Jeremy Corbyn & the IRA

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun May 28, 2017 2:42 pm

I note that the SF/IRA aren't associating themselves with Corbyn or Abbott.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 28, 2017 2:59 pm

aggi wrote:Out of curiosity, in what way did Corbyn oppose the Good Friday Agreement? A quick google seems very sparse on actual detail and searching Hansards doesn't throw anything up. The comments there from him seem supportive if anything.

Here you are:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 27_HOC_294" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:01 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:I note that the SF/IRA aren't associating themselves with Corbyn or Abbott.

The IRA are actually confirming what Corbyn is attempting to deny.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/t ... drew-neil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:03 pm

Tories keep trying to flog something to death, in the hope of a snear, when it all actually turned into peace....is it because they are warmongers by nature?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:15 pm

IanMcL wrote:Tories keep trying to flog something to death, in the hope of a snear, when it all actually turned into peace....is it because they are warmongers by nature?

Happy to let the electorate decide IanMcL.

Corbyn is a man who doesn't even have the support of his MPs.

He is a man who instinctively campaigns against Britain - his record with the IRA is there for all to see. Even the Guardian have called him out on it.

It's so clear cut that the Guardian and the Daily Mail both agree on it - Corbyn is a loser who was in league with the IRA.

The British people will decide if that is the kind of person they want as PM.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:17 pm

What's turned into peace?
Or did you mean to write ceasefire?

You do know the IRA are starting to become more active again don't you?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:27 pm

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:28 pm

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:43 pm

I think the last quite sort of sums it all up, He's commemorating EVERYONE who died.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:52 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:I think the last quite sort of sums it all up, He's commemorating EVERYONE who died.

I think the problem is the bit where he said "for an independent Ireland". I also think the problem with people like Andy is that they don't seem to think it's possible for peoples opinions to change in 30 years.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:57 pm

He's commemorating EVERYONE ... at an IRA vigil.

Did he go to any vigil's for the SAS soldier murdered by IRA member Angelo Fusco?

I ask because Jeremy Corbyn shared a platform with IRA member Angelo Fusco ... whilst Fusco was on the run from British police having been convicted in his absence for murdering an SAS soldier.

Perhaps he was just sharing a platform with a convicted, on the run, IRA to commemorate EVERYONE?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think the problem is the bit where he said "for an independent Ireland". I also think the problem with people like Andy is that they don't seem to think it's possible for peoples opinions to change in 30 years.

This isn't the problem at all. Diane Abbott has admitted that she has changed her mind.

Jeremy Corbyn is trying to tell the British people that he did not support the IRA.

He's lying through his teeth.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun May 28, 2017 7:46 pm

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sun May 28, 2017 8:13 pm

Rowls wrote:This isn't the problem at all. Diane Abbott has admitted that she has changed her mind.

Jeremy Corbyn is trying to tell the British people that he did not support the IRA.

He's lying through his teeth.

Theresa May changed her mind about the dementia tax a day or so later. Strong and stable!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Sun May 28, 2017 8:41 pm

Rowls wrote:Here you are:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 27_HOC_294" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's the Anglo-Irish agreement which was about fifteen years before the Good Friday Agreement.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun May 28, 2017 9:40 pm

aggi wrote:That's the Anglo-Irish agreement which was about fifteen years before the Good Friday Agreement.

The paving stones for the Belfast agreement

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:22 am

aggi wrote:That's the Anglo-Irish agreement which was about fifteen years before the Good Friday Agreement.

But he argues against the exact same principle the Good Friday agreement was built upon.

It shows exactly why he chose the IRA too - because he wanted all British influence out of the Ulster province for the Northern Ireland to be given over to the Irish Republic.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon May 29, 2017 2:36 am

Rowls wrote:But he argues against the exact same principle the Good Friday agreement was built upon.

It shows exactly why he chose the IRA too - because he wanted all British influence out of the Ulster province for the Northern Ireland to be given over to the Irish Republic.

So you can't provide any evidence that Corbyn opposed the Good Friday Agreement? It's no wonder posters are struggling to explain to you why he opposed the Good Friday Agreement if there's no evidence that he did oppose it.

One of the significant differences, which Corbyn refers to, is that the Good Friday Agreement was agreed after a referendum of the Irish people supported it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:34 am

Rowls wrote:Jeremy Corbyn was involved in constructing a response to the attempted murder of Margaret Thatcher (a terrorist bombing that killed 5 innocent people) so although it cannot be directly attributed to a single person, Jeremy Corbyn shares collective credit for it:

"We refuse to parrot the ritual condemnation of ‘violence’ because we insist on placing responsibility where it lies…. Let our Iron Lady know this: those who live by the sword shall die by it. If she wants violence, then violence she will certainly get."

