Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just seen Nixon has done an almighty back track on that keeper

[NewClaret]

Its a difficult one Newcastle, but we don't appear to have the funding to go for more proven players.I think also if and when we go up we need to be structured in a way that we can survive, and not do a Norwich. Personally I would be happy to spend a few years developing in the Championship to get it right, lose the bulk of our debt and go up with a very good squad

I’m not sure spending any prolonged period in the Championship would be good for our debt. Unless you mean by selling all our Prem quality players now to fund the reduction, then rebuilding?

In which case, I’d think that was very risky. Right now we’re an attractive prospect for players and arguably other clubs in terms of loans. We will be perceived as challengers for promotion, have Kompany, new attacking style, etc. If we don’t regain promotion fairly quickly and/or lose VK along the way, it’s not difficult to see us falling back in to obscurity like so many before us.

Personally I think this year is our best chance of bouncing back and to help improve the chances we should hang on to as many of our best players as possible. Promotion is worth so much more than any fees we could obtain and we of course would need those players to stand any chance of survival if we made it.

I think we’ve done well this window, albeit might’ve felt more comfortable with the odd seasoned Championship player to balance out the youth/potential. Also agree a statement proven/PL-class signing would be nice but there’s no way on earth that those guys move this early in the window so too early to say on that front.

It’s a fine balance & not sure we’ve got it quite right yet. Cullen would help on that front though.

[NewClaret]

Just seen Nixon has done an almighty back track on that keeper

Muric?

[Bigvince]

This is the lad we need to sign

Elijah Oluwalana from Luton 6 feet 4, 24 years old, and we'd make a fortune in shirt sale's charging 50p a letter with his full name on the back

Elijah Anuoluwapo Oluwaferanmi Oluwatomi Oluwalana

You’ve forgotten the S you’d need on his last name if he signed for us

[KRBFC]

The problem is; there might not be an Andre Gray available.

Also if you look at his career trajectory it’s not dissimilar to what we are trying to do with the players we are bringing in. We could have got Gray for 1/5 of what we paid had we gone for him 12 months earlier.

The problem being he wasn't good enough 12 months earlier, it took 12-18 months for him to develop to then score 25+ and there's nothing to say that was guaranteed, infact most young players don't realise their true potential.

[TickTock]

Muric?

No he said we were looking to bring in Muric as number 1 and a free agent as a number 2 but the free agent just signed for reims

[NewClaret]

Thanks TickTock.

[Swizzlestick]

He says we missed out on the keeper ‘due to Brexit’. He outrageously has a Patreon now so I don’t know what he means by that, maybe work permit stuff.

[kentonclaret]

I keep reading we need a 20-25 goals striker.Every team in the league would like that.Who is he,where is he and what is he valued at.?

Very difficult to make the top 3 in the Championship unless you have a striker capable of getting you 20 goals plus in a season. Aside from last seson in 2020/21 Norwich had one of the leading scorers in Pukki and 3rd placed Brentford had Ivan Toney in their ranks.

During the early part of the 2015/16 season Burnley looked anything but title contenders and Bookies Coral pushed us out to 33/1 for the Championship title when I placed a chunky Each Way bet safe in the knowledge that the signing of Andre Gray was imminent. The bet was struck on the 22nd August 2015 so the season was well underway. Without Gray's goals that season we would have been nowhere near winning the title that season.

[Ric_C]

Bloody hell Dande, I'm going to go and slit my wrists in a minute

[KRBFC]

We need to cut our cloth accordingly, and I am impressed in the speed and manner in which we are securing new players. As I have previously said we are looking for the next Jarrod Bowen whilst at Hereford rather than the one at Hull who sold sold him for a fee rising to £25m. We are looking for the next Ollie Watkins whilst at Exeter, not the one at Brentford (sold to Villa for fee climbing to £33m), or the next Ivan Toney bought for £5m. I am confident with regular game time and coaching we will have several outstanding players on our hands who will improve, like Collins has,leaving us with some real assets. Lets face it other than Pope no one has been snapping our hands off to take one of our players, not even Cornet or McNeil

Takes years for those players to develop though and how many of them really develop and realise their true potential? can't be many. You need to really spend money for it to work successfully, scoop up the top end talent, Collins was £12m and will sell for £30m this summer, Collins had games in the Championship, considerably different to signing a guy with 20? League One appearances for peanuts, that's not to say the League One kid wont come good but which is the better investment of the two? Collins (12 months ago) all day every day because you get the benefit of having a top end player in your side rand he's also further along in his development, more experienced at a higher level and has shown a considerably higher ceiling (12 months ago). You'd bet your house on Collins (12 months ago) selling for big money over Mcnally (now).

