U21 v Liverpool - Updates

[Big Vinny K]

Auxerre are a much bigger club than Bristol City

Using what criteria ?

Total revenue
Transfer spend
Record transfer transfer fees
Wage bill
Ground Capacity
Average attendance

If they were a “much bigger” club as you say would at least one of the above not be higher for Auxerre?

[superdimitri]

So Churlinov played badly, yet he did this?

[bumba]

Using what criteria ?

Total revenue
Transfer spend
Record transfer transfer fees
Wage bill
Ground Capacity
Average attendance

If they were a “much bigger” club as you say would at least one of the above not be higher for Auxerre?

Auxerre have been champions of France and won the French cup more than once, Bristol City have never played in the premier league and never won a major trophy.
They have a bigger stadium Bristol but when was it last full?
Auxerre is half the size of Burnley and get 14/15k a game, Bristol close to half a million and only get 18-20k.

[Big Vinny K]

Auxerre have been champions of France and won the French cup more than once, Bristol City have never played in the premier league and never won a major trophy.
They have a bigger stadium Bristol but when was it last full?
Auxerre is half the size of Burnley and get 14/15k a game, Bristol close to half a million and only get 18-20k.

Oh sorry I thought we were talking about who is the biggest club now.

So Auxerre are bigger because they won stuff years ago and there are less people living in Auxerre.

Ok got it

Bristol City much higher wage bill, revenue, stadium, crowd, transfer spend etc etc

Auxerre transfer spend last few years not much more than Wrexham !!

But guess you’d know all this already with your in depth knowledge of French football

[bumba]

Oh sorry I thought we were talking about who is the biggest club now.

So Auxerre are bigger because they won stuff years ago and there are less people living in Auxerre.

Ok got it

Bristol City much higher wage bill, revenue, stadium, crowd, transfer spend etc etc

Auxerre transfer spend last few years not much more than Wrexham !!

But guess you’d know all this already with your in depth knowledge of French football

So Saudi clubs are some of the biggest in world football due to what they spent in the last window and their high wage bills??

[xxmunkyennuixx]

He looked useful at Bristol - I was watching Semenyo but he stood out more. I hope he sticks around and gets game time because he has a good deal of potential.

[NewClaret]

Have to say I was really impressed with Massengo at Salford.

Understand the experience argument but does there come a time where we need to focus on giving our players PL experience to give us the best chance of coming back up next year?

[boatshed bill]

Have to say I was really impressed with Massengo at Salford.

Understand the experience argument but does there come a time where we need to focus on giving our players PL experience to give us the best chance of coming back up next year?

Certainly, at the point where we have to accept relegation.

[Big Vinny K]

So Saudi clubs are some of the biggest in world football due to what they spent in the last window and their high wage bills??

Nope - but I’m guessing Ronaldo would not have signed for Auxerre.

So by your definition of winning cups and leagues are Preston and Blackburn both bigger than West Ham, Everton, Leeds or even Man City?
Don’t those also meet your other criteria of more fans per population.

[aggi]

He played 3 times for Monaco and came on as sub in the champions league game for the last 20 minutes in a game they lost 4-0.
Monaco then sold him to Bristol City - not sure as to why they needed to sell their young players but they have had recent financial issues. They also got good money for somebody so young and inexperienced at the time.

Somewhat surprisingly he started a couple of champions league games against Dortmund (where coincidentally Brun Larsen was getting Champions League appearances) and Atletico Madrid.

[Big Vinny K]

Somewhat surprisingly he started a couple of champions league games against Dortmund (where coincidentally Brun Larsen was getting Champions League appearances) and Atletico Madrid.

Yep pretty impressive for such a young lad.
Begs the question why they sold him to Bristol City and never gave him a run in the league.
But Monaco have had a volatile time financially to say the least.

Stadium at Monaco is pretty impressive - and they had a very exciting team for a few years that regularly went to the latter stages of CL. Must have been a big cultural change for Massengo to end up in Bristol !!

[FCBurnley]

Anybody still remember when Dyche was almost forced into playing McNeil due to injuries etc and the rest as they say is history.
Maybe time to give Massengo a chance ? Nothing to lose

[bumba]

Nope - but I’m guessing Ronaldo would not have signed for Auxerre.

So by your definition of winning cups and leagues are Preston and Blackburn both bigger than West Ham, Everton, Leeds or even Man City?
Don’t those also meet your other criteria of more fans per population.

If Auxerre paid Ronaldo the same wages I 100% guarantee Ronaldo would have signed for them because he'd of signed for any club offering that money.
Bristol I have never seen as a big club, I'd say Burnley are a bigger club than Bristol City.
Going off your opinion Burnleys spend would put us above some European giants?
Preston and Blackburn aren't big clubs anymore no and not even close to the four you mentioned but look at those fan bases.
Half of the population of Auxerre attend games, Bristol has a huge catchment area yet can't fill a stadium so I don't see them as a big club. If anything I'd say they was pretty even but due to the history of Auxerre I'd say they was just edging it

[Bordeauxclaret]

Somewhat surprisingly he started a couple of champions league games against Dortmund (where coincidentally Brun Larsen was getting Champions League appearances) and Atletico Madrid.

