Coke heads

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:21 pm

Drugs are so good that they will ruin your life.

True story.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:50 pm

I wonder if the ones on here that practice drug taking would be ok with their children getting started. I have no axe to grind, each to their own, but the sensible replies seem to be coming from the non drug takers, and the poorly spelt, nonsensical ones seem to come from the takers.

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:08 pm

Man of Kent wrote:I'll bet you and your acquaintances are a really interesting, outgoing and successful bunch of attractive and likeable people who have really made something of your lives so far.

Well none of them live in Kent.

Amex · Post by **Amex** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:22 pm

Some of the comments on here leave me speechless, it shows the lack of understanding of the devastation that addiction can cause on people, families and the addict.
I hope you never have to deal with a family member/friend/lover being addicted to anything.
Narrow minded feck wit's.

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Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:25 pm

Siddo wrote:I wonder if the ones on here that practice drug taking would be ok with their children getting started. I have no axe to grind, each to their own, but the sensible replies seem to be coming from the non drug takers, and the poorly spelt, nonsensical ones seem to come from the takers.

Post number 144?

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:37 pm

Ightenclaret wrote:Do you ever get the feeling that you are missing out?

I dont even know what a carpet carrier is

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:53 pm

Amex wrote:Cc I hear you but do you drink? If the answer is yes then did you know prior to your first drink that you would not be addicted?
With all due respect I doubt it.

I get what you are saying, but drink is not an illegal drug.

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:01 am

d[-_-]b wrote:Sammy has this right imo. The only true danger with cocaine, as with many drugs out there, is the fact you don't quite know what you're buying. This could all be solved by one simple change. Of course, most drugs aren't healthy (unless someone wants to discuss the health benefits of mushrooms/LSD?) but neither is heading down to the pub and guzzling 8-pints. Neither is eating fatty foods every day. Neither is sitting on your arse watching TV for 5-hours a day. Neither is walking down a busy street full of exhaust fumes.. the list goes on.

These people who sit in pubs enjoying their pints and smoking cigarettes who then feel they have a right to getting angry at someone for having a few lines of cocaine is wrong and shows how uneducated a lot of people are when it comes to drugs. Our whole governments system and attack on drugs is wrong and needs to change. More people take cocaine than you think, likely the only time you notice it is when folk take too much and start getting a bit too...enthusiastic. It's only the same as the 18-year old shotting too much, getting hammered and trying to start fights compared to the group of mid-30s enjoying a few pints and glasses of wine.

Drugs will always be about. It's about educating and using with respect (should you choose). They're not healthy, and I'm not promoting them - but they're really not nearly as bad as the majority make out.

Who is more likely to think and try to fight the world? A-The alcohol drinker or B - the coke head? from my experience in town I vote B...

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:12 am

There is no doubt that out of moderation drink is not good. But that is no different to anything else.

The difference with drink is A) It is legal B ) it is regulated C ) IF in moderation there is little to no evidence to say its harmful. Most people who only drink can moderate themselves. Alcohol is only like other things which can be and apparently are addictive - sugar, caffeine, etc

what is a moderate amount of cocaine? what is the benefit to taking cocaine? Serious question. I drink alcohol primarily because I like the taste of it and believe it or not unless you drink copious amounts of it (which I am guilty of time to time) it is actually relaxing. The issues come when you overdo it. Cocaine on the other hand turns everyone into a knobhead!

Good job it is about 3% cocaine in what they shove up their nose. Any stronger and their head would probably cave in!

Why anyone would fill their body with god knows what chemicals is beyond me.

A local lad died from taking a dodgy batch. The very next week in the very same place friends were taking it.

IMO People who take cocaine have no regard for life - their own or others.

They can get on their high horse about alcohol drinkers or claim I am on mine. But it is the only thing they can ever refer to to justify why the pump grams and grams of rat poison up their nose every week.

Get high on life you simpletons.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:42 am

cloughyclaret wrote:I dont even know what a carpet carrier is

Ten men basically

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:46 am

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Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:49 am

...THEN.

