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[CoolClaret]

I’m not a Lampard fan, but I really don’t get the ridicule he gets on here. I think the only full season he had was at Derby, and he very nearly took them up. He’s also done quite well blooding young players

Re read the thread then - been plenty of reasons as to why nobody wants Frank.

[roperclaret]

Sorry he also had a full season at Chelsea and finished 4th

[roperclaret]

Re read the thread then - been plenty of reasons as to why nobody wants Frank.

I did, I don’t think they are Football reasons

[CoolClaret]

I did, I don’t think they are Football reasons

I think not wanting a manager that failed to get Derby promoted with one of the most expensive Championship budgets of all time, then well on his way to relegating Everton are legitimate football reasons.

Also it's another appointment that would have the club being referred to as "Frank Lampard's Burnley" - he isn't a Burnley manager for me one bit and I think that opinion is shared among the vast majority of the fanbase.

[HahaYeah]

Kompany may have put a word in for Lampard.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Kompany may have put a word in for Lampard.

If he has then Frank won't get an interview

[HahaYeah]

If he has then Frank won't get an interview

You think things are that toxic with Pace and Kompany?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Kompany hasn’t given any words to Pace.

[roperclaret]

I think not wanting a manager that failed to get Derby promoted with one of the most expensive Championship budgets of all time, then well on his way to relegating Everton are legitimate football reasons.

Also it's another appointment that would have the club being referred to as "Frank Lampard's Burnley" - he isn't a Burnley manager for me one bit and I think that opinion is shared among the vast majority of the fanbase.

That Derby team was pretty much made up of Journeymen and loans. That Everton team was a basket case.

I think your final paragraph confirms my point

[claretonthecoast1882]

You think things are that toxic with Pace and Kompany?

Toxic might be a strong word but I don't think Kompany's word is much use to anyone who backed him so much for the last 2 seasons

[CoolClaret]

That Derby team was pretty much made up of Journeymen and loans. That Everton team was a basket case.

I think your final paragraph confirms my point

It doesn't matter what they were made up of. Go and check out the wages they paid - and the loan players featured a future UCL winner, Scudetto Winner and a PL regular.

A 'basket case' team that Dyche has just returned 48 points with after having to sell more players? You know, the manager we once had?

I think your final sentence just shows your ignorance in all honesty, what's that supposed to mean? Punch down on fellow Clarets - good one.
There's a lot of knowledgable fans in our fan base - even go and look at stuff like the player ratings for the season and the consensus always ends up being pretty spot on. We know our football, there's fans of this great club that has quite literally seen it all.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think not wanting a manager that failed to get Derby promoted with one of the most expensive Championship budgets of all time, then well on his way to relegating Everton are legitimate football reasons.

Also it's another appointment that would have the club being referred to as "Frank Lampard's Burnley" - he isn't a Burnley manager for me one bit and I think that opinion is shared among the vast majority of the fanbase.

I get what you’re saying Coolclaret.

But let’s give it a bit of context, Lampard spent 11m that season with Derby. In comparison to VK he spent around 40m and had a squad of players that had just spent 6 years in the prem.

I agree his time at Everton left a lot to be desired but I think there’s also a lot going on behind there scenes there that were mental. He still ended up with a PPG stats of 1. That was considerably higher VK achieved here in the prem.

He wouldn’t be my first choice but I also don’t think he should be totally dismissed.

[CoolClaret]

I get what you’re saying Coolclaret.

But let’s give it a bit of context, Lampard spent 11m that season with Derby. In comparison to VK he spent around 40m and had a squad of players that had just spent 6 years in the prem.

I agree his time at Everton left a lot to be desired but I think there’s also a lot going on behind there scenes there that were mental. He still ended up with a PPG stats of 1. That was considerably higher VK achieved here in the prem.

He wouldn’t be my first choice but I also don’t think he should be totally dismissed.

Look at the wages Derby paid in that era. They paid PL wages for some players - obscene contracts.

VK sold to buy and the keh difference is that he/we romped the league... Frank finished 6th on 74 points, which is 2 points lower than we did in 08/09 with Coyle.

[HahaYeah]

Kompany hasn’t given any words to Pace.

How could you know that?

They could have had a casual conversation at any time before BM came in.