That's from the extreme left wing journal "Labour Briefing" which published this response to the Brighton bombing. Jeremy Corbyn served as editor (along with others) at the journal when they printed this statement.

People can make up their own minds about Jeremy Corbyn - just as long as we're not re-writing history or pretending Jeremy Corbyn did a single thing to help the peace process.

He did his best to stop it and his very best to support the IRA.

Got this linked again and it sounded familiar. Didn't stop the JC smears though, did it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3_isBBBDxU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:54 am

claretandy wrote:Corbyn helped get the IRA tax breaks

https://andrewgilliganblog.wordpress.co ... documents/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't suggest you click the link - took me to a spam page where I had won a new iPhone 8...

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:10 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think the problem is the bit where he said "for an independent Ireland". I also think the problem with people like Andy is that they don't seem to think it's possible for peoples opinions to change in 30 years.

Would you let a convicted paedophile that had served his prison sentence and been rehabilitated look after your kids
Some things are just wrong and you will always be tarred by them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:14 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Would you let a convicted paedophile that had served his prison centre and been reabilitated
Look after your kids
Some things are just wrong and you will always be tarred by them.

Being a paedophile isn't a choice. I think you mean child abuser, and no. But then Corbyn hasn't been convicted of anything. Had he been tried and convicted of supporting terrorism then there's no way i'd support him, because there'd be actual evidence. But all we have is bluster from a media that has proven themselves to be willing to take his comments far out of context. I simply don't trust what they say any more.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:15 am

BleedingClaret wrote:Would you let a convicted paedophile that had served his prison sentence and been rehabilitated look after your kids
Some things are just wrong and you will always be tarred by them.

What about all those that subsequently became friends with Martin McGuiness, such as Ian Paisley?

One of the most unlikely friendships there has ever been.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:19 am

I think the thing is that Paisley and McGuiness would happily accept they were on either side of the conflict and were former enemies.

Corbyn's lying when he says he didn't support the IRA. He did support the IRA.

He wanted peace in Ireland, sure. He wanted peace in a united Ireland where the IRA had won a military victory over the British troops stationed there.

It's an obvious lie. If he were merely attempting to talk to both sides and bring people together then find an example of him inviting Unionist terrorists to Parliament after an atrocity.

There is no such example. Even Diane Abbott has admitted she supported the IRA. She had the grace to tell the British public she was wrong and changed her mind when she changed her haircut.

But Jeremy Corbyn supported the other side and is now lying to you.

Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:22 am

Here's an excellent and balanced article of Jeremy Corbyn:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/wel ... -politics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:33 am

Well, it's an article.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:33 am

By "excellent and balanced" you mean "i like this cos it agrees with me".

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:36 am

No surprise that this thread title comes to the top today.
#predictable

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:41 am

I'm not going to tell him.

MrTopTier wrote:No surprise that this thread title comes to the top today.
#predictable

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:By "excellent and balanced" you mean "i like this cos it agrees with me".

No.

I do not agree with all of the article.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:17 am

Rowls, whilst you're here I'm still waiting for that evidence for your assertion that Corbyn opposed the Good Friday Agreement. Your last "evidence" related to a different agreement 15 years prior to the good Friday Agreement.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:19 am

You'll be waiting forever. Rowls doesn't do "backing up ones arguments". He an opinions-based fact kind of person.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:19 am

Spijed wrote:What about all those that subsequently became friends with Martin McGuiness, such as Ian Paisley?

One of the most unlikely friendships there has ever been.

Not whilst they were orchestrating the killing

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:19 am

Rowls wrote:No.

I do not agree with all of the article.

Rowls why do you support a liar ?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:31 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Being a paedophile isn't a choice. I think you mean child abuser, and no. But then Corbyn hasn't been convicted of anything. Had he been tried and convicted of supporting terrorism then there's no way i'd support him, because there'd be actual evidence. But all we have is bluster from a media that has proven themselves to be willing to take his comments far out of context. I simply don't trust what they say any more.

All correct, but I think Abbott gave it away, she was very very glib about there past.
His decision to have her in his team was diabolical.
I genuinely believe that after all the Trump palaver, that I actually think Corbyn is less fit to run this country than Trump is for the USA.
Yes he talks well, says the right things, but whilst May has been running a country, preparing for Brexit and dealing with Terrorist attacks, all he has had to do is write and practice rhetorical speeches, it is all he has ever done.
Talking about bluster!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:31 am

Plenty to pick through on this:

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id= ... #divisions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:34 am

BleedingClaret wrote:All correct, but I think Abbott gave it away, she was very very glib about there past.
His decision o have her in his team was diabolical.
I genuinely believe that after all the Trump palaver, that I actually think Corbyn is less fit to run this country than Trump is for the USA.
Yes he talks well, says the right things, but whilst May has been running a country, preparing for Brexit and dealing with Terrorist attacks, all he has had to do is write and practice rhetorical speeches, it is all he has ever done.
Talking about bluster!