Not now. I really would run a million miles, NOW.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:28 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:The difference with drink is A) It is legal B ) it is regulated C ) IF in moderation there is little to no evidence to say its harmful. Most people who only drink can moderate themselves. Alcohol is only like other things which can be and apparently are addictive - sugar, caffeine, etc

Precisely. So the only difference is, alcohol is legal whereas cocaine and other drugs aren't. If they were, they would also be regulated which takes the main danger away. You seem to suggest people can only moderate their alcohol intake, but believe it or not, other people can be responsible and moderate other things in life too.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:what is a moderate amount of cocaine? what is the benefit to taking cocaine? Serious question. I drink alcohol primarily because I like the taste of it and believe it or not unless you drink copious amounts of it (which I am guilty of time to time) it is actually relaxing. The issues come when you overdo it.

Exactly. You're only seeing the folk who are taking too much (likely mixed with alcohol). It happens, but don't ignore the fact that there's also the people who enjoy in moderation.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Cocaine on the other hand turns everyone into a knobhead!

No it doesn't. You're stereotyping and again, only seeing the guys who have too much (and most likely mixing it with alcohol in the first place). You said yourself that you enjoy alcohol moderately (as do I), so imagine someone on a message board going off at the fact all alcohol drinkers are simpletons who just go out looking for fights?

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:22 am

d[-_-]b wrote:Precisely. So the only difference is, alcohol is legal whereas cocaine and other drugs aren't. If they were, they would also be regulated which takes the main danger away. You seem to suggest people can only moderate their alcohol intake, but believe it or not, other people can be responsible and moderate other things in life too.

Exactly. You're only seeing the folk who are taking too much (likely mixed with alcohol). It happens, but don't ignore the fact that there's also the people who enjoy in moderation.

No it doesn't. You're stereotyping and again, only seeing the guys who have too much (and most likely mixing it with alcohol in the first place). You said yourself that you enjoy alcohol moderately (as do I), so imagine someone on a message board going off at the fact all alcohol drinkers are simpletons who just go out looking for fights?

Exactly, I know loads of people who do all manner of substances and I've never seen any trouble from them yet. Maybe the people cricketfield hangs out with are just knobheads regardless of how intoxicated they are? a huge assumption on my part I know but no more of an assumption than saying everybody who takes coke turns into an idiot.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:49 am

Why would it being regulated take the main danger away, if the main ingredient is harmful:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addi ... ts-effects" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Quite how users will be in twenty, thirty, forty years time probably isn't known yet, but I'd bet that a rise in mental health issues will be one of the issues.

Anyway, as I've said, I've no issue at all with people taking it, it's their life, their choice. Non users shouldn't have to see it though and you're either blind or off your tits if you can't see an issue with it being done in pubs.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:47 am

Ok then. You tell me as I am uneducated (genuinely) on all things narcotics. What are the benefits of taking it? What does it do for you in moderation? How do you know whats proper stuff and whats not? How would you feel if your kids started taking it?

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:53 am

It's pretty sad when people have to take drugs just to get a high. Obviously lacking something both in their lives and upstairs.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:59 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Ok then. You tell me as I am uneducated (genuinely) on all things narcotics. What are the benefits of taking it? What does it do for you in moderation? How do you know whats proper stuff and whats not? How would you feel if your kids started taking it?

Cannabis - chills you out and makes you hungry.
Also medicinal benefits if used correctly, something generaly cannabis smokers like to bang on about.

Ketamine - leaves you unable to do anything pretty much, including walking or talk but it is a horse tranquilizer....

Cocaine - gives you a buzz, bloody big one apparently.

Speedball - mixture of cocaine and something like morphine and heroin - don't know anyone who's done this but it's popular apparently.

Heroin - I know a number of people who've taken this stuff, but I don't talk to them anymore so couldn't tell you what it's about.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:00 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Exactly, I know loads of people who do all manner of substances and I've never seen any trouble from them yet. Maybe the people cricketfield hangs out with are just knobheads regardless of how intoxicated they are? a huge assumption on my part I know but no more of an assumption than saying everybody who takes coke turns into an idiot.

I also know lots of people who can't function socially unless they're either stoned or high off something else....

Each to their own I suppose.

Same with drinkers.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How would you feel if your kids started taking it?

For a parent, this point applies to beer, fags and other things.
I wouldn't want my children to take anything that damages their health or puts the in danger, legal or otherwise.

