Cork & JBG leaving

[Goliath]

I’m assuming when you say promoted clubs you mean the 1s coming up from L1.

No.

[Jakubclaret]

No.

I think you’ve got to be joking then.

[ksrclaret]

The thing that marks these two players out is, not only are they technically good footballers (far better than most of the supposedly better players we’ve bought in the last year), but they are two brilliant characters who work hard and give their all every single time they take to the field.

If we went a goal or two down, these two would keep doing the basics, keep their discipline, keep communicating, and we’d never see the opposition going on to get 3,4,5 goals like we’ve all too often seen this season.

We’re going to miss them both hugely and it’s over to the club now to show they’re not afraid of signing big characters with leadership and experience.

[criminalclaret]

Because he's stealing a wage and won't be anywhere near good enough in the championship next season. If we rely on Jay next season then we haven't made progress from 2 seasons ago

Championship final game last season against Cardiff I expected would be his final game and go out on a high at his hometown club. Was really surprised he was given a season in the PL. Unless he wants to move into that physical Barnes esque role as a 60th minute sub and believes he can be a part of another promotion. But after that it must be curtains

[Goliath]

I think you’ve got to be joking then.

No I just understand football is about more than just having flashy young players. It's just as important to have experienced pros in the Premier League that know how hard it is to compete at that level whilst also being able to contribute at different times through a season.

[helmclaret]

Both been great servants and consistent performers over the years.

Life goes on and I hope they have a good end to their careers wherever they end up.

[Hibsclaret]

Cork was great in his latter period for us in the first half of last season. An example would be at QPR around 18 months ago. Given we went on to get over 100 points you can see why he played less towards the end of that season.

As for this season he could have definitely shored up some of the goal leaks but I think the decision had been made to go for youth this season. From his interview I’m not sure this has been entirely made clear to him and 5 minute cameos at 3 nil down at Palace and such like have been a bit disrespectful to him.

Both JBG and Cork go down as legends and I reckon both would make our current first eleven in terms of pure quality rather than in terms of potential and working within the project.

[Goliath]

Cork was great in his latter period for us in the first half of last season. An example would be at QPR around 18 months ago. Given we went on to get over 100 points you can see why he played less towards the end of that season.

As for this season he could have definitely shored up some of the goal leaks but I think the decision had been made to go for youth this season. From his interview I’m not sure this has been entirely made clear to him and 5 minute cameos at 3 nil down at Palace and such like have been a bit disrespectful to him.

Both JBG and Cork go down as legends and I reckon both would make our current first eleven in terms of pure quality rather than in terms of potential and working within the project.

That first half of last season gets completely overlooked. I had him down for player of the season at that point and if I remember rightly he was right near the top of the rankings on here as well.

[Jakubclaret]

No I just understand football is about more than just having flashy young players. It's just as important to have experienced pros in the Premier League that know how hard it is to compete at that level whilst also being able to contribute at different times through a season.

We'll see I guess if Leicester or Ipswich or Leeds/Southampton sign them I suspect it'll be the same level or a downwards move for the pair. It won't purely be down to finances why they aren't stopping on kompany doesn't want them he doesn't trust either will do a job in the championship nevermind the PL.

[ElectroClaret]

.. kompany doesn't want them he doesn't trust either will do a job in the championship nevermind the PL.

According to some of the replies on the thread, JBG was offered some new deal, but decided to move on.

Hardly sounds like VK didn't want him.

[Jakubclaret]

According to some of the replies on the thread, JBG was offered some new deal, but decided to move on.

Hardly sounds like VK didn't want him.

Like I said we'll see if either cork or JBG get a PL gig I'll bung a ten spot in the foodbank charity jazz if either do & you can do the same if they don't. I can't say fairer than that I'm pretty much confident both won't see the PL again after the forest game.

[helmclaret]

The lack of general fitness and at times lack of real fight (I saw players walking back when the opposition attacked) alarming.Now we hear of cliques and concerns about training standards as we entered the Premiership.Remember the players were brought back early pre season to prepare.
If this is not sorted out,I don't care which players are brought in, retained or sold,we will be mid table at best next season.
I've heard several rumours of players wanting to get out,this can't be satisfactory.Talk about lack of game time for Cork, consider how Benson must be feeling.

Cliques and poor standards in training in a relegation season?? Par for the course unfortunately.

[IanMcL]

Gudmundsson must have scratched his head, many times, this season, knowing was 10 times better than boys on the pitch.

Cork probably a natural end, although it seemed abrupt, when he suddenly wasn't picked.

Manager must have given them kittens, with some decision making.

[forzagranata]

Watching the interview with Cork - I do feel sorry for a bloke who, at this stage of his career, just wasted an entire season.

Would have been far more decent of VK to be up-front with Cork and told him he had no future at the club and let him enjoy his football elsewhere.

[JohnDearyMe]

The lack of general fitness and at times lack of real fight (I saw players walking back when the opposition attacked) alarming.

