Summer transfer window

[Conroy92]

Being better than Ben Mee is not the reason to sign a defender. At his peak Ben Mee was twice the defender that is Dara O'Shea.
O'Shea puts in a lot of effort, which is probably why fans like him.

Dara o shea stood out as one of our better defenders who could score from set pieces, he also showed he has improvement in him. That's why people would be happy for him to return.

[boatshed bill]

Dara o shea stood out as one of our better defenders who could score from set pieces, he also showed he has improvement in him. That's why people would be happy for him to return.

i think he's just about the worse marker I have seen in a Burnley defence.

[NL Claret]

Being better than Ben Mee is not the reason to sign a defender. At his peak Ben Mee was twice the defender that is Dara O'Shea.
O'Shea puts in a lot of effort, which is probably why fans like him.

He’s a threat at set pieces, current squad doesn’t have one.

[CoolClaret]

Why would anyone want a player back who left after one season of football to an obvious relegation candidate rather than stay and try and get the club back there?

What sort of signal would that send to the rest of the squad?

He was alright for us after a rough start, but there are plenty of players out there... thanks, but no thanks.

[Conroy92]

i think he's just about the worse marker I have seen in a Burnley defence.

Unless your between the ages of 0-10 I would consider that to be nonsense.

[boyyanno]

I thought O'Shea was a decent CB to be fair. I also think he's the kind of profile that could improve us a little, he's dominant in the air. He'd probably fit together quite well with Esteve.

Obviously wether the rumours about how he left are true or not is another thing, but if he's willing to come in and knuckle down on his return I wouldn't hold it against him.

[boatshed bill]

Unless your between the ages of 0-10 I would consider that to be nonsense.

i could show you plenty of examples if I could be bothered.
Doesn't he also have 3 successive relegations on his CV? This kind of suggests to me that he is Championship level at best (not too bad really but we would need better).

[Conroy92]

i could show you plenty of examples if I could be bothered.
Doesn't he also have 3 successive relegations on his CV? This kind of suggests to me that he is Championship level at best (not too bad really but we would need better).

You can't provide any examples. You would have to list every CB that you have seen play for us and tell me they are all worse at marking than Dara.

You'd get unstuck very quickly when getting to your likes of Kevin Long. Unless like I say you have a very limited time watching us.

I presume you didn't support us at all the early 2000's.

If you think he's championship standard that's fine. But the idea that you've not seen a worse marker at Burnley is just, nonsense.

[helmclaret]

Dara o shea return on the cards.

I’d like to think we are aiming to sign players better than Dara.

He ticks two boxes for a lot of posters on here though; played for us before and has just been relegated

[boyyanno]

I’d like to think we are aiming to sign players better than Dara.

He ticks two boxes for a lot of posters on here though; played for us before and has just been relegated

He also ticks the- used to play for us so is to be instantly dismissed as crap box.

Which quite clearly you and some others will be ticking.

[Conroy92]

I’d like to think we are aiming to sign players better than Dara.

He ticks two boxes for a lot of posters on here though; played for us before and has just been relegated

Another moronic comment.

People recognise at 26 there's improvement in him.
He had positive reviews from the Ipswich faithful and I'll be honest, the majority of us didn't want him to leave here. We would have been happy taking him back to the prem.
He's played his last two campaigns in the premier league.
And most importantly, he would offer us a threat at set pieces which we don't have.

But believe that it's all about 'previously paying for us' if your too short sighted to see the above.

[Conroy92]

He also ticks the- used to play for us so is to be instantly dismissed as crap box.

Which quite clearly you and some others will be ticking.

People claim there is an obsession with singing former players when it is those posters that are obsessed with suggesting it.

[Claretfanatic1982]

Dara o shea stood out as one of our better defenders who could score from set pieces, he also showed he has improvement in him. That's why people would be happy for him to return.

For me , I only want players who want to be at the club. He couldn't wait to leave last summer. If he wants to come , he is a right mercenary.

[CoolClaret]

You can't provide any examples. You would have to list every CB that you have seen play for us and tell me they are all worse at marking than Dara.

You'd get unstuck very quickly when getting to your likes of Kevin Long. Unless like I say you have a very limited time watching us.

I presume you didn't support us at all the early 2000's.

If you think he's championship standard that's fine. But the idea that you've not seen a worse marker at Burnley is just, nonsense.

I'd say Kevin Long had a more successful outing in the PL than Dara O'Shea has, even if it has been limited.

He played 16 games in the season we finished 7th, including what would be a 3-point winning header against Leicester in a crunch game for a Euro spot near the end of the season!

[HahaYeah]

Mercenary

Dara has played 96 games in the PL and will probably cost about 10 - 15M.

A young ROI international.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Can’t see Williams negotiating with anyone to bring back a player who allegedly squared up to him to force a move

[Conroy92]

I'd say Kevin Long had a more successful outing in the PL than Dara O'Shea has, even if it has been limited.

He played 16 games in the season we finished 7th, including what would be a 3-point winning header against Leicester in a crunch game for a Euro spot near the end of the season!