As for coke, some lads take it for the buzz that beer obviously doesn't give them. Many take it with beer I know, but I've been on lads weekends away where I've spent as much on beer, shots, fags and football bets as the next person has on a few pints but 3 gram of coke as well.

I'm in no position to say if they've wasted their money or what they should spend it on.

I have no different opinion on the regular takers I know, to the rest of the people who don't. That's their jam , crack on.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:43 pm

As a parent I hope my kids don't take recreational drugs or smoke.

I've never smoked or done the recreational drugs, but my boys mum does smoke and well before she had kids she was a recreational drug user.
My daughters mum smokes, has been in rehab years ago for cocaine use and is a stoner but looking to give up.

I've drank, but not to the point I've ended up needing to be taken to hospital.

My boys, who're now teenagers, have only seen me drink twice and that was whilst out eating food, whereas they've seen their mums boyfriend in such a state that he'd thrown up all over himself and the sofa but didn't know he'd done it as he was asleep.
He didn't end up injured thankfully, apart from the ear bashing his missus gave him

My boys don't approve of their mum smoking and keep telling her she's going to get a serious illness so I think they've got the message.

As for drugs, that's something I've told them idiots take in the hope it sinks in, but I think it is.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:51 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I've never smoked or done the recreational drugs, but my boys mum does smoke and well before she had kids she was a recreational drug user.
My daughters mum smokes, has been in rehab years ago for cocaine use and is a stoner but looking to give upeople.

Are you with any of these women now?

DId it strain your relationships with them?

Did you help fund their habit, have to lend them cash, take them to collect it or go and pick it up for them?

How much a week did it cost?

Just curious, as I think it would be a very difficult situation to handle depending on when you found out about their habbit/addiction.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:06 pm

1 - yes, I've got a daughter and live with her mum.
2 - not really, the boys mum was just a smoker when I met her and that relationship failed because we just weren't suited as a couple.
I'd like to add I've only got one son with her, but I also look after her eldest lad, hence my reason for saying my boys.

It doesn't strain the relationship with my current missus, she goes out to see her mates who're fellow stoners.
It used to when I got my digs in about her being a stoner, but as she rightly pointed out she was when we got together.
If you try to make someone stop, they just kick back, so I've stopped nagging her and she now wants to stop of her own accord.

3 - nope, never funded any of it, but neither woman has done the heavier stuff during our time together, nor have I ever gone to pick the stuff up.
I refuse to hold cigarettes for people.
It helps that we don't share a bank account, so I help with the bills etc and the rest is mine to do with as I wish.

4 - couldn't tell you, but it usually depends on how much of it you go through.
Some people smoke cannabis as often as others smoke cigarettes, such is their need, but that also means that overtime they need stronger stuff.

5 - my current was a stoner when I met her, but she's got a cracking set of boobs and is great in bed so I clearly wasn't thinking with my brain when we started dating

We've been together 4 1/2 years though and it just seems to work, so I go with the flow.
Her mates find it very odd we're together considering I'm a bit of a square in regards to drugs and I don't drink anymore either.

I'm against drugs, I'll never encourage it either BUT each to their own really and sometimes it's easier not to argue about it.
Most stoners are socially dependant on it, their circle of friends are usually stoners too, so they all sit around together smoking.
Just not round my house, that's a no smoking zone because of my daughter who lives there and my sons who visit every couple of weeks.

The average stoner isn't out picking fights in town like drunks are, they aren't robbing people or houses to fund their habits either.

It's also amusing when there's a shortage of cannabis due to a change in the weather, it causes issues with how it's grown I believe.

Some of my best friends have also been former drug users, as someone else has already pointed out more people then you think about do various stuff.
I've also stopped speaking to some who've turned into dicks towards me whilst using it.

If I decided to not speak to anyone who's used or uses drugs I'd have even less friends then I do now

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:12 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:what is a moderate amount of cocaine? what is the benefit to taking cocaine? Serious question. I drink alcohol primarily because I like the taste of it and believe it or not unless you drink copious amounts of it (which I am guilty of time to time) it is actually relaxing. The issues come when you overdo it. Cocaine on the other hand turns everyone into a knobhead!

