Alasdair Beattie gone too

[RVclaret]

And you constantly defending them is based on what?

Providing a balance is a better way to put it. And it’s based on all the facts at hand, Pace’s communication (see latest Lancs Live piece for example), my own financial forecasts and a bit of good old faith.

[Blakesboots]

Blakesboots… if you are connected to ALK…. Can you pass a
Message on to stop destabilising the club by breaking the foundations , whilst distracting fans with cosmetic, faddy, 101 football club 101 shite. Cheers.

Will do 🫡

[taio]

Providing a balance is a better way to put it. And it’s based on all the facts at hand, Pace’s communication (see latest Lancs Live piece for example), my own financial forecasts and a bit of good old faith.

Fair enough. I couldn't give a toss what he communicates. I'm fundamentally against the concept of leverage buy out in football for clubs our size and the high risks of securing large sums of debt against the club. These are far more important factors than whatever PR he uses.

But may be I'm exaggerating the risks. Can you share your own financial forecasts, including one based on being relegated and not returning to the Premier League prior to expiry of parachute payments?

[IanMcL]

I would have thought if SD and team were going to jump ship, I would doubt myself it would have been a mass exodus without giving senior management the heads up, just wouldn't see him being that sort of person. Why he was sacked is anybody's guess at the moment and there seems to be a lot of guessing at the moment.
As for Beattie maybe he went to Pace and said he wasn't impressed with the sacking and then told to walk, speculation?

The only way they would look elsewhere, after just signing a contract, is if promises have been broken.

[RVclaret]

Our financial position is significantly worse after relegation

1) Because we lose £100 million TV money

2) A substantial chunk of the funds Burnley had in reserve were used to finance the take over

I mean, our financial position is going to be a lot worse. How positive are you about our financial position based on that?

1) Same for any club that goes down. Relegation was always a possibility for us. ALK literally took over the club when we were a few months away from potential relegation during a time with huge income losses to covid. We still receive more than enough TV money over the next three seasons to cover expenses and have decent playing assets to sell. My forecasts suggests we’d have a very decent budget to re invest in the squad. Hence I’m praying they make a good managerial appointment who can do the rebuild, sign younger players who then can be resold down the years for profits.

2) We don’t know how much of the clubs owns funds were used or how it has been used. Let’s see what the accounts show. Several posters have suggested only a small portion would have been used.

[Lancasterclaret]

Providing a balance is a better way to put it. And it’s based on all the facts at hand, Pace’s communication (see latest Lancs Live piece for example), my own financial forecasts and a bit of good old faith.

Your own financial forecasts?

What, based on what exactly?

I can read a balance sheet, and its not good if we go down, at all

Am I reading it wrong?

[ClaretTony]

turns out CT was correct, head physio gone. 12 years of service to the club and booted out the backdoor without even a mention.... poor do is that

Totally separate to the rest going but to treat someone the way they have Beattie with not even a mention sums up what a terrible club we are becoming.

And yes, CT is correct. I wouldn’t have posted it otherwise. I couldn’t name him initially though.

[Bosna]

Totally separate to the rest going but to treat someone the way they have Beattie with not even a mention sums up what a terrible club we are becoming.

And yes, CT is correct. I wouldn’t have posted it otherwise. I couldn’t name him initially though.

Sums up what a terrible website this is becoming.

[Tribesmen]

Well this is different for a Sunday morning as not sure what to believe , ohhhh anyone knows who shot JFK ?

[DCWat]

Sums up what a terrible website this is becoming.

Why do you come to that conclusion, from that post?

[aggi]

Except you don’t get compensation for sacked staff. It’s one of the weakest bits of info currently doing the rounds.

Either that, or the owners are even more clueless than first impressions.

Well that depends on the terms of the severance agreement.

I guess the scenario would be that Dyche has informed the board that he would be taking the Everton job next year and they are concerned about the conflict of interest.

It seems an unlikely scenario though.

[Papabendi]

Totally separate to the rest going but to treat someone the way they have Beattie with not even a mention sums up what a terrible club we are becoming.

And yes, CT is correct. I wouldn’t have posted it otherwise. I couldn’t name him initially though.

Worrying when the third person stuff starts creeping in.

