Tarkowski to Everton

[alwaysaclaret]

Do you disagree - in your opinion which outfield player has been better?

I do disagree, although he's had good spells, for instance he's had a decent end to the season, but had some catching up to do because he didn't have a good start imo, at times he's lost us games because he's dropped clangers. But different players have been voted player of the season during tarkowskis time at the club, so he's arguably not been our best player. I've said on other threads, Ben mee has made tarkowski look good and on many occasions has made up for tarkowski lack of pace, so consequently I'm much more concerned to be losing Ben mee, he's the one we've missed badly and arguably would still be a premier league team but for him being injured, he was the one that was much harder to replace when out injured, because tarkowski might have been lots of things but he certainly wasn't a left sided cb, for instance we wouldn't have lost at Brentford had Ben mee been playing, for example tarkowski being injured and Collins replacing him.

[alwaysaclaret]

I do disagree, although he's had good spells, for instance he's had a decent end to the season, but had some catching up to do because he didn't have a good start imo, at times he's lost us games because he's dropped clangers. But different players have been voted player of the season during tarkowskis time at the club, so he's arguably not been our best player. I've said on other threads, Ben mee has made tarkowski look good and on many occasions has made up for tarkowski lack of pace, so consequently I'm much more concerned to be losing Ben mee, he's the one we've missed badly and arguably would still be a premier league team but for him being injured, he was the one that was much harder to replace when out injured, because tarkowski might have been lots of things but he certainly wasn't a left sided cb, for instance we wouldn't have lost at Brentford had Ben mee been playing, for example tarkowski being injured and Collins replacing him.

Ben mee made up for he's lack of pace by getting a block in on most occasions, but it worked most of the time as a partnership.

[taio]

I do disagree, although he's had good spells, for instance he's had a decent end to the season, but had some catching up to do because he didn't have a good start imo, at times he's lost us games because he's dropped clangers. But different players have been voted player of the season during tarkowskis time at the club, so he's arguably not been our best player. I've said on other threads, Ben mee has made tarkowski look good and on many occasions has made up for tarkowski lack of pace, so consequently I'm much more concerned to be losing Ben mee, he's the one we've missed badly and arguably would still be a premier league team but for him being injured, he was the one that was much harder to replace when out injured, because tarkowski might have been lots of things but he certainly wasn't a left sided cb, for instance we wouldn't have lost at Brentford had Ben mee been playing, for example tarkowski being injured and Collins replacing him.

I agree that Mee has also been brilliant for us. But Tarkowski has been consistently better, has won player of the season on here for the last four seasons and has been outstanding without Mee as proven last season.

[alwaysaclaret]

I agree that Mee has also been brilliant for us. But Tarkowski has been consistently better, has won player of the season on here for the last four seasons and has been outstanding without Mee as proven last season.

That's fair comment, but I believe we've missed Ben mee when out injured far more than tarkowski. Just back to the Brentford game, Tarkowski was dragged over to his more natural right hand side when in the lcb slot, which left Collins as the fall guy and was behind the reason for him giving the penalty away I believe, "but had been happening all game" because he was left chasing back to the position tarkowski had just vacated, hence my reason for saying he certainly wasn't a left sided centre back.

[taio]

That's fair comment, but I believe we've missed Ben mee when out injured far more than tarkowski. Just back to the Brentford game, Tarkowski was dragged over to his more natural right hand side when in the lcb slot, which left Collins as the fall guy and was behind the reason for him giving the penalty away I believe, "but had been happening all game" because he was left chasing back to the position tarkowski had just vacated, hence my reason for saying he certainly wasn't a left sided centre back.

He's played LCB on numerous occasions and again has been outstanding. But best to judge him on his natural position and he has been even better. Consistently our best player season after season although I agree Mee has been superb too...just not as good as Tarkowski.

[Steve1956]

Tarkowski will go down in history as one of our greatest ever servants
Good Luck Tarky..all the best & thanks.

[Rileybobs]

If Tarkowski is the elite player some are suggesting, the player who should be a shoo-in for the England side, why is his best offer, as a free transfer, from the team that finished 16th.

Tarkowski was absolutely brilliant for us and he’s undoubtedly one of the best players I’ve seen in a Burnley shirt. But there’s a difference between playing for Burnley and England. Recruitment staff involved with the top teams, and those involved with selection for England will be privy to a whole host of data that us mere mortals aren’t. So the idea that they’re missing something that some of you aren’t is laughable.

[taio]

If Tarkowski is the elite player some are suggesting, the player who should be a shoo-in for the England side, why is his best offer, as a free transfer, from the team that finished 16th.

