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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:46 pm

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ALK Capital Limited is issued with a First Gazette Notice for failing to file accounts on time

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Will Burnley FC Holdings follow for failing to produce a Confirmation Statement (due October 14th 2024). It should, if previous such failures for ALK/VSL companies is anything to go by - and that incudes ALK Capital Limited in December 2022 which was the very first of many such notices that this ownership group has received
Accounts for ALK Capital Limited have now been received by Companies House - over 2 months late - and are pending publication. The First Gazette notice for strike off will likely be rescinded in due course.

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still no sign of the Confirmation Statement for Burnley FC Holdings Limited or 3 years worth of accounts for both Kettering Capital Limited and Calder Vale Holdings Limited

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:57 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
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The ALK late filing disease has now spread to the club

I have been waiting to see if it was just a last minute filing but this Confirmation Statement is now a week late

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I cannot say that I am surprised, because I understand that there are some serious issues with the Confirmation Statements that the club has previously issued and not just as a result of the inconsistencies in the statement linked to the Asset Match arrangement
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Burnley FC Holdings Limited have re - submitted their 2023 confirmation Statement - I am looking forward to seeing what changes have been made when it is eventually published.

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still no sign of the 2024 on which will be 2 months late tomorrow

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by bfcjg » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:08 pm

I wonder if somebody wanted to ask about it at the recent forum with the chairman but the question wasn't allowed.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Row x » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:22 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:08 pm
I wonder if somebody wanted to ask about it at the recent forum with the chairman but the question wasn't allowed.
There was an open question session at the end where the question could have been asked
Maybe the majority of fans aren't as concerned as those on this thread

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by The Shire Claret » Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:28 pm

Row x wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:22 pm
There was an open question session at the end where the question could have been asked
Maybe the majority of fans aren't as concerned as those on this thread
I doubt the majority are and that’s not due to ignorance for the most part

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:41 am

Whilst the owners may not think it is anything, it reflects badly on Burnley FC and that is something which should concern the chairman.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Row x » Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:03 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:41 am
Whilst the owners may not think it is anything, it reflects badly on Burnley FC and that is something which should concern the chairman.
Where's it reflecting bad?

The only place I see it mentioned is on this thread

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:16 pm

Having owners from countries actively involved in torture and human rights abuses reflects pretty bad on owners.
Not sure the late filing of a confirmation statement (which most people do not even know what it is) falls into the same category !!

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by daveisaclaret » Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:38 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:16 pm
Having owners from countries actively involved in torture and human rights abuses reflects pretty bad on owners.
Not sure the late filing of a confirmation statement (which most people do not even know what it is) falls into the same category !!
Don't agree with this at all, it is grossly unfair to hold it against Pace and ALK that his country of origin is involved in torture and human rights abuses.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by taio » Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:41 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:16 pm
Having owners from countries actively involved in torture and human rights abuses reflects pretty bad on owners.
Not sure the late filing of a confirmation statement (which most people do not even know what it is) falls into the same category !!
A fair point...if such owners support torture and the abuse of human rights

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:45 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:38 pm
Don't agree with this at all, it is grossly unfair to hold it against Pace and ALK that his country of origin is involved in torture and human rights abuses.
I was referring to the current Saudi owners in the EPL and a bit further back to the Russian owners of Chelsea.

It was more a sarcastic comment about how a late filing of confirmation statements is hardly going to ruin the reputation of the club !!

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:52 pm

Row x wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:03 pm
Where's it reflecting bad?

The only place I see it mentioned is on this thread
It is the deed.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:30 pm

Row x wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:03 pm
Where's it reflecting bad?

The only place I see it mentioned is on this thread
It's weird. It's the kind of thing that would prompt further investigation if you were looking to invest or do business with the club but it isn't the kind of thing that most football fans are going to worry about (at least until the **** hits the fan).

But those who would be concerned about it aren't the type of organisations you're going to see commenting about it in the press.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:51 am

For those who are interested I had a quick scan through the updated Confirmation statement for Burnley FC Holdings. Main change is that the 9,019 shares that were down as being held by Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Limted swithced to being owned by Velocity Sports Partners LLC. I remember there had been some kind of discussion around this so I don't think it is completely out of the blue.

Also, for whatever reason, the share transfer dates from the old directors changed from 29/06/2023 to 15/11/2022 which is a bit strange. Possibly just human error, possibly something deeper.