[Roosterbooster]

I can see a club like Southampton going for them. I can’t imagine their manager staying for too much longer

Even with recent results, and previous 9-0 losses, RH is very well thought of at Southampton. Their chief exec was on MNC a while back, and hinted that if anyone were to take over it would be TF at Brentford. As he's now at a PL side who will survive, then this appointment is a no go. Even so, they are very happy with RH, and see him as a good fit. They are safe, sustainable, and have a good community club.

[ClaretPete001]

I think Dyche is better thought of than we give credit. He has cultivated influential relationships with a number of top current and past managers over the years. He’s a bright man, and invested in himself.

Don’t be fooled, Dyche is pragmatic, he developed a system that worked for the tools he had. It’s gone stale because he couldn’t refresh the squad with the newer tools he wanted.

Ferguson was the same mold, although he had the backing and means to refresh and reinvent. The message stayed the same from start to finish.

He needs a job to help him springboard up the league (Everton/Aston Villa/Leicester) and then he will get a top six job.

He will be England Manger one day.

American spellings of English words and eerily corporate language....!

Anyway, to address the thread I don't think clubs sack Physios 8 games from the end of the season because they maybe thinking of leaving.

[Stayingup]

I don’t drink so it’ll have to be a coffee, but happily

Medical or religious reasons - no beer!!!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The only way they would look elsewhere, after just signing a contract, is if promises have been broken.

Nah, some managers get their heads turned, Silva when he was at Watford is a prime example.

[Blakesboots]

Medical or religious reasons - no beer!!!

Personal preference.

[Mala591]

Another scenario could be, Pace had SD’s replacement lined up prior to sacking and he wants to bring his entire backroom staff with him, including physio.

That’s exactly what I thought:

‘I’ll join you Alan but only on the condition that my full support team come as well.’

[Blakesboots]

Well this is different for a Sunday morning as not sure what to believe , ohhhh anyone knows who shot JFK ?

The truth is out there.

[Murger]

The truth is out there.

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[Stevie Morgan]

The truth is out there.

Blakesboots = marlonspants

[DCWat]

That’s exactly what I thought:

‘I’ll join you Alan but only on the condition that my full support team come as well.’

If I had to take a punt; on one position being that they’ve got a plan in place and the other that there’s no plan in place, I’d opt for the latter. The timing doesn’t suggest anything like a planned strategy.

For owners wanting to come in and transform our club, they’ve done a mightily good job of alienating people and losing goodwill.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Pace and Venkys in plan to sell both grounds and build new facility between Burnley and Blackburn and share it a la AC and Inter Milan. Dyche not on board so gets potted.

[DCWat]

Pace and Venkys in plan to sell both grounds and build new facility between Burnley and Blackburn and share it a la AC and Inter Milan. Dyche not on board so gets potted.

They’d be more likely to suggest a merger of the two teams!

[Mala591]

Pace and Venkys in plan to sell both grounds and build new facility between Burnley and Blackburn and share it a la AC and Inter Milan. Dyche not on board so gets potted.

That would be Burnburn FC or Blackley FC

[Conroysleftfoot]

They’d be more likely to suggest a merger of the two teams!

Burnley Rovers anyone.

[Stayingup]

Don't think you will see a clamour from any other clubs supporters

Oh and do you imagine the likes of Gary Neville whose comments on subjects ranging from football to politics and are seemingly ubiquutous is liked by fans of 'other' clubs. Meaning other than Man U and Salford City. It may surprise you to know that Sean Dyche is highly regarded by many football followers. I see and hear this on my travels from supporters of other clubs.

[Devils_Advocate]

When Funtime Frankie comes back with a new account he doesn't do it by halves. Mind you if I knew I would only last a week or two max Id probably milk it too.

[Lowbankclaret]

Whilst there is law to protect employees, there’s very few enacted laws in football. Due to the nature of the role exits and terms are built into contracts.

The club has a good reason to sack Dyche.

I was talking about sacking the physio!

[Blakesboots]

Blakesboots = marlonspants

Marlonspants < ablueclaret

[paulatky]

Blakesboots wrote: ↑
Whilst there is law to protect employees, there’s very few enacted laws in football. Due to the nature of the role exits and terms are built into contracts.

The club has a good reason to sack Dyche.


If that reason wasn’t results based , please spill the beans Alan

[Boss Hogg]

Blakesboots… if you are connected to ALK…. Can you pass a
Message on to stop destabilising the club by breaking the foundations , whilst distracting fans with cosmetic, faddy, 101 football club 101 shite. Cheers.

