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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by taio » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:09 am

joey13 wrote:Have a think about it and let me know what you come up with , it’s not that difficult.
It's you that's finding it difficult.

Without being arsed to look back at your posts this is how I would sum up your posts:

1) If Dyche goes to Everton there's little difference between him and 'lying' Coyle
2) To justify this you say that Dyche representatives have already been in contact with Everton
3) You then suggest that early contact must happen to enable any deal which conflicts with 1 and 2.

Unless I've misinterpreted it seems like you're tying yourself in knots and ought to give up.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by joey13 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:10 am

Sidney1st wrote:Nixon has already stated it's the Agent making noises, not Dyche and Dyche probably didn't need or want his agent to make noises.
Dyche didn’t want his agent to make noises :lol:
Stay safe in your bubble Sidney
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by joey13 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:11 am

taio wrote:It's you that's finding it difficult.

Without being arsed to look back at your posts this is how I would sum up your posts:

1) If Dyche goes to Everton there's little difference between him and 'lying' Coyle
2) To justify this you say that Dyche representatives have already been in contact with Everton
3) You then suggest that early contact must happen to enable any deal which conflicts with 1 and 2.

Unless I've misinterpreted it seems like you're tying yourself in knots and ought to give up.
It’s was simple , unfortunately you got it wrong , never mind .

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by taio » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:14 am

joey13 wrote:It’s was simple , unfortunately you got it wrong , never mind .
Then you'll be able to quickly explain why you're comparing Dyche to Coyle on the basis Dyche's reps have been in contact with Everton, but on the other hand you say that early contact between the two parties must take place for a deal to happen. If that's not the jist of what you said then what is?

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:17 am

joey13 wrote:Dyche didn’t want his agent to make noises :lol:
Stay safe in your bubble Sidney
If Dyche doesn't want to move, he won't want his agent making noises.

You need to stick your head out of your bubble.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by mybloodisclaret » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:19 am

Nothing but conjecture here chaps. Joey will have his view which he is right to do, and Sid will have his. Not saying anyone is right or wrong.

Likelihood is that someone from SD camp has been making noises, Nixon is rarely wrong. Whether this is tapping up or breaching a gents agreement we will never know, and nothing would happen about it anyway. To agree to speak to him they only have to produce 2.5 million, which is nothing to them, and he is a gonner, as no doubt he will know what is on offer at Everton, it's up to him if he takes it.

Just because the club hasn't been approached doesn't mean conversations haven't happened. They don't need to directly involve SD.

I hope he'll see it as potential basket case and tell em where to go!!! He has security and loyalty in abundance here, he'll see none of that at Goodison.
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:41 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:Nothing but conjecture here chaps. Joey will have his view which he is right to do, and Sid will have his. Not saying anyone is right or wrong.

Likelihood is that someone from SD camp has been making noises, Nixon is rarely wrong. Whether this is tapping up or breaching a gents agreement we will never know, and nothing would happen about it anyway. To agree to speak to him they only have to produce 2.5 million, which is nothing to them, and he is a gonner, as no doubt he will know what is on offer at Everton, it's up to him if he takes it.

Just because the club hasn't been approached doesn't mean conversations haven't happened. They don't need to directly involve SD.

I hope he'll see it as potential basket case and tell em where to go!!! He has security and loyalty in abundance here, he'll see none of that at Goodison.
Agree he will have no security at Everton. A run of poor results up till xmas and them still being in the bottom 3 would see him out of a job.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Corky » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:46 am

Dyche "Why would I want to leave Burnley" Apologies to Jimmy Mac.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:50 am

taio wrote:It's you that's finding it difficult.

Without being arsed to look back at your posts this is how I would sum up your posts:

1) If Dyche goes to Everton there's little difference between him and 'lying' Coyle
2) To justify this you say that Dyche representatives have already been in contact with Everton
3) You then suggest that early contact must happen to enable any deal which conflicts with 1 and 2.

Unless I've misinterpreted it seems like you're tying yourself in knots and ought to give up.
There are no inconsistencies in those three statements.

However, the difference between SD and OC is that SD has never denied being interested in the job.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:14 pm

I genuinely don't see him succeeding at Everton.

Then what?

From the outset he'd be on a hiding to nothing from fans who still harp back to their 'school of science' type football with Harvey, Ball and Kendall in midfield. They'll see nothing like that with our manager.

Think long and hard before making a decision, Sean.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:14 pm

It is getting to the point I think if I was a Burnley director I'd be wanting to know if its SD's people getting these rumours started to keep his profile up. It has to be unsettling things to some degree in training or on the pitch. It is getting to the point where I'd be telling SD to tell them to knock it all on the head and let him get on with the job he has. If this constant bandwagon of being linked with every job was to continue, you have to ask eventually is it time WE made the decision for him in the interest of our club.