The September 2024 statement has also been filed. Major change there is 101,302 shares being transferred from Calder Vale Holdings Ltd to Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Limted (this was expected given the change in significant control filings).

It also looks like they've started to use an external company for dealing with this which isn't surprising.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Big Vinny K » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:59 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:51 am
For those who are interested I had a quick scan through the updated Confirmation statement for Burnley FC Holdings. Main change is that the 9,019 shares that were down as being held by Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Limted swithced to being owned by Velocity Sports Partners LLC. I remember there had been some kind of discussion around this so I don't think it is completely out of the blue.

Also, for whatever reason, the share transfer dates from the old directors changed from 29/06/2023 to 15/11/2022 which is a bit strange. Possibly just human error, possibly something deeper.

The September 2024 statement has also been filed. Major change there is 101,302 shares being transferred from Calder Vale Holdings Ltd to Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Limted (this was expected given the change in significant control filings).

It also looks like they've started to use an external company for dealing with this which isn't surprising.
The change of share transfer dates I’m guessing is something that they were instructed to do. Whether it was as a result of an error or “misjudgment” (I’ll use that word kindly) is probably something we will never know.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Spike » Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:56 pm

Simple question are the loans Pace and ALK initially took out to allow them control of the club more now or have some been paid off?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:27 pm

Spike wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:56 pm
Simple question are the loans Pace and ALK initially took out to allow them control of the club more now or have some been paid off?
Nobody knows what they stand at today. Accounts are always backwards looking and not published for a long time after the period concerned so nobody knows.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:49 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:53 pm
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Also in section 4 is a clear statement of intent that the owners and Vlad Torgovnik see this as a way to pick up additional shares on the cheap - this having stalled individuals from private sales of their shares and then encouraged them to use this platform, which is morally if not legally questionable.

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aggi wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:04 pm
I'm not sure where the errors in the document are but I'm not that familiar with the biographies of the directors.

You've misunderstood Section 4. The line:

The Company has been notified that the following shareholder(s) are interested in 3% or more of the issued share capital of the company:

means that these are the shareholders who own (have an interest) of 3% or more of the company. It is a legally required disclosure so far as I'm aware. It doesn't mean anything about wanting to buy shares.
I see the latest auction (what I assume are the 200 Endsleigh shares) closed with no purchases at a price of £400 which I think puts paid to any theory that the owners are looking to pick up shares via that platform.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:24 pm

New Charge incoming on the club at Companies House - a refinance (this would be 4th time since we ended the MSD relationship in November 2022) or additional loan?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by billyhamilton82 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:29 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:24 pm
New Charge incoming on the club at Companies House - a refinance (this would be 4th time since we ended the MSD relationship in November 2022) or additional loan?

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Nothing unusual, in fact there has been nothing of note to write about since Pace took over so goodness knows why this thread is so long.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:47 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:29 pm
Nothing unusual, in fact there has been nothing of note to write about since Pace took over so goodness knows why this thread is so long.

Refinancing a commercial loan as many times as our owners have in such a short period of time is not only highly unusual it’s also highly expensive.
The legal, security and set up fees together with potentially early repayment costs will be significant. And based on the interest rates of the previous loans it’s unclear as to why they keep on doing this so frequently when there are not lower rates on the new loans.

I get that this thread is not for some people but not sure why you’d come out with something like you have if you don’t understand any of it.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by billyhamilton82 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:46 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:47 pm
Refinancing a commercial loan as many times as our owners have in such a short period of time is not only highly unusual it’s also highly expensive.
The legal, security and set up fees together with potentially early repayment costs will be significant. And based on the interest rates of the previous loans it’s unclear as to why they keep on doing this so frequently when there are not lower rates on the new loans.

I get that this thread is not for some people but not sure why you’d come out with something like you have if you don’t understand any of it.
Quite a statement in fact it does come across as a little condescending.

Especially when your "blurb" doesn't explain anything in relation to a football corporation strategically refinancing and restructuring debt.

It doesn't explain whether the refinancing is secured on perceived future income, squad value or the assets of the club.

In fact it doesn't explain anything apart from the fact that its "unclear" and you don't understand / know the full picture.

Not exactly a point of fact, and unless you have a much, much stronger argument it definitely doesn't doesn't dissuade me from my assumption that there is nothing unusual in fact it actually strengthens it, especially if that is all you've got.