Thank god we've got rid of the likes of Cork and JBG and signed up Tresor. Exactly what we need for another attritional season in the Championship

[IanMcL]

We'll see I guess if Leicester or Ipswich or Leeds/Southampton sign them I suspect it'll be the same level or a downwards move for the pair. It won't purely be down to finances why they aren't stopping on kompany doesn't want them he doesn't trust either will do a job in the championship nevermind the PL.

Not sure Kompany is making Guddy's decision.

[Noblelight]

Thank you to both players, they have been magnificent servants to our club. I wish them both all the best for the future.

[northeastclaret]

I will be surprised if any of the ex Dyche players are playing next season the way VK has mistreated them , so very often playing inferior players , it must have been so disheartening for them and another example of VKs potentially poor judgment and man management.

[CoolClaret]

Just watched the interviews; Corky underneath it all seemed a bit annoyed/let down that he hasn't had a kick this year.

He would've done a job - especially in helping us preserve leads/draws (ditto with JBG)... They'll be missed!

[Rileybobs]

JBG has been a fantastic bit part player this season with some vital contributions at times, but I suspect he’d be nothing more than a bit part player again next season in a more physical league

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times, but I’ve got no idea where the idea the Championship is a more physical league than the Premier League has come from. It’s nowhere near as physical.

[Rileybobs]

Always sad to see long serving players leave. But the reality is that 12 months ago I’m sure most people would have expected these two to be moving on this summer. So It is a reflection on our transfer business that the consensus seems to be that JBG would have offered something next season and has in fact been relatively decent this season.

In recent seasons I’ve found JBG to look at times lightweight and too safe, but it’s notable that this season, when compared to other players, he’s actually looked physically robust and intelligent with his use of the ball.

Wish them both well, both class acts in their day.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Just watched the interviews; Corky underneath it all seemed a bit annoyed/let down that he hasn't had a kick this year.

He would've done a job - especially in helping us preserve leads/draws (ditto with JBG)... They'll be missed!

It’s funny how sentiment blurs our vision. Cork wasn’t good enough two seasons ago at this level. He barely featured the 2nd half of the championship season.

Any professional would be annoyed at not playing but let’s not pretend he’d have made a difference. He like JBG, Jay Rod and Taylor have been fantastic performers and servants but time to move on.

[fidelcastro]

Good luck to both of them, and if we don't buy some experience for next season, then the average age of the squad reduces even more.

Hope you know what you're doing, Vincent!

[Taffy on the wing]

A pair of classy professionals.....two of my favourites. Good luck boys.

[CoolClaret]

It’s funny how sentiment blurs our vision. Cork wasn’t good enough two seasons ago at this level. He barely featured the 2nd half of the championship season.

Any professional would be annoyed at not playing but let’s not pretend he’d have made a difference. He like JBG, Jay Rod and Taylor have been fantastic performers and servants but time to move on.

Well, erm... He was?

I recall Cork coming back into the side when Westy had a suspension (pre leg-break) and we.. erm... battered Brighton 3-1 away playing through the lines? Soon reverted to type the week after.

Last year, Cork was one of if not our best players up until about mid Jan after shifted from a 4-2-3-1 and having Maatsen come into midfield more, rather than overlap.

Even then, he came on at Ewood, did a job on Wharton and we hung on.

I never once said he should've been starting every game but in a few games coming on for 20-25 mins would have helped us hang on to a few more leads/points.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It’s funny how sentiment blurs our vision. Cork wasn’t good enough two seasons ago at this level. He barely featured the 2nd half of the championship season.

Any professional would be annoyed at not playing but let’s not pretend he’d have made a difference. He like JBG, Jay Rod and Taylor have been fantastic performers and servants but time to move on.

Two seasons ago, referencing your above point, I checked the stats because I posted earlier that we seemed to win when Cork played.

There was a spell from Feb 22 to the end of April 22 when Jack started 8 games and we won 5 of them.

Even before Jackson took over for some of those wins, Dyche recalled Jack and we immediately beat Brighton then Spurs. But he kept getting dropped. Then we started losing again. My belief is that decision cost Dyche his job.

[Wokingclaret]

Sorry to see JBG go but guess he needs a longer deal at this stage

No surprised with Cork he wasn't used enough

Taylor we need two left backs

Jay Rod, not sure, a lot of sentiment in this, but we certainly need better than we have.

[jojomk1]

Cork and JBG had to be let go - they are just not involved in the future of the club
Having said that, neither is Jay but Taylor still can have a part to play next season
The bigger problems are the under performers who are still contracted to the club after this summer
Egan-Riley, Redmond, Roberts, Zaroury, Churlinov, Benson, Delcroix, Obafemi, Bastien, McNally, Twine, BFP and not forgetting Weghorst
VK and his band have really got us into a mess

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Well, erm... He was?

I recall Cork coming back into the side when Westy had a suspension (pre leg-break) and we.. erm... battered Brighton 3-1 away playing through the lines? Soon reverted to type the week after.

Last year, Cork was one of if not our best players up until about mid Jan after shifted from a 4-2-3-1 and having Maatsen come into midfield more, rather than overlap.

Even then, he came on at Ewood, did a job on Wharton and we hung on.

I never once said he should've been starting every game but in a few games coming on for 20-25 mins would have helped us hang on to a few more leads/points.