What foundations have been broken ?

[Blakesboots]

What foundations have been broken ?

Change is attritional to the fan base. As much as it disenfranchises some, it attracts others.

[Blakesboots]

Blakesboots wrote: ↑
Whilst there is law to protect employees, there’s very few enacted laws in football. Due to the nature of the role exits and terms are built into contracts.

The club has a good reason to sack Dyche.


If that reason wasn’t results based , please spill the beans Alan

Read the rest of the board bud. It’s all there to piece together.

[KRBFC]

Even with recent results, and previous 9-0 losses, RH is very well thought of at Southampton. Their chief exec was on MNC a while back, and hinted that if anyone were to take over it would be TF at Brentford. As he's now at a PL side who will survive, then this appointment is a no go. Even so, they are very happy with RH, and see him as a good fit. They are safe, sustainable, and have a good community club.

Ralph has said he's leaving soon, maybe it was end of this season? pretty sure he planned on retiring.

Edit, it was in 2024, retiring at end of his contract, so a while yet.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-26171421

[Chester Perry]

It’s serviceable. I wouldn’t worry, we owe money to friends not to HMRC.

hmmm

owing money to friends comes with perhaps greater obligations if you have anything about you in both English and American cultures

If those friends were the sellers, i.e. new friends - A good friend would pay them on time, even relinquish some of their other assets which they most likely have acquired in their successful lives so far, to ensure they do - one renegotiation of the payment schedule is acceptable, two begins to look disingenuous. By all accounts there is a rather large payment due this summer, are you proposing that does not have to be now be paid on time.

I am not sure what relationship the club's administration have with the partners of MSD UK Holdings Limited (Robert Piatek, John Licciardello and Marcello Liguori) or it's very much more secretive parent MSD UK Holdings Ltd. That organisation has obligations to meet on the TISE loan markets in Guernsey, following the offsetting of the loan to Calder Vale Holdings Limited, that we are now told lies with the club in the Offer Letter to the small Shareholders. Which is why the club is paying between £5m and £6m a year in interest. I also ponder will the club have to reduce the size of the loan upon relegation (as has been confirmed with another MSD Loan to a Premier League Club). If that is the case do the current administration envisage meeting the commitment themselves (as promised in the Offer Letter) or are they going to rely on the agreements with the Sellers to buy back enough shares to cover the commitment because the current administration has failed in it's primary aim of finding new investment (again as outlined in the Offer Letter).

If you think these are the actions of friends then it is probable that the circle of friends the current administration has is going to start diminishing rather rapidly

[paulatky]

Read the rest of the board bud. It’s all there to piece together.

Well I for one don’t believe the Everton rumours and if it was because of breakdown of the relationship between the players and Woan/Stone why on Friday when that has been brewing for some time.

To me it smells of panic by AP in a desperate bid to save his financial model.

Only time will tell

[spt_claret]

Read the rest of the board bud. It’s all there to piece together.

No. Unsourced, uncorroborated, entirely unproven rumours are there which you can only evidence by "there's silence so it must be true and terms of an NDA".

You are using lack of evidence, AS evidence.

NDA agreements can just as easily be used to create suspicion and the impression of misconduct, as they can cover it up. Especially in the social media rumour mill age, where any old div can say anything and if bound by an NDA it can be neither confirmed OR denied. Something that I have no doubt Wall Street is well aware of.

You're asking us to trust internet hearsay that flatters a Wall Street executive with little info on his career beyond high profile titles at troubled institutions, who has already failed to fulfill promises of finding investment at Burnley and shattered our financial security....and to trust this over 9 1/2 years of evidence about Dyche's character.

Onus is on you to prove this rather than keep fanning the flames of rumours, otherwise it's reasonable and rational for people to not believe you.

[Roosterbooster]

Seems like there are 2 main theories for Beattie going

1. He was part of the Jump-ship-to-Everton pact (I still can't believe this theory, as Everton and Dyche would be creating such a conflict of interest that they would run the risk of automatic relegation, and maybe even a points deduction for next season. And a suspension for Dyche from the game)
2. A new manager wanted his own physio (I've seen no evidence whatsoever that we have any manager lined up)

Maybe Dyche has said he will take him with him if he gets another job, and it's likely to be a step up, so he gave an ultimatum??