[Ric_C]

Nathan Collins only has 58 league appearances in his career

[summitclaret]

We'd never have a song for him because we'd never agree on how to say his name

Correct. Couldn't even agree on Wood(s).

[boatshed bill]

Nathan Collins only has 58 league appearances in his career

I doubt he'd have played a PL game if not for injuries or suspensions.

[Mattster]

Nathan Collins only has 58 league appearances in his career

And a lot of those at Championship level were at right back.

[Mattster]

He says we missed out on the keeper ‘due to Brexit’. He outrageously has a Patreon now so I don’t know what he means by that, maybe work permit stuff.

12 points from club football and as far as I can work out 7 points from international football would easily pass the GBE threshold of 15 points to qualify for a work permit.

[Funkydrummer]

I doubt he'd have played a PL game if not for injuries or suspensions.

I'll go along with that - similar to McNeil's scenario really.

[Nori1958]

12 points from club football and as far as I can work out 7 points from international football would easily pass the GBE threshold of 15 points to qualify for a work permit.

Do you think we might be working it out wrong on here, seeing that it's now happened to two players now..... Allegedly

[Top Claret]

What are you basing him not being mentally strong enough on?

Always limping off with the slightest knock. Needs to toughen up and play through like the rest of the lads do.

[Rileybobs]

Not sure why people think Dan is being negative. For what it’s worth I’m more excited about this coming season than the last - but that’s because it’s a change of scenery, we have a lot of new players and because of the sheer unknown. Just a few points which I think summarise why some people, myself included, are trying to add a bit of balance;

- There are a lot of people suggesting that the signings this window are better than under the previous regime. This just isn’t the case. More exciting, maybe - but that’s due to their age, potential and the fact they are unknown quantities. The ‘boring’ signings we made in the PL were proven better players at that particular stage of their career. That’s just a fact.

- This claim that our current squad is going to walk the league is just ridiculous. I’ve seen a few people suggest it. We may win the league, who knows - but these people are claiming it despite not having seen half of our signings play. We have an unproven squad and an unproven manager, suggesting we’ll walk the league is based on nothing but blind faith.

- The idea that we should build a squad for a few seasons and then get promoted is far fetched. It’s a nice idea, quite idealistic - but the fact is that for each season we spend out of the PL, the more difficult the task to get there becomes. The financial chasm becomes greater as we lose parachute payments, the teams relegated in the meantime will all have an advantage, and our best players - and if he performs, our manager - may all move to pastures new. I’ve got a few Hudds supporting mates who were saying that they didn’t really want to get promoted last season as they weren’t ready - well I bet they wish they had now.

So let’s stop with the criticism of negativity for people who are just trying to balance out some of the ridiculously wild, and I would suggest arrogant claims. We can all look forward to the coming season without wetting our pants about signings from league one or PL U23 squads. We’ve been spoilt for quality over the past decade and I think some of you will be in for a surprise.

[Spijed]

Kante also turned into one of the PLs best ever defensive midfielders!

I think Cullen is a very safe bet - no I'm not expecting the second coming of Kante but I trust VKs judgement on CMs seen as he literally played with some of the greatest to ever grace the game and has managed Cullen for what 2 seasons?

Also, it shows that players must like playing for VK and rate him as a manager, if they're willing to immediately jump ship to where VK is headed to!

As yet no-one has a clue as to whether VK is a good judge of a player simply because he's never managed here before. Until the season kicks off nobody can make any judgements.

[arise_sir_charge]

See here’s the rub, I can’t recall seeing many or any posts where people are claiming we will walk the league.