If you can post when you obviously don't understand the situation, I'm assuming I am too?
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:23 am

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:29 pm
Nothing unusual, in fact there has been nothing of note to write about since Pace took over so goodness knows why this thread is so long.
Before Pace took over, BFC was a club with money in the bank for a rainy day. Now, BFC is a club mortgaged to the hilt with (for whatever reason) a need to keep on refinancing to pay its debts. That, I'm afraid, is something of note.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:38 am

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:29 pm
Nothing unusual, in fact there has been nothing of note to write about since Pace took over so goodness knows why this thread is so long.
I think by most measures a leveraged buyout is something of note.

I would agree that some get carried away at times but there is plenty of stuff going on.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by TPClaret » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:05 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:23 am
Before Pace took over, BFC was a club with money in the bank for a rainy day. Now, BFC is a club mortgaged to the hilt with (for whatever reason) a need to keep on refinancing to pay its debts. That, I'm afraid, is something of note.
Are most people in life not mortgaged up to the hilt. Not many have savings for a rainy day.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by billyhamilton82 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:07 am

I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm just stating a fact that there is nothing at all unusual.

The odd confirmation statement being late is usual, especially for big companies from outside the UK, it means nothing.

A leveraged buyout is not unusual, maybe for Burnley Football Club and its fans, but in the business world its an everyday / every hour occurrance.

Every large financial purchase will be leveraged bar none.

Any company won't ever keep money in the bank long term because it dies due to inflation/interest rate discrepancy, essentially you lose money.

A company saves over the short term to invest in the long term.

There is nothing to be concerned about, in fact Pace is getting a lot of flak based on absolutely nothing.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:29 am

It has taken a while but Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Ltd has been issued with a First Gazette Notice for failing to produce it's accounts.

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VC(UK)HL is the majority shareholder in Burnley FC Holdings and is the likely place where the debt owed to the club (£124.07m at the last published accounts) resides.

At no time has any entity that ALK/VSL used for this shareholding/debt owning purpose ever produced a set of accounts

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretPete001 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:31 am

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:07 am
I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm just stating a fact that there is nothing at all unusual.

The odd confirmation statement being late is usual, especially for big companies from outside the UK, it means nothing.

A leveraged buyout is not unusual, maybe for Burnley Football Club and its fans, but in the business world its an everyday / every hour occurrance.

Every large financial purchase will be leveraged bar none.

Any company won't ever keep money in the bank long term because it dies due to inflation/interest rate discrepancy, essentially you lose money.

A company saves over the short term to invest in the long term.

There is nothing to be concerned about, in fact Pace is getting a lot of flak based on absolutely nothing.
The issue with the leveraged buyout was that it valued the company at over £200 million with organic revenues of less than £20 million. In fact, Tesco's on Centenary way probably generate more revenue than the club because over 80 per cent of the clubs total revenue is based upon PL broadcast revenue.

So, the deal took something like £120 million plus out of a club that is already too small to operate in the PL on a consistent basis.

If you can explain how that is a good deal for the club then please enlighten me because absolutely no one on here has ever managed to do it.

The initial nonsense about Ai proved to be just that and I'm not sure how successful the player trading will be if you spend Eur18 million on players that by the Chairman's own admission do not play when fit for no obvious reason.

The only thing that has kept the club afloat is the huge financial gap between the PL and the Championship that has emerged recently.

And believe me, if we fall short of the top two this season and get beat by either Sunderland or Sheff Utd in the play offs the club will be facing a final year of parachute money and we will be facing a PL turnover of over £130 million reduced to less than £20 million in two years.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:33 am

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:07 am
I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm just stating a fact that there is nothing at all unusual.

The odd confirmation statement being late is usual, especially for big companies from outside the UK, it means nothing.

A leveraged buyout is not unusual, maybe for Burnley Football Club and its fans, but in the business world its an everyday / every hour occurrance.

Every large financial purchase will be leveraged bar none.

Any company won't ever keep money in the bank long term because it dies due to inflation/interest rate discrepancy, essentially you lose money.

A company saves over the short term to invest in the long term.

There is nothing to be concerned about, in fact Pace is getting a lot of flak based on absolutely nothing.
It's my opinion that Billy might not know the difference between his opinion and FACT.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by billyhamilton82 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:36 am

VC(UK)HL is the majority shareholder in Burnley FC Holdings and is the likely place where the debt owed to the club (£124.07m at the last published accounts) resides.

