What does it cost to become Prime Minister?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:They're opposed to it on religious grounds, lets correct that for you.

To the devout religion equals morality. Why do you think the religious consider atheists to be immoral?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Greenmile wrote:"Look, if you're going to use the things I've said previously on this thread to prove I'm a liar, that's up to you"

Some Trump-esque "debating" skills, there, Ringo.

If there was no bribery by the Labour Party, then your contributions to this thread are totally pointless.

I really should know better.

For all the left wing pendants on here. There is a way to shall we say "secure" a certain demographics vote. Notice I'm avoiding the word "buy" and "bribe". Why because its implausible to think that the Labour party would actually go round to every pakistani household in rotherham or rochdale a give every voter a tenner.

But there can be an unspoken tacit understanding that if certain stones are left unturned then the political status quo prevails.

What do you think the shamed Labour MP in Rotherham meant when he said-

" I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

What do you think he was getting at?

Also, why did the entire council leadership feel obliged to resign en masse? The shouting down, hissing and calling other councillors "racist" when they tried to bring it up at council meetings may have had something to do with it don't you think!?

But Hey, you obviously have all the answers, so over to you.

Just explain why?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:17 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Look if you're gonna crawl , ant like, over every single word I say that's up to you.

Crawl all over what the former MP said mate. It's pretty much an admission that he could have and should have done more. But due to "political sensitivities" and "community cohesion" he didn't. That's not me saying it. That's HIM admitting it.

To be honest the DUP deal is done now, so even politics is now moving on . That's what I'm doing.

So basically you made something up, when questioned repeated it multiple times and referenced a report that didn't back up what you were saying in the hope that no-one would notice. Then you claimed that no-one was saying that (despite that having been the point of your repeated posts on the topic) and that quoting a post from yesterday was crawling over every single word.

You might be easier to just admit you made it up.

EDIT: I've just noticed you're still trying to run with this, even though the demographics and voting figures for the area show that there wasn't any reward to be had.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:20 pm

Ringo,just send the comments and accusations you've made on here to the Labour MP for Rotherham and then just wait to hear from his Solicitors

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:22 pm

aggi wrote:So basically you made something up, when questioned repeated it multiple times and referenced a report that didn't back up what you were saying in the hope that no-one would notice. Then you claimed that no-one was saying that (despite that having been the point of your repeated posts on the topic) and that quoting a post from yesterday was crawling over every single word.

You might be easier to just admit you made it up.

EDIT: I've just noticed you're still trying to run with this, even though the demographics and voting figures for the area show that there wasn't any reward to be had.

So Rotherham and Rochdale didn't happen. The council didn't resign. There was no 154 page report. And the local MP didn't say -

"I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

So you explain why he said it. Don't play the man play the ball.

Explain what he meant .

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:24 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I really should know better.

For all the left wing pendants on here. There is a way to shall we say "secure" a certain demographics vote. Notice I'm avoiding the word "buy" and "bribe". Why because its implausible to think that the Labour party would actually go round to every pakistani household in rotherham or rochdale a give every voter a tenner.

But there can be an unspoken tacit understanding that if certain stones are left unturned then the political status quo prevails.

What do you think the shamed Labour MP in Rotherham meant when he said-

" I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

What do you think he was getting at?

Also, why did the entire council leadership feel obliged to resign en masse? The shouting down, hissing and calling other councillors "racist" when they tried to bring it up at council meetings may have had something to do with it don't you think!?

But Hey, you obviously have all the answers, so over to you.

Just explain why?

Because of (very stupid) fears of being accused of racism. Now you explain why you feel the need to repeatedly, and very obviously, lie about "bribes".

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:24 pm

mkmel wrote:Ringo,just send the comments and accusations you've made on here to the Labour MP for Rotherham and then just wait to hear from his Solicitors

I'm quoting the EX Labour MP. From what he said in the guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -ann-cryer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again why did he say it?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:25 pm

But thats f**k all to do with the DUP and the tories, with the greatest possible respect.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:27 pm

How on Earth does "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that." equate to "we chose to do nothing so we could win the votes of the Pakistani community (even though we didn't need them to win the seat)" ?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:28 pm

Greenmile wrote:Because of (very stupid) fears of being accused of racism. Now you explain why you feel the need to repeatedly, and very obviously, lie about "bribes".

So you say it was through fear of being accused of racism.

Id suggest he was more concerned about keeping his job.

He didn't have to "bribe" "buy" anyone. Just do and say
nothing. Or it HIS words "not rock the multicultural boat"

No cash, no back handers, just tacit silence and inaction.

