Andrew Neil Interviews

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 2:23 am

dsr wrote:On an absolutely literal level, that's true. A government bond (like a corporate bond) is at a fixed interest rate over the term of the bond.

But you can mislead by suppression of the truth; you don't need to tell lies. And suppression of the truth is what you're doing here, because I don't believe you can have such a simplistic view of how bonds work. To clarify: at the end of the life of a bond, the government has to pay it back in full. But the government doesn't have a large well of petty cash; so it issues a new bond. And if the bond rates have gone up, then the practical effect is that they have to pay more interest. As you well know.

But I do admire your faith in the efficiency of government spending. Is the Humber Bridge the example you had in mind?

Did you not read the example i quoted? You create a tax to pay for the bond. Nothing was suppressed. I accept your apology.

dsr
Posts: 16284
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4883 times
Has Liked: 2598 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by dsr » Sun May 28, 2017 2:32 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Did you not read the example i quoted? You create a tax to pay for the bond. Nothing was suppressed. I accept your apology.
Good of you to admit I was right all along.

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 2:34 am

dsr wrote:Good of you to admit I was right all along.
You and your alternative facts. :roll:

dsr
Posts: 16284
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4883 times
Has Liked: 2598 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by dsr » Sun May 28, 2017 2:35 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You and your alternative facts. :roll:
Don't be so hard on yourself.

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 2:37 am

lol. you said 'hard on'

dsr
Posts: 16284
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4883 times
Has Liked: 2598 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by dsr » Sun May 28, 2017 2:45 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:lol. you said 'hard on'
I knew we'd do better at your level.
This user liked this post: Imploding Turtle

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 7:45 am

Spiral wrote:Show me the commodity the UK economy is almost entirely reliant upon and I'll begin to listen. Show me where Corbyn has called for a planned-economy and price caps on essentials and I'll listen even more closely. In fact, I'll double down on that. If he brings in price caps on food, I'll go out in the streets and protest against him right along side you.
Financial services.
It won't be for long though when JC taxes the service industry away to pay for all of his madcap ideas

claretandy
Posts: 4751
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 953 times
Has Liked: 238 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by claretandy » Sun May 28, 2017 7:52 am

IanMcL wrote:I think you will find that Corbyn believes that the only way for real peace is through dialogue and not bullets. That is why he has met so many yukky folk along the way. Not to support but to try and get them to search for peace.

I am not a Corbynite, far from it. However, the Labour manifesto actually has help for the most important issues which affect us mere mortals. The tories and some on here go on about Labour's financial credibility and yet the Labour years were fantastic. Only the world financial crisis, caused by the Yanks, brought down the world 'capitalist' system and the tories turned a series of positive financial moves, which were having a positive effect, into 'Austerity'. Shrink the economy, give people fear, so they work for nowt and keep shtum when pushed around by the bosses. This means the very rich can exploit them easier and make many fortunes at the expense of the increasing poor.

Sadly people believe tory propaganda too readily. That's what a lack of thinking ability does for you!

Never vote for people who kill foxes for sport, deprive the old and young, keep the workers short and feed the rich. It's bad for your health...and education.
If he wanted peace then why did he only meet with one side of any argument ? IRA/Hamas/Hezbollah ?

HatfieldClaret
Posts: 2551
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:29 pm
Been Liked: 605 times
Has Liked: 346 times
Location: Hertfordshire

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by HatfieldClaret » Sun May 28, 2017 8:39 am

Ian

If you honestly think that Corbyn was a man of peace..... I get the impression that some on here are trying hard to justify his toxic Marxist revolutionary politics because he is the Labour leader and he will be impossible to ditch if he does a lot better than expected.

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 8:40 am

claretandy wrote:If he wanted peace then why did he only meet with one side of any argument ? IRA/Hamas/Hezbollah ?
Possibly because you negotiate peace with your enemies, not your friends.
This user liked this post: IanMcL

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 8:41 am

HatfieldClaret wrote:Ian

If you honestly think that Corbyn was a man of peace..... I get the impression that some on here are trying hard to justify his toxic Marxist revolutionary politics because he is the Labour leader and he will be impossible to ditch if he does a lot better than expected.
In your opinion what is it about him that makes him a "Marxist revolutionary"?