I'm not sure though. There's a lot of weirdness around it all. The timing. The lack of manager lined up. The Everton rumours. The fact people have said players were not surprised, and that some are happy. The lack of reaction. Strange times

[KRBFC]

hmmm

owing money to friends comes with perhaps greater obligations if you have anything about you in both English and American cultures

If those friends were the sellers, i.e. new friends - A good friend would pay them on time, even relinquish some of their other assets which they most likely have acquired in their successful lives so far, to ensure they do - one renegotiation of the payment schedule is acceptable, two begins to look disingenuous. By all accounts there is a rather large payment due this summer, are you proposing that does not have to be now be paid on time.

I am not sure what relationship the club's administration have with the partners of MSD UK Holdings Limited (Robert Piatek, John Licciardello and Marcello Liguori) or it's very much more secretive parent MSD UK Holdings Ltd. That organisation has obligations to meet on the TISE loan markets in Guernsey, following the offsetting of the loan to Calder Vale Holdings Limited, that we are now told lies with the club in the Offer Letter to the small Shareholders. Which is why the club is paying between £5m and £6m a year in interest. I also ponder will the club have to reduce the size of the loan upon relegation (as has been confirmed with another MSD Loan to a Premier League Club). If that is the case do the current administration envisage meeting the commitment themselves (as promised in the Offer Letter) or are they going to rely on the agreements with the Sellers to buy back enough shares to cover the commitment because the current administration has failed in it's primary aim of finding new investment (again as outlined in the Offer Letter).

If you think these are the actions of friends then it is probable that the circle of friends the current administration has is going to start diminishing rather rapidly

We're going to bring money in from player sales but surely that money will go towards debts rather than the transfer budget like posters seem to think? Would be an almighty gamble to spunk that money on transfers and hope to find funds from somewhere further down the line for the debts.

[Chester Perry]

Burnley Rovers anyone.

lots of flippant comments (even clever ones like this about a new stadium linking up with that lot down the road - just remember our club owns land off J9 of the M65 between us and that lot down the road

[paulatky]

hmmm

owing money to friends comes with perhaps greater obligations if you have anything about you in both English and American cultures

If those friends were the sellers, i.e. new friends - A good friend would pay them on time, even relinquish some of their other assets which they most likely have acquired in their successful lives so far, to ensure they do - one renegotiation of the payment schedule is acceptable, two begins to look disingenuous. By all accounts there is a rather large payment due this summer, are you proposing that does not have to be now be paid on time.

I am not sure what relationship the club's administration have with the partners of MSD UK Holdings Limited (Robert Piatek, John Licciardello and Marcello Liguori) or it's very much more secretive parent MSD UK Holdings Ltd. That organisation has obligations to meet on the TISE loan markets in Guernsey, following the offsetting of the loan to Calder Vale Holdings Limited, that we are now told lies with the club in the Offer Letter to the small Shareholders. Which is why the club is paying between £5m and £6m a year in interest. I also ponder will the club have to reduce the size of the loan upon relegation (as has been confirmed with another MSD Loan to a Premier League Club). If that is the case do the current administration envisage meeting the commitment themselves (as promised in the Offer Letter) or are they going to rely on the agreements with the Sellers to buy back enough shares to cover the commitment because the current administration has failed in it's primary aim of finding new investment (again as outlined in the Offer Letter).

If you think these are the actions of friends then it is probable that the circle of friends the current administration has is going to start diminishing rather rapidly

I look forward to Alan’s response oops I mean BlakesBoots response

[Lowbankclaret]

Blakesboots… if you are connected to ALK…. Can you pass a
Message on to stop destabilising the club by breaking the foundations , whilst distracting fans with cosmetic, faddy, 101 football club 101 shite. Cheers.

Within a few posts I was getting suspicious.
Checked when they joined and it was two days ago and already posting lots of comments and I will say strong comments for a first time poster, hence my post saying if I was a betting man I would say they were involved with the owners.

As might go as far to say they maybe be paid to post, they are that active.

[spt_claret]

lots of flippant comments (even clever ones like this about a new stadium linking up with that lot down the road - just remember our club owns land off J9 of the M65 between us and that lot down the road

You can't possibly be implying there might be something in that? Forum joke/bad rumour surely?

[paulatky]

Within a few posts I was getting suspicious.
Checked when they joined and it was two days ago and already posting lots of comments and I will say strong comments for a first time poster, hence my post saying if I was a betting man I would say they were involved with the owners.

