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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:03 pm

JonBerro wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:59 pm
You can interview multiple candidates before making a decision
That tweet was from yesterday, If it was advanced it's been going on for at least two days, that time scale sees Pace abroad so I very much doubt it

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:34 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:56 pm
The idea is to find the correct mix of both. Pragmatic and entertaining!
And in budget...... and with a unicorn as a new matchday mascot...... and a partnership with disneyworld to do pre match entertainment.

It's like saying, I want a 12 bedroomed detached house, in it's own private grounds, with a garage for the 4 ferrari's I own, whilst working just 8 hours a week, taking photos of Lions. Shouldn't be that hard should it?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Blakesboots » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:44 pm

If you’ve got that much and working 8 hours a week, you’re working too much!

I think there’s a manger of two out there that could be a unicorn.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:47 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:41 am
And ain't that the rub.....
How big is Bodo Glimt budget.
I would hope he would get a bigger budget at Burnley. It's an eye for talent, and the ability to mould a team that matters.

He's shown he has the last 2, so he would be my preferred choice, but it might take more than a couple of windows to find what he wants.

All hypothetical, but he would be my choice.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:16 pm
One of the gems of that side made the KRBFC scouting list months ago, Ola Solbakken, incredible talent.
Why has no one heard of him then?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:58 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:47 pm
How big is Bodo Glimt budget.
I would hope he would get a bigger budget at Burnley. It's an eye for talent, and the ability to mould a team that matters.

He's shown he has the last 2, so he would be my preferred choice, but it might take more than a couple of windows to find what he wants.

All hypothetical, but he would be my choice.
If you got a £1 to spend in Cambodia, and £5 to spend in London, would you expect that your bigger budget would allow you do do more or less? A bigger budget, is only relevant when compared to it's magnitude compared to the rest of the market around you.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:02 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 pm
Why has no one heard of him then?
Who’s no one?

Half of Bodo’s team have been nicked by European clubs in recent years. Hauge went to AC Milan, Botheim went to the Russian Prem, left back Bjorkan went to Hertha Berlin, star midfielder Patrick Berg (someone I’d hope we’d signed for our midfield) went to RC Lens and Zinkernaggel went to Watford (now at Forest on loan who are flying in the Champ).

Solbakken will be the next to go.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by spt_claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:13 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 pm
Why has no one heard of him then?
A lot of people hadn't heard of Cornet or Weghorst,both players with significantly bigger profiles, until we signed them. Not many people had heard of Mahrez or Kante before Leicester, or of Maupay before Brentford. As more eyes watch more leagues and especially more data is logged, more left field signings should be expected.
For example - there's a 20 year old winger by the name of Lucas da Cunha on loan at Clermont from Nice, who hasn't played tons but from the (very limited data size due to limited playing time) analytical data/statistical data could be/have been a decent fit for us, especially if we go down. Left field gamble, but a relatively cheap one.
Not saying we should sign him, or he'd be a success, or that you can go off data alone- you want data and traditional scouting combined. Just saying that in the modern world it's not all that surprising if you start seeing more random players get picked out at more obscure clubs.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:14 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 pm
Why has no one heard of him then?
What do you mean why has no1 heard of him?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:16 pm

I watched his International debut for Norway, came on as a sub. Watched him a bunch in the Europa this season, where he's the 2nd highest scorer.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Boss Hogg » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:19 pm

Having thought about it other than a change I’m not certain what Wilder would give us over Dyche.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:28 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:19 pm
Having thought about it other than a change I’m not certain what Wilder would give us over Dyche.
Modern system 3-5-2 / 3-4–1-2 variant. Took Sheff from League 1 to PL in a few seasons and finished top 7 in the PL. Following season wasn’t great but clearly something went wrong with transfers / behind the scenes + I think Sheff really missed the home crowd due to covid. Stability if we do go down as he’s had success at that level. What needs to be improved on with Dyche is results over the past 18 months which surely is manageable.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:40 pm

I'd risk Kjetil Knutsen 100 times before appointing Wilder
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:14 pm
What do you mean why has no1 heard of him?
Is he a high profile player?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:51 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:42 pm
Is he a high profile player?
Not sure on the relevance, Jeremy Doku and Eduardo Camavinga weren't high profile players when I mentioned them on here, now they're 2 of the most high profile youngsters in the world.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:53 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:40 pm
I'd risk Kjetil Knutsen 100 times before appointing Wilder
After watching his utter collapse at Sheff Utd, I'd be inclined to try someone different too
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:56 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:53 pm
After watching his utter collapse at Sheff Utd, I'd be inclined to try someone different too
Wilder spent 20+ million on that kid from Liverpool and then complained he had no money. Not the right guy for us imho
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:57 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:42 pm
Is he a high profile player?
to be fair, everyone should know who Solbakken is. He's high enough profile that i've heard of him over here

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Gaia » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:27 pm

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:27 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:53 pm
After watching his utter collapse at Sheff Utd, I'd be inclined to try someone different too
That’s a tad harsh.

