Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[123EasyasBFC]

No mention of an obligation on the club statement?

All the reports say it’s a 20m obligation

[AfloatinClaret]

I think a lot of footballers get through the lower levels of football due to their physical attributes
Then they get to a level where players can compete with that and it becomes obvious that there not very good footballers or not at the level their physicality got them to

Agree with that. Being seriously quick can take any half way decent player as far as the Championship, but that's not enough in the Premiership because almost everyone is seriously quick.there.

[123EasyasBFC]

https://x.com/richcawleyslp/status/1829 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

Shock another loan with obligation rejected, this time for Fleming at millwall

[Goliath]

https://x.com/richcawleyslp/status/1829 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

Shock another loan with obligation rejected, this time for Fleming at millwall

Didn't we try to get him last season as well? I'm guessing this is a club target if so not a manager target

[123EasyasBFC]

We can’t keep offering loans with obligations, not every club wants to take loans out on future payments

[GetIntoEm]

I expect we are playing big time Charlie tricks with these loan offers, everyone knows we've got money now. Theyll want it up front

[randomclaret2]

Didn't we try to get him last season as well? I'm guessing this is a club target if so not a manager target

My thoughts entirely...they're working their way down the list as desperation sets in...

[Commy]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

[ISpeds00]

Zian Flemming is a good player in a terrible side
I'd take him

Also Maxwell Cornet reported - i'd take him too

[Murger]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

Yep, I’d agree with that.

[123EasyasBFC]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

Whittaker and Fleming don’t play the same position

[brazilianclaret]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

Or that they're focusing on multiple targets, some of which won't be public/rumoured - especially at this stage of the window not going to put all their eggs in one basket and will have lots of agents coming to them with players that are available as well as the ones they have identified

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

Isn’t Fleming a midfielder?

[summitclaret]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

Or we are putting pressure on Rooney.

[billyhamilton82]

Working the way down the list means that Whittaker has been crossed off.

Not neccessarily.

Could be testing Plymouth's nerve as its obvious we've received information that they're willing/have to sell.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Whittaker and Fleming don’t play the same position

I do think they are being signed for the same position.

The number 10 role

[forzagranata]

Around 100 million brought in by player sales.

And now Pace is trying to replace with loan deals.

Speaks volumes.

[ISpeds00]

If Burnley want Whittaker they will get him

[123EasyasBFC]

I do think they are being signed for the same position.

The number 10 role

Do you not think Whittaker is because the club think they are losing Vitinho and benson. I think Whittaker could actually play as a 9.

Where as Flemming is just a number 10

[The Shire Claret]

Yep, I’d agree with that.

Or - it’s to possibly show they will look elsewhere to play poker with Plymouth on Whittaker ?

[RVclaret]

Around 100 million brought in by player sales.

And now Pace is trying to replace with loan deals.

Speaks volumes.

They are loans with obligations. It means we are committed to the full amount, just structured slightly different. Just like with Tresor and Esteve. Surely this concept isn’t new to people by now?

[burnley007]

Fleming and Whittaker would help.

Get that fancy Brazilian in too and things will be looking up.

[Steddyman]

I’m beginning to really dislike Sacha. He is clearly spreading sh*y at the behest of agents to try and push through a deal. No doubt he’s getting a commission for posting them too. With these new signings he’s going to be out of the loop so this is his last big pay day for BFC

[The Shire Claret]

Around 100 million brought in by player sales.

And now Pace is trying to replace with loan deals.

Speaks volumes.

Is it not to play in our favour with FFP ?

[123EasyasBFC]

Around 100 million brought in by player sales.

And now Pace is trying to replace with loan deals.

Speaks volumes.

If we wanted to be positive about the owners, maybe it’s because they don’t want to over pay for anyone thinking we have loads of money after the sales.

But it’s ALK they are doing it on the cheap

[Commy]

Whittaker is a 10 but Plymouth have been playing him on the right.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Do you not think Whittaker is because the club think they are losing Vitinho and benson. I think Whittaker could actually play as a 9.

