Sonne & Broja

[dougcollins]

With his fitness record signing Broja was a massive gamble. Particularly on a 4 year contract and the reported money involved.

I've no idea how that happened.

Pretty much universally slated in his previous employments.

[dandeclaret]

Like the manager was….. plenty of impatient, over reactive fans who love to post hot takes at many clubs.

[Juan Tanamera]

Cool story

Far out.

[box_of_frogs]

I don't understand how it takes so long for young men who must train most days & go the gym & do all the right things to reach this mythical match ready that's frequently talked about. I'd suggest given the track record in hand if you are waiting this long for something to happen it's unlikely to happen & if it does it'll be fleeting before another injury rinse & repeat.

Totally agree. It’s outrageous to expect a professional sportsman to even attempt to put a shift in for however long.

Cack touch and not quite with it, I can condone. Not putting in 100%, I can’t.

[Juan Tanamera]

It is a dumb stat.

Just be nice if some of the usuals could show a tiny bit of patience.

Unfortunately the 'usuals' are quite likely those who took great pleasure in booing Tresor in last seasons final home game.

[Jakubs Tash]

I’ve not read every single post on this thread…but I genuinely don’t think Broja was anywhere near as poor as most seem to be making out. Yes, he wasn’t great; but who was in last nights disjointed team?!

There were a couple of occasions where he looked rusty and lacked match-sharpness but there were also a few occasions where he made space in dangerous areas and where he also took the ball well in tight areas. But these occurrences seem to have been conveniently forgotten by a good few folk. For someone who has had his lack of minutes and lack of fitness, I don’t think he was terrible.

Those of you that were expecting a 15-20 goal PL striker to hit the ground running are in cloud cuckoo land.

Furthermore, quite a few poster have marked Zian with 6’s and made particular reference as to how he was one of the better performers last night. He took his goal really well but other than that I thought he was poor. Always a yard too slow, bullied by their centre half and indecisive. It feels grossly unfair Broja is getting all the pelters.

Now, Sonne has had a few chances and certainly hasn’t taken one. For a full back who plays international football in midfield you would expect his passing to be a strong suit of his…but it isn’t. He doesn’t have pace and he’s not strong defensively. So I’m struggling to see what he brings to the table and how he has strengthened the squad (apart from just being another body).

These two weren’t the only reason for last night’s debacle, there were other poor performances. But as these two are in the subject title…

[Jakubclaret]

Totally agree. It’s outrageous to expect a professional sportsman to even attempt to put a shift in for however long.

Cack touch and not quite with it, I can condone. Not putting in 100%, I can’t.

It's what we all knew though beforehand about his checkered past I'm not sure checkered is the correct word I can't recall anything good. It struck me as a surprise around the same time we was in for him random unnamed posters making up their own valuations of a steal & some of us saying he's constantly injured & not match fit with no end product. Lo & behold the euphoria is now dampened with reality.

[boatshed bill]

Goals win games, as we know, so why don't a few of you look at the highlights and see just how bad Tuanzebe was for both Cardiff goals

[CrosspoolClarets]

And there we have it… the return of Southgate’s England, it’s been a while!

That same Achilles heel you moaned about all last season when we went 33 games unbeaten and claimed 100 points.

The same one that leads you to moan Edwards isn’t starting every Premier League game (3 duels won out of 12 last night against League One opposition).

As for ‘fans turning’ soon - deary me.

Sorry for the delay replying to this.

Last season I was slating Parker from Oct to Jan and then praising him from Feb to May. It really was a season of two halves and he redeemed himself.

This season there has to be more pragmatism, I agree with that. But the blueprint was Frank’s Brentford when they came up - defensive shape but lightening breaks and attacking changes. I hope we do that, but it feels sporadic, and I feel his defensive mindset takes over, even when we are not ahead (e.g. last 20 mins Forest). He needs to be braver, and certainly did need to last night.

You tell us a lot when mentioning Edwards’ duels. That isn’t his game, he is there to create and score. That’s why I like him a lot (and Tresor). He got the assist. He looked devoid of confidence, but actually defensively he won as many aerial duels as any (2), only Pires made more interceptions. Offensively he made almost as many passes and touches as Flemming and Broja combined, and had way more dribbles than anyone. But his heatmap shows more time in our half than theirs. https://www.whoscored.com/matches/19461 ... ey-cardiff

That’s the problem I have with our tactics when at home against lesser teams.