[roperclaret]

It doesn't matter what they were made up of. Go and check out the wages they paid - and the loan players featured a future UCL winner, Scudetto Winner and a PL regular.

A 'basket case' team that Dyche has just returned 48 points with after having to sell more players? You know, the manager we once had?

I think your final sentence just shows your ignorance in all honesty, what's that supposed to mean? Punch down on fellow Clarets - good one.
There's a lot of knowledgable fans in our fan base - even go and look at stuff like the player ratings for the season and the consensus always ends up being pretty spot on. We know our football, there's fans of this great club that has quite literally seen it all.

Dyche kept that team up by 1 place and 2 points.

What do you mean by punch down? All I’m saying is that a lot of people don’t want Frank because of the man not the manager in my opinion. And let me make it clear, he wouldn’t be my choice either.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Look at the wages Derby paid in that era. They paid PL wages for some players - obscene contracts.

VK sold to buy and the keh difference is that he/we romped the league... Frank finished 6th on 74 points, which is 2 points lower than we did in 08/09 with Coyle.

All I can see is a wage bill of just under 20m that season?

[CoolClaret]

All I can see is a wage bill of just under 20m that season?

Look a bit harder mate.

https://priceoffootball.com/derby-count ... al%20staff

[claretonthecoast1882]

All I can see is a wage bill of just under 20m that season?

Their wage bill in 2017/18 was just shy of 50m.

They done well to then lose 30m of their wage bill and pay for the 3 loan players

[Devils_Advocate]

Look a bit harder mate.

https://priceoffootball.com/derby-count ... al%20staff

Thats the wrong season. Lampard managed 18/19 when their wages were about 8th in Division and they had a net spend of £0

[CoolClaret]

Thats the wrong season. Lampard managed 18/19 when their wages were about 8th in Division and they had a net spend of £0

The point I was making is that it was an expensive squad assembled over the course of a few seasons and that for the latter part of Mel Morris' tenure they paid daft money for players and that Frank underwhelmed there.

[HahaYeah]

If Cooper, Moyes,Potter, are unlikely, then out of:

Robins, Lampard, Parker,
Rosenior,Still,Knutsen,Wicky,
Nistelrooy, Bellemy,
Corberan,Terry,

Lampard isn't looking too bad.

[Devils_Advocate]

The point I was making is that it was an expensive squad assembled over the course of a few seasons and that for the latter part of Mel Morris' tenure they paid daft money for players and that Frank underwhelmed there.

You said they had one of the most expensive Championship budgets of all time when they had the 8th highest wage spend and their transfer spend was nothing that season, about £10m the year before and about £1m the year before that.

[ClaretPete001]

Management is a dark art. We've had 4 or 5 in my Burnley watching lifetime who have done inexplicably well but done nothing anywhere else.

And we've had managers who have failed and we've even had Eddie Howe who did ok but went on to be possibly the most highly regarded English manager currently working in the PL.

All the things that made VK great in the EFL like self belief, the ability to have a plan and expedite it. An unshakeable belief in the plan and the ability to communicate the plan worked really well in the Championship where he had the best players but became an achilles heel in the PL when the plan began to fail because he didn't have the best players. No point in having an unshakeable faith in a plan that is sh*te...!

You fancy a Moyes because he has experience but would Moyes cope with Pace or visa versa. I don't know it is hard to tell. And I don't fancy Lampard because I just think he needs to be an assistant manager for a while and learn his trade.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Their wage bill in 2017/18 was just shy of 50m.

They done well to then lose 30m of their wage bill and pay for the 3 loan players

Lampard wasn’t in charge that season?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Look a bit harder mate.

https://priceoffootball.com/derby-count ... al%20staff

Wrong season

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wrong season

That season they had about 20 players leave.

[clarethomer]

Management is a dark art. We've had 4 or 5 in my Burnley watching lifetime who have done inexplicably well but done nothing anywhere else.

And we've had managers who have failed and we've even had Eddie Howe who did ok but went on to be possibly the most highly regarded English manager currently working in the PL.

All the things that made VK great in the EFL like self belief, the ability to have a plan and expedite it. An unshakeable belief in the plan and the ability to communicate the plan worked really well in the Championship where he had the best players but became an achilles heel in the PL when the plan began to fail because he didn't have the best players. No point in having an unshakeable faith in a plan that is sh*te...!