Where as Flemming is just a number 10

No, I think Koleosho on the right with Anthony/Sarmiento on the left.

Parker is definitely looking for a number 10. Whittaker has played that role a fair bit in his career.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I actually think the Flemming deal has some legs in it.

Millwall are currently in the process of breaking there transfer record for Ivanovic.

If we offer the right amount I think we could secure his services

[123EasyasBFC]

No, I think Koleosho on the right with Anthony/Sarmiento on the left.

Parker is definitely looking for a number 10. Whittaker has played that role a fair bit in his career.

Sarmiento also played on the right on Tuesday, having multiple options is fantastic.

Whittaker and flemming would be fantastic, one of them would be nice

[Row x]

They are loans with obligations. It means we are committed to the full amount, just structured slightly different. Just like with Tresor and Esteve. Surely this concept isn’t new to people by now?

Exactly. A big loan fee means they get a large sum in 1st year, probably more than a normal transfer

[Paddy1882]

Any chance we are putting loan with obligation bids in to register interest, make the player and agent aware of interest and then make a cash offer when Vitinho goes through or is that wishful thinking?

[louieollie]

Why be so abusive??
I don't get it.

Who exactly am I supposedly being abusive too ?

YOU don't get it ...............I'm confused

[claretspice]

I suspect the FFP implications of these loan to buy deals are complicated and potentially work as much for sellers as buyers. I don't think it's as simple as just pushing the purchase onto the following years accounts because of the way transfer fees are amortised. But I'm no accountant.

Zian Flemming and Whittaker are very different players, but what I will say is that Flemming reminds me a lot of Billing in terms of how he operates as a 10. He is good with his back to goal and that may be something that makes sense in bringing the best out of Foster - assuming he remains with us.

[claret3561]

Is the sarmiento deal still on surely it should have been done by now

[gandhisflipflop]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

[Oldparkwood]

Is the sarmiento deal still on surely it should have been done by now

Look how long the Antony deal took to get over the line

[123EasyasBFC]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

Extremely optimistic

[billyhamilton82]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

If Carlsberg did the last day of the Transfer Window

[Elizabeth]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

That would be a helluva good day however unlikely it seems tonight

[Newcastleclaret93]

I suspect the FFP implications of these loan to buy deals are complicated and potentially work as much for sellers as buyers. I don't think it's as simple as just pushing the purchase onto the following years accounts because of the way transfer fees are amortised. But I'm no accountant.

Zian Flemming and Whittaker are very different players, but what I will say is that Flemming reminds me a lot of Billing in terms of how he operates as a 10. He is good with his back to goal and that may be something that makes sense in bringing the best out of Foster - assuming he remains with us.

I didn’t fully understand it when listening to a podcast on this very topic, but my basic understanding is that it does exactly that. It pushes the amortisation into the next financial year rather than this one.

[burnley007]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

Now that sounds fun.

[ISpeds00]

I'd tell leeds to stick it with Benson

[Murger]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

If only. But you can add Laurent to that list too.

[gandhisflipflop]

I can hope!

[Conroy92]

@longsideclaret any news?

[morninbob]

I'd tell leeds to stick it with Benson

I'd offer him to Plymouth to get Whittaker.

[claret3561]

I need all incomings completed tonight as I'll be driving upfrom gloucester tomorrow and will miss all the updates. Alan pace really doesn't care about us fans

[Elizabeth]

Regardless of reasons for this and reasons for that I would think we are in a better position than most Championship clubs to boost the squad further tomorrow.
Time is the biggest factor for me

[claretburns]

Ins tomorrow

Whittaker
Fleming
Sarmiento
Fernandes


Outs

Mcnally
Benson
Vitinho

And all ins done by 12 so they can be in the squad on Saturday.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Got to be time to take a calculated risk now. Get Whitaker and Flemming in for the cost of selling Odobert.

If we're adrift in January, Luca is there to balance it out if needed.

These loan to buy deals are just insulting clubs and making us look ridiculous.