[RVclaret]

Riley it’s all well and good praising dandeclaret for his constant ‘realism’ but he fails to back it up. Claims to sign ‘Andre Gray II’ - who is this player(s)? Do you have any ideas? Jed Wallace on a free, well we were in for him, but did we really want to offer a 30k a week salary for 4 years to a 28 year old?

I agree the ‘walk the league’ comments are arrogant/silly (though I think there’s maybe been 2 posters say this) but by all accounts suggesting our squad is good enough to contend for the top 2 isn’t far fetched and is quite realistic.

On the other hand, people are excited about our business because we are signing exciting, young players with a modern, progressive manager who will look to develop them alongside our experienced existing core.

Your comment re. not as good as previous signings, well, we were in the Premier League then, so you’d hope those signings at that level would be of a higher quality? As it happens, signings in recent seasons such as Stephens were simply not good enough and led to our downfall. So that point doesn’t make sense to me.

[beddie]

Otherwise know as Eli.

[Stevie Morgan]

Folks it's OK to be excited. It's OK to be skeptical. The summer is going much better than many people expected given the financial situation, the proof will be in the pudding. Enjoy the promise of a fresh start and get behind our new team and manager.

[Lancasterclaret]

Everyone is excited btw

Just some of us are looking at the squad and who we have lost, and thinking "Huge shoes to fill there"

[jackmiggins]

Blah, blah, blah. Can we please have single sentence rumours or confirmations?

[Rileybobs]

Riley it’s all well and good praising dandeclaret for his constant ‘realism’ but he fails to back it up. Claims to sign ‘Andre Gray II’ - who is this player(s)? Do you have any ideas? Jed Wallace on a free, well we were in for him, but did we really want to offer a 30k a week salary for 4 years to a 28 year old?

I agree the ‘walk the league’ comments are arrogant/silly (though I think there’s maybe been 2 posters say this) but by all accounts suggesting our squad is good enough to contend for the top 2 isn’t far fetched and is quite realistic.

On the other hand, people are excited about our business because we are signing exciting, young players with a modern, progressive manager who will look to develop them alongside our experienced existing core.

Your comment re. not as good as previous signings, well, we were in the Premier League then, so you’d hope those signings at that level would be of a higher quality? As it happens, signings in recent seasons such as Stephens were simply not good enough and led to our downfall. So that point doesn’t make sense to me.

I’m not praising Dan, I’m just agreeing in the main with his angle. I don’t think we should be spending large sums on quality players - but the reason I don’t is because we aren’t in a financial position to do so.

What I have taken exception to, and I think Dan is similar - is people lauding our current strategy of losing our best players and replacing with young unproven potential for very low sums of money, above our previous strategy that saw us spend the majority of a decade in the Premier League. This change of strategy is largely due to necessity because of the division and financial position we find ourselves in.

[RVclaret]

Blah, blah, blah. Can we please have single sentence rumours or confirmations?

Do you post anything else other than this? It’s quite interesting. I only see you on this thread complaining about the discussion and asking for rumours.

I think you’d be better following newsnow?

https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Footb ... ip/Burnley

[Rileybobs]

What gives you the right to tell people to put their expectations in check?

People can feel and say what they want regards their thoughts of how we will finish...none of us actually know

It is actually nice for a change that fans are excited, the feeling we may win more than we lose, play a different brand of football, have more access to the squad through social media, no more boring soundbites by the manager, players that can make themselves into our new hero's

Why on earth would you want to spend your life telling people what to think? How sad and pathetic are you

Mods - I think this is where reasonable debate crosses the line into everyone’s favourite word ‘bickering’.

[Ric_C]

As it stands in our first team squad we have:

12 players who have held their own in the premier League

4 players who have played to a decent standard at an equivalent level of the championship or on the fringes of the premier League

2 players who excelled at the league below who are both young and full of potential

3-4 players from the youth development who may or may not step up, time will tell

[RVclaret]

I’m not praising Dan, I’m just agreeing in the main with his angle. I don’t think we should be spending large sums on quality players - but the reason I don’t is because we aren’t in a financial position to do so.