I want him to stay at Burnley for many years but this constant is he staying or going speculation can do nothing for club moral or team performances.
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:17 pm

All the speculation is generated by people outside of the clubs.

It's media driven, along with those desperate to appear in the know and some people just causing mischief.

All Dyche has to do is turn up to work and pick up points today.
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:21 pm

Very naive to think Dyche has nothing to do with his agent touting his name around the media for all these jobs.
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:23 pm

If you're convinced that he's off, you can still get 6/4 if he does become the next Everton Manager. Good odds for a nailed on certainty ;)

Effectively, nothing has been decided !

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:26 pm

doing nothing for morale of the fans either, we want continuity. All well and good the club keeping quiet, but it's a big story and Dyche or the club could easily allay the fears of supporters by saying he isn't interested in moving anywhere.
Trying to talk in codes is not helping anybody.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:27 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Very naive to think Dyche has nothing to do with his agent touting his name around the media for all these jobs.
There is the possibility he hasn't asked his agent to pimp him out looking for work.

Agents get paid when someone signs a new contract or moves job.
Some agents engineer moves to get paid.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by joey13 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:56 pm

Regardless of the differing opinions let’s hope he stays at least till the end of the season and hope for 3pts today .
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by bfcjg » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:27 pm

elwaclaret wrote:It is getting to the point I think if I was a Burnley director I'd be wanting to know if its SD's people getting these rumours started to keep his profile up. It has to be unsettling things to some degree in training or on the pitch. It is getting to the point where I'd be telling SD to tell them to knock it all on the head and let him get on with the job he has. If this constant bandwagon of being linked with every job was to continue, you have to ask eventually is it time WE made the decision for him in the interest of our club.

I want him to stay at Burnley for many years but this constant is he staying or going speculation can do nothing for club moral or team performances.
totally agree, I posted something the other day that we are a very attractive opportunity for a manager who wants to work for a decent honest board made up of genuine supporters who give managers respect space and time. Job markets full of the next bright things who ended up out of work with a diminished reputation and career by going for glamour and lets be honest money. Moyes is a classic, great job at Everton and they both suited each other, like Dyche with us. Everton could get a billionaire for a year or two with that comes pressure and unless they win the title and are in the champs league year in year out it is failure and you get sacked. Everton just remind me so much of Sunderland, unfashionable Northern team with "passionate" fans but are slowly withering away and dont come the new stadium crap, the stadium of light didnt save Sunderland. Everton are about as big as Derby with a less illustrious history.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:39 pm

Did you just say Everton are no bigger than Derby and have a less illustrious history?

Good effort at fishing with that one, I nearly fell for it :lol:
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by bfcjg » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:46 pm

947 Liverpool
1948 Arsenal
1949 *Portsmouth
1950 -Portsmouth
1951 *Tottenham Hostpur
1952 Manchester United
1953 Arsenal
1954 *Wolverhampton Wanderers
1955 *Chelsea
1956 Manchester United
1957 Manchester United
1958 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1959 -Wolverhampton Wanderers
1960 -Burnley
1961 -Tottenham Hotspur
1962 *-Ipswich Town
1963 Everton
1964 Liverpool
1965 Manchester United
1966 Liverpool
1967 Manchester United
1968 Manchester City
1969 *Leeds United
1970 Everton
1971 Arsenal
1972 *Derby County
1973 Liverpool
1974 Leeds United
1975 -Derby County
1976 Liverpool
1977 Liverpool
1978 *-Nottingham Forest
1979 Liverpool
1980 Liverpool
1981 -Aston Villa
1982 Liverpool
1983 Liverpool
1984 Liverpool
1985 Everton
1986 Liverpool
1987 -Everton
1988 Liverpool
1989 Arsenal
1990 -Liverpool
1991 Arsenal
1992 -Leeds United

Your right Sidney, Everton are sooooooooo much bigger having won the title one more time than Derby in the more modern era before football was reinvented for Sky

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:48 pm

Er, when were they last in the Chumpionship ?
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:03 pm

We are talking trophies in the UK the ultimate being the Div one title. man U were relegated in the seventies does that make Everton bigger than them ? Liverpool were in Div 2 in the fifties, Chelsea in the seventies and eighties Man City etc all in div one and two recent years, Everton bigger then them ?

Stop press...........it has just been announced that honest Bruce Grobbelar has finally landed after his somewhat theatrical late dive for the third Everton goal that would have relegated them.

THE match- fixing allegations which surrounded Everton's dramatic relegation escape in 1994 sur-face again tonight - in a brand new series of Sky TV's Football Years.

The last match of the 1993-94 season has gone down in Everton folklore, after the Blues came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 and secure a place in the Premiership.