They lose O’Connell to injury who was their best player, they downgraded Henderson with Ramsdale who I don’t rate as high (still don’t) and lost most of their games by a single goal while in second season syndrome. Their players were often League 2 or League 1 playing far above themselves and form dipped.

In contrast Burnley have a far better squad now than the Blades had.

I would be more concerned if Wilder’s unique system had been found out, but I’m not sure that was the case. My mind is open to him but also happy to have a foreign manager with the right attributes (excellent English, good knowledge of PL/Championship and a good tactician and motivator - all four essential).
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:29 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:27 pm
That’s a tad harsh.

They lose O’Connell to injury who was their best player, they downgraded Henderson with Ramsdale who I don’t rate as high (still don’t) and lost most of their games by a single goal while in second season syndrome. Their players were often League 2 or League 1 playing far above themselves and form dipped.

In contrast Burnley have a far better squad now than the Blades had.

I would be more concerned if Wilder’s unique system had been found out, but I’m not sure that was the case. My mind is open to him but also happy to have a foreign manager with the right attributes (excellent English, good knowledge of PL/Championship and a good tactician and motivator - all four essential).
i stopped reading and taking you seriously after you said you don't rate Ramsdale. thank god your not a scout or coach.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by spt_claret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:32 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:29 pm
i stopped reading and taking you seriously after you said you don't rate Ramsdale. thank god your not a scout or coach.
There's a big difference between saying you don't rate someone, and saying you don't rate them as highly as someone else.
I would agree that Henderson looked better than Ramsdale at Sheffield. Since then, Henderson's hardly played while Ramsdale has become Arsenal's first choice so it's hard to compare them.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by jedi_master » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:40 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:29 pm
i stopped reading and taking you seriously after you said you don't rate Ramsdale. thank god your not a scout or coach.
In fairness, Ramsdale was absolute crap for the Blades, nobody (bar Arteta, clearly) could foresee what he would do for Arsenal. I live and work in Chesterfield and know loads of Blades, they could not believe someone was willing to buy him - much less believe they could make a profit. He was accountable in their eyes for plenty of the crucial moment goals that ultimately relegated them.

Get them talking about Wilder on the other hand? Absolute legend who they are still incredibly bitter/sad about that their owner parted ways with him.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:55 pm
Hmm, his posts do suggests a combination of exclusives that aren't true and retweets of actual journalists

Course, Wilder is the best of a bad bunch if we are going down that road, but its not one I agree with
I agree. Wilder is a lazy appointment and one I'd be underwhelmed with. He had a couple of good seasons at Sheffield U, but he's also had his share of meh and failure. I'd like to see us going rather more unconventional with somebody like Kompany.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:54 pm

Sacking Dyche and getting Wilder is like getting rid of your nits and then getting crabs a week later.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Papabendi » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:02 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:52 pm
I agree. Wilder is a lazy appointment and one I'd be underwhelmed with. He had a couple of good seasons at Sheffield U, but he's also had his share of meh and failure. I'd like to see us going rather more unconventional with somebody like Kompany.
I think you need to do more research. He has a track record of success at every club he's managed and he's had a few.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KlyBfc » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:04 pm

The way I see this is. Wilder gives us arguably the most likely chance of bouncing back (knows and has had succes in the champ). However he is similar in some ways (Style slightly different ) to Dyche and that might mean more of the same but a safer option.

Knutsen, Kompany etc… give us the unknown and arguably a greater chance of developing the whole club, playing style and maybe reaching slightly higher peaks more consistently etc.. However the adverse is it could all go pear shaped and they aren’t successful and we flounder about in the champ.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:09 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:02 pm
I think you need to do more research. He has a track record of success at every club he's managed and he's had a few.
I agree with you…. I don’t know why he’s being lumped in with Allardyce, Hughes, Pulis et al

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:12 pm

Nixon just replied to someone on Twitter who asked how the European trip went, saying we don’t seem to be closer to anything right now.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:12 pm

KlyBfc wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:04 pm
The way I see this is. Wilder gives us arguably the most likely chance of bouncing back (knows and has had succes in the champ). However he is similar in some ways (Style slightly different ) to Dyche and that might mean more of the same but a safer option.

Knutsen, Kompany etc… give us the unknown and arguably a greater chance of developing the whole club, playing style and maybe reaching slightly higher peaks more consistently etc.. However the adverse is it could all go pear shaped and they aren’t successful and we flounder about in the champ.
If I was Alan Pace I'd cut it down to these three to interview

1st - Diego Martinez
2nd - Kompany
3rd - Knutsen
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:13 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:54 pm
Sacking Dyche and getting Wilder is like getting rid of your nits and then getting crabs a week later.
:shock:

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:19 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:02 pm
Who’s no one?

Half of Bodo’s team have been nicked by European clubs in recent years. Hauge went to AC Milan, Botheim went to the Russian Prem, left back Bjorkan went to Hertha Berlin, star midfielder Patrick Berg (someone I’d hope we’d signed for our midfield) went to RC Lens and Zinkernaggel went to Watford (now at Forest on loan who are flying in the Champ).