What I have taken exception to, and I think Dan is similar - is people lauding our current strategy of losing our best players and replacing with young unproven potential for very low sums of money, above our previous strategy that saw us spend the majority of a decade in the Premier League. This change of strategy is largely due to necessity because of the division and financial position we find ourselves in.

Some of our best signings over that decade were in the ‘unproven’ category / signed from the level lower / top academy u23s - I think of Pope, JBG, Heaton, Arfield, Hendrick, Wood, Mee, Trippier, Ings and Austin to name a few.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Agreed Lancaster but I look it as we have lost Bardsley, Pieters, Lennon, Stephens, Vydra, Wout who are all very easily replacable. All squad players who bar Vyds none had any chance of lighting up the championship

Mee replaced by Collins as such, his natural progression

Tarks by Taylor Harwood Bellis

Pope who knows so far

We have brought in Twine who was League One player of the year, Mcnally as back up I would suspect and will learn as understudy to the England U21 captain and Collins a fully fledged international with now Prem experience and showing he can play a level higher.

CJ another who is back up I suspect to Roberts but will be good competition for the spot and eventually lined up to become a CH.

Bastion a midfielder we have been crying out for a long time but luckily having Brownhill who can play that advanced role there will be no rushing him.

Cullen coming in who knows how to operate in VKs desired system so he will be the gel that moulds the system together. He will know THB and their movement will already be coached into them.

We need a Keeper granted, but an England keeper like Pope? Yes it would have been great but sadly he owes us nothing and he has left. We dont need to sign a Pope, we need someone at our financial level which is what I think we will get, not bothered about Hennessey, nothing in his career suggests he is a No 1 bar his form for Wales, never really duplicated in his club games

Yes we are a striker missing...but we have time, the bigger deals are the hardest to get over the line. Also Barnes and Jay will score goals at this level, we will have attacking midfielders who I would hope can bag 10 a piece throughout the season in McNeil, Twine and Cornet (Yes...Cornet, he is the one I am hoping beyond hope will stay, he could be the difference)

All this talk of players like Collins, McNeil, Brownhill Cornet leaving is pure conjecture, clubs have to meet our demands or sell on clauses, so far...no one has, so in my head they are staying, so when I look at the squad they are involved and are what I am judging how I think we will do next year

[Rileybobs]

Some of our best signings over that decade were in the ‘unproven’ category / signed from the level lower / top academy u23s - I think of Pope, JBG, Heaton, Arfield, Hendrick, Wood, Mee, Trippier, Ings and Austin to name a few.

I wouldn’t disagree with that - but the majority of those were signed to get us out of the Championship. Granted some of them were instrumental in keeping us there. But I don’t think we’re disagreeing on this point. My post was aimed at those who criticised our previous transfer policy which was extremely successful despite being quite underwhelming on the surface.

[arise_sir_charge]

’ My personal opinion is that we are one marquee signing away from winning the league.’

That’s just from this morning. If I had the inclination I could go back and find more. I think one poster even used the term ‘walk the league’. Considering there are still pieces of the jigsaw missing (goalkeeper, striker) - and half of our starting eleven will be unknown quantities, these are wild claims. I don’t see anything wrong with people pointing out how daft some of these claims are, if for nothing else than to dampen expectation.

The quote you have quoted is actually a fair bit removed from “we will walk the league”.

The reason people are excited is because it’s fresh and it’s new, it’s different than where we have been for a good few years and whether you like it or not the whole place was stale. What should be a release was becoming a chore to a lot of folk.

The output on the field was dull, the output in the media was dull with the same sound bytes well on week.

What is happening now may or may not be successful but it’s different, the element of the unknown is something to look forward to and I for can’t wait for Huddersfield away. If we’d have been doing the same old same old I’d likely not have bothered!

The last time I felt like I do now in a pre season was the Coyle promotion season and what a year that turned out to be.

[Lancasterclaret]

The quote you have quoted is actually a fair bit removed from “we will walk the league”.

The reason people are excited is because it’s fresh and it’s new, it’s different than where we have been for a good few years and whether you like it or not the whole place was stale. What should be a release was becoming a chore to a lot of folk.

The output on the field was dull, the output in the media was dull with the same sound bytes well on week.