Somewhere on some Monaco messageboard there will be some posters unhappy that the regular players who helped them qualify for Europe were overlooked for these games and this started a decline for Monaco.

[Big Vinny K]

If Auxerre paid Ronaldo the same wages I 100% guarantee Ronaldo would have signed for them because he'd of signed for any club offering that money.
Bristol I have never seen as a big club, I'd say Burnley are a bigger club than Bristol City.
Going off your opinion Burnleys spend would put us above some European giants?
Preston and Blackburn aren't big clubs anymore no and not even close to the four you mentioned but look at those fan bases.
Half of the population of Auxerre attend games, Bristol has a huge catchment area yet can't fill a stadium so I don't see them as a big club. If anything I'd say they was pretty even but due to the history of Auxerre I'd say they was just edging it

Who said Bristol were a big club ?
They are just a bugger club that Auxerre at the moment. Both clubs are clearly not big right now.
Of course Burnley are bigger than Bristol City.

And of course Preston and Blackburn are not bigger than the 4 I mentioned - I was illustrating the point by using your definition of why you think Auxerre are bigger than Bristol City !!

[bumba]

Who said Bristol were a big club ?
They are just a bugger club that Auxerre at the moment. Both clubs are clearly not big right now.
Of course Burnley are bigger than Bristol City.

And of course Preston and Blackburn are not bigger than the 4 I mentioned - I was illustrating the point by using your definition of why you think Auxerre are bigger than Bristol City !!

Yes but going off your way of defining it Burnley are one of the biggest clubs in Europe right now!?
There's a whole host of things to look at when decided the size of a club, me personally despite Auxerre being relegated I'd say there still bigger than Bristol, I see a lot of similarities between us and Auxerre

[Big Vinny K]

Yes but going off your way of defining it Burnley are one of the biggest clubs in Europe right now!?
There's a whole host of things to look at when decided the size of a club, me personally despite Auxerre being relegated I'd say there still bigger than Bristol, I see a lot of similarities between us and Auxerre

Depends what you classify as “one of” - top 50 or top 100 maybe. But I’ve not used that description.

Of course there are similarities between us and Auxerre - size of town, stadium, attendance, and history / club honours too.

But there are also massive differences - financially in every aspect in the last decade we are much bigger. Their record transfer fee is £3.5m !! In the year that Massengo signed on loan for them they brought in a lot of new players - but only paid a transfer fee for one of them.
Auxerre’s budgets are nearer to clubs like Rotherham than ours.

Huddersfield have a great history of winning honours and similar size town, crowd, stadium etc. I don’t think many people would say that they are a bigger club than Burnley right now.

[bumba]

Depends what you classify as “one of” - top 50 or top 100 maybe. But I’ve not used that description.

Of course there are similarities between us and Auxerre - size of town, stadium, attendance, and history / club honours too.

But there are also massive differences - financially in every aspect in the last decade we are much bigger. Their record transfer fee is £3.5m !! In the year that Massengo signed on loan for them they brought in a lot of new players - but only paid a transfer fee for one of them.
Auxerre’s budgets are nearer to clubs like Rotherham than ours.

Huddersfield have a great history of winning honours and similar size town, crowd, stadium etc. I don’t think many people would say that they are a bigger club than Burnley right now.

Despite our recent history of being in the premier league I'd still class us as a similar size club to Huddersfield to be honest.
Auxerres budget is small due to the finance in French football, I'm sure it's next season the TV deals run out and they are struggling to find a buyer, if we didn't have the premier league money we wouldn't be spending anywhere close to what Auxerre have. When did we spend £3.5 million without premier league money?

I wouldn't put Burnley in the top 100 clubs in Europe, there's massive clubs in countries that nobody even watches the games from, Celtic and Rangers are two of the biggest clubs in the world but look at their budgets and salaries.

There's a lot to take in to account when talking about the size of a club.
Bristol City to me should be as big as Sunderland/Leeds/Sheff Weds/United those types of clubs but I've never seen them as that big, I think there poorly supported for the size of Bristol

[Big Vinny K]

“If we didn’t have the Premier League money”…..

Well we have - and we have had way over half a billion of it.

If Man United didn’t have the Premier League money, millions of fans round the world, a massive stadium, hundreds of millions of pounds of advertising and sponsorship revenue and you took away all the things they have won etc etc….
…..they wouldn’t be a big club either !!

It’s a strange way of debating by taking away one the biggest factors that defines how big a club is - money

As already said I’ve never once said Bristol City are s big club.

[daveisaclaret]

Someone pretends to watch French football and you get a whole page of argument about how big a club Auxerre is. Vintage UTC.

[ecc]

I thought this thread was about our game against Liverpool. I haven't checked the Liverpool team but Tony said it was very young. That said, any win against them is worth cherishing. I'm sure Chester and Royboy (for example) have an idea of how much their Academy budget is.

FWIW I saw Auxerre play in the Champions League in 2010-11 (all three home games). I also saw them play against Boavista in Porto back in 2002 in the CL play-offs. The team twenty years ago was significantly better than that of thirteen years back.

I only saw Massengo play once last season. It was the last match and they needed to beat Lens to stay up. He was willing and worked hard but somewhat erratic. However, the consensus on the biggest Auxerre forum was that he had a good half-season there. I can't judge him on one match.