The Andrew Tate saga

[Penwortham_Claret]

Yeah of course it's me, because I don't like the bloke who's blaming women and wanting the blame shifting away from the men.

How silly of me to think that's wrong....

I don’t like him either but I like that he’s giving the same advice that I give my daughters, look after yourselves girls, be safe, don’t put yourself in any dodgy situations because there’s bad people out there

[daveisaclaret]

Misogyny on UpTheClarets? From the most obvious idiots? I can hardly believe it

[Newcastleclaret93]

Of course you don't get it, because you don't want the blame on men.

Clearly you don't have kids

Do you advise your kids to do something to prevent them from harm?

Like don’t take drugs, don’t drink and drive, don’t talk to strangers, don’t walk alone at night, make sure you don’t leave your drink unattended.

By your logic all of that is victim blaming.

[Swizzlestick]

Sorry, I know I said no more posts but this will be the last one - this was his direct quote on moving to Romania - “I’m not a rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being free.”

I’m sure it’s out of context again (although the context above somehow made things worse) or some sort of bawdy joke, but I’m going to go with relentless misogynist.

As I said above, Greta may have taught him a valuable life lesson, but we’ll see.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I don’t like him either but I like that he’s giving the same advice that I give my daughters, look after yourselves girls, be safe, don’t put yourself in any dodgy situations because there’s bad people out there

You've made it clear which side you're supporting in this and I can't stand the bloke you're backing.
Nothing left to discuss.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Do you advise your kids to do something to prevent them from harm?

Like don’t take drugs, don’t drink and drive, don’t talk to strangers, don’t walk alone at night, make sure you don’t leave your drink unattended.

By your logic all of that is victim blaming.

Nothing left to say to you on this, you support the bloke, I don't.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nothing left to say to you on this, you support the bloke, I don't.

Your being so strange about this.

No one is saying they support him. Just that some of the things he has said are relevant and should be discussed.

[daveisaclaret]

Your being so strange about this.

No one is saying they support him. Just that some of the things he has said are relevant and should be discussed.

Do you realise that when you make loads of posts supporting someone, everyone can tell you support him? You don't need to say "I support him" like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy

[Penwortham_Claret]

I’m a good parent he victim shames and needs cancelling but we both give the exact same advice.

There are so many examples that could be used to show all that is wrong with him but this one isn’t it but it’s the one that a lot of people have been told that they should hate him for.

I’m not arguing for Tate, he’s a dangerous man, I’m arguing against people behaving as they are told to by the press without their own research

[Newcastleclaret93]

Do you realise that when you make loads of posts supporting someone, everyone can tell you support him? You don't need to say "I support him" like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy

I am not even supporting him.

I’m saying I agree with the notion that people should try there best to avoid bad situations.

My parents still to this day tell me stay in a big group when I get out. It doesn’t mean they are victim blaming

[daveisaclaret]

I am not even supporting him.

I’m saying I agree with the notion that people should try there best to avoid bad situations.

My parents still to this day tell me stay in a big group when I get out. It doesn’t mean they are victim blaming

They may be worried that you will get lost.

[Pickles]

Andrew Tate's a prick, and there's no debate or nuance about it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well it looks like this page has all been for nothing.

He’s out of jail and back to posting online

[Newcastleclaret93]

They may be worried that you will get lost.

It does happen on occasion

[SammyBoy]

You can file this guy under Tommy Robinson, ultimately a grifter shilling easy answers to the bewildered - big money in peddling this sort of guff.

[DCWat]

I am not even supporting him.

I’m saying I agree with the notion that people should try there best to avoid bad situations.

My parents still to this day tell me stay in a big group when I get out. It doesn’t mean they are victim blaming

I don’t think you’ve helped yourself, in this debate, but to be fair, I think you’re right in the line you’re pushing here, about reducing risk. That I think we can all agree on.

I’d never heard of this bloke until reading the BBC article about his arrest and seeing this thread. I can see why some of his comments are seen as you are seeing them, but you don’t need to look far to see a more sinister undercurrent.

I’d guess that he’s not achieved his notoriety by posting safety tips for us all to follow for a safer life.

[DanH90]

That’s like saying don’t murder a person. But guess what people have been murdering people since day 1 and they will continue to murder purple until the end of time.

For someone who disagrees with much of what he says methinks you doth protest too much.

Those who think complete free speech without any moderation is a good thing just need to brush up on their history.

Tate, Robinson et al cannot be allowed to spout their views freely, as the fact they are semi eloquent (more so than their followers anyway) gives some bizarre credence to their ideas.

[DanH90]

Well it looks like this page has all been for nothing.

He’s out of jail and back to posting online

Damn, and I thought this thread was going to single handedly bring him down.

[AlargeClaret]

Had no idea this was Andrew Tate the former kick-boxer , he was very good indeed , though wouldn’t fight Muay Thai fighters, even much lighter ones . Judging by the almost hysterical posts, he’s inspired rage within those tolerant guardians of our morals “ the left “ and for this we must be truly thankful .

[KRBFC]

Misogyny on UpTheClarets? From the most obvious idiots? I can hardly believe it

Quick pull the racist sexist homophobic card, we've nothing left

[daveisaclaret]

Quick pull the racist sexist homophobic card, we've nothing left

If someone describes themselves as a sexist and a misogynist, it isn't playing a card to say that the people who agree with him are sexist and misogynistic. It's stating the bleeding obvious.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Had no idea this was Andrew Tate the former kick-boxer , he was very good indeed , though wouldn’t fight Muay Thai fighters, even much lighter ones . Judging by the almost hysterical posts, he’s inspired rage within those tolerant guardians of our morals “ the left “ and for this we must be truly thankful .

‘The Left’ what does that even mean?



MOD: THREAD LOCKED - misogynistic posts/ political

[Duffer_]

It is telling to me that some posters are saying that comment x is not the thing to hang him by. They appear to be more familiar with his views than others and use their knowledge to defend comment x rather than highlighting the lunacy of comment y.

I think it is possible to defend freedom of speech whilst still exposing someone as a misogynistic idiot. If posters familar with Tate's views focus on the former and stop short of the latter then they should expect to be challenged.

MOD: THREAD LOCKED - misogynistic posts/ political

[Billy Balfour]

Had no idea this was Andrew Tate the former kick-boxer , he was very good indeed , though wouldn’t fight Muay Thai fighters, even much lighter ones . Judging by the almost hysterical posts, he’s inspired rage within those tolerant guardians of our morals “ the left “ and for this we must be truly thankful .

Calling out vile misogyny is the preserve of 'the left'? Don't be such an empty-headed simpleton. Decent people, regardless of their politics, will call it out for what it is.


MOD: THREAD LOCKED - misogynistic posts/ political