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Again I'm not being provocative but I've learned over the years that I should never base decisions on assumptions only fact.

Also the link doesn't work.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:37 am

Groundhog Day

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by billyhamilton82 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:42 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:31 am
The issue with the leveraged buyout was that it valued the company at over £200 million with organic revenues of less than £20 million. In fact, Tesco's on Centenary way probably generate more revenue than the club because over 80 per cent of the clubs total revenue is based upon PL broadcast revenue.

So, the deal took something like £120 million plus out of a club that is already too small to operate in the PL on a consistent basis.

If you can explain how that is a good deal for the club then please enlighten me because absolutely no one on here has ever managed to do it.

The initial nonsense about Ai proved to be just that and I'm not sure how successful the player trading will be if you spend Eur18 million on players that by the Chairman's own admission do not play when fit for no obvious reason.

The only thing that has kept the club afloat is the huge financial gap between the PL and the Championship that has emerged recently.

And believe me, if we fall short of the top two this season and get beat by either Sunderland or Sheff Utd in the play offs the club will be facing a final year of parachute money and we will be facing a PL turnover of over £130 million reduced to less than £20 million in two years.
To pick up on one poor transfer is clutching at straws somewhat, all clubs have a bad transfer, its par for the course.

If every business had your outlook, well they wouldn't be in busimess very long.

Talk about putting a negative slant on the situation.

Are you a "bean counter" by any chance?

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Post by billyhamilton82 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:44 am

NewClaret wrote:
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Groundhog Day
I apologise.

I will sign off, I've obviously upset the "gang"

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:46 am

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:36 am
VC(UK)HL is the majority shareholder in Burnley FC Holdings and is the likely place where the debt owed to the club (£124.07m at the last published accounts) resides.
Again I'm not being provocative but I've learned over the years that I should never base decisions on assumptions only fact.

Also the link doesn't work.
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And which decision in a post with no decision making have I based on an assumption - I have made a logical assumption (clearly not stated as a fact) about the debt based on the fact that the other UK entities in the group hierarchy above the club are in the process of being voluntarily Liquidated. I believe aggi - probably the most respected poster on this thread - has previously made the same assumption.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Spike » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:53 am

What is the £124m figure is this the amount we are paying interest on loans for?
Was the original figure £65m

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:03 pm

Spike wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:53 am
What is the £124m figure is this the amount we are paying interest on loans for?
Was the original figure £65m
Two seperate figures.

£124m is the amount Pace and the ownership group have taken out of the club, interest free. That's an asset of the club, in theory at least, though it's doubtful whether the club will get it back, and it doesn't generate any income.

£65m is the amount the club has had to borrow, so that Pace and the ownership group could take it out. That is a liability of the club, owed to banks, and it is charged at high interest rates and 9with all this refinancing) high bank charges and legal costs. About £10m a year in round numbers. The club will have to pay that back or go into administration.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:07 pm

TPClaret wrote:
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Are most people in life not mortgaged up to the hilt. Not many have savings for a rainy day.
That doesn't make it a good thing. Few people would take their rainy day fund and pour it down the drain, let alone borrowing the most they possibly could and pouring that after it.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretPete001 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:08 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:42 am
To pick up on one poor transfer is clutching at straws somewhat, all clubs have a bad transfer, its par for the course.

If every business had your outlook, well they wouldn't be in busimess very long.

Talk about putting a negative slant on the situation.

Are you a "bean counter" by any chance?
For the record Billy you haven't upset anyone but judging by this response to my longish explanation you are a bit of a silly Billy.

Address the substance of my explanation and justify why taking over £120 million out of the club will help it to stabilise in the PL? The deal and the ownership of the club should be more substantive than just gambling on PL broadcast revenue...

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:12 pm

For the 'bean counters'

First Gazette Notices received by ALK/VSL UK entities

ALK Capital Limited = 2
https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

Velocity Sports Partners Limited = 3
now dissolved this entity never produced accounts
https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

Kettering Capital Limited = 4
Never produced accounts, now in voluntary liquidation.
https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

Calder Vale Holdings Limited = 2
Never produced accounts, now in voluntary liquidation.
https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Ltd - 1
https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

The number of criminal offences committed for not filing Accounts or Confirmation Statements on time is somewhat higher

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretPete001 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:17 pm

TPClaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:05 am
Are most people in life not mortgaged up to the hilt. Not many have savings for a rainy day.

dsr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:07 pm
That doesn't make it a good thing. Few people would take their rainy day fund and pour it down the drain, let alone borrowing the most they possibly could and pouring that after it.
Also it conflates, the interests of the owners with that of the club.