HatfieldClaret
Posts: 2551
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:29 pm
Been Liked: 605 times
Has Liked: 346 times
Location: Hertfordshire

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by HatfieldClaret » Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 am

"sigh"

Good morning IT, don't you ever sleep ? :|


Other than him being a Marxist and supporting revolutionary politics (IRA/Hamas/Sandinistas/Castro/Chavez/Marx)... :roll:

Dunno mate, you got me there.

Hipper
Been Liked: 1 time
Has Liked: 948 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Hipper » Sun May 28, 2017 9:13 am

The argument about National Debt is interesting.

Firstly we (including me) have been told on here a few times that a country's financial arrangements cannot be equated to personal finance, and presumably business too.

Secondly incurring a national debt does pass on responsibility for future generations. They will either have to pay it back or borrow again. Meanwhile of course we have to service the debt, which currently seems to be around £48 billion a year, not an insignificant sum:

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/budget_pie_ukgs.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There was a discussion on this subject here:

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 59#p403559" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Last edited by Hipper on Sun May 28, 2017 9:14 am, edited 2 times in total.

claretandy
Posts: 4751
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 953 times
Has Liked: 238 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by claretandy » Sun May 28, 2017 9:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Possibly because you negotiate peace with your enemies, not your friends.
But the IRA are his friends ?

claretandy
Posts: 4751
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 953 times
Has Liked: 238 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by claretandy » Sun May 28, 2017 9:14 am

Dan Hodges in the MoS nails Corbyn again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... l#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 9:19 am

claretandy wrote:But the IRA are his friends ?
Yeah, yeah, and so are Hamas, and Hezbollah, and Bin Laden's death was a tragedy, and he hates Britain etc. Heard it all before.

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 9:25 am

claretandy wrote:Dan Hodges in the MoS nails Corbyn again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... l#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:lol:

AndrewJB
Posts: 3824
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:20 pm
Been Liked: 1165 times
Has Liked: 761 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by AndrewJB » Sun May 28, 2017 9:49 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:This is the bit I respectfully disagree with.

Yes, it is a quality that is useful to have. We have had the smooth delivery of Blair and Cameron, and the soapbox style of Brown that Corbyn is similar to. May is not as good as any at this, but then neither is Mrs Deadpan - Angela Merkel. She seems to be making a decent stab at this leader lark.

I have said before she is paranoid due to her lack of trust in others - that is her weakness. She has done a "Dyche" and sat on a lead rather than pushing on, a huge error. She is steely and principled though, and loves Britain. Corbyn is weak and loves his principles. A big difference. I worry (understatement of the year) about the stuff Corbyn has NOT put in his manifesto but may seek to bring in if he could afterwards. All of us can only guess about what that is.
Corbyn isn't weak though, is he? He's gained the leadership in the face of a lot of opposition - not least of all from within his own party. He's carried on as leader despite everything thrown against him for two years - mass resignations, press smears, everything he's done in the last two years forensically examined and twisted against him (you mention patriotism - what could be more patriotic as a politician than serving as an MP for over thirty years and not going for that greasy pole? There can be no doubting Corbyn's love of country, but it is something constantly cast in question due to the angle of his bow, or some other ridiculous thing. Corbyn's patriotism might look different on the outside but it's no less genuine. All these things are indicative of strength.
This user liked this post: longsidepies

CrosspoolClarets
Posts: 6884
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:00 pm
Been Liked: 2000 times
Has Liked: 511 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun May 28, 2017 9:59 am

AndrewJB wrote:Corbyn isn't weak though, is he? He's gained the leadership in the face of a lot of opposition - not least of all from within his own party. He's carried on as leader despite everything thrown against him for two years - mass resignations, press smears, everything he's done in the last two years forensically examined and twisted against him (you mention patriotism - what could be more patriotic as a politician than serving as an MP for over thirty years and not going for that greasy pole? There can be no doubting Corbyn's love of country, but it is something constantly cast in question due to the angle of his bow, or some other ridiculous thing. Corbyn's patriotism might look different on the outside but it's no less genuine. All these things are indicative of strength.
I think he is weak in the ideological sense, overly liberal and not prioritised keeping us safe. He is strong in a different sense.

He is not patriotic. He may never have been invited up the greasy pole, he is hardly a Blairite. He certainly looks keen on the top now. His loyalty is to the world's underprivileged or oppressed. That is different to British patriotism however admirable.

I would have voted for Ed Milliband over and again instead of Corbyn so this isn't a right / left thing. I just see him as doing even worse for our country than Hollande has done for France.