Tarkowski was absolutely brilliant for us and he’s undoubtedly one of the best players I’ve seen in a Burnley shirt. But there’s a difference between playing for Burnley and England. Recruitment staff involved with the top teams, and those involved with selection for England will be privy to a whole host of data that us mere mortals aren’t. So the idea that they’re missing something that some of you aren’t is laughable.

If he had performed the same for a bigger club he would've been in the England squad. I guess he's been in close contention for England selection on numerous occasions so he's not that far off.

[Rileybobs]

If he had performed the same for a bigger club he would've been in the England squad. I guess he's been in close contention for England selection on numerous occasions so he's not that far off.

Agreed. But like I said, it’s a lot different putting in those performances for one of the elite clubs. Tarkowski may be able to play at that level, but he hasn’t proven he can - and it doesn’t seem like any of the top clubs think he can either.

[Quicknick]

It could be that both Tarkowski and Mee have both played the best football of their careers. Leaving Burnley isn't always a good move... apart from the money, of course.

[taio]

Agreed. But like I said, it’s a lot different putting in those performances for one of the elite clubs. Tarkowski may be able to play at that level, but he hasn’t proven he can - and it doesn’t seem like any of the top clubs think he can either.

Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, Aston Villa all heavily linked with him and are big clubs. Not sure he should be judged because the elite clubs aren't, especially as there are players in the England squad from such clubs.

[Rileybobs]

Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, Aston Villa all heavily linked with him and are big clubs. Not sure he should be judged because the elite clubs aren't, especially as there are players in the England squad from such clubs.

No idea how much substance there is to any of those links. But if he ends up at the 16th best team in the Premier League, on a free transfer, it would suggest that the professionals at the best clubs don’t rate Tarkowski as much as some of our fans.

He’s a great player, but playing well for Burnley doesn’t automatically make him good enough to play in a completely different system for England.

[taio]

No idea how much substance there is to any of those links. But if he ends up at the 16th best team in the Premier League, on a free transfer, it would suggest that the professionals at the best clubs don’t rate Tarkowski as much as some of our fans.

He’s a great player, but playing well for Burnley doesn’t automatically make him good enough to play in a completely different system for England.

He's got plenty of options by the sounds of it. Everton were shite last season but not typically a 16th best club. There's plenty of substance about the other clubs like West Ham, Villa, Newcastle, Leicester. Indeed two of them bid £35m for him not too long ago.

[jrgbfc]

They were both very well protected by our setup under Dyche as well. They won't have the same luxury elsewhere.

[alwaysaclaret]

He's played LCB on numerous occasions and again has been outstanding. But best to judge him on his natural position and he has been even better. Consistently our best player season after season although I agree Mee has been superb too...just not as good as Tarkowski.

Tarkowski was no better than average in my opinion without Ben mee, and was never comfortable in the left cb role, that's not to say that mee would have been comfortable on the right, but he was definitely harder to replace. I just don't get that tarkowski was world class in somes eye's, not in mine, but just my opinion. Which of course we're all entitled to, utc's. Hope we can find 2 that gel as well but with a bit better in front of them maybe.

[taio]

Tarkowski was no better than average in my opinion without Ben mee, and was never comfortable in the left cb role, that's not to say that mee would have been comfortable on the right, but he was definitely harder to replace. I just don't get that tarkowski was world class in somes eye's, not in mine, but just my opinion. Which of course we're all entitled to, utc's. Hope we can find 2 that gel as well but with a bit better in front of them maybe.

I have never and will never claim he's world class and I don't think anyone on here has suggested that either. But I do think he's one of our best defenders for decades. Of course it's all about opinions but suggesting he was average without Mee is quite frankly preposterous.

[AfloatinClaret]

They were both very well protected by our setup under Dyche as well. They won't have the same luxury elsewhere.

I've long suspected that this explains why Michael Keane never improved and has perhaps gone backwards since leaving Burnley.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I've long suspected that this explains why Michael Keane never improved and has perhaps gone backwards since leaving Burnley.

He hasn't gone backwards at Everton, he's still averaging match ratings of 6-7 across a season, similar to Mee and Tarks.
He's had 8 different managers Inc caretakers since he signed for them, each has their own style and by their owners own admission they've spent a lot of money on players that weren't up to the job.

That's a lot of upheaval.

[Tricky Trevor]

He is a superb RCB. That is his position. GS played him at LCB and he had an average game, never got near since. When you look at all the dross that has had game time since his none selection is either personal or his age. GS is known to favour youth but all his trials have led to nothing. Stones is Englands best CB, Maguire is nowhere near but, as with Pickford is set in stone for selection.
Put his name in with Mings, Coady, Gomez, Walker, Timori, White, Guehi and I’d take him every time. When England play 3 at the back you couldn’t find better than him for the right berth, except Stones but he would be in the central spot.

[FCBurnley]

Has Tarks signed for Everton ?