Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

No. That's too weak.
We hold out for our valuation. Obviously they will try to lower the price but balls to them.
also VK has made his decision now so that outcome is no longer under our control.

What happens if they move on though could be very damaging if where stuck with someone who doesn’t want to be here.

[johnnyjones]

BBC seem to think that Craig Bellamy won’t be going with VK!

Caretaker for us maybe?

Has he not already left the club so says CT??

[boatshed bill]

What happens if they move on though could be very damaging if where stuck with someone who doesn’t want to be here.

He won't be staying.

[forzagranata]

BBC seem to think that Craig Bellamy won’t be going with VK!

Caretaker for us maybe?

There is no need for a caretaker when everyone is on holiday.

There is simply the task of getting VK's deal over the line and then replacing him swiftly.

[jos]

Has he not already left the club so says CT??

Ah! I didn’t read all the thread.

[criminalclaret]

The difference now is that the club and majority of fans stuck by him, despite the failures and the squad mess. We are now in a lower division, so less pulling power for a new manager and it was clear to most people that he was obviously touting himself around via his agent. He clearly had no intention of repaying that loyalty.

I just don't buy this at all......in fact I find it kinda sad.

We stuck by him (a young manager trying to make a name for himself) got relegated, and now make millions from our decision to stick by him with a much more youthful team than he inherited ready for the next manager to take us on.

He owns us nout.

[Murger]

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[DCWat]

I’ve no issue at all with Kompany going, particularly with a decent wedge of compensation.

What I have a problem with is just how much control he was allowed by Pace. That naturally raises concerns for the next manager, if scouting and recruitment are back to square one, never mind the raft of players that we need to assess, keep or try to shift on.

It looks like another big lesson for Pace, who I’m sure is an intelligent chap, but when it comes to running a football club, he seems to be wet behind the ears, more of a kid in a sweet shop than an astute business leader.

[boyyanno]

No. That's too weak.
We hold out for our valuation. Obviously they will try to lower the price but balls to them.
also VK has made his decision now so that outcome is no longer under our control.

I disagree. I'm all for holding out for the highest value but I think the most pro Kompany supporter would have been pleased with getting 10m in compo from Bayern. If we can push that up by asking for 20m then great, but let's not push it too far now he clearly wants to go. Would be very difficult for him to come back now. I think we'll settle somewhere in the middle, 13m doesn't seem that far off.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I’ve no issue at all with Kompany going, particularly with a decent wedge of compensation.

What I have a problem with is just how much control he was allowed by Pace. That naturally raises concerns for the next manager, if scouting and recruitment are back to square one, never mind the raft of players that we need to assess, keep or try to shift on.

It looks like another big lesson for Pace, who I’m sure is an intelligent chap, but when it comes to running a football club, he seems to be wet behind the ears, more of a kid in a sweet shop than an astute business leader.

Managing to bag 16 million in compensation would suggest he’s not as wet behind the ears as you think.

[burnleytom]

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This is an extremely confusing post. Dawson to Bayern? Or Dawson as a replacement at Burnley for Kompany? If the second, that sounds completely absurd.

[Murger]

This is an extremely confusing post. Dawson to Bayern? Or Dawson as a replacement at Burnley for Kompany? If the second, that sounds completely absurd.

Reads to me as Dawson to replace 1 of the coaches. But surely the new man will want his own staff in?

[burnleymik]

I just don't buy this at all......in fact I find it kinda sad.

We stuck by him (a young manager trying to make a name for himself) got relegated, and now make millions from our decision to stick by him with a much more youthful team than he inherited ready for the next manager to take us on.

He owns us nout.

He relegated us, we have a bloated squad, we have gaps in the squad, big gaps, we have some positions way over-subscribed , he bought players specifically to suit his style (that didn't work lol) and the whole of the recruitment etc was built around and by him. It's not just a job someone can walk into and hit the ground running, it's going to take a lot of sorting out.

Given he created the mess, relegated us and kept harping on about his "project", you would have hoped he would have repaid the loyalty shown to him when it was absolutely woeful and any other manager would have been sacked or turned on by the fans. Obviously he isn't going to turn down Bayern, but like I said he was getting his name out there for all the Prem jobs popping up, Brighton and Brentford etc.

As it stands, extraordinarily, we have somehow managed to come away from this with a good chunk of compo and not had to sack him, so it's worked out well in the end.

[DCWat]

Managing to bag 16 million in compensation would suggest he’s not as wet behind the ears as you think.

He’s not got it yet and if he does, that’s a combination of the length of contract (accepting that Pace offered it) and the fact that one of Europe’s elite clubs has come in for his services - which is a bit bloody mental.

The above doesn’t negate any of the other concerns about Pace.

[John Johnson 1605]

I’ve no issue at all with Kompany going, particularly with a decent wedge of compensation.

