10mill bid for Worrall

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:04 pm

You didn't say you hoped they get injured.
You said they WOULD get injured so hope is irrelevant -" if we don’t sign a centre-half today one of Mee or Long will get injured tonight."

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:This sort of post really irks me.

We shouldn't have three centre halves in our squad with our resources.

We need a 4th one today or its just taking risks we do not need to take.

Who have you got in mind?
Do you know we aren't trying for anyone?
Will anybody do or do you just want to make the numbers up?
Should we just "pay whatever the selling team want" regardless of whether we would be getting ripped off, just to get someone in?

Not having a go at you necessarily just some of the strange posts we see on here every single deadline day (and usually a week - month prior).

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:06 pm

Socrates wrote:.......where did I call you a myopic dullard?

In Post 144 - what a short memory you have. Or is it strain? Why don't you go have a sip of hemlock and a lie down?

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:06 pm

cblantfanclub wrote:You didn't say you hoped they get injured.
You said they WOULD get injured so hope is irrelevant -" if we don’t sign a centre-half today one of Mee or Long will get injured tonight."

It’s not irrelevant, is it?

He alleged that I hoped they would get injured. I fundamentally don’t want that to happen.

I made a call that one of them will get injured. I HOPE i’m wrong.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:06 pm

If Everton sign Mangala we should try and bring Keane back on loan

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:08 pm

Forest want £20 million so it is just not going to happen.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:09 pm

jtv wrote:Why does it irk you? Do you think that Sean and/or the Board are not aware that having just 3 centre halves is not ideal? But I would think that genuine fans would hope that Mee and Long do NOT get injured rather than the other way round just to prove how clever they are.

there's absolutely no way socrates meant it like that.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:11 pm

Dont forget folks..this will be the second window we look like leaving with 1 centre half short

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:12 pm

Why does it irk you? Do you think that Sean and/or the Board are not aware that having just 3 centre halves is not ideal? But I would think that genuine fans would hope that Mee and Long do NOT get injured rather than the other way round just to prove how clever they are.

It only irks me that the point being made is 100% correct, and you appear not to think thats the most important part of the post.

I don't think any Burnley fan on here would want anybody injured to prove a point, and I find it weird that people think otherwise.

Goobs

I'd hope we have cover in by the end of tonight. If for example, Cameron at Stoke is available for peanuts then I'd be more than happy with him.

Obviously I'd prefer to go long term and get Worral, but it does seem very silly that we would risk having three available centre halves when there are no pressing financial reasons for us not signing one.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:13 pm

jtv wrote:In Post 144 - what a short memory you have. Or is it strain? Why don't you go have a sip of hemlock and a lie down?

I think you’ll find that I asked you if you were a myopic dullard.

I didn’t say that you were one.

Words matter. Actual words that I put, rather than what you think I might have said. Ironically that would be the actions of a myopic.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:13 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:there's absolutely no way socrates meant it like that.

That's how it looked like though

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:It only irks me that the point being made is 100% correct, and you appear not to think thats the most important part of the post.

I don't think any Burnley fan on here would want anybody injured to prove a point, and I find it weird that people think otherwise.

Goobs

I'd hope we have cover in by the end of tonight. If for example, Cameron at Stoke is available for peanuts then I'd be more than happy with him.

Obviously I'd prefer to go long term and get Worral, but it does seem very silly that we would risk having three available centre halves when there are no pressing financial reasons for us not signing one.

Cameron going to Palace apparently and I don't think we are in for Worrall any longer. It doesn't look as though there will be any more incomings unless something changes dramatically.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:14 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Dont forget folks..this will be the second window we look like leaving with 1 centre half short

You're right. Protest at the next home game? Dyche and the board out? Maybe we could all turn our backs whilst chanting sack everyone at 100mph?

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:15 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Dont forget folks..this will be the second window we look like leaving with 1 centre half short

Two short really as Tarks is injured we only have Mee/Long and no clear CB cover if either got injured and I would say Long will not be looking forward to tonight as that is where he did his excruciate before, if I remember correctly after coming on as sub.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:15 pm

jtv wrote:That's how it looked like though

Not if you actually read the words.

Whilst you’re re-reading the posts and working out why I didn’t call you a myopic dullard, can you have a look and let me know where I said I hoped a player would get injured?

Ta.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17 pm

Sean Dyche has consistently kept the squad short of players rather than sign someone he doesn't want. It's the way he is. Obviