Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Rileybobs]

Frankly, I pay what I'm charged for anything I wish to buy.

Presumably you don’t pay £250k more than what someone is asking for something just to get it a bit quicker?

[Vegas Claret]

our scouting network just got a massive shot in the arm with Kompany joining, I doubt we'll be overpaying for anyone

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Had anyone seen this harwood bellis play or is he a youth player?

[louieollie]

Had anyone seen this harwood bellis play or is he a youth player?

He's the current England U21 captain and has been for some time, looks pretty solid and composed without being spectacular.........perfect for little old Burnley

[RVclaret]

Had anyone seen this harwood bellis play or is he a youth player?

Seen him for the England under 21s recently and he looked very composed, was actually the skipper too. A Rovers supporting mate said he’s a very good player, they had him on loan the season before last. Definitely not a youth player and will likely be a regular starter if City are loaning him.

[Smile]

Had anyone seen this harwood bellis play or is he a youth player?

19 appearances for them down the road, 16 games for Anderlecht and 22 games on loan at Stoke. So he's had some experience for a 20 year old.

[boatshed bill]

Presumably you don’t pay £250k more than what someone is asking for something just to get it a bit quicker?

That would depend on how badly I wanted it.
But I would say that hesitation can be costly.

[boatshed bill]

Again, we’re operating in the real world here. The only two options are not 1.) pay more than what the selling club want or 2.) sign the next Dale Stephens.

If we pay half a million more than our valuation of this player we will have half a million less to spend on someone else. We may also have eyes on a player who will cost us half a million more and is better than this one.

Let's not forget that we will be making a profit on Collins, who we need to replace ASAP as it seems he will be off.

[ClaretAL]

Seen him for the England under 21s recently and he looked very composed, was actually the skipper too. A Rovers supporting mate said he’s a very good player, they had him on loan the season before last. Definitely not a youth player and will likely be a regular starter if City are loaning him.

According to VK in part 3 interview "borrowing" or loans are the last resort, so may be a buy.

[Colburn_Claret]

Yeah let’s just get on with it and spend half a million more on every player we want to sign. That won’t in any way linit our ability to strengthen the squad to its best potential. Genuinely don’t think some of you live in the real world.

That's a reasonable pov, but if this lad is as good as some reports make out, 2 million would be a steal.
We can't have it both ways. He's either good enough, so worth 2 million, or not worth 2 million, so obviously not good enough.
I don't know enough about him to have an opinion, but even an average championship player has to be worth a couple of million quid, and if he comes anywhere near potential will be a considerable asset, monetarily.

[RVclaret]

https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/sporting/raf ... s-salonica

Portuguese press saying we are keen on Rafael Camacho from Sporting Lisbon. Don’t know much about him other than he’s a winger and hasn’t lived up to expectations there. They’ve agreed a loan to buy deal with Aris in Greece but the player is delaying his decision due to our apparent interest.

[FeedTheArf]

https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/sporting/raf ... s-salonica

Portuguese press saying we are keen on Rafael Camacho from Sporting Lisbon. Don’t know much about him other than he’s a winger and hasn’t lived up to expectations there. They’ve agreed a loan to buy deal with Aris in Greece but the player is delaying his decision due to our apparent interest.

Another who was at City for 3 years, had a couple of years at Liverpool before moving to Sporting. 19 appearances in 2019 but seems to have lost his way since then with a couple of bit part loan moves.

The linked article says a loan followed by €3m agreed with the Greek club which seems high given the level he’s played at the last few years.

[TsarBomba]

https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/sporting/raf ... s-salonica

Portuguese press saying we are keen on Rafael Camacho from Sporting Lisbon. Don’t know much about him other than he’s a winger and hasn’t lived up to expectations there. They’ve agreed a loan to buy deal with Aris in Greece but the player is delaying his decision due to our apparent interest.

I work with a Portuguese lad who was in the Sporting Lisbon academy when he was a kid, I’ll get the low down.

[FeedTheArf]

Just noticed that Sporting paid €7m for him in 2019 so they’ll be looking to recoup as much as possible. Still only 22 and Kompany will know about his attitude and personality so plenty of potential there, especially if it’s a loan with an option to buy.

[TsarBomba]

I work with a Portuguese lad who was in the Sporting Lisbon academy when he was a kid, I’ll get the low down.

Had the following to say:

-winger
-technical
-quick
-poor passer
-poor finisher
-more of a dribbler than crosser
-was on loan at another Portuguese side last year that got relegated and would cost somewhere in the region of 3mil

[eastcoastclaret]

https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/sporting/raf ... s-salonica

Portuguese press saying we are keen on Rafael Camacho from Sporting Lisbon. Don’t know much about him other than he’s a winger and hasn’t lived up to expectations there. They’ve agreed a loan to buy deal with Aris in Greece but the player is delaying his decision due to our apparent interest.

Looking like we could have a very cosmopolitan squad this season.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Camacho hasn’t made many appearances yet at senior level, if he is indeed a target then it would suggest that this one is perhaps an example of the develop and sell on mantra, as he really isn’t pulling up any trees it would seem

[NewClaret]

Looks very raw. Can’t see the harm in it if it’s a loan with with an option to buy?

[HalifaxClaret]

Had the following to say:

-winger
-technical
-quick
-poor passer
-poor finisher
-more of a dribbler than crosser

Sounds identical to Cornet.

[mybloodisclaret]

Sounds identical to Cornet.

Yeah you're right there. That's why he won goal of the season???

[jedi_master]

Camacho hasn’t made many appearances yet at senior level, if he is indeed a target then it would suggest that this one is perhaps an example of the develop and sell on mantra, as he really isn’t pulling up any trees it would seem

He’s played:

21/22 - Belenenses (Portuguese top flight - season loan) 16 league games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 1 cup game.

20/21 - Rio Ave (Portuguese top flight - loan from January 21 to end of season) 11 league games, 3 goals

19/20 - Sporting Lisbon (Portuguese top flight) 19 league games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 9 cup games with 1 goal

So he’s played quite a bit for a lad who turned 22 a couple of weeks ago really.

[HalifaxClaret]

Yeah you're right there. That's why he won goal of the season???

He scored some very good goals but missed a lot of easier chances. Still like him mind.

[mybloodisclaret]

Again, been done to death.... but if only he scores that pen at West Ham..... Class player though, even better before Afcon

[Hedontplayforyou]

He’s played:

21/22 - Belenenses (Portuguese top flight - season loan) 16 league games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 1 cup game.

20/21 - Rio Ave (Portuguese top flight - loan from January 21 to end of season) 11 league games, 3 goals

19/20 - Sporting Lisbon (Portuguese top flight) 19 league games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 9 cup games with 1 goal

So he’s played quite a bit for a lad who turned 22 a couple of weeks ago really.

I just went off what in read on wiki, compare him to our Dwight and there’s a huge contrast mind you.

[FeedTheArf]

He’s played:

21/22 - Belenenses (Portuguese top flight - season loan) 16 league games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 1 cup game.

20/21 - Rio Ave (Portuguese top flight - loan from January 21 to end of season) 11 league games, 3 goals

19/20 - Sporting Lisbon (Portuguese top flight) 19 league games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 9 cup games with 1 goal

So he’s played quite a bit for a lad who turned 22 a couple of weeks ago really.

Didn’t realise those clubs were in the top flight. No idea on Portuguese football so not sure of the level but as Kompany would say “trust the process”.

[Nori1958]

Again, been done to death.... but if only he scores that pen at West Ham..... Class player though, even better before Afcon

Or the open goal at Norwich

[Tricky Trevor]

Or the open goal at Norwich

Season changer was that.1-1 we could have gone on to win. Shocking defeat against an awful team.

[Nori1958]

Season changer was that.1-1 we could have gone on to win. Shocking defeat against an awful team.

Totally agree....

[TsarBomba]

Forgot to post it yesterday, but John Percy of The Telegraph reporting Millwall have put a bid in for Lewis Ferguson at Aberdeen.

Not sure if it’s because of his performance against us, but I’ve always thought he was someone we should look at? Unless he’s gone off the boil a bit?

[jedi_master]

I just went off what in read on wiki, compare him to our Dwight and there’s a huge contrast mind you.

Oh for sure, not comparable to the likes of Dwight. I think it’s a reasonable amount of games for the standard of club he is at was my point really, with a couple of loans too.

Sporting fans are not very complimentary about him from what I can see, but with the calibre of wingers they have had turn out for them, they probably have slightly higher expectations than us

[colne-claret]

Seeing lots of comments about Cornets penalty miss and Norwich miss. Its not fair to single him out for these, we'd be a lot worse of without his other goals that he scored this season. The reason we down this season was because over 38 games we were not good enough and rightly deserved to be relegated. The whole team was not good enough but Cornet was the one bright spark even if his form did go downhill after Afcon.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Seeing lots of comments about Cornets penalty miss and Norwich miss. Its not fair to single him out for these, we'd be a lot worse of without his other goals that he scored this season. The reason we down this season was because over 38 games we were not good enough and rightly deserved to be relegated. The whole team was not good enough but Cornet was the one bright spark even if his form did go downhill after Afcon.

I actually think it was the exit of Chris Wood that was the reason for his downturn in form.

[colne-claret]

I actually think it was the exit of Chris Wood that was the reason for his downturn in form.

One of the most underappreciated strikers in my lifetime.

[Newcastleclaret93]

One of the most underappreciated strikers in my lifetime.

I agree, I watched the highlights of Some of Cornets goals the other day and it’s interesting how much involvement Wood had in all of them. Little things like making runs that dragged defenders to open space for Cornet etc…

[Newcastleclaret93]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18938089 ... 1655671874

Looking likely Collins is leaving

[ksrclaret]

A shame, as Collins would have been the best CB in the Championship next season.