What I have a problem with is just how much control he was allowed by Pace. That naturally raises concerns for the next manager, if scouting and recruitment are back to square one, never mind the raft of players that we need to assess, keep or try to shift on.

It looks like another big lesson for Pace, who I’m sure is an intelligent chap, but when it comes to running a football club, he seems to be wet behind the ears, more of a kid in a sweet shop than an astute business leader.

Absolutely Spot On.

[ClaretAndJew]

To substitute the Belgian coach (Kompany?) is ANDY DAWSON FROM HULL CITY??!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Murger]

FN is Belgian too.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I’ve no issue at all with Kompany going, particularly with a decent wedge of compensation.

What I have a problem with is just how much control he was allowed by Pace. That naturally raises concerns for the next manager, if scouting and recruitment are back to square one, never mind the raft of players that we need to assess, keep or try to shift on.

It looks like another big lesson for Pace, who I’m sure is an intelligent chap, but when it comes to running a football club, he seems to be wet behind the ears, more of a kid in a sweet shop than an astute business leader.

The club needs its own recruitment department that is clear. I don’t think there is any thing to stop them using VK’s analytics company as I’m sure they exist to sell their info. Maybe it’s just we’re not going to use his staff to interpret it all is my understanding.

Rebuilding the department as a stand alone entity looks like a massive priority to me!

[mybloodisclaret]

If Pace wants 20 mill hold out for it. Numerous coaches have already said no to Bayern..... they are getting desperate, and have found someone who has said yes in Vinny.

Depending on Vinnys contract, get every penny we can back for him.

[Claretnick]

Reads to me as Dawson to replace 1 of the coaches. But surely the new man will want his own staff in?

Rosenior?

[123EasyasBFC]

Sacha has 100% heard a rumour we want Hull city’s manager not checked that rosenior was sacked and found that Andy Dawson is acting at caretaker and ran with that story

[Murger]

Rosenior?

God I hope not.

[Clovius Boofus]

Have we always been such a bunch of depressing fans? I mean, we've had everything on this thread that's negative, including conspiracy theories.

Most people I talk to are putting positives on this departure, and I'm including those like me who wanted VK to stay, right through to those who wanted him gone. We cannot wait for the new boss to lead us into the new season. Bring it on. UTC!

[kentonclaret]

Sacha has 100% heard a rumour we want Hull city’s manager not checked that rosenior was sacked and found that Andy Dawson is acting at caretaker and ran with that story

Tim Walter is 1/5 favourite to become new Hull manager.

Another German coach from the Bundesliga

[Conroy92]

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[123EasyasBFC]

Rosenior would be very underwhelming

[Leisure]

God I hope not.

Why's that?

[Vegas Claret]

has he left yet ?

[Vegas Claret]

Rosenior would be very underwhelming

he didn't seem to get anything out of Zaroury

[Jakubclaret]

Few people are considering the possibility that VK would fail to be in the top 2 next season and we couldn’t afford to sack him on that contract. A manager gets tarnished at a club, a relegation can do that, no guarantee at all. The damage was done back in the last summer window by not hitting our main targets. We now need to move on and start again, presumably from a more stable financial position to a degree.

In fairness there's also been a few of us well aware (without knowing the precise details) reiterating that he's on a lot of money with a lengthy lucrative contract & been ridiculed for it & here we are.

[Murger]

Why's that?

What’s he achieved to warrant the job?

[Leisure]

What’s he achieved to warrant the job?

About the same that Kompany had. What had Dyche and Coyle?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

He’s not got it yet and if he does, that’s a combination of the length of contract (accepting that Pace offered it) and the fact that one of Europe’s elite clubs has come in for his services - which is a bit bloody mental.

The above doesn’t negate any of the other concerns about Pace.

Like you say Pace negotiated the contract and put the compensation clause in. Agree still mental Bayern Munich are pushing through with it.

[Leisure]

he didn't seem to get anything out of Zaroury

Same as Kompany then.

[123EasyasBFC]

Same as Kompany then.

Kompany got a hell of a lot more out of zaroury in the championship than Rosenior did

[Murger]

Same as Kompany then.

Zaroury was unplayable when he was first signed.

[Belgianclaret]

FN is Belgian too.

Get those bloody Belgians out of the club!

Oops…

[Vegas Claret]

Same as Kompany then.

I watched Rosenior more closely once Zaroury went to Hull, I genuinely thought he would reinvigorate him to similar levels as when he first started with us, he didn't. I think Rosenior would be on our list to talk to but someway down it for me.

[Leisure]

Kompany got a hell of a lot more out of zaroury in the championship than Rosenior did

He did but not last season.

[Leisure]

Zaroury was unplayable when he was first signed.

Went downhill after the World Cup unfortunately.

[criminalclaret]

He relegated us, we have a bloated squad, we have gaps in the squad, big gaps, we have some positions way over-subscribed , he bought players specifically to suit his style (that didn't work lol) and the whole of the recruitment etc was built around and by him. It's not just a job someone can walk into and hit the ground running, it's going to take a lot of sorting out.