But exactly the same result .

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:But thats f**k all to do with the DUP and the tories, with the greatest possible respect.

Moral high ground matey, as discussed previously .

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:30 pm

Hey, Ringo. How many of us on this thread are Imploding Turtle, do you reckon?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:30 pm

Greenmile wrote:How on Earth does "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that." equate to "we chose to do nothing so we could win the votes of the Pakistani community (even though we didn't need them to win the seat)" ?

How on earth does it Not!!!!!!!!

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:So you say it was through fear of being accused of racism.

Id suggest he was more concerned about keeping his job.

He didn't have to "bribe" "buy" anyone. Just do and say
nothing. Or it HIS words "not rock the multicultural boat"

No cash, no back handers, just tacit silence and inaction.

But exactly the same result .

I gave you the explanation you asked for, now where's mine?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:32 pm

But its not about the moral high ground, as discussed previously

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:38 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:So Rotherham and Rochdale didn't happen. The council didn't resign. There was no 154 page report. And the local MP didn't say -

"I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

So you explain why he said it. Don't play the man play the ball.

Explain what he meant .

You're starting to starting to get a bit desperate, or just not actually reading any of the posts that contradict yours. No-one is denying it happened apart from you with your straw man arguments. To repeat my previous post I'm not disputing that there were some huge failings, and some of those were due to an unwillingness to investigate for fear of being seen as racist or being overly sensitive about targeting a minority and how it would look.

What I am disputing is your assertion that Labour bought or bribed the Pakistani community by not investigating in return for votes/power. The report you keep alluding to doesn't say that, the figures don't bear out your theory. What is your evidence for this?

I can't explain exactly what he meant by that quote, I can't speak for him I would guess that he was talking about an institutional (not just the labour party) unwillingness to investigate or label minorities for fear of being labelled racist, oppressive, etc

Is there any evidence for your assertion that it was to "buy" votes for the labour party, any at all?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:To the devout religion equals morality. Why do you think the religious consider atheists to be immoral?

There will no doubt be some religious wet wipes who think along those lines.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:45 pm

An interesting point by the way about the MP who said "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that." which Ringo so bizarrely interprets.

He wasn't popular with the muslim community because he supported Israel, he was a member of Labour Friends of Israel for many years. This doesn't sound like someone who didn't want to upset the muslim community because he was worried about losing his job (before Ringo dreams up another conspiracy, the Jewish population of Rotherham is tiny).

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:50 pm

[quote="Greenmile"]I gave you the explanation you asked for, now where's mine?[/quote

He didn't have to "bribe" "buy" anyone. Just do and say
nothing. Or it HIS words "not rock the multicultural boat"

No cash, no back handers, just tacit silence and inaction.

But exactly the same result.

Thought I'd explained !

So why did the councillors resign en masse.? Remember these were those that had silenced concerns and hissed during meetings.

Why did they resign en masse do you think?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:57 pm

You're arguing with the terminally stupid, give it up everyone.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:58 pm

[quote="RingoMcCartney"][/quote]

I'm not answering any more of your questions until you answer mine. If there was no bribery, why did you say "I pointed out that Labour bought the votes of the Pakistani community in Rotherham" and "Labour paid a bribe in Rotherham and Rochdale"? Is it because you're perfectly happy to lie (badly) to try to make a point?

Alternatively, if there was bribery (hint - there wasn't), why did you try to claim "Nobobodys saying "Labour bribed the Pakistani community""? The only reason I can think of is that you have no problems with telling outright lies in a poor attempt to slander people whose politics you disagree with.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:00 pm

[quote="RingoMcCartney" So why did the councillors resign en masse.? Remember these were those that had silenced concerns and hissed during meetings.

Why did they resign en masse do you think?][/quote]
They resigned en-masse because they had done wrong and finally accepted responsibility, unlike the many politicians who lie, cheat and gerrymander, and then when caught out just continue as if nothing has happened.
The name Dame Shirley Porter springs to mind - who has never been condemned by any Tory leader.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:But its not about the moral high ground, as discussed previously

Actually youre right Lancs. Its not about the moral high ground, its about the pure hypocricy of Labour, trying adopt the moral high ground about the DUP deal. When they were shamed in Rotherham and Rochdale. Theres a load more towns to be investigated and when the findings become public, Lets see if theyre as guilty for turning a blind eye to industrial level child abuse to maintian the political status qou from which they were clearly benifitting from. As they were sitting MP's and the majority on the Council, as they were in Rochdale and Rotherham.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:49 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Actually youre right Lancs. Its not about the moral high ground, its about the pure hypocricy of Labour, trying adopt the moral high ground about the DUP deal.

