Pathetic

[Stayingup]

I was quite obviously replying to the OP about booing at the final whistle, but since you asked.......

We had nearly 18,000 home fans today and not 18,000 Pep Guardiola clones.
There's not a football fan on the planet that "enjoys" it when their goalkeeper is passing it about at the back, in tight areas, doing shimmies etc etc.

Of course getting on his back for doing what he's told to do is not helpful, and some will have to get used to it.

There's a time and place for it though, and cruising at 2-0 is a time when we don't need to bring unnecessary pressure on ourselves.

Absolutely right. And those saying this is what hes told to do maybe right but hes surely not told to.pass to.a player under pressure at the edge of our box. By the way partly blaming Cullen is not fair. He was under pressure and probably didn't expect or want the ball there.

There has been talk that once in front we would go on to win. Sharp lesson today.

[arise_sir_charge]

Cullen could have hoofed it, but chose to take a touch.

[DanH90]

That's a Cullen mistake. That's where he's supposed to take the ball and play, but his body shape was all wrong to receive the ball.

100%. I’ve just seen it again for the first time. Cullen mistake, not Muric. The second was terrible defending from Maatsen, and the third is the only one I think Muric is at fault for, as he doesn’t come off his line.

[Lancasterclaret]

100%. I’ve just seen it again for the first time. Cullen mistake, not Muric. The second was terrible defending from Maatsen, and the third is the only one I think Muric is at fault for, as he doesn’t come off his line.

All three are bad mistakes, one by Cullen, one by Maatsen and then one by everyone

[Stayingup]

Cullen could have hoofed it, but chose to take a touch.

Hoofed it where? Into the JM upper? Muric could / should have hoofed it.

[Fez]

People are expecting too much too soon

[Loyal Supporter]

I didn't hear any booing other than the booing of Blackpool taking the knee. That's the pathetic thing for me today. A black manager, 6 black players over the 90 plus minutes and our fans boo an anti racist gesture. Just unbelievable...

[ksrclaret]

City trained Muric to be a copy of Ederson.

He didn’t make the grade, so they flogged him.

He is a poor man’s Ederson and we are stuck with him.

A very fitting comment that achieves the criteria of the thread title perfectly.

[ksrclaret]

The sarcastic cheering when Muric hoofed the ball to nobody in the second half was 'kin embarrassing, as were the shouts the groaning when the ball was played back to Muric at any point.

We have some real braindead morons in the stands coming out with that when we're 3-1 up. Of course the result was we then played some Dyche-like hoofs because our players became panicked and that played right into Blackpool's hands. Well done lads.

[dougcollins]

The sarcastic cheering when Muric hoofed the ball to nobody in the second half was 'kin embarrassing, as were the shouts the groaning when the ball was played back to Muric at any point.

We have some real braindead morons in the stands coming out with that when we're 3-1 up. Of course the result was we then played some Dyche-like hoofs because our players became panicked and that played right into Blackpool's hands. Well done lads.

Exactly, no coincidence that Blackpool scored two in this period.

[Boroclaret]

That's a Cullen mistake. That's where he's supposed to take the ball and play, but his body shape was all wrong to receive the ball.

Exactly this. Watch it again. Cullen looks over his right shoulder, sees no-one there, receives the ball but takes it to the left which allows Blackpool lad to tackle him.

I know Cullen will be prone to more mistakes by virtue of having the ball a lot, but today was a poor game from him for me.

[KRBFC]

Honestly, I don’t get this.

It’s not as if he’s playing defence splitting passes like Allison does for Liverpool. He’s literally knocking it ten or twenty yards, and looks really shaky a lot of the time doing this, picking out the wrong pass which puts us under immediate pressure.

You cannot make the mistakes he makes with the position he plays on the pitch. It’s unforgivable.

It's not that difficult to grasp, not sure how you're struggling.

We will make mistakes playing this way but we'll benefit more from doing so. It's called beating the press, taking opposition men out of the game and keeping the ball.

You can make mistakes passing it out and will, it's part of the growth and risk of playing this way. in 4 games he's probably made 3 mistakes, 1 was punished with a goal.

