ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by RVclaret » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:02 pm
I was hoping we'd bring in Zirkzee and Vrioni from Bayern and Juve for small fees. Vrioni was on absolute fire in the Austrian League, big future.
Long time till the season starts, let’s see who he goes for. My shout would be Delap at City.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:07 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:05 pm
Long time till the season starts, let’s see who he goes for. My shout would be Delap at City.
was hoping we'd freshen it up with youth, retaining 3 hoofball old washed up strikers kinda goes against that.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by IanMcL » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:07 pm

Really good news. That's a couple signed. Just a manager, asst, few coaches and tge rest of the squad, in the next couple of weeks!

Great to have Barnes in the mix. Proper Claret!
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by RVclaret » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:07 pm
was hoping we'd freshen it up with youth, retaining 3 hoofball old washed up strikers kinda goes against that.
I wouldn’t say Vydra and Rodriguez are hoofball. In fact, whenever both were in the team together, arguably we played some of our best football, it was definitely more on the deck than with others.

And don’t forget, there needs to be a balance with how many new players we sign as it’s unlikely we’ll be splashing.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:10 pm

I think it’s great news, Jay , Vydra, and Barnes. Better than the old days with one striker we sold each Jan window.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by cockneyclaret » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:22 pm

Barnes must be pinching himself!
Never in a million years did he expect that! Was probably waiting for the league 1 clubs to contact his agent
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by bfcjg » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:26 pm

Nothing we can do about the deal, however he has a Claret shirt and as with all players gets 100% backing.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by cockneyclaret » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:30 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:26 pm
Nothing we can do about the deal, however he has a Claret shirt and as with all players gets 100% backing.
110% :D it is what it is.. strange but I'll be behind him regardless

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Jamesy » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:35 pm

Another season of sh!t housing then. This time in the Championship. I cannot fault his effort and desire but he isn’t the future in my view. Hopefully he has taken a significant drop in salary and is to be used as cover.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by gtclaret » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:37 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:22 pm
Barnes must be pinching himself!
Never in a million years did he expect that! Was probably waiting for the league 1 clubs to contact his agent
He was expecting to leave

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Jamesy » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:49 pm

shulgin wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:13 pm
I like Barnes but he should have been binned off after his drink drive matter.
Why? Even Police chiefs have kept their jobs after being caught drink driving.
I don’t approve of drink driving in any way shape or form, however you cannot just bin someone for getting convicted for it if it isn’t part of his job description to drive a car.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:05 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:49 pm
Why? Even Police chiefs have kept their jobs after being caught drink driving.
I don’t approve of drink driving in any way shape or form, however you cannot just bin someone for getting convicted for it if it isn’t part of his job description to drive a car.
Waits for the ‘role model’ replies….

:lol:

I agree btw

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by KlyBfc » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:45 pm
It's a slight misconception, Barnes has spent a lot more seasons and games as a PL player than in the Championship.
He’s still been involved in 7 championship seasons / campaigns in his career so he knows the championship.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:30 pm

KlyBfc wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:19 pm
He’s still been involved in 7 championship seasons / campaigns in his career so he knows the championship.
He does and more importantly he knows what it takes to get out of the Championship, and it is only a year, so as long as we buy or promote a younger striker then it does make sense to retain Ash and Jay's knowledge at this level.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:30 pm

KlyBfc wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:19 pm
He’s still been involved in 7 championship seasons / campaigns in his career so he knows the championship.
Yes, starting about 15 years ago when he played 0 games for Plymouth.
Not disagreeing that he's played a fair number of games (150ish) at 2nd tier, but it was a while ago.
Not sure he's any sort of model or tutor as to how to play there now.
much as I really like Ashley Barnes I doubt his ability to endure an active season at this level.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by appleton » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:40 pm

What's not to like with a choice of from at least three strikers? Can't remember many championship seasons when we had such a luxury.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Elizabeth » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:45 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:10 pm
I think it’s great news, Jay , Vydra, and Barnes. Better than the old days with one striker we sold each Jan window.
We won't see Vydra until it's too late.
Barnes will only score if we get a penalty and that's if Jay is not on the pitch
Jay will pick up an injury at some stage .

This recipe is a disaster waiting to happen

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Boss Hogg » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:46 pm

If we had no choice then ok. But not what we need now. I think J Rod will be ok in the champ though he just wasnt up to PL standard anymore.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:28 pm

I don't see him featuring much under a new manager. I'd like to think Lewis Richardson will be involved with the first team squad if he can get fit.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Papabendi » Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:54 pm

Barnes being renewed+ optimism rather depends on where you think we will finish next season.

He's clearly taken a wage cut, thinks he has no better option, and I think we can expect minimal output at a level where dark arts rather than skill will not be a huge surprise.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Pickles » Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:09 pm

Fair play to him, he's tenacious, puts it about a bit, probably good in the dressing room. But hasn't been good enough for at least two years. I know it's a drop in standard to the Championship but it'd need to be some drop for his goalless flopping about to be much use to us.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Papabendi » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:19 am

Stephens good in the dressing room by all accounts

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:27 am

My prediction is that he will barely be involved and may even go out on loan.

Remember, if it’s based on nothing other than it being an automatic renewal due to games played, the club had no say in this. Kompany wants pace and mobility in his forward line (as I posted a quote from him recently stating just that), I really don’t see Ash fitting that profile - nor Weghorst for that matter.