Classic!!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:49 pm

A couple of MPs making terrible mistakes is hardly the same as the PM elect using the public purse to secure power when all that was really needed (from the Tories) was a set of reasonable proposals which could have been passed anyhow, since the DUP generally vote with the Tories.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote:A couple of MPs making terrible mistakes is hardly the same as the PM elect using the public purse to secure power when all that was really needed (from the Tories) was a set of reasonable proposals which could have been passed anyhow, since the DUP generally vote with the Tories.

Youre right boatshead, the DUP deal is what it is. But at least the money will go on infra structure. Its not going to wasted and both communities benefitting. And surely this is the kind of theing that Labour have been calling for.

Simply writing off what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale ( and lets see what emerges from the approximately 35 other investigations in other towns and cities) as "terrible mistakes" doesnt really tell the whole story of the 1400+ lives that have been permannetly ruined (dont forget there have been suicides, sadly)in Rotherham and Rochdale.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:03 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Youre right boatshead, the DUP deal is what it is. But at least the money will go on infra structure. Its not going to wasted and both communities benefitting. And surely this is the kind of theing that Labour have been calling for.

Simply writing off what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale ( and lets see what emerges from the approximately 35 other investigations in other towns and cities) as "terrible mistakes" doesnt really tell the whole story of the 1400+ lives that have been permannetly ruined (dont forget there have been suicides, sadly)in Rotherham and Rochdale.

Yes, i appreciate what you are saying about the abuse and the awful affect it's had on those involved.
Just don't see it as a valid argument in the DUP situation.
I think many people would see this as May taking every possible opportunity to retain HER situation as PM, with very little thought for the future of the UK or, for that matter, the future of her own party.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:05 pm

These five people have all yet to post in this topic about "buying" votes which is odd because up until recently they were very concerned about it.

dpinsussex wrote:As a result of massive overspending to please the general public
Aka buying votes

LoveCurryPies wrote:Corbyn is simply buying votes. Promising everything under the sun....where is the responsibility and reality? No real accounting just a few made up figures on the back of a cigarette packet. We don't even know what Brexit is going to cost. How can he promise to do away with student fees and pump billions into the NHS (a wonderful organisation but a bottomless pit)?

Holtyclaret wrote:Moffit didn't come up with them , JC and his bunch of oddballs and weirdos did. Diane Abbot really? Buying votes and uber aggressive yobbos on social media, really.

LoveCurryPies wrote: ...
Scrapping Uni fees will buy the votes of most students and their parents.
...

Caballo wrote:Ah, so that's his reasoning behind suggesting such a policy. Here's me thinking he was trying to buy votes from people who fancied 4 more days off a year. Guess I'm just a cynic.

Right_winger wrote:...
Labour on the other hand couldn't care less either. They flood the public sector to create the illusion that they are for the people in order to buy votes, at the expense of the economy.
...

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:07 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:[quote="RingoMcCartney" So why did the councillors resign en masse.? Remember these were those that had silenced concerns and hissed during meetings.

Why did they resign en masse do you think?]

They resigned en-masse because they had done wrong and finally accepted responsibility, unlike the many politicians who lie, cheat and gerrymander, and then when caught out just continue as if nothing has happened.
The name Dame Shirley Porter springs to mind - who has never been condemned by any Tory leader.[/quote][/quote]

Hey im the first to say that politicians have been, are and will be corrupt. Thats the whole point of my original post!!!!!!

But when you say they "did the wrong thing and finally accepted responsibility"

What did they do wrong? And what were they responsible for? Would it be that they were responsible for the biggest ever organised child abuse the countries ever seen. And those that hissed in council meetings and shouted "racist, shame on you" to silence other councillors who were trying to riase the issue, in order not to rock the "multicultural boat".

As louise Caseys report said, children were sexually exploited by men who came largely from the Pakistani heritage community” and that not enough was done to acknowledge this, stop it happening, protect children, support victims and apprehend perpetrators.

They councillors were gulity of putting their sad little political careers, and associated benefits, ahead of their duty to protect children.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:09 pm

No-one's writing it off, what they are writing off is your bizarre theory that it is a Labour conspiracy to keep them in power and because of that the deal with the DUP is fine. You're somehow linking together two entirely different things, making up something else and then saying people can't comment.