Tony Cottee, who played in that match, is interviewed in the 10pm show and said: "The first time I knew we were safe was when I was walking along the tunnel and Fash (John Fashanu) is in the tunnel and he's waiting for me and he's gone 'Yes, TC, you're safe' - and he's given me the high fives and everything.

"I said 'Oh cheers, Fash,' and I don't know why Fash was so happy that we'd stayed up."

Cottee assumed it was because Fashanu was a friend, although he felt it odd that an opponent should be so pleased for him and his team.

Match-fixing allegations came to light some months after the match and Cottee added: "As soon as it was mentioned I thought straight away 'what about that third goal?'

"I wonder about the third goal just because of the way it went in. When you see it, when you look at it in slow motion, it looks like one of those shots that Hans (Segers) would have saved 99 times out of 100, but perhaps it was just the one time out of 100.

"I'd like to think Hans and Bruce Grobbelaar were honest and that was just a genuine mistake. I would like to think it because if you lose the honesty in football, then you haven't got a football game any more." :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Spijed » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:05 pm

According to Wiki: Most seasons in top flight overall: 114 seasons, Everton

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Rowls » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:07 pm

bfcjg wrote:Everton are about as big as Derby with a less illustrious history.
History lesson for you laddie.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:07 pm

to be fair Aston Villa are way bigger than us but he wouldn't go there

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:07 pm

Everton or Derby..is that the question?

114 yrs in the top flight and been there since the 50's or a club with the record for lowest points tally in th the top flight?

Why are we even having this discussion?
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Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:12 pm

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by bfcjg » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:14 pm

Didnt know there were so many Derby County haters on here.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:15 pm

I don't mind Derby, their annual bottle job in the championship is always amusing.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:31 pm

bfcjg wrote:947 Liverpool
1948 Arsenal
1949 *Portsmouth
1950 -Portsmouth
1951 *Tottenham Hostpur
1952 Manchester United
1953 Arsenal
1954 *Wolverhampton Wanderers
1955 *Chelsea
1956 Manchester United
1957 Manchester United
1958 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1959 -Wolverhampton Wanderers
1960 -Burnley
1961 -Tottenham Hotspur
1962 *-Ipswich Town
1963 Everton
1964 Liverpool
1965 Manchester United
1966 Liverpool
1967 Manchester United
1968 Manchester City
1969 *Leeds United
1970 Everton
1971 Arsenal
1972 *Derby County
1973 Liverpool
1974 Leeds United
1975 -Derby County
1976 Liverpool
1977 Liverpool
1978 *-Nottingham Forest
1979 Liverpool
1980 Liverpool
1981 -Aston Villa
1982 Liverpool
1983 Liverpool
1984 Liverpool
1985 Everton
1986 Liverpool
1987 -Everton
1988 Liverpool
1989 Arsenal
1990 -Liverpool
1991 Arsenal
1992 -Leeds United

Your right Sidney, Everton are sooooooooo much bigger having won the title one more time than Derby in the more modern era before football was reinvented for Sky
Yes he is right. You are making yourself look like a proper nipple ...

For a start it's two more times than Derby, and they've also been runner up a number of times. Second, they've had success throughout that period and spent pretty much all of it at the top level. Third they also have won FA Cup 3 times, been runner up 5 times, won the league cup and been runner up on several occasions. plus a European cup winners cup.

Same period Derby have won the league twice - in the mid 70s. Rest of the time they've done nothing - couple of 2nd tier titles (68/69 and 86/7) and the Texaco cup in 72. They've won less than us.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by NRC » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:37 pm

1. I can't see Dyche forcing a situation where he's leaving mid season. It's entirely contradictory to the ethic he promotes. The only way he can do so is if the Board agrees
2. The board would be mad to agree for 2.5m compensation vs 100m for next season. Simply don't agree, and hold him to his ethic
3. it's widely known a "gentleman's agreement" exists. If it's broken then its broken for everyone, and that's a big step
4. ITK commentators on here are solid behind no contact.
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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by TVC15 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:58 pm

Re point 2 I suspect SD has built in a clause into his yearly rolling contract that compensation is no more than £2.5m.

The fact that SD has always insisted on a rolling contract must mean that there are release clauses in there that work in his favour.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by bartons baggage » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:02 pm

John Motson has just said Burnley have not had any contact with Everton.

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Re: Compensation agreed ??

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:32 pm

Spijed wrote:So you'd rather want what's best for SD even if it's to the detriment of Burnley FC?
In a sense, yes.

I know we live in a very selfish society nowadays, but the occasional selfless act goes a long way.

If I was Chairman of Burnley, Sean knocked on my door and said “I can see a big career opportunity, do I have your blessing to move?”, I would say “yes”. Maybe not on Sept 1st, but now, probably.

That kind of attitude to your staff would go a long way in business and would help you attract the best of the bunch. Who knows, it may even stop your star staff leaving in the first place.

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