The owners have accrued an asset and the club has the debt.

There is not question the deal was good for the owners but not necessarily for the club or us as stakeholders.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:23 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:17 pm
TPClaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:05 am
Are most people in life not mortgaged up to the hilt. Not many have savings for a rainy day.




Also it conflates, the interests of the owners with that of the club.

The owners have accrued an asset and the club has the debt.

There is not question the deal was good for the owners but not necessarily for the club or us as stakeholders.
or indeed the minor shareholders of which, hundreds remain

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by willsclarets » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:26 pm

How is this stuff legal? I really don't understand how you are allowed to buy something, by using the value of that something you don't own. And then further leveraging the value of that something to borrow highly expensive money. While risking zero yourself.

This only ends one way unfortunately, even if we're promoted this time at some point we'll find ourselves in the championship for consecutive seasons.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:37 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:26 pm
How is this stuff legal? I really don't understand how you are allowed to buy something, by using the value of that something you don't own. And then further leveraging the value of that something to borrow highly expensive money. While risking zero yourself.

This only ends one way unfortunately, even if we're promoted this time at some point we'll find ourselves in the championship for consecutive seasons.
Apart from the filing failures everything we have seen in the public domain is legal.

While it will be interesting to see what this Labour government tries to squeeze into the Football Regulator Bill, recent evidence suggests that this same government is looking to remove vast swathes of regulation in other business areas.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretPete001 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:42 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:26 pm
How is this stuff legal? I really don't understand how you are allowed to buy something, by using the value of that something you don't own. And then further leveraging the value of that something to borrow highly expensive money. While risking zero yourself.

This only ends one way unfortunately, even if we're promoted this time at some point we'll find ourselves in the championship for consecutive seasons.
I think if you can add value to the business by adding expertise or opening up new markets then it makes sense. So, if Microsoft buys an App in a leveraged deal and integrates it into Windows introducing it to a wider audience then it makes sense. It may not work but you could put some kind of monetary value to the purchase from the perspective of Microsoft.

In this case it is hard to value what the new owners brought to the deal and in my opinion it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

And I agree, at some point the music will stop and somehow the club has to rid itself of a lot of debt while trying to maintain a playing squad. And again the question is why is spending £124 million on shares and putting the club in that position in its best interests?
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by willsclarets » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:54 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:42 pm
I think if you can add value to the business by adding expertise or opening up new markets then it makes sense. So, if Microsoft buys an App in a leveraged deal and integrates it into Windows introducing it to a wider audience then it makes sense. It may not work but you could put some kind of monetary value to the purchase from the perspective of Microsoft.

In this case it is hard to value what the new owners brought to the deal and in my opinion it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

And I agree, at some point the music will stop and somehow the club has to rid itself of a lot of debt while trying to maintain a playing squad. And again the question is why is spending £124 million on shares and putting the club in that position in its best interests?
Thanks, the example makes sense and I can see how in some instances things around the finance (expertise, market access, growth op etc) mitigate some of the risk for the company being bought. It would also be somewhat re-assuring if the buying party in the leveraged deal had a massive amount of capital like Microsoft.

So no financial liability on the buyer, without the funds to make the transaction outright, and with no obvious unique advantages of having said buyer own the company/club) it feels very much like someone gambling on someone else's credit card. Brilliant.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by willsclarets » Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:59 pm

Anyway sorry for hijacking the thread with basic stuff no doubt covered much earlier, on with your accounty stuff!

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:35 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:44 am
I apologise.

I will sign off, I've obviously upset the "gang"
It wasn’t a pop at you. Just dismay at the same arguments being regurgitated over and over on this thread.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by RVclaret » Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:14 pm

New charge worth £40m from a new lender. Most likely another re-finance on, presumably, preferred terms?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:33 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:14 pm
New charge worth £40m from a new lender. Most likely another re-finance on, presumably, preferred terms?
Fasanara Capital. Based in London. Founder is ex BAML and JPMorgan where I’m sure one of ALK have links to

Present themselves as fintech investors which is a bit odd!

Think that likely means a refinance as CP has previously said our previous facilities were provided by people insistent they are the sole lender.

Debt still around the £40m mark then.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by GetIntoEm » Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:41 pm

So that's good news then?

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