As might go as far to say they maybe be paid to post, they are that active.

Is that what is called a social media influencer

Will be interesting to see his reply to CP

[Chester Perry]

We're going to bring money in from player sales but surely that money will go towards debts rather than the transfer budget like posters seem to think? Would be an almighty gamble to spunk that money on transfers and hope to find funds from somewhere further down the line for the debts.

The monies I am talking about (and some I haven't yet mentioned) potentially come to over £70m by late June - can we raise that much in player sales by that date?

[Chester Perry]

You can't possibly be implying there might be something in that? Forum joke/bad rumour surely?

not at all - but modern football is a strange old world and I generally do not like tempting fate

[paulatky]

The monies I am talking about (and some I haven't yet mentioned) potentially come to over £70m by late June - can we raise that much in player sales by that date?

Over to Alan, oops I forgot BlakesBoots !!

[Blakesboots]

No. Unsourced, uncorroborated, entirely unproven rumours are there which you can only evidence by "there's silence so it must be true and terms of an NDA".

You are using lack of evidence, AS evidence.

NDA agreements can just as easily be used to create suspicion and the impression of misconduct, as they can cover it up. Especially in the social media rumour mill age, where any old div can say anything and if bound by an NDA it can be neither confirmed OR denied. Something that I have no doubt Wall Street is well aware of.

You're asking us to trust internet hearsay that flatters a Wall Street executive with little info on his career beyond high profile titles at troubled institutions, who has already failed to fulfill promises of finding investment at Burnley and shattered our financial security....and to trust this over 9 1/2 years of evidence about Dyche's character.

Onus is on you to prove this rather than keep fanning the flames of rumours, otherwise it's reasonable and rational for people to not believe you.

I’ve not asked people to believe me. I’ve said nothing other than imo the club/chairman had every reason to sack Dyche once the lines had been drawn in the sand around recent events.

Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions using the evidence, or lack of it that is present on the message board and in the media domain.

Brand Dyche hasn’t been without controversy and incident in that 9 1/2 years. He’s been an amazing appointment for the club and made some lifelong changes that will serve the club well, but there have been other legacies that aren’t so well thought of.

To address your NDA point, there’s no proof there is one, just speculation and belief that there will be one and this is the reasoning behind the silence from both sides. If you breach an NDA that you’re bound by, you’re in court so any old div can’t just say what they want. Wall Street will be very aware of that.

I take your point about the lack of tangible evidence to hand as evidence. What’s your take on it then? That this is a knee jerk results driven decision?

I think of you look at the contributions of the senior board members you can start to see the evidence creep out.

[spt_claret]

I’ve not asked people to believe me. I’ve said nothing other than imo the club/chairman had every reason to sack Dyche once the lines had been drawn in the sand around recent events.

Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions using the evidence, or lack of it that is present on the message board and in the media domain.

Brand Dyche hasn’t been without controversy and incident in that 9 1/2 years. He’s been an amazing appointment for the club and made some lifelong changes that will serve the club well, but there have been other legacies that aren’t so well thought of.

To address your NDA point, there’s no proof there is one, just speculation and belief that there will be one and this is the reasoning behind the silence from both sides. If you breach an NDA that you’re bound by, you’re in court so any old div can’t just say what they want. Wall Street will be very aware of that.

I take your point about the lack of tangible evidence to hand as evidence. What’s your take on it then? That this is a knee jerk results driven decision?

I think of you look at the contributions of the senior board members you can start to see the evidence creep out.

You keep implying all sorts without saying or proving anything. It's very disingenuous. You are relying on implying just enough without saying to nudge people towards drawing their own sinister conclusions.

You'll find I said any old div can spread rumours. Don't have to be bound by an NDA to do that. If they're lies, those rumours by nature don't breach the NDA, but you can't then correct the record without breaching the NDA.

My take on it is the two had many clashes and something led to a final straw or ultimatum. I suspect more likely it was regarding investment, and possibly playing style/selection demands.

Or that frankly, Pace is an idiot who panicked, delayed, then made a snap decision.

Or one of several far more untoward motives which I won't put forward as I have no desire to slander anyone especially on things I judge to be unlikely. Unlike you, apparently.

The senior members whose judgment or track record I respect drastically clashes with your implications.