I didn't like his choice of Abbott for anything either, but then he wasn't exactly blessed with a large choice of MPs to choose from given how much contempt with which the PLP held the membership of their own party that elected him, twice.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:41 am

I wonder why some Tory poster brings this dead news to the fore? What day is it I wonder?

Party 1 = manifesto for the ordinary folk
Party 2 = manifesto for the rich

Hmmm...

ClaretCliff · Post by **ClaretCliff** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:47 am

Haven't had chance to read all this thread yet so apologies if this has already been posted. If anyone still thinks Jeremy Corbyn doesn't sympathise with, or even support terrorists, here's a list of 100 times he has sided with them :-

1.Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
2.Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
3.Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
4.Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
5.Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
6.Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
7.Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
8.Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
9.Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
10.Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
11.Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
12.Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
13.Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
14.Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
15.Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
16.Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
17.Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
18.Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
19.Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
20.Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
21.Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
22.Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
23.Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
24.Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
25.Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
26.Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
27.Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
28.Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
29.Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
30.Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
31.Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
32.Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
33.Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
34.Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
35.Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
36.Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
37.Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
38.Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
39.Opposed shoot to kill.
40.Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
41.Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
42.Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
43.Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
44.Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
45.Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
46.Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
47.Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
48.Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
49.Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
50.Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
51.Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
52.Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
53.Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
54.Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
55.Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
56.Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
57.Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
58.Received endorsement from Hamas.
59.Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
60.Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
61.Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
62.Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
63.Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
64.Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
65.Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
66.Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
67.Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
68.Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
69.Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
70.Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
71.Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
72.Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
73.Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
74.Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
75.Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
76.Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
77.Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
78.Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
79.Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
80.Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
81.Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
82.Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
83.Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
84.Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
85.Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
86.Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
87.Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
88.Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
89.Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
90.Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
91.Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
92.Voted against banning support for the IRA.
93.Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
94.Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
95.Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
96.Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
97.Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
98.Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
99.Voted against control orders.
100.Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

I would say that's pretty damning.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:51 am

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/l ... -ira-lies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course it is all made up, even IRA members are making it up.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:55 am

ClaretCliff wrote:[late propaganda]

Should have piped up with your list earlier then shouldn't you? Then we'd have time to scutinise it properly, but i don't think you wanted that.

And if you're going to claim he refused to criticise ISA violence even when he repeatedly said he criticised all violence, you're low on the credibility graph.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:57 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I didn't like his choice of Abbott for anything either, but then he wasn't exactly blessed with a large choice of MPs to choose from given how much contempt with which the PLP held the membership of their own party that elected him, twice.

I'm rather thinking that the PLP have a better grasp of who he really is than the devout Labour supporters that he entrances and the new youth that have yet to understand the difference between utopia and reality.

ClaretCliff · Post by **ClaretCliff** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:12 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Should have piped up with your list earlier then shouldn't you? Then we'd have time to scutinise it properly, but i don't think you wanted that.

And if you're going to claim he refused to criticise ISA violence even when he repeatedly said he criticised all violence, you're low on the credibility graph.

The list was only published at 8:29 this morning, and I had seen it just before I copied it on here, so I could not have posted it earlier.

And I've no problem with you scrutinising it, in fact I will make it very easy for you. if you follow this link https://order-order.com/ to where I copied the list from there is a link to the source of each statement. Simples!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:20 am

ClaretCliff wrote:The list was only published at 8:29 this morning, and I had seen it just before I copied it on here, so I could not have posted it earlier.

And I've no problem with you scrutinising it, in fact I will make it very easy for you. if you follow this link https://order-order.com/ to where I copied the list from there is a link to the source of each statement. Simples!

Do you not wonder why it was left till then? It's to scare undecideds who don't have time to wait for fact checks.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:23 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you not wonder why it was left till then? It's to scare undecideds who don't have time to wait for fact checks.

We are scared already ta.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:23 am

BleedingClaret wrote:We are scared already ta.

Boo!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:30 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you not wonder why it was left till then? It's to scare undecideds who don't have time to wait for fact checks.

Well, instead of looking at all 100, look at number 13. Corbyn personally signed an Early Day motion which specifically blamed the UK government for the bomb that killed 12 people at a Remembrance Day service at Enniskillen. The IRA, who planted the bomb and admitted it, were not named as being in any way responsible.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:32 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Should have piped up with your list earlier then shouldn't you? Then we'd have time to scutinise it properly, but i don't think you wanted that.

And if you're going to claim he refused to criticise ISA violence even when he repeatedly said he criticised all violence, you're low on the credibility graph.

But still a lot higher than you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:34 am

Hapag Lloyd wrote:But still a lot higher than you.

Only to "special" people.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:36 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Boo!

You missed the m

If you ever leave your house one day then you can comment.
Has supermarket home delivery made you more independent from your Mum
There I go sinking down to your level and getting all personal when my intellect lets me down.
God Tony please ban me for a day or two and save me from myself and this protagonist.
Please