Jesus Christ.

[CoolClaret]

Jesus Christ.

Would you not consider that more successful than three relegations with three different teams?

[Conroy92]

Mercenary

Dara has played 96 games in the PL and will probably cost about 10 - 15M.

A young ROI international.

Exactly. If he didn't play for us people would be happy with a 26 year old with premier league experience who can score.

[Conroy92]

Would you not consider that more successful than three relegations with three different teams?

Im not arguing with stupid.

It's like trying to say Cisak was better than Trafford.

[CoolClaret]

Im not arguing with stupid.

I'm not saying that Kev is better (or worse) than Dara, just saying that he wasn't/isn't as bad as some make out, and he played more than a bit part role in our most successful season for around half a century.

There's nothing to debate; it's a fact.

It's like trying to say Cisak was better than Trafford.

Did he play 16 games that season?... No, he made 1 app for Burnley in his entire career - so it really isn't.

[Conroy92]

I'm not saying that Kev is better (or worse) than Dara, just saying that he wasn't/isn't as bad as some make out, and he played more than a bit part role in our most successful season for around half a century.

There's nothing to debate; it's a fact.



Did he play 16 games that season?... No, he made 1 app for Burnley in his entire career - so it really isn't.

I told you. I'm not arguing with stupid. And this is about as daft as it gets.

[Claretfanatic1982]

Mercenary

Dara has played 96 games in the PL and will probably cost about 10 - 15M.

A young ROI international.

What has that got to do with anything.

He couldn't wait to leave in the summer when his wages were reduced after being with us for one season and didn't want to help us get back up . If he now wants to re sign with us and get a pay rise after his wages are reduced again due to relegation, in my opinion he is a mercenary.

[Conroy92]

I'm not saying that Kev is better (or worse) than Dara, just saying that he wasn't/isn't as bad as some make out, and he played more than a bit part role in our most successful season for around half a century.

There's nothing to debate; it's a fact.



Did he play 16 games that season?... No, he made 1 app for Burnley in his entire career - so it really isn't.

I'll play though. Brian Jensen is as good as James Trafford. Both with one relegation from the premier league. Can you see why its stupid now?

[CoolClaret]

I told you. I'm not arguing with stupid. And this is about as daft as it gets.

Because there is nothing to argue.

Dara O'Shea has not had a successful PL career. In every season where he has featured, for three separate teams, he's failed to reach more than 26 points.

[HahaYeah]

What has that got to do with anything.

He couldn't wait to leave in the summer when his wages were reduced after being with us for one season and didn't want to help us get back up . If he now wants to re sign with us and get a pay rise after his wages are reduced again due to relegation, in my opinion he is a mercenary.

My emoji-point was that surely they are all mercenaries.

I don't think any players would blame him for wanting to stay in the PL.

[CoolClaret]

I'll play though. Brian Jensen is as good as James Trafford. Both with one relegation from the premier league. Can you see why its stupid now?

Did you miss that part where I said "I'm not saying that Kev is better (or worse) than Dara".

As of now, Jensen and Trafford's PL careers have had the same level of success - let's hope Trafford will find more success with us next season!

[Conroy92]

Did you miss that part where I said "I'm not saying that Kev is better (or worse) than Dara".

As of now, Jensen and Trafford's PL careers have had the same level of success - let's hope Trafford will find more success with us next season!

The problem is. You waded in to reply to my comment to boatshead who was saying Dara is the worst marker he has seen for Burnley. And I rightly called it out as nonsense. You then decided to change it completely to be about success and sighted Kevin Long as more successful. Can't help but feeling your a bit mental.

[Claretfanatic1982]

My emoji-point was that surely they are all mercenaries.

Of course it was

[Conroy92]

Because there is nothing to argue.

Dara O'Shea has not had a successful PL career. In every season where he has featured, for three separate teams, he's failed to reach more than 26 points.

Your right. Starting in the premier league for sperate clubs is less successful than being burnleys third choice centre half hardly featuring for ten years.

[boatshed bill]

You can't provide any examples. .

How about Chris wood's opener vs Forest?, last game in the PL.

[Conroy92]

How about Chris wood's opener vs Forest?, last game in the PL.

I don't think you get it. If anything it's just got worse.

So you've shown me a bad bit of defending from O shea. If you can now send me clips of every single goal we have conceded in your time watching the club then I will be able to quantify if he is, like you say, the worst marker you have seen at Burnley.

[warksclaret]

Think we were sad to lose him-personally under Parker after a season with us in the Championship, he could now be a very good centre half who undoubtedly would have chipped in with goals from set pieces. However his departure led to CJ making that position his own, and has proved for me he is a better reader of the game defensively of the two.I have watched Ipswich quite a bit this year (mainly because of O Shea and Muric)-they have been woeful at marking, getting worse as the season progressed, and O Shea was at the heart of that defence in every game. Not sure his return might go down well with our squad, and would not fill me with confidence. Plus his arrival would signal a departure for us as he is most certainly not coming to sit on the bench , though he is a very capable RB if required

[HB Claret]

Jesus Christ.