(and why on this thread about Sonne and Broja I don’t think we should single out players, the tactics and club’s desire were to blame). That was the reason for my lunchtime post.

I’m not knocking those who love to see ultra-defence. It that floats your boat, great. But there has to be a balance or fans will turn. Last season, from Feb to May, Scott (who I like) found it. I hope he does again.

[Spike]

Broja needs games. No pre season. No u21 games. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt although he looked absolutely terrible and had no first touch.

Sonne isn’t a championship footballer let alone prem.

Tresor was the one stand out. But we won’t be seeing him again now we are out of the cup.

This is exactly why we need a cup run to get game time for the squad
Seriously dischuffed we didn’t compete. Wrexham next round then in last 8
Bobbins

[warksclaret]

WE need to get Broja sharp and match fit, as he needs to be challenging Foster and genuinely jockeying for the starting 11. He has been with us for the best part of two months, come to us I believe injury free, trained everyday, played two cup games, been abroad with Albania and featured for them, but what was clear as day he is still miles from the ability and sharpness for which we made a major commitment. If it means playing him in the U-21's for a few games so be it, or arranging friendlies to give the Tuesday night starting 11 game time then the coaches should organise. Otherwise I see us getting well into the season and he remains on the bench as he lacks sharpness. We can ill afford another player failing to fulfill his potential

[Clive 1960]

Parker saying we have to be patient with Broja has he hasn't played a lot of football for over two years, then we should have signed someone who was ready to hit the ground running as we can't afford to carry passengers...

[dandeclaret]

Parker saying we have to be patient with Broja has he hasn't played a lot of football for over two years, then we should have signed someone who was ready to hit the ground running as we can't afford to carry passengers...

Cos it’s just that easy……

[Clive 1960]

Cos it’s just that easy……

That's why Barnes is on the bench...

[Jakubclaret]

Cos it’s just that easy……

It is. Let's not pretend other targets weren't available but for some strange reason we opted for this 1. Sargeant being the main 1 heavily linked amongst others.

[Big Vinny K]

Sorry for the delay replying to this.

Last season I was slating Parker from Oct to Jan and then praising him from Feb to May. It really was a season of two halves and he redeemed himself.

This season there has to be more pragmatism, I agree with that. But the blueprint was Frank’s Brentford when they came up - defensive shape but lightening breaks and attacking changes. I hope we do that, but it feels sporadic, and I feel his defensive mindset takes over, even when we are not ahead (e.g. last 20 mins Forest). He needs to be braver, and certainly did need to last night.

You tell us a lot when mentioning Edwards’ duels. That isn’t his game, he is there to create and score. That’s why I like him a lot (and Tresor). He got the assist. He looked devoid of confidence, but actually defensively he won as many aerial duels as any (2), only Pires made more interceptions. Offensively he made almost as many passes and touches as Flemming and Broja combined, and had way more dribbles than anyone. But his heatmap shows more time in our half than theirs. https://www.whoscored.com/matches/19461 ... ey-cardiff

That’s the problem I have with our tactics when at home against lesser teams.

(and why on this thread about Sonne and Broja I don’t think we should single out players, the tactics and club’s desire were to blame). That was the reason for my lunchtime post.

I’m not knocking those who love to see ultra-defence. It that floats your boat, great. But there has to be a balance or fans will turn. Last season, from Feb to May, Scott (who I like) found it. I hope he does again.

That’s the problem with statistics - you can pull out certain ones to support your argument. In the first half I think the vast majority of fans watching would agree that Edwards was poor…..very poor. He was eased off the ball and fell over looking for a foul 3 or 4 times. His passing was awful - he looked lost against a team who he should be dominating. Second half I thought he actually started to look a bit better - partly because Cardiff themselves began to sit far too deep. Against Derby in the last round he has another poor game.

I thought Edwards made a massive difference when we signed him last season. Thought he was great and I actually thought he would do well in the league as he had close control, could shift the ball quickly and could pick out a pass and shoot.

I have no idea why Parker started with that team and the way he set us up. Nearly everyone of the starting eleven cost more than the Cardiff team put together. But that means zilch when you start with 2 left backs and a defensive approach. The fact we had very little on the bench limited our ability to change the momentum of the game too.

The other thing that was clearly an issue was how disjointed we looked. Most of these players are not playing competitive games. It’s a big issue with this under 21 structure in the games and the big squads clubs like Burnley have. You can have 15 players easily who are not getting any competitive football for months and months.