You fancy a Moyes because he has experience but would Moyes cope with Pace or visa versa. I don't know it is hard to tell. And I don't fancy Lampard because I just think he needs to be an assistant manager for a while and learn his trade.

Was watching this video earlier and what I took from the video is how there is a learning curve in management and where a manager is less experienced, looking at historic performance is less predictable to determine the future ones.

https://youtu.be/jLdhDE73HUU?si=qjsUbZlIonY7bwok

[Commy]

I read somewhere that they are using AI, or whatever it's called, to find someone compatible, so it could be someone not even in the betting.

[DCWat]

I read somewhere that they are using AI, or whatever it's called, to find someone compatible, so it could be someone not even in the betting.

Where did you read that!?

[HahaYeah]

Here is the list of favourites to take over at Leicester City

*Odds correct as of 7:30am UK time, May 29, 2024

Carlos Corberan 9/4
Graham Potter 3/1
Steve Cooper 5/1
David Moyes 8/1
Oscar Garcia 8/1
Carlos Cuesta 10/1
Liam Rosenior 10/1
Marti Cifuentes 11/1
Mark Robins 12/1
Rob Edwards 14/1
David Wagner 16/1
Esteban Cambiasso 16/1
Frank Lampard 16/1
Gerhard Struber 16/1
Mauricio Pochettino 16/1
Michael Carrick 16/1
Scott Parker 16/1
Will Still 16/1
Jose Mourinho 20/1
Kjetil Knutsen 20/1

[Woodleyclaret]

John Terry ?

[CoolClaret]

I read somewhere that they are using AI, or whatever it's called, to find someone compatible, so it could be someone not even in the betting.

I bloody hope not...

[giveusaB]

Ole Gunnar Solskjær with Mike Phelan as his assistant.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Lampard wasn’t in charge that season?

I didn't say he was, but the wage bill that season was almost 50m, you are claiming it was under 20m the next season under Lampard

[williamjblazkowicz]

I bloody hope not...

I just played that same game with ChatGPT. It seemed to search a few sites and come up with the names being touted now: Parker, Lampard, van Nistelrooy, Cooper, and Moyes! I asked for a more sexy appointment and it suggested Marco Bielsa and Roberto Martinez, haha.

[CoolClaret]

I just played that same game with ChatGPT. It seemed to search a few sites and come up with the names being touted now: Parker, Lampard, van Nistelrooy, Cooper, and Moyes! I asked for a more sexy appointment and it suggested Marco Bielsa and Roberto Martinez, haha.

Interesting! My attempt obviously it just used it's training data...

[Commy]

Where did you read that!?

Can't remember, but I definitely read it earlier in the week.

[jojomk1]

Neil Warnock
With Jepson and Blackwell

[123EasyasBFC]

Why an earth has Bellamy gone to 10/1

[IanMcL]

Neil Warnock
With Jepson and Blackwell

[Venkys4eva]

Why an earth has Bellamy gone to 10/1

Someone probably put 50p each way on him

[warksclaret]

Neil Warnock
With Jepson and Blackwell

Be fine if we had a vets team

[agreenwood]

I read somewhere that they are using AI, or whatever it's called, to find someone compatible, so it could be someone not even in the betting.

I read somewhere that they’ve sent a signal into space asking for advice and won’t be appointing a permanent manager until they hear back.

[Firthy]

I read somewhere that they are using AI, or whatever it's called, to find someone compatible, so it could be someone not even in the betting.

I've just put a tenner on Alexa getting the job

[BurnleyFC]

Steve Bruce now second favourite.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s a sad state of affairs that unless a name comes out of nowhere that Parker and Lampard are our only options

[helmclaret]

Parker has two promotions. Wouldn’t be my first choice but at least he has a track record and knows both leagues.

[gandhisflipflop]

Steve Bruce now second favourite.

No he’s not stop making crap up

[Murger]

Saw someone on FB mentioning Thierry Henry. Ridiculous.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Parker has two promotions. Wouldn’t be my first choice but at least he has a track record and knows both leagues.

Also not my first choice but as you say at least he has a track record of getting promoted with his sides playing decent football.