What is happening now may or may not be successful but it’s different, the element of the unknown is something to look forward to and I for can’t wait for Huddersfield away. If we’d have been doing the same old same old I’d likely not have bothered!

The last time I felt like I do now in a pre season was the Coyle promotion season and what a year that turned out to be.

Some of us on here remember how that went on here when it started badly as well!

Dan was one, I was another, but there wasn't a lot of people on here willing to give him time after that poor start

Hopefully we all give VK more time than some did then!

[Cleveleys_claret]

I wouldn’t disagree with that - but the majority of those were signed to get us out of the Championship. Granted some of them were instrumental in keeping us there. But I don’t think we’re disagreeing on this point. My post was aimed at those who criticised our previous transfer policy which was extremely successful despite being quite underwhelming on the surface.

The problem was was that we have no transfer policy since we got into Europe (and pre AP era), before very successful, after, no real interest to develop, no more players brought in to be the next successor for each position, instead aging players who were actually older than the players already with the shirt, which is why we lost out on getting fees for the likes of Tarks and McNeil when they were at their peak, because Dyche knew the type of players Garlick would force upon him

[Rileybobs]

The quote you have quoted is actually a fair bit removed from “we will walk the league”.

The reason people are excited is because it’s fresh and it’s new, it’s different than where we have been for a good few years and whether you like it or not the whole place was stale. What should be a release was becoming a chore to a lot of folk.

The output on the field was dull, the output in the media was dull with the same sound bytes well on week.

What is happening now may or may not be successful but it’s different, the element of the unknown is something to look forward to and I for can’t wait for Huddersfield away. If we’d have been doing the same old same old I’d likely not have bothered!

The last time I felt like I do now in a pre season was the Coyle promotion season and what a year that turned out to be.

If you read the opening paragraph of my original post you’ll see that I feel exactly the same as you about the forthcoming season. My post was aimed at those claiming we will win, or even walk the league. And those claims have been fairly regular throughout the transfer threads.

[Cleveleys_claret]

If you read the opening paragraph of my original post you’ll see that I feel exactly the same as you about the forthcoming season. My post was aimed at those claiming we will win, or even walk the league. And those claims have been fairly regular throughout the transfer threads.

Just let people dream, what impact does it really have on your life if people are getting excited

[Hedontplayforyou]

Any rumours?

[RVclaret]

Any rumours?

No rumours aside from Cullen right now.

[FCBurnley]

Cornet could easily score 20 plus in The Champs but will he stay and an he stay fit

[KRBFC]

Bastion a midfielder we have been crying out for a long time but luckily having Brownhill who can play that advanced role there will be no rushing him.

With respect I think this is what Dande and Riley are saying, you say he's the midfield genius we've been crying out for but you can't even spell his name? Have you even seen him play?

[Bullabill]

See here’s the rub, I can’t recall seeing many or any posts where people are claiming we will walk the league.

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:29 pm
That first 11 walks the championship in my opinion.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Transfer rumours thread is going well as usual!!

[Cleveleys_claret]

With respect I think this is what Dande and Riley are saying, you say he's the midfield genius we've been crying out for but you can't even spell his name? Have you even seen him play?

Where have I said genius? Stop over egging what people have said. You will also see I said I think he will be understudy to Brownhill for a while but lets not quote what I actually said.

I dont know how this signing will pan out, but I am 'hopeful' that he will end up a better use of our finances than Dale Stephens was

[warksclaret]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1136135824?-919:978

Seems like Muric's current club could be keen on retaining himm

[RVclaret]

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1136135824?-919:978

Seems like Muric's current club could be keen on retaining himm

His current club is City. Adana are the team he was on loan at last season. That news was a week or so ago from the Athletic, that they were keen to keep him but that we were negotiating a deal with City - been quiet since then mind.

[RVclaret]

Belgian press suggesting that we’ve had a bid turned down from Anderlecht for 19 year old keeper Verbruggen, believed to be around 3m euros.

[tiger76]

Belgian press suggesting that we’ve had a bid turned down from Anderlecht for 19 year old keeper Verbruggen, believed to be around 3m euros.

Hmm! I'm all for playing youth, but the prospect of a 19 year old keeper behind an inexperienced CB pairing would concern me TBH.