Dyche and Kompany obviously both felt differently. No doubt a great player and servant in his time with us and did well in the games you mention but time to move on. I’d argue our biggest mistake last summer along with criminally not signing a left back was not signing a younger version of Cork type player.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times, but I’ve got no idea where the idea the Championship is a more physical league than the Premier League has come from. It’s nowhere near as physical.

I think people mistake the fact there’s more games and more teams use your traditional things like set pieces and long throws in the championship as to why it’s more physical.

Certain positions though if you struggle with the physicality of the prem you will in the champ. Goalkeeper for example if you are struggling in the prem then you’ll 100% struggle in the champ

[Rileybobs]

I think people mistake the fact there’s more games and more teams use your traditional things like set pieces and long throws in the championship as to why it’s more physical.

Certain positions though if you struggle with the physicality of the prem you will in the champ. Goalkeeper for example if you are struggling in the prem then you’ll 100% struggle in the champ

I disagree that a goalkeeper who struggles in the PL will automatically struggle in the Championship. They would be up against players with less ability, facing shots with less accuracy and power, facing crosses and set pieces with less accuracy etc. It just doesn’t make sense.

[mdd2]

JBG
The club had an option for another season which either he has declined or they don’t want to take it up

[bobinho]

Flipping gutted!

Both wonderful pros!


To this day, I stand absolutely convinced that at least half of our fanbase didn’t see that we looked and statistically were a better side Corky in the middle. An absolutely magnificent player.

This.

It would need someone with the imagination of Tolkien to understand why Jay is being retained.

[Elbarad]

Two great servants of the club. Cork, well it was time I think we'd all agree. But Johan, I think he'd have offered something. Such a classy player.

[Silkyskills1]

JBG looking for a 2 year contract, I suspect.
Can see him playing against us next season, though with another Championship club.

[Silkyskills1]

This.

It would need someone with the imagination of Tolkien to understand why Jay is being retained.

Or possibly Victoria Atkins but I take your point.

[boatshed bill]

Leaving will be good for both of them. It's time they left.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Dyche and Kompany obviously both felt differently. No doubt a great player and servant in his time with us and did well in the games you mention but time to move on. I’d argue our biggest mistake last summer along with criminally not signing a left back was not signing a younger version of Cork type player.

Massengo is a defensive midfielder and potentially next season in the championship could be good for him if he gets a chance

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Both have been great players but if we want to get better you have to be ruthless, no room for sentiment & frees up wages.

[agreenwood]

Quite surprised JBG is leaving. Less so Cork. Dyche stopped playing him when he was 32, so hardly surprising VK hasn’t really picked him 2 years on.

Wish them both all the best. Fantastic servants for the club.

[TsarBomba]

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times, but I’ve got no idea where the idea the Championship is a more physical league than the Premier League has come from. It’s nowhere near as physical.

Physicality in the Championship = getting kicked.

Physicality in the Premier League = athleticism.

That’s probably what people mean.

[NickBFC]

Both fantastic servants to the football club, and both genuine Premier League players in their day. A shame for JBG having suffered a few bad injuries but both showed their class last season. Wish them both well.

[boyyanno]

Physicality in the Championship = getting kicked.

Physicality in the Premier League = athleticism.

That’s probably what people mean.

Yeah I'd agree with that, I also think at one time some of the top PL clubs didn't need to run as much because they had so much technical quality. Football has shifted now though and those at the top work as hard as everyone else.

When we were promoted under Dyche the hard work/running stats set us apart from everyone, but it’s become a feature of everyone's game now.

[123EasyasBFC]

If JBG hadn’t had the injuries he’s had there’s no way he would have spent 8 years at Burnley

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Massengo is a defensive midfielder and potentially next season in the championship could be good for him if he gets a chance

We’ll see. This lad has a Graham Branch feel he gets better the more he doesn’t play.

[warksclaret]

Jack is a true professional and I can tell he is frustrated but very diplomatic. Agree with another poster here that maybe VK might/should have said 12 months ago he was unlikely to play in the PL and try to find another club. My memories of Jack is under Laws when he looked a hell of a prospect, and secondly in midfield with Defour. They complimented each other pefectly. I hope he finds a good move

[warksclaret]

If JBG hadn’t had the injuries he’s had there’s no way he would have spent 8 years at Burnley

I dont feel too bad about JBG going.The club has shown good loyalty to a player who had had his share of injuries

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We’ll see. This lad has a Graham Branch feel he gets better the more he doesn’t play.

That’s fairly standard for all players though

That’s why I said if he gets a chance, a season in the championship will hopefully help him develop

[bobinho]

We’ll see. This lad has a Graham Branch feel he gets better the more he doesn’t play.

Whilst I understand your point, and at the risk of adding fuel to your fire, I can’t help but think you’ve chosen the wrong player to make your point. Di Branchio was more than capable, very versatile and a really good team player.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Whilst I understand your point, and at the risk of adding fuel to your fire, I can’t help but think you’ve chosen the wrong player to make your point. Di Branchio was more than capable, very versatile and a really good team player.

Yes Branch probably not the best example but this board has a thing about making players who sit on the bench or out of the squad into world class players!