[BurnleyFC]

It's not that difficult to grasp, not sure how you're struggling.

We will make mistakes playing this way but we'll benefit more from doing so. It's called beating the press, taking opposition men out of the game and keeping the ball.

You can make mistakes passing it out and will, it's part of the growth and risk of playing this way. in 4 games he's probably made 3 mistakes, 1 was punished with a goal.

Pray tell how we’ll benefit more when our keeper in particular seems to drop a clanger every game?

He’s been incredibly fortunate to have only conceded one as a result so far.

[KRBFC]

The sarcastic cheering when Muric hoofed the ball to nobody in the second half was 'kin embarrassing, as were the shouts the groaning when the ball was played back to Muric at any point.

We have some real braindead morons in the stands coming out with that when we're 3-1 up. Of course the result was we then played some Dyche-like hoofs because our players became panicked and that played right into Blackpool's hands. Well done lads.

The fans threw away 2 points there imo. Created insane panic amongst our defence when we were in cruise control.

[KRBFC]

Pray tell how we’ll benefit more when our keeper in particular seems to drop a clanger every game?

He's been punished one time in 4 games.

How many goals have we scored from playing out from back? and beating the press? it's pretty simple.

[Vegas Claret]

It's not that difficult to grasp, not sure how you're struggling.

We will make mistakes playing this way but we'll benefit more from doing so. It's called beating the press, taking opposition men out of the game and keeping the ball.

You can make mistakes passing it out and will, it's part of the growth and risk of playing this way. in 4 games he's probably made 3 mistakes, 1 was punished with a goal.

you are wasting your breath mate

[BurnleyFC]

The fans threw away 2 points there imo. Created insane panic amongst our defence when we were in cruise control.

The jeering was wrong but the fans were panicking because the goalkeeper is an accident waiting to happen.

[arise_sir_charge]

Hoofed it where? Into the JM upper? Muric could / should have hoofed it.

Why not?

Ever play up Towneley, river’s a good ball!

[KRBFC]

you are wasting your breath mate

Aye some will never get it

[KRBFC]

The jeering was wrong but the fans were panicking because the goalkeeper is an accident waiting to happen.

The goalkeeper has been instrumental in the way we play, the dominance of possession and beating the press. Made some excellent saves today. 1 punished mistake today and suddenly you're slagging him off, you don't understand the positive to playing out from the back? mistakes WILL happen playing this way but the upside will be worth those mistakes. Any criticism should be directed at VK not Muric, he's been brought in to play this way.

[Burnleyareback2]

Seriously thought this was going to be about some of the Burnley fans in the CFS- what started as a well natured derby today was quickly turned into some pretty cringeworthy attempts to pretend they were going to attack 1500 donkey lashers. Honestly what are they thinking when they charge to the stewards and make hand gestures in people faces? I’d love to know what they take away from the whole thing…

Anyway Muric, our best chances came from playing out from the back today, my question mark after a few games was his shot stopping- he answered that today despite the squeals around me.

[JLR81]

Frustrating result for sure, but if you're having a tantrum because your team didn't win, maybe this isn't for you.

[Ric_C]

Here's the thing. We can't play like that from the back at all times at this level.

1. The players aren't consistently good enough to do it right 100% of the time
2. The opposition will at some point just say "ah **** it" and play more players forward in pressing positions.

This is bound to happen when a side is more than 1 goal down, they have nothing to lose, so they go gung ho. It was clear that after Muric and Taylor almost gave a goal away (before the 1st goal) that maybe bypassing the press with a few calculated percentage balls maybe the better option on occasion to keep the pressing team on their toes. This also continued in the 2nd half, as Blackpool pressed with more urgency and numbers. Nost of Blackpools decent chances came from our mistakes.

The key now is to have some kind of plan B for when this happens next time, as currently we can't break low block teams down, and we also can't hang onto leads when teams over-press us. All part of the learning process, but I'm not buying the whole "it's the way VK wants to play" bull. You have to adapt to situations in a game and today we didn't until it was too late.

As a caveat, no blame on Muric today, but we need to adapt and learn.