And yet there are far more "knobheads" as you put it who drink alcohol, who ruin the lives of others.

How many people die as a result of some crazed drugs binge in comparison to someone who's had far too many on a Friday or Saturday night?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:15 pm

Spijed wrote:And yet there are far more "knobheads" as you put it who drink alcohol, who ruin the lives of others.

How many people die as a result of some crazed drugs binge in comparison to someone who's had far too many on a Friday or Saturday night?

I'll give you an interesting example.

My Auntie and Uncle were drinkers and used to beat each other up to varying degrees.
Eventually they broke up, but one of the main reasons was my cousin decided that he could hit his mum because he'd seen his dad do it

To contrast this, I didn't see my dad have a drink until I was in my mid 20's, when I got married.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:34 pm

Cheers Sidney, interesting points.

My Wife refused to buy fags for me when I smoked even if I gave her the cash, let her keep the change and she was already going the shop!

She said she would have never started seeing me if she knew I smoked. ( I was only a 5 a dayer, but on nights out or drinking would be 10-20 )
I never smoked in front of my mum, or grandparents even though they knew I smoked, same with the kids when they were very young too. More out of respect than anything, but I was used to only having 5 a day so could go 3/4 hours without one, so never ever smoked in the house, car or in front of minors.

It's my number 1 bug bare when I see pregnant women smoking, people in cars with children in ( usually school run ) or people who smoke in their house, especially with kids in.
Smoke yes, but don't MAKE others do it too.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:39 pm

Smoking with kids in the car is now banned.
Personally I'd ban smoking whilst driving, if I can't use my phone or eat whilst driving I don't understand why smoking is allowed, but at a guess the powers that be smoke whilst driving.

The pregnant thing is a tough one because I know people who have and it's had no adverse affects.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:47 pm

Smoking and alcohol is far more dangerous than drugs

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:02 pm

Thats only because more people do them. Thats kike saying dogs are more dangerous than sharks.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:03 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Thats only because more people do them. Thats kike saying dogs are more dangerous than sharks.

And yet there is absolutely no medical evidence whatsoever to suggest any drugs, such as the ones discussed, are more dangerous than alcohol.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:08 pm

Ive seen first hand the destruction it causes and the affect it has on people.

Yes i know alcohol is bad if people overdo it. But most people dont overdo it.

The only times alcohol has ever caused issues for me is if ive over done it or been in the company of others who have. 9 times out of 10 those that have caused issues for me in them circumstances have taken coke.

Whats the cocaine equivelent of having a pint? And why would you do it? And what does it do to you physically, socially and psycologically?

Do you think the world would be a better place if you could for example go to the turf and order a gram of coke instead of a pint of lager? Or if you could go to a restaurant and order a three course meal and a tenner bag of heroin?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:15 pm

Lots of sensible people don't over do the drink, but that excludes most people out in town having a drink on Thurs, Fri & Sat night.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:51 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Yes i know alcohol is bad if people overdo it. But most people dont overdo it.

Likewise, with other drugs, however with those being illegal the majority of it is hidden from you - you only see the worst from it. There are plenty who dabble who don't overdo it.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Whats the cocaine equivelent of having a pint? And why would you do it? And what does it do to you physically, socially and psycologically?

I wouldn't say there's an equivalent. It's a different drug all together. Cocaine is a stimulant. People tend to use it for various reasons, but a common one would be to extend a night whilst feeling awake, motivated and happy. It works by binding to your brains dopamine receptors to release dopamine and make you feel good.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Do you think the world would be a better place if you could for example go to the turf and order a gram of coke instead of a pint of lager? Or if you could go to a restaurant and order a three course meal and a tenner bag of heroin?

No, for the same reasons as above. Drugs have their time and places, but ultimately they're not good for you and having them widespread in this situation would only end up costing the NHS/Police more. However, I think they should be more accepted in society and I feel a different drugs classification system along with more education on the subject would be better placed to do this than the current fear mongering that's going on.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:07 pm

Sidney1st wrote:As for drugs, that's something I've told them idiots take in the hope it sinks in, but I think it is.