Given he created the mess, relegated us and kept harping on about his "project", you would have hoped he would have repaid the loyalty shown to him when it was absolutely woeful and any other manager would have been sacked or turned on by the fans. Obviously he isn't going to turn down Bayern, but like I said he was getting his name out there for all the Prem jobs popping up, Brighton and Brentford etc.

As it stands, extraordinarily, we have somehow managed to come away from this with a good chunk of compo and not had to sack him, so it's worked out well in the end.

So that's a long winded way of you saying "I glad to see the back of him but I'm glad of the cash".

Ask it another way, if he had had a storming season, finished 10th and Bayern came in for him right now, would you still be so bitter? Or is it just because he's had a whopper that you think it's unjust for him to land in his feet while we are in another division?

The manger, like any of the players, are completely expendable and worth their highest price they can be sold for. The reality is that simple. If you thought at any point any one of of the board, manager or players wouldn't jump at the highest price, your very naive. I'm totally ok with that as is the way the world.

The grand scheme of things over the last 2 years, we have much youthful squad to plan the next few seasons on growing, money their to be made on developing some more talent, 15m compo for our ex-manager and a full preseason with a new manager to see what they can do with the squad. Not to mention storming the league and winning it at our fiercest rivals. That I will never forget him for.

I'm sad he's gone, and wish him well. But I don't see anything to get so upset about.

It's a great bit of business

[123EasyasBFC]

He did but not last season.

We wasn’t in the championship last season

[burnleymik]

So that's a long winded way of you saying "I glad to see the back of him but I'm glad of the cash".

Ask it another way, if he had had a storming season, finished 10th and Bayern came in for him right now, would you still be so bitter? Or is it just because he's had a whopper that you think it's unjust for him to land in his feet while we are in another division?

The manger, like any of the players, are completely expendable and worth their highest price they can be sold for. The reality is that simple. If you thought at any point any one of of the board, manager or players wouldn't jump at the highest price, your very naive. I'm totally ok with that as is the way the world.

The grand scheme of things over the last 2 years, we have much youthful squad to plan the next few seasons on growing, money their to be made on developing some more talent, 15m compo for our ex-manager and a full preseason with a new manager to see what they can do with the squad. Not to mention storming the league and winning it at our fiercest rivals. That I will never forget him for.

I'm sad he's gone, and wish him well. But I don't see anything to get so upset about.

It's a great bit of business

It's like you haven't read or comprehended my post???

I said thew reason was because of the failure and then touting himself about.

Going round in circles.

[criminalclaret]

Have we always been such a bunch of depressing fans? I mean, we've had everything on this thread that's negative, including conspiracy theories.

Most people I talk to are putting positives on this departure, and I'm including those like me who wanted VK to stay, right through to those who wanted him gone. We cannot wait for the new boss to lead us into the new season. Bring it on. UTC!

Honestly, I think this a cracking bit of business all in all.

He's arguably left the place better than where it started 2 years ago (with some obvious fat trimming which needs to happen before the start of the season), we have a youthful squad with some quality potential for resale. This season hasn't been full of highes undoubtedly and many of us whk were pragmatic enough didn't think it would be a walk in the park. But ultimately we have a great canvas for a new manager and I'm genuinely looking forward to kicking on again this season.

Him, just like Dyche before him, have been another layer in our growth over the last 15 years. Both had their lulls and bad moments but overall they left a positive mark overall

[FeedTheArf]

he didn't seem to get anything out of Zaroury

Nor did Kompany for the second half of the Championship season. He was distinctly average, which might be a little harsh but it’s only because he set such high levels in the first half of the season.

[criminalclaret]

It's like you haven't read or comprehended my post???

I said thew reason was because of the failure and then touting himself about.

Going round in circles.

"Touting himself about"
"Not shown loyalty to us"

It's business mate, and good business at that. I can understand the shock but after a few days I think people will come to their senses and put their pitchforks down

[Quicknick]

I wish they'd conclude business, then I could do something else.

[CrosspoolClarets]

In fairness there's also been a few of us well aware (without knowing the precise details) reiterating that he's on a lot of money with a lengthy lucrative contract & been ridiculed for it & here we are.

Agreed, but my post originally was suggesting there is a general assumption (not by all) that Vincent would have won the league and a replacement with a better budget (after compo) would fail to get us up. Not necessarily the case. For example, he was schooled by Dyche on 3 occasions.

I am tempted to be one of those people too, but I’m trying hard to be optimistic.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I wish they'd conclude business, then I could do something else.

Remember a time before the internet when we'd be oblivious to all this?

Burnley fan walks into a pub, "I've heard that Kompany is going to Bayern Munich"

In unison....... " Ha ha ha, get out you f***ing melonhead"

[ecc]

he didn't seem to get anything out of Zaroury

Is that sufficient to write him off?