[dsr]

Exactly this. Watch it again. Cullen looks over his right shoulder, sees no-one there, receives the ball but takes it to the left which allows Blackpool lad to tackle him.

I know Cullen will be prone to more mistakes by virtue of having the ball a lot, but today was a poor game from him for me.

Cullen tried to take the ball to his right, but unfortunately it was played to his left which is where the Blackpool player was, and his touch wasn't perfect. By the time he received the ball the Blackpool man was within 2 yards and he really should have hit it out for a corner or a throw.

If Muric had played the ball to Cullen's right, where there was space as you say, then it wouldn't have been a problem.

[claretandy]

Let's keep a count of how many goals we score/concede from playing out from the keeper, I make that 0-1.

On another note it was nice to see us score from 3 long passes.

[KRBFC]

Let's keep a count of how many goals we score/concede from playing out from the keeper, I make that 0-1.

On another note it was nice to see us score from 3 long passes.

Non of the goals have come from the keeper passing it short instead of kicking it long? I find that hard to believe.

[Caballo]

Poor man’s Ederson.

That will do me!

Me too, with a bit of luck, once we've got up to speed with the system and all learned each others names, we'll be a poor man's Man City.

[claretandy]

Non of the goals have come from the keeper passing it short instead of kicking it long? I find that hard to believe.

The idea is to beat the press by playing out from the back, not one goal has been scored from this.

[RVclaret]

The idea is to beat the press by playing out from the back, not one goal has been scored from this.

What about Vitinho’s sitter yesterday? Should have been a goal. Or do we not count clear chances? (That’s just one of them, many more)

[Lancasterclaret]

What about Vitinho’s sitter yesterday? Should have been a goal. Or do we not count clear chances? (That’s just one of them, many more)

I think he's made up his mind (like a few on here have) and no amount of actual evidence is going to beat that mate

[Nori1958]

Hoofed it where? Into the JM upper? Muric could / should have hoofed it.

I was just about to type the same, fans are being criticised for wanting the goalie to hoof it, but it seems its OK to pass to someone else to hoof it.. You couldn't make it up

Iam not against playing out from the back, but not every time, for many reasons, and that's what he needs to improve on

[claretandy]

What about Vitinho’s sitter yesterday? Should have been a goal. Or do we not count clear chances? (That’s just one of them, many more)

What about the other times we were caught out and they nearly scored, we can all do what about.

[RVclaret]

What about the other times we were caught out and they nearly scored, we can all do what about.

The main point here is that the rewards outweighs the risks.

So far this season we have created many more chances than we’ve given away from keeping the ball and creating spaces.

Please see Kompany’s after match comments on this subject to help understand further.

Every single PL team will play out when possible (key word) with patient build up.

That is how football has gone - we were the last of the long ballers.

Our team are relatively new at doing it, I’ve actually been impressed by how quickly we’ve adapted.

Time to get used to it.

[taio]

The main point here is that the rewards outweighs the risks.

So far this season we have created many more chances than we’ve given away from keeping the ball and creating spaces.

Please see Kompany’s after match comments on this subject to help understand further.

Every single PL team will play out when possible (key word) with patient build up.

That is how football has gone - we were the last of the long ballers.

Our team are relatively new at doing it, I’ve actually been impressed by how quickly we’ve adapted.

Time to get used to it.

People will certainly have to get used to it and based on what I was hearing inside the ground yesterday that's going to be a real challenge for some fans. But we absolutely don't yet know yet if the rewards outweighs the risks.

[jrgbfc]

Unfortunately every time we pass back to Muric now it's going to be greeted by groans and shouts of "get rid of it".
I tried pointing out to a few people around me yesterday that we're obviously under instructions to play that way, but you're wasting your breath, particularly with some of our older fans.

[RVclaret]

People will certainly have to get used to it and based on what I was hearing inside the ground yesterday that's going to be a real challenge for some fans. But we absolutely don't yet know yet if the rewards outweighs the risks.

Why do all modern, successful clubs do it then? I’m talking all 20 PL clubs will do it, some more so than others (City etc).

Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham - all promoted last season, all played out through the keeper.

That’s the pretty clear evidence that rewards outweigh risks.