Sidney, I don't know you so please don't think I'm preaching about how to be a correct parent, I'm not. I just feel I should share this story as I know from personal experiences that it doesn't always work out that way.

A mate of mine back in school had a dad who was dead against drugs, regularly telling him how dangerous and stupid they were. When the time came when we started dabbling in smoking, he absolutely loved it. I mean, really really loved it. Because of the fact it was a BIG no no to his family, it seemed to spur him on further. He loved the fact he was experimenting in something that was unknown and illegal. It made him feel "grown up and independent" (his words). He ended up hitting things pretty hard when he was in his twenties and wasted quite a bit of time experimenting, and whilst there's no horror story of him turning into a junkie or anything, I just feel that telling your kids all drug takers are idiots could possibly backfire.

As I say, I don't know your situation and don't want to preach, I just felt I should share that with you.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:24 pm

Thanks for sharing and I understand the point of your story.
By brother was similar and ended up going a bit daft with drugs, started selling etc and ended up needing a cousin to bail him out to the tune of £15k, some of that needed paying on the day some people were on their way round to break his legs

Turns out his master plan to make serious money from selling drugs wasn't well thought out.

If my kids ultimately end up doing stuff, there isn't much I can do about it apart from pick them up off the floor as and when it goes wrong.

My biological son should be fine, hes a carbon copy of me, I think my step son could be the issue tbh.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:27 pm

Last I heard my brother had sorted himself out and works as a manager for a national company.

Still a stoner I suspect, but I haven't spoken to him for about 10-12 years so I can't confirm that.
Our Auntie was always in denial about what he got up to, so she wouldn't be able to confirm it with me either

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:33 pm

It's like Bill Hicks once said, 'if you're totally against drugs then take all your albums and burn them'.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:58 pm

Isn't it time this thread was wrapped up?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:24 pm

d[-_-]b wrote:Sidney, I don't know you so please don't think I'm preaching about how to be a correct parent, I'm not. I just feel I should share this story as I know from personal experiences that it doesn't always work out that way.

A mate of mine back in school had a dad who was dead against drugs, regularly telling him how dangerous and stupid they were. When the time came when we started dabbling in smoking, he absolutely loved it. I mean, really really loved it. Because of the fact it was a BIG no no to his family, it seemed to spur him on further. He loved the fact he was experimenting in something that was unknown and illegal. It made him feel "grown up and independent" (his words). He ended up hitting things pretty hard when he was in his twenties and wasted quite a bit of time experimenting, and whilst there's no horror story of him turning into a junkie or anything, I just feel that telling your kids all drug takers are idiots could possibly backfire.

As I say, I don't know your situation and don't want to preach, I just felt I should share that with you.

Its all down to the individual. And that is from experience and having brought up with and around families who preached against it.

The people who will influence you most unless you are very headstrong are those you spend time around in your late teens and or in bad times.

It can be no coincidence either that out of all of my mates, I am the only one who doesnt take stuff. Yet it is always them who say how impressed they are that I dont and wish they were like that than vice versa. I dont think its impressive that I dont take them at all. But shows the perception and mindset of those who do take them. I dont know anyone who takes them who doesnt wish they didnt.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:31 pm

Thanks for understanding Sidney, just wanted to share my experience. I hope your lads don't follow in my mates footsteps (though admittedly, he's got himself a solid job and lives in Japan now so he's not doing too bad!)

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its all down to the individual.

Agree completely. We're all different, some shouldn't drink, some can handle it. Some shouldn't take drugs, some can handle it. It's ultimately your responsibility should you choose to do anything, not any outside pressures.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I dont know anyone who takes them who doesnt wish they didnt.

Do you only speak to your mates the morning after?

Joking apart, that's crazy. And kind of proves my point that we should change our outlook on them. If your mates are feeling that way, do you think they would ask for help if they could walk into a hospital and ask for it? Or do you think a lot of the reason they're hiding it is because of the potential backlash from the police/law?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:38 pm

I dont think they are hiding it for a potential police backlash. I doubt they even think of that. I think they are more bothered about image and perception. I genuinely doubt if any of them enjoy it. And no, usually when they are about to take it. Usually when in a circle with people I haven't met before. When the obligatory line gets passed round and they are dumbfounded that I dont do it.