Some of the other investigations are in heavily conservative areas like Oxford or Devon, if problems arise there does that cancel out Rochdale and Rotherham and we can talk about politics again, is that how it works in your mind.

I'm getting a bit bored of this as you clearly can't construct a logical argument but I'll try one last time.
What I am disputing is your assertion that Labour bought or bribed the Pakistani community by not investigating in return for votes/power. The report you keep alluding to doesn't say that, the figures don't bear out your theory. What is your evidence for this?

Actual evidence, not look at the report, you're saying the abuse didn't happen, why did they resign, what does this out of context quote mean, etc

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Yes, i appreciate what you are saying about the abuse and the awful affect it's had on those involved.
Just don't see it as a valid argument in the DUP situation.
I think many people would see this as May taking every possible opportunity to retain HER situation as PM, with very little thought for the future of the UK or, for that matter, the future of her own party.

Fair enough boatshead. I appreciate that you have a different view on the relevance of the point I'm making. And we can agree to disagree. I think it is. You think its not. And time will tell whether May has messed with the future of the UK for narrow and selfish political gain.

But its obvious that as soon as the Labour party's moral compass is challenged theres a lot of Left wing posters on here who simply dont accept that their party dont have previous. Keir Starmer was relectant to publish what potential agreement had been drawn up between Labour and the DUP following the 2010 election.(would it prove embaressing !?)

I do appreciate your lack of hysteria, the need to label somebody racist and not needing to offend somebody in the most appaling way, as martin p did.

Fair enough.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:33 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Fair enough boatshead. I appreciate that you have a different view on the relevance of the point I'm making. And we can agree to disagree. I think it is. You think its not. And time will tell whether May has messed with the future of the UK for narrow and selfish political gain.

But its obvious that as soon as the Labour party's moral compass is challenged theres a lot of Left wing posters on here who simply dont accept that their party dont have previous. Keir Starmer was relectant to publish what potential agreement had been drawn up between Labour and the DUP following the 2010 election.(would it prove embaressing !?)

I do appreciate your lack of hysteria, the need to label somebody racist and not needing to offend somebody in the most appaling way, as martin p did.

Fair enough.

You may well eventually be proved right about Labour's moral compass, right now JC can do little wrong, but he'd have to work very hard to be less popular than TM!
Hopefully, as reasonable human beings, we can disagree without disrespect.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:These five people have all yet to post in this topic about "buying" votes which is odd because up until recently they were very concerned about it.

I haven't read the thread and still haven't. Corbyn was at it again at the weekend wanting 16 year olds on £10 per hour, £20,000 per year.

Buying voters and buying votes in Parliament to make a coalition are two separate matters aren't they. I was only voicing my opinion on buying votes in an election or now future voters.

I don't know any facts on the DUP coalition deal, busy with work and kids but from bits I've seen I don't like it but tbf I'm ignorant to the facts.

And yes, shouty jezza supporters get on my tits on fb, twitter etc...

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:These five people have all yet to post in this topic about "buying" votes which is odd because up until recently they were very concerned about it.

Because i have been busy working to pay my taxes and studying to improve my future by bettering myself and affording an earlier retirement. Rather than listen to your inane drivel.
Only replied bc i had a notification

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:11 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:I haven't read the thread and still haven't. Corbyn was at it again at the weekend wanting 16 year olds on £10 per hour, £20,000 per year.

Buying voters and buying votes in Parliament to make a coalition are two separate matters aren't they. I was only voicing my opinion on buying votes in an election or now future voters.

I don't know any facts on the DUP coalition deal, busy with work and kids but from bits I've seen I don't like it but tbf I'm ignorant to the facts.

And yes, shouty jezza supporters get on my tits on fb, twitter etc...

Why is it "buying votes" when Labour politicians say we'll increase the minimum wage but not "buying votes" when Conservatives tell people they're going to reduce immigration to increase wages?
Why is it "buying votes" when Labour politicians say they'll end tuition fees but not "buying votes" when Tories say they'll cut taxes?
Why is it "buying votes" when Labour politicians say they'll give free hospital parking but not "buying votes" when the right-wing say they'll stop sending the EU £350 million of our money every week?
And why is it not "buying votes" when a Conservative government literally gives £1 billion in taxpayers' money in exchange for 10 votes in parliament?