Not surprised he's getting interest. Hope we get a huge fee for him.

[NewClaret]

[Murger]

If there was a release clause, it wouldn't say we're looking for a profit.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If there was a release clause, it wouldn't say we're looking for a profit.

Why wouldn’t it?

We will still make a very healthy profit

[Lancasterclaret]

If there was a release clause, it wouldn't say we're looking for a profit.

So you reckon we agreed a £12 million release clause, on a 21 year old player we just signed for £12 million?

That is the hill you are happy to die on?

[Conroy92]

Said it a few weeks ago and a poster on here disagreed but surely Collins is in the 25-30m pound mark right now. A great debut season in the top flight, quite a few years left on his contract, bags of potential and young. Also that goal at international level may have turned a few heads at a good time.
What I would say is no one knows if this is the height of his value, he could actually be at his peak value right now, an average championship season likely seems him fall back to the 15-20m pound mark whereas a good/great championship season likely sees his value stay similar rather than increase. He's gonna need another season or two showing it in the top flight again for his value to rise past where it is now. What I'm trying to say is if we can get 25-30m right now I think it's a good deal all around as we might need the funds to reinvest. I hope we wouldn't consider any deal under £20m though.

[DCWat]

Said it a few weeks ago and a poster on here disagreed but surely Collins is in the 25-30m pound mark right now. A great debut season in the top flight, quite a few years left on his contract, bags of potential and young. Also that goal at international level may have turned a few heads at a good time.
What I would say is no one knows if this is the height of his value, he could actually be at his peak value right now, an average championship season likely seems him fall back to the 15-20m pound mark whereas a good/great championship season likely sees his value stay similar rather than increase. He's gonna need another season or two showing it in the top flight again for his value to rise past where it is now. What I'm trying to say is if we can get 25-30m right now I think it's a good deal all around as we might need the funds to reinvest. I hope we wouldn't consider any deal under £20m though.

His value is only going one way and it’s not down. I was hoping that we’d at least have one of Mee or Collins come the start of the season - it’s looking like a rookie pairing in the middle now.

[NewClaret]

His value is only going one way and it’s not down. I was hoping that we’d at least have one of Mee or Collins come the start of the season - it’s looking like a rookie pairing in the middle now.

Yeah it is and that completely changes my thoughts on chances of an immediate return.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yeah it is and that completely changes my thoughts on chances of an immediate return.

Take Pope out and Roberts out and I say it effectively ends the chances.

[FeedTheArf]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18938089 ... 1655671874

Looking likely Collins is leaving

It is, but interestingly there’s no mention of a release clause as some earlier articles alluded to.

Sounds like there could be a few clubs interested which can only be a good thing in driving the price up.

Would’ve loved to have seen him develop with us but he’s a class above the Championship. I’d expect us to deal at £20m with a decent sell on clause.

[Spijed]

His value is only going one way and it’s not down. I was hoping that we’d at least have one of Mee or Collins come the start of the season - it’s looking like a rookie pairing in the middle now.

Even if we keep Collins he's still relatively inexperienced so we'd still have the problem of going into next season with two naive centre halves.

[mybloodisclaret]

Or the open goal at Norwich

Good point, although Norwich did us 2-0, I take the point that if that goes in the whole game changes.

[mybloodisclaret]

Seeing lots of comments about Cornets penalty miss and Norwich miss. Its not fair to single him out for these, we'd be a lot worse of without his other goals that he scored this season. The reason we down this season was because over 38 games we were not good enough and rightly deserved to be relegated. The whole team was not good enough but Cornet was the one bright spark even if his form did go downhill after Afcon.

I posted about the peno miss, although followed it up with how great he is. I am not bagging Max off at all. I love him to bits, I think he is a superb player and love watching him play.

[NewClaret]

Take Pope out and Roberts out and I say it effectively ends the chances.

Not really sure how you can be talking about our chances being over before you know who we sign or a ball has been kicked

It all depends on who we get in, but I’m not at all convinced that THB, the Oxford chap or Swansea guy are the calibre of players we need. We can’t sell a player that cost us £12m and replace them with some £1m bargain buys and expect to be solid defensively! Any of the aforementioned alongside Collins and we’d be okay but not a new partnership.

[mybloodisclaret]

Said it a few weeks ago and a poster on here disagreed but surely Collins is in the 25-30m pound mark right now. A great debut season in the top flight, quite a few years left on his contract, bags of potential and young. Also that goal at international level may have turned a few heads at a good time.
What I would say is no one knows if this is the height of his value, he could actually be at his peak value right now, an average championship season likely seems him fall back to the 15-20m pound mark whereas a good/great championship season likely sees his value stay similar rather than increase. He's gonna need another season or two showing it in the top flight again for his value to rise past where it is now. What I'm trying to say is if we can get 25-30m right now I think it's a good deal all around as we might need the funds to reinvest. I hope we wouldn't consider any deal under £20m though.

Gave a like as exactly my thoughts.