And a lot of them dont fit the stereotype either.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:47 pm

I find it odd that they'd keep doing something if they say they don't enjoy it, especially with the ridiculous cost of the stuff. I can't say I know anybody like that, perhaps they do need help?

Fair play to you for sticking to your guns.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:53 pm

Smokers tend to have a similar comment.

I've never smoked and they always tell me not to

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:27 pm

"I'd like to teach the world to ping, in perfect harmony, throw bar stools, ashtrays in the face, of this contingency"...

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:43 pm

d[-_-]b wrote:I find it odd that they'd keep doing something if they say they don't enjoy it, especially with the ridiculous cost of the stuff. I can't say I know anybody like that, perhaps they do need help?

Fair play to you for sticking to your guns.

Smokers. Drinkers. Drug takers. Many other addicts. Not many of them enjoy what they do. OR want to do it. But seemingly cant help it for whatever reason.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:24 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Smokers. Drinkers. Drug takers. Many other addicts. Not many of them enjoy what they do. OR want to do it. But seemingly cant help it for whatever reason.

Yeah, my last post sounded a bit clueless really, I understand addiction, but I assumed your friends are taking it socially and not dependant at all? I know many, many people who take drugs, but only at parties/events/gigs etc. I don't think I know any who feel they're having to take it and not enjoy it.. Other than smokers as Sidney said.

If they're telling you they don't like it and don't want to continue but are still doing so, perhaps you should try and help them out?

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:31 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Smoking and alcohol is far more dangerous than drugs

Very true. In terms of damage done to health, alcohol is by far the worst. Which kind of makes it unusual that it is widely used and seen as 'ok' - however there are other reasons why that is the case. Ecstasy is actually in the middle to low end of the damaging substances, whilst shrooms are right down the other end and don't do much harm to health compared to the rest. Of course in all this I am talking about physical harm, not necessarily mental harm.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:35 pm

d[-_-]b wrote:Yeah, my last post sounded a bit clueless really, I understand addiction, but I assumed your friends are taking it socially and not dependant at all? I know many, many people who take drugs, but only at parties/events/gigs etc. I don't think I know any who feel they're having to take it and not enjoy it.. Other than smokers as Sidney said.

If they're telling you they don't like it and don't want to continue but are still doing so, perhaps you should try and help them out?

Where would I start. It would fall on deaf ears. And I have learnt to sort myself out. Used to always try and help everyone else with their problems, addictions and suchlike. Its never reciprocated, rarely appreciated and always ends up psychologically and emotionally draining and challenging.

A couple of people that mean the most I have had proper talks with, sent messages to even wrote letters to. But the advice is never heeded. I guess best thing is to be there when they need it and let them know thats the case. They will hopefully give up when they want to. After all who needs some expert preaching who has never done it themselves eh!?

Sorry off on a bit of a depressing tangent here.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Belial wrote:Very true. In terms of damage done to health, alcohol is by far the worst. Which kind of makes it unusual that it is widely used and seen as 'ok' - however there are other reasons why that is the case. Ecstasy is actually in the middle to low end of the damaging substances, whilst shrooms are right down the other end and don't do much harm to health compared to the rest. Of course in all this I am talking about physical harm, not necessarily mental harm.

Exactly. And therein lies the issue.

Even weed. Supposedly harmless. Most people I know who smoke or smoked this heavily are either very paranoid, edgey, antisocial and / or comspiracists!!!

I have tried it a few times and fortunately it has never ever done anything positive for me. Dont know if I was missing something or did it 'wrong'. But it didnt make me feel good, relaxed, chilled - nothing! Maybe a bit sick. Its the only thing I have tried and even feel guilty about trying that! Thankfully it did nothing but if it did who knows what it could have lead to.

I think one of the issues is the amount of things people mix. Drugs and alcohol are never going to be a good mix. Mixing different drinks was always said to be a no no and with good reason as thats bad enough! In fact come to think of it, the only times I have had problem with drinking is drinking lots of very different drinks very quickly.

Ten pints and I would be fine. 10 pints of lager and cider less so. 5 pints of cider, a few lager, and shots / spirits and you become a totally different charachter altogether. Especially if in the wrong environment, frame of mind or company.