As for us so far, just 5 games in, our chances created far outweighs chances given away - I’d hope with time the chances given away becomes less as keeper / players develop a better understanding.

[taio]

Unfortunately every time we pass back to Muric now it's going to be greeted by groans and shouts of "get rid of it".
I tried pointing out to a few people around me yesterday that we're obviously under instructions to play that way, but you're wasting your breath, particularly with some of our older fans.

Exactly my experience yesterday although I didn't try to point it out people - I just sat back in amusement at how clueless some people are. The worrying thing is it wasn't a small handful.

[taio]

Why do all modern, successful clubs do it then? I’m talking all 20 PL clubs will do it, some more so than others (City etc).

Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham - all promoted last season, all played out through the keeper.

That’s the pretty clear evidence that rewards outweigh risks.

As for us so far, just 5 games in, our chances created far outweighs chances given away - I’d hope with time the chances given away becomes less as keeper / players develop a better understanding.

Easier said than done though isn't it. The clubs you refer to have had the players to do it at the level they have succeeded at. We don't know whether we have yet.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why do all modern, successful clubs do it then? I’m talking all 20 PL clubs will do it, some more so than others (City etc).

Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham - all promoted last season, all played out through the keeper.

That’s the pretty clear evidence that rewards outweigh risks.

As for us so far, just 5 games in, our chances created far outweighs chances given away - I’d hope with time the chances given away becomes less as keeper / players develop a better understanding.

I do get your point but I also think it’s worth discussing budgets when talking about this. I think playing out from the back requires real quality not only in defence but in the middle of the park. I think we can probably get away with it at this level but not sure we could financially buy the level of player required to make it successful in the prem.

[Ampth7]

Interesting reading everyone’s thoughts on yesterday/the season so far. Here’s my thoughts.
1). 5 games in and only 1 defeat with a completely new team, manager, style of play and having played some of the better teams in this division etc….. it could be a lot worse!
2). With the point above in mind, progress and cutting out mistakes will take time! Let’s see where we are after another 5-10 games.
3). With point 2 in mind, I ask all those fans who are booing or vociferously advising professional footballers on how to play the game - how does this help the situation? Surely booing and moaning will hinder their performance!?
4). Finally, yesterday was just another reminder of how tricky this league is and it’s certainly no cake walk as some believe. Just because we were a premier league team last year doesn’t mean we have some kind of divine right or expectation to simply steam roll teams at this level. This is especially the case for us because of how much change there has been at our club in such a short space of time.
Personally, I’m going to support the team as best I can and at as many games as I can! I was naturally disappointed with yesterday’s result, but I can see what VK is trying to implement and I’m going to remain patient.
Onwards and upwards - UTC

[RVclaret]

I do get your point but I also think it’s worth discussing budgets when talking about this. I think playing out from the back requires real quality not only in defence but in the middle of the park. I think we can probably get away with it at this level but not sure we could financially buy the level of player required to make it successful in the prem.

Right now we’ve got a top budget for the league and therefore should be able to play this way.

As for in the Prem, you are right but you have to adapt, Brentford a prime example last season. Raya is outstanding with his feet and was able to pick players out on the wing etc to play over the press. Meslier regularly does this for Leeds too.

[taio]

Right now we’ve got a top budget for the league and therefore should be able to play this way.

As for in the Prem, you are right but you have to adapt, Brentford a prime example last season. Raya is outstanding with his feet and was able to pick players out on the wing etc to play over the press. Meslier regularly does this for Leeds too.

We've only got a top budget though because of the high quality of the players that have understandably left the club. It remains to be seen whether that budget has brought in sufficient quality to - I'm hopeful but it's early days.

[claretspice]

I don't think this need to be boiled down to sophisticated modernists v luddites. Its perfectly possible to understand and support the idea of the style and be comfortable with the risk generally to unlock the opportunities, but think he needs some refinement in short order to avoid it being a liability in the championship.