I can see Kompany seeking two strikers considering Vydra is out injured too. Maybe a loan and a permanent, no idea what the calibre of strikers at Anderlecht are like?

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:30 am

Papabendi wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:19 am
Stephens good in the dressing room by all accounts
Pardon?

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by fatboy47 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:36 am

Barnes, with the understandable lack of interest from elsewhere, resigns himself to a final season at Burnley.

If he figures significantly on the pitch we're probably in trouble.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by FeedTheArf » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:39 am

Something doesn’t quite add up with this. Before the last game of the season Barnes said something along the lines of a conversation was needed with the board about his future. If the contract was an auto renewal Barnes already knew he was staying, in which case why the need for the conversation? Unless it was about potentially paying him out the additional 12 months?

Personally pleased he’s sticking around for another season. Much rather have someone with a bit of passion and fight than Weghorst.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:01 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:45 pm
We won't see Vydra until it's too late.
Barnes will only score if we get a penalty and that's if Jay is not on the pitch
Jay will pick up an injury at some stage .

This recipe is a disaster waiting to happen
Well I disagree.
The defenders are slower, less savvy and not as good by a long way compared To the premiership.

The goalkeepers are no where near as good.

They will score goals, no idea where you pluck the Jay will get injured, he is not gudmonson.

We have no idea when Vydra will be fit, no one has any idea on what surgery he has had.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:11 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:19 am
Stephens good in the dressing room by all accounts
Why, does he get the beers in? :D

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:14 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:01 pm
Well I disagree.
The defenders are slower, less savvy and not as good by a long way compared To the premiership.

The goalkeepers are no where near as good.

They will score goals, no idea where you pluck the Jay will get injured, he is not gudmonson.

We have no idea when Vydra will be fit, no one has any idea on what surgery he has had.
How many goals do you think? I can’t see any of the three getting close to 20.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:16 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:01 pm
Well I disagree.
The defenders are slower, less savvy and not as good by a long way compared To the premiership.

The goalkeepers are no where near as good.

They will score goals, no idea where you pluck the Jay will get injured, he is not gudmonson.

We have no idea when Vydra will be fit, no one has any idea on what surgery he has had.
The defenders also tend to be more physical, so they'll be perfectly happy to wrestle with Barnes for 90 minutes. He always looks less effective if he's up against a big strong lad who he can't niggle/bully.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:19 pm

Well I can.

60 goals for normally gets you in the top 6.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:23 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:19 pm
Well I can.

60 goals for normally gets you in the top 6.
You think them three strikers will get 60 goals this season?

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by tarkys_ears » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:28 pm

All's I'll ask is how many of those who slag Barnes off for anything he does are the same ones berating people and telling them to "get behind the team" when they say anything?

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:30 pm

Jay in his season in a championship got 22 goals.
Barnes about 6 but got more n the prem so seems unusual.
Vydra got 22 as well.

Your being way to hard on them. If we give them the service they will easily score 20 a season.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:33 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:30 pm
Jay in his season in a championship got 22 goals.
Barnes about 6 but got more n the prem so seems unusual.
Vydra got 22 as well.

Your being way to hard on them. If we give them the service they will easily score 20 a season.
I can’t tell if your being serious or not.

Jay was 28 in his last championship season at the peak of his abilities.

Ashley Barnes is 33 a month or two into the season

Vydra is out for the foreseeable.

It’s unlikely they will get 30 goals between them.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:18 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:33 pm
I can’t tell if your being serious or not.

Jay was 28 in his last championship season at the peak of his abilities.

Ashley Barnes is 33 a month or two into the season

Vydra is out for the foreseeable.

It’s unlikely they will get 30 goals between them.
I will give £100 to charity if they get less than 50, you give £100 if they get more.

Willing to put money to your thoughts??

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:15 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:30 pm
Jay in his season in a championship got 22 goals.
Barnes about 6 but got more n the prem so seems unusual.
Vydra got 22 as well.

Your being way to hard on them. If we give them the service they will easily score 20 a season.
Only 3 teams scored more than 64 goals last season in the Championship - Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest, so the chances of any team having 3 players who score + 50 between them must be remote.
Added to that, we don't know when or if Vydra will be able to feature, Barnes hasn't scored in open play for Burnley since February 2021, and Rodriguez has only scored 3 PL goals over the past 2 seasons, (and both are a year older), so it seems pretty unlikely to me that they will be prolific next season.

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:18 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:15 pm
Only 3 teams scored more than 64 goals last season in the Championship - Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest, so the chances of any team having 3 players who score + 50 between them must be remote.
Added to that, we don't know when or if Vydra will be able to feature, Barnes hasn't scored in open play for Burnley since February 2021, and Rodriguez has only scored 3 PL goals over the past 2 seasons, (and both are a year older), so it seems pretty unlikely to me that they will be prolific next season.
Have you watched any Championship football recently, the standard is way lower than when we were there last. Yes I think they will be prolific next season if we give them service.
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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by RVclaret » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:02 pm

Talk in this thread was that the option for the extra year was in Barnes’ favour, I think CT was certain of this.

However, this quote from Barnes yesterday suggests it was the other way round:

"Once the Club took up the option, I was delighted to get back here and get this new adventure underway.”

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Re: ARTICLE: Barnes extends Burnley stay

Post by RVclaret » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:06 pm

Apologies, not in Barnes’ favour, but more an automatic thing rather than a choice.

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