Solbakken will be the next to go.
The build up suggests a major club in world football awaits him. Take out Milan and the rest are no more successful than us. Is this how they get their move away then?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Elizabeth » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:23 pm

We'd never heard of Dyche so from that angle it doesn't matter.
We are run by Americans and that matters a great deal !!!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:28 pm

the yanks do not have a clue. we are in trouble.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Elizabeth » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:33 pm

So much trouble that I even have to agree with you
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretspice » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:34 pm

I also have no problem with the concept of Wilder - he's got a very fine track record.

But I'd be amazed if he wanted to trade Boro for Burnley given that he's done well at Boro and has the nucleus of a decent team there - particularly at a time when they're in with a shout of the play offs and are arguably as likely as we are to be in the Premier League next season - and I'd be even more amazed if Steve Gibson, who is not known for rolling over, was willing to release him at this juncture. It feels like a non-starter for me at least until the summer, and if we are both in the Championship I'd still be surprised if Wilder saw the move to Burnley as being a step up to be worth the aggro that goes with swapping jobs.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by NewClaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:36 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:12 pm
Nixon just replied to someone on Twitter who asked how the European trip went, saying we don’t seem to be closer to anything right now.
If that’s true & we had nobody lined up, something has clearly happened.

No way we sack an experienced manager with a proven track record in these situations, and hand over the reigns to one without for several crucial games, if something hasn’t gone wrong.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:43 pm

Turkish journo Ekrem Konur (189k followers) suggesting we are interested in bringing in Slaven Bilic.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by bumba » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:55 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:36 pm
If that’s true & we had nobody lined up, something has clearly happened.

No way we sack an experienced manager with a proven track record in these situations, and hand over the reigns to one without for several crucial games, if something hasn’t gone wrong.
Dyche gave his loyalty to Stone over the club, it'll all come out in the wash

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Spijed » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:58 pm

claretspice wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:34 pm
I also have no problem with the concept of Wilder - he's got a very fine track record.

But I'd be amazed if he wanted to trade Boro for Burnley given that he's done well at Boro and has the nucleus of a decent team there - particularly at a time when they're in with a shout of the play offs and are arguably as likely as we are to be in the Premier League next season - and I'd be even more amazed if Steve Gibson, who is not known for rolling over, was willing to release him at this juncture. It feels like a non-starter for me at least until the summer, and if we are both in the Championship I'd still be surprised if Wilder saw the move to Burnley as being a step up to be worth the aggro that goes with swapping jobs.
I suppose it depends if managers treat jobs like many would in the outside world. He might consider moving if we were to pay him a better salary.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Blakesboots » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:01 pm

Personally, I would like us to offer the role to Emma Hayes. She is a premier league coach in the making!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:58 pm
I suppose it depends if managers treat jobs like many would in the outside world. He might consider moving if we were to pay him a better salary.
You think pace can size up to Steve Gibson, no chance middlesborough are probably a similar sized club to ours but without the saturated catchment area of the northwest, 1 of 3 up in the northeast no disrespect to darlo or Pools & hull are slightly further down geographically.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretandy » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:08 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:43 pm
Turkish journo Ekrem Konur (189k followers) suggesting we are interested in bringing in Slaven Bilic.
I would be happy with Bilic.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KefkaClaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:14 pm

I don't think Bilic is the man to keep us up or get us promoted next season. He struggled to get West Brom promoted.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by eastcoastclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:18 pm

Who has put their 50p on Rooney, now at 5/2

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by firstclaret » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:25 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:27 pm
That’s a tad harsh.

They lose O’Connell to injury who was their best player, they downgraded Henderson with Ramsdale who I don’t rate as high (still don’t) and lost most of their games by a single goal while in second season syndrome. Their players were often League 2 or League 1 playing far above themselves and form dipped.

In contrast Burnley have a far better squad now than the Blades had.

I would be more concerned if Wilder’s unique system had been found out, but I’m not sure that was the case. My mind is open to him but also happy to have a foreign manager with the right attributes (excellent English, good knowledge of PL/Championship and a good tactician and motivator - all four essential).
Wasn’t Wilder’s system, Alan Knill devised it.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:30 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:14 pm
I don't think Bilic is the man to keep us up or get us promoted next season. He struggled to get West Brom promoted.
Struggled ??????

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Loyal Supporter » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:37 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:05 pm
You think pace can size up to Steve Gibson, no chance middlesborough are probably a similar sized club to ours but without the saturated catchment area of the northwest, 1 of 3 up in the northeast no disrespect to darlo or Pools & hull are slightly further down geographically.
Boro's population is 140k. Nearly twice ours, and they have had nothing like our success.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:05 pm

claretandy wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:08 pm
I would be happy with Bilic.
I wouldn't. Can't expect to reach prior standards when you've been away so long.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:07 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:57 pm
to be fair, everyone should know who Solbakken is. He's high enough profile that i've heard of him over here
Fair enough. I've not.

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