Your argument is bullshit.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why is it "buying votes" when Labour politicians say we'll increase the minimum wage but not "buying votes" when Conservatives tell people they're going to reduce immigration to increase wages?
Why is it "buying votes" when Labour politicians say they'll end tuition fees but not "buying votes" when Tories say they'll cut taxes?
Why is it "buying votes" when Labour politicians say they'll give free hospital parking but not "buying votes" when the right-wing say they'll stop sending the EU £350 million of our money every week?
And why is it not "buying votes" when a Conservative government literally gives £1 billion in taxpayers' money in exchange for 10 votes in parliament?

Your argument is bullshit.

possibly because the tories should have tailored policies in order to gain support, rather than allowing a small party to dictate the terms?

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:22 pm

You've had your say, I've had mine. It's called a democracy.

I'm not the one arguing pal. Got anger issues?

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:52 pm

Seeing as my lack of participation in this thread appears to be troubling you turtle I thought I'd put your mind at rest. It's buying votes! there is no length politicians will not go to to be in office.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:59 pm

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:04 pm

Caballo wrote:Seeing as my lack of participation in this thread appears to be troubling you turtle I thought I'd put your mind at rest. It's buying votes! there is no length politicians will not go to to be in office.

In Rotherham and Rochdale they'll even turn a blind eye, and even silence people who are trying to raise the issue of industrial scale child abuse to entrench their political careers.

But dont tell the hysterical Left wingers on here ! They'll call you racist even quicker than they'll claim you're a conspiracy theory peddler!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:09 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:In Rotherham and Rochdale they'll even turn a blind eye, and even silence people who are trying to raise the issue of industrial scale child abuse to entrench their political careers.

But dont tell the hysterical Left wingers on here ! They'll call you racist even quicker than they'll claim you're a conspiracy theory peddler!

Ringo you do know child abuse happens in Tory controlled areas don't you ?
Try Oxfordshire where a certain ex prime minister was the sitting MP

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:23 pm

joey13 wrote:Ringo you do know child abuse happens in Tory controlled areas don't you ?
Try Oxfordshire where a certain ex prime minister was the sitting MP

Absolutely! look what I said in post 179. Politicians (that means all parties!) will do anything to keep their job!

Why assume I'm a Tory? All Ive ever done throughtout this thread is point out the hypocrisy of Labour trying to take the moral high ground.

Its simply the hysterical left who refuse to even accept what happened in Rochdale and Rotherham.

If it turns out that Tory councils and MPs have also turned a blind eye and colluded with social services and the police, they're just as wicked. Its no biggy.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:42 pm

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:24 pm

Well no, they did what they did for the benefit of the country.

Probably the only party to do it, and they have been effectively crushed at the ballot box since then by the other two parties.

Are you really surprised that no political party tells the truth with that in mind?

I'm afraid to say it, but we've got the parties we deserve at the moment.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:38 pm

"Well no, they did what they did for the benefit of the country.

Probably the only party to do it, and they have been effectively crushed at the ballot box since then by the other two parties."

I agree with Lancaster on that. Shame the LD's have no credibilty now because that can't accept the results of the EU referendum.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:17 pm

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:These five people have all yet to post in this topic about "buying" votes which is odd because up until recently they were very concerned about it.

ImplodingTurtle, the truth is Labour would have to form a coalition Government and probably with 2, 3 or even 4 groups, each of which would have their demands.

I don't like any party making deals but it's the real world.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:22 pm

Shame the LD's have no credibilty now because that can't accept the results of the EU referendum.

Not going over old ground, but thats false, and you know it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:37 pm

The change in the abortion rules for NI over the threat of a rebellion after it was denied yesterday by the Health secretary shows just how daft this continuing charade is.

The govt could fall at any time, especially if more bad stuff happens and its almost inevitable once the Brexit negotiations really start and the gap between what people were told and what is actually going to happen become even more obvious.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:43 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:ImplodingTurtle, the truth is Labour would have to form a coalition Government and probably with 2, 3 or even 4 groups, each of which would have their demands.

I don't like any party making deals but it's the real world.

Kind of like making campaign promises to help people in certain ways is "the real world" in a democracy. And yet you found reason to criticise Corbyn and Labour for it, but here's you're explaining it away when the Tories do it.

I don't particularly care about the Tory/DUP deal, but i do care about the hypocrisy over it from people such as yourself, and from all those who were telling us to be terrified that Sturgeon might be involced in a deal with Labour. I also care that even with the threat of PM Corbyn (who the DUP hate with the force of a nova) as an alternative the Tories still couldn't negotiate the DUP down from £1 billion to secure their votes. How does that bode for negotiating to the EU?