And what position will he play ?

[Claretfanatic1982]

Exactly. If he didn't play for us people would be happy with a 26 year old with premier league experience who can score.

That's probably correct but he did play for us and he couldn't wait to leave after just one seasons service . He was part of the team that got us relegated but didn't want to help us back up.

That's why I don't want him back.

[boatshed bill]

I don't think you get it. If anything it's just got worse.

So you've shown me a bad bit of defending from O shea. If you can now send me clips of every single goal we have conceded in your time watching the club then I will be able to quantify if he is, like you say, the worst marker you have seen at Burnley.

I could show you plenty more but it would make no difference to your opinion. And I certainly stick with mine, marking ( andstaying the right side of his man, which is very important) is not O'Shea's strongest attribute.

[ollieclarets8]

And what position will he play ?

Wing? Got a decent cross on him.

[NL Claret]

What has that got to do with anything.

He couldn't wait to leave in the summer when his wages were reduced after being with us for one season and didn't want to help us get back up . If he now wants to re sign with us and get a pay rise after his wages are reduced again due to relegation, in my opinion he is a mercenary.

I think there were a few others who got out a lot quicker than O’Shea, he did play a couple of games and played like he wanted to play for Burnley v Luton.

I guess some judgement is being clouded by the alleged incident with Williams. That will be enough for some to have no chance of entertaining a return for O’Shea and will dislike him forever.

Always good to see new posters on the board though. Welcome.

[FeedTheArf]

I'd have Dara back gladly.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/15320870/da ... ds-united/

Firmly believe his agent will manage to get him another move but it won’t be to us. Lump on wherever he goes to for relegation though, the kid is cursed!

[KlyBfc]

No thanks. He was desperate to leave to whoever came calling. Not someone i want to watch play in our shirt again (like a number of those who left quick sharp).

[CoolClaret]

Your right. Starting in the premier league for sperate clubs is less successful than being burnleys third choice centre half hardly featuring for ten years.

Starting and massively failing!

The problem is. You waded in to reply to my comment to boatshead who was saying Dara is the worst marker he has seen for Burnley. And I rightly called it out as nonsense. You then decided to change it completely to be about success and sighted Kevin Long as more successful. Can't help but feeling your a bit mental.

you're*

And the reason I replied to you is because I don't like it when 'fans' throw shade on players that were, by all accounts, fantastic pros, didn't kick up a fuss and actually, when called upon, did a solid job for us... He deserves far more than to be referred to like this - 'your likes of Kevin Long'.

[Conroy92]

Starting and massively failing!


you're*

And the reason I replied to you is because I don't like it when 'fans' throw shade on players that were, by all accounts, fantastic pros, didn't kick up a fuss and actually, when called upon, did a solid job for us... He deserves far more than to be referred to like this - 'your likes of Kevin Long'.

So you decided to reply based on sentiment rather than fact.
Unfortunately I work on facts. Dara has played more at premier league level than Kevin Long played games for us over his entire spell here. I haven't checked but I suspect he may even have played more games for us than Kevin in his spell. Does that make him a better servant? Just because Kevin was a good pro does not make him a better Defender than Dara.
I'm sorry that pointing out one player not being as good as another upsets your feelings. I'll try and not say anything else you don't like.

[burnley007]

This thread had deteriorated again i see.

Usual classy stuff.

[NewClaret]

Firmly believe his agent will manage to get him another move but it won’t be to us. Lump on wherever he goes to for relegation though, the kid is cursed!

Hopefully goes for a profit and we make a few quid off it. Don’t think he’ll be in such high demand after two relegations though.

[ArthurNohair]

Just nipped on the board to see if there’s any transfer rumours. Nice to see it’s as toxic as ever is there still a thread for links only?

[sjb]

I bear him no animosity for leaving. I also do not want to see him back because he isn't good enough.

[NewClaret]

I bear him no animosity for leaving. I also do not want to see him back because he isn't good enough.

Good summary.

[Andreshotboots]

Another moronic comment.

People recognise at 26 there's improvement in him.
He had positive reviews from the Ipswich faithful and I'll be honest, the majority of us didn't want him to leave here. We would have been happy taking him back to the prem.
He's played his last two campaigns in the premier league.
And most importantly, he would offer us a threat at set pieces which we don't have.

But believe that it's all about 'previously paying for us' if your too short sighted to see the above.

I wouldn't go near him. I stared a thread several months ago about the evening with Mr Pace and Mr. Williams. Dara was one of the players who refused to play for us after the first couple of games and basically started throwing his weight about demanding a move away from the club.

He's burned his bridges in my opinion..

[Conroy92]

I wouldn't go near him. I stared a thread several months ago about the evening with Mr Pace and Mr. Williams. Dara was one of the players who refused to play for us after the first couple of games and basically started throwing his weight about demanding a move away from the club.

He's burned his bridges in my opinion..

That's fair enough. And if there is truth to the squaring up incident with Williams I'm not sure I would want him back based on that.

[Vegas Claret]

turn your wifi off for an hour lads