Kompany basically said this last night last night. Muric appears to me to have the ability to find a man on the touchline around half way accurately. He may just need to look that way more often when the short pass is being pressed. At the moment he's going short almost exclusively and on occasions, notably the first goal, the calculated gamble is turned to reckless stupidity. He had at least 2 longer and/or squarer options on for the first goal and instead played a silly pass to a pressurised man on his wrong foot where we had no hope of recovering if it went wrong.

Of course, that requires the team to be ready for the second ball/pass when we go longer, which is something Kompany may need to look at on the training pitch.

[Jakubclaret]

Right now we’ve got a top budget for the league and therefore should be able to play this way.

As for in the Prem, you are right but you have to adapt, Brentford a prime example last season. Raya is outstanding with his feet and was able to pick players out on the wing etc to play over the press. Meslier regularly does this for Leeds too.

It's only sustainable if the new additions are successful & leave with enhanced values for the next turnover, it's a 1 off spend because of the rebuild, that budget won't be there again unless the new set can generate the money or more of a realistic plan being is that the existing team can now kick on & hold their own as a competent championship side & so far the signs are that's possible the evidence being somewhere around midtable which can obviously flunctuate throughout or we strengthen further & others don't & weaken as the season draws out, if this first season back in the championship is where we should be at our strongest & this is the optimum it's concerning, of course there's improvement which isn't guaranteed.

[MrTopTier]

No problem with playing it out and the style we have adopted.

There is a right and a wrong time to play out from the back. Yesterday showed that we are inviting to much pressure on ourselves by doing so and Blackpool saw that an exploited it.

The caveat here is that it’s a new team, system and manager, the games are never boring that’s for sure.

[CardyTheClaret]

This team has many failings and I think we have been found out but any booing is wrong.
Will be a long long season with many frustrations.
If we can stay up this season that will be a success

Many failings....**** me.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Right now we’ve got a top budget for the league and therefore should be able to play this way.

As for in the Prem, you are right but you have to adapt, Brentford a prime example last season. Raya is outstanding with his feet and was able to pick players out on the wing etc to play over the press. Meslier regularly does this for Leeds too.

I’m not concerned about our keeper, more the outfield players.

More so in the prem, I just don’t think we will be able to afford the kind of player that would allow us to effectively play this system. Similar to Norwich

[Goodclaret]

I said, when leaving the Huddersfield game, we would concede goals by playing out from Muric. However, the advantages of playing our new style will be far more beneficial in the long run. It's 5 games in to a season with many, many more positives than I could have hoped for at this stage with the total change of management and players. Patience is needed but, unfortunately, some fans can only concentrate on one game or, even worse, one period of a game to produce a sweeping statement of "we are sh1te", "we'll be lucky to stop up" etc. Fortunately, on this thread, it does give the impression most of us can see what VK is trying to achieve and, most of us, will give him the time to give it a proper go.

Yesterday was frustrating as Blackpool were there for the taking but to boo and jeer this young team was shocking.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Kompany maybe think by having two decent players in each postion he has to use them, to me he tinkers to much, okay we've gone from a manager he never made subs to one who makes the maximum you can but why does he feel he needs to, is it to keep players happy by playing them all, there was no need to take off a player that was on a hatrick and definitely no need to bring Barnes on for Jay Rod, to me he's making subs just for the sake of it

[forzagranata]

The fans threw away 2 points there imo. Created insane panic amongst our defence when we were in cruise control.

Yep - it was definitely the fans to blame for that result. We surely need to do something about these dinosaur supporters who are costing us points.

The technology is actually already there - there is a Kick It Out app where you can report fans involved in racist or homophobic abuse. Perhaps we need a similar system for fans who “don’t get” the new style of play?

So if someone shouts a phrase such as “Stop fannying about” or, heaven forbid, “Get rid”, then you can open the ‘Play it Out’ app and send their seat number to a central monitoring centre under the Bob Lord Stand. Then stewards can be despatched to remove these vile long ball merchants from the ground and issue life bans to the offenders.

On the other hand, if a more sophisticated and tactically aware fan responds to ‘groans or murmurs’ with a shout of “There is more reward than risk, can’t you see we are trying to play through the press?”, they too could be reported and their virtue signalling rewarded with a free AI Scout lifetime membership or even one of those empty padded seats by the Directors Box.