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 10:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Possibly because you negotiate peace with your enemies, not your friends.
Why did he vote against the Anglo Irish agreement?

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3322 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:10 am

Why did May vote to invade Iraq ?

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 10:12 am

Because the last Labour government lied about WMD'S.

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3322 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:13 am

So why did Corbyn vote against Iraq ?

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 10:15 am

He's Was probably good friends with Saddam Hussein

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3322 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:30 am

Damo wrote:He's Was probably good friends with Saddam Hussein
On the basis of your politics you sound like you were not far off bezzie mates with Saddam yourself

Damo & Saddam sitting in a tree....... K.I.S.S.I.N.G....etc

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 10:32 am

Joking apart, what does his stance on Iraq have to do with his friendship with the IRA?

nil_desperandum
Posts: 7725
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
Been Liked: 1934 times
Has Liked: 4307 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun May 28, 2017 10:37 am

Damo wrote:Why did he vote against the Anglo Irish agreement?
Why not do some research yourself?
Anyway, if you read the Hansard transcript of the Parliamentary debate he - along with many others - made many pertinent points. (Of course you may disagree with him, and / or with the other negative views which were put forward by members of all different political parties, but he was by no means a lone voice).
Amongst other points he said:
Mr. Corbyn: Does the hon. Gentleman accept that some of us oppose the agreement for reasons other than those that he has given? We believe that the agreement strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a United Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.
Last edited by nil_desperandum on Sun May 28, 2017 10:38 am, edited 2 times in total.
This user liked this post: hampsteadclaret

hampsteadclaret
Posts: 3235
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:25 am
Been Liked: 1110 times
Has Liked: 802 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by hampsteadclaret » Sun May 28, 2017 10:38 am

165...Owen Jones runs rings round Dan Hodges every time they sit down together - Hodges needs a stiff drink and a two hour lie down afterwards.. :D
Last edited by hampsteadclaret on Sun May 28, 2017 11:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 10:44 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Why not do some research yourself?
I'm not asking to be educated. I'm asking to get to the real reason why he liked to hang around with the IRA

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3322 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:46 am

Damo wrote:Joking apart, what does his stance on Iraq have to do with his friendship with the IRA?
when you are inserting words like "friendship" there is not much point having a serious debate.

Corbyn had specific reasons for voting against the Anglo Irish agreement - as much as you want to believe it this is not the same as him supporting (or being friends) with the IRA just because they did not support the agreement either (for very different reasons).

Are you seriously saying that JC voted against this because he wanted the IRA to continue carrying out acts of terrorism ?

Bordeauxclaret
Posts: 11260
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:36 pm
Been Liked: 3636 times
Has Liked: 2243 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun May 28, 2017 10:47 am

Damo wrote:I'm not asking to be educated. I'm asking to get to the real reason why he liked to hang around with the IRA

Hahaha

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3322 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:50 am

"Hang about" ?!!!

What planet are you on ?

Why don't you go the whole hog and photo shop a picture of him with a balaclava having a Guinness with some IRA soldiers ?

You ever thought of applying for a job with The Sun ?

hampsteadclaret
Posts: 3235
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:25 am
Been Liked: 1110 times
Has Liked: 802 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by hampsteadclaret » Sun May 28, 2017 10:51 am

179....yes but when others educate you [as above] you seem to have real difficulty in accepting the information that you've been given.

'he liked to hang around with the IRA' - what a very stupid comment to make..grow up.

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 10:55 am

TVC15 wrote:when you are inserting words like "friendship" there is not much point having a serious debate.

Corbyn had specific reasons for voting against the Anglo Irish agreement - as much as you want to believe it this is not the same as him supporting (or being friends) with the IRA just because they did not support the agreement either (for very different reasons).

Are you seriously saying that JC voted against this because he wanted the IRA to continue carrying out acts of terrorism ?
His specific reasons for voting against the Anglo Irish agreement was because he wanted a United Ireland.
He towed the same line as Sinn Fein.

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun May 28, 2017 10:56 am

Damo wrote:Why did he vote against the Anglo Irish agreement?

Because he hates Britain and wants to see us invaded by Eire.

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3322 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by TVC15 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:56 am

Damo wrote:I'm not asking to be educated. I'm asking to get to the real reason why he liked to hang around with the IRA
It sounds like you've been resisting that offer to be educated all of your life Damo.

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 11:02 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:179....yes but when others educate you [as above] you seem to have real difficulty in accepting the information that you've been given.
Do you accept every single piece of information you are given as fact Hampstead?
The fact it was copied and pasted from a Corbyn fan forum means I'll take it with a small pinch of salt thanks
hampsteadclaret wrote:what a very stupid comment to make..grow up.
Haha. You accused me of working in a car wash yesterday (like there's anything wrong with that) because I disagreed with you.
There's no moral highground here for you

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 11:03 am

TVC15 wrote:It sounds like you've been resisting that offer to be educated all of your life Damo.
It's beyond you certainly

thatdberight
Posts: 3748
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:49 am
Been Liked: 937 times
Has Liked: 716 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by thatdberight » Sun May 28, 2017 11:04 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:...the odd-looking Dan Hodges...
You really are a piece of work aren't you?

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 11:15 am

thatdberight wrote:You really are a piece of work aren't you?
We can add abusing disabled people to his list, along side being derogatory of low paid, manual workers.
Didn't he used to work with kids or something?

hampsteadclaret
Posts: 3235
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:25 am
Been Liked: 1110 times
Has Liked: 802 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by hampsteadclaret » Sun May 28, 2017 11:18 am

:D Ha..is that the worst thing you've seen on here this week..? :)

hampsteadclaret
Posts: 3235
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:25 am
Been Liked: 1110 times
Has Liked: 802 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by hampsteadclaret » Sun May 28, 2017 11:21 am

I know you don't work in a car wash Damo [and there certainly is no issue with that] - I was taking the mickey out of you because you were bragging last week about the great work you do in the private sector.

hampsteadclaret
Posts: 3235
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:25 am
Been Liked: 1110 times
Has Liked: 802 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by hampsteadclaret » Sun May 28, 2017 11:25 am

I just read this...in reference to Dan Hodges.

'in February 1992 he lost his left eye trying to stop a fight in a bar...

I apologise and withdraw my earlier comment fully..I was having a go at his Daily Mail credentials more than anything.
This user liked this post: Damo

CrosspoolClarets
Posts: 6884
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:00 pm
Been Liked: 2000 times
Has Liked: 511 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun May 28, 2017 11:30 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote: I worry (understatement of the year) about the stuff Corbyn has NOT put in his manifesto but may seek to bring in if he could afterwards. All of us can only guess about what that is.
nil_desperandum wrote:Totally unnecessary to worry about this.
Just to pick up on this reply from last night, the things I would worry about Corbyn bringing in if he is in power (even in a coalition) are:

An independance vote for Scotland and NI (I think he is in favour of their independance)
Double the stating public spending by spending on other things as well as those in the manifesto
Tightening of the rules regarding police and MI5 surveillance without a court order
Retaining freedom of movement and even loosening it outside the EU

Those are just four, but all are things where he could easily get away with it with coalition partners by offering deals in return. All four could be a disaster and couldn't be easily undone by the next government. His manifesto is to get elected - once elected the more controversial stuff can be pursued, and Labour have a good number of Lords too. He is very good at running campaigns, him getting in is not a fairy story.

thatdberight
Posts: 3748
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:49 am
Been Liked: 937 times
Has Liked: 716 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by thatdberight » Sun May 28, 2017 11:51 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:I just read this...in reference to Dan Hodges.

'in February 1992 he lost his left eye trying to stop a fight in a bar...

I apologise and withdraw my earlier comment fully..I was having a go at his Daily Mail credentials more than anything.
You're a bit off-message. You're supposed to tell us you've had a haircut since this morning while completely refusing to take back the earlier comment. You'll never make the front bench.

nil_desperandum
Posts: 7725
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
Been Liked: 1934 times
Has Liked: 4307 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun May 28, 2017 12:24 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Just to pick up on this reply from last night, the things I would worry about Corbyn bringing in if he is in power (even in a coalition) are:

An independance vote for Scotland and NI (I think he is in favour of their independance)
Double the stating public spending by spending on other things as well as those in the manifesto
Tightening of the rules regarding police and MI5 surveillance without a court order
Retaining freedom of movement and even loosening it outside the EU

Those are just four, but all are things where he could easily get away with it with coalition partners by offering deals in return. All four could be a disaster and couldn't be easily undone by the next government. His manifesto is to get elected - once elected the more controversial stuff can be pursued, and Labour have a good number of Lords too. He is very good at running campaigns, him getting in is not a fairy story.
But he simply can't get the numbers in Parliament to add up to get this sort of thing through - as I demonstrated yesterday.
In the extremely unlikely event that TM lost her overall majority the Conservatives would most likely make an alliance with the Ulster Unionists, or even run a minority govt.
I simply can't see Corbyn being at the head of some kind of coalition, his zealotic, tunnel-vision supporters would simply not stand for making compromises with (e.g.) the Liberals, the DUP etc.
I'll lay you a wager on this if you want with the loser making a donation to charity.
Incidentally, if you're concerned about losing Ireland and Scotland, then you can blame Cameron, and now May for that. Brexit was always likely to renew calls for a United Ireland, (due to the hard border issue), and an independent Scotland, (due to promises made during the Scottish independence referendum that couldn't be kept).
Last edited by nil_desperandum on Sun May 28, 2017 12:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

nil_desperandum
Posts: 7725
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
Been Liked: 1934 times
Has Liked: 4307 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun May 28, 2017 12:34 pm

Damo wrote:His specific reasons for voting against the Anglo Irish agreement was because he wanted a United Ireland.
He towed the same line as Sinn Fein.
So what's the issue with that?. You either supported a united Ireland or you didn't. Indeed, that's still the case. There would be millions who agreed with that stance, and millions who didn't. Life's all about opinions, and often (unfortunately) it's about taking sides, although finding a compromise is usually the best, and that's what ultimately happened.
(In response to your question, I quoted Corbyn's statement in Parliament about the Anglo-Irish Agreement, {it's quite clear], but you said you didn't want to be educated. Seems an odd way of debating a point).
I'm not a fan of JC at all, (and consider him unelectable), but some of the uneducated stuff posted about him needs challenging.

thatdberight
Posts: 3748
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:49 am
Been Liked: 937 times
Has Liked: 716 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by thatdberight » Sun May 28, 2017 12:54 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:So what's the issue with that?. You either supported a united Ireland or you didn't. Indeed, that's still the case. There would be millions who agreed with that stance, and millions who didn't. Life's all about opinions, and often (unfortunately) it's about taking sides, although finding a compromise is usually the best, and that's what ultimately happened.
(In response to your question, I quoted Corbyn's statement in Parliament about the Anglo-Irish Agreement, {it's quite clear], but you said you didn't want to be educated. Seems an odd way of debating a point).
I'm not a fan of JC at all, (and consider him unelectable), but some of the uneducated stuff posted about him needs challenging.
Deleted : comment was wrong.
Last edited by thatdberight on Sun May 28, 2017 1:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Damo
Posts: 4576
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm
Been Liked: 1799 times
Has Liked: 2777 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by Damo » Sun May 28, 2017 1:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:So what's the issue with that?. You either supported a united Ireland or you didn't. Indeed, that's still the case. There would be millions who agreed with that stance, and millions who didn't. Life's all about opinions, and often (unfortunately) it's about taking sides, although finding a compromise is usually the best, and that's what ultimately happened.
(In response to your question, I quoted Corbyn's statement in Parliament about the Anglo-Irish Agreement, {it's quite clear], but you said you didn't want to be educated. Seems an odd way of debating a point).
I'm not a fan of JC at all, (and consider him unelectable), but some of the uneducated stuff posted about him needs challenging.
Ok, I apologise for saying that. What I meant was I didn't need educating on what he said.
The problem with his stance on a United Ireland is that, the other option opposed to the Anglo Irish agreement was to continue with the atrocities. The agreement, though not perfect paved the way for the Belfast (good friday) agreement.
If Corbyn was there in favour of peace, why would he oppose making steps towards it?

IanMcL
Posts: 34829
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 6952 times
Has Liked: 10373 times

Re: Andrew Neil Interviews

Post by IanMcL » Sun May 28, 2017 1:10 pm

The election is about ordinary people having a fair crack, instead of being crushed by austerity, so the rich can be fed. May has declared war on the old, the young directly and the rest of us by continuing austerity. She also wants to kill foxes for sport. There is nothing any sensible person could vote for and that is why they have to continually call in the support of the news barons to smear the honest folk.

Just remember that it will soon be June and May will be over.
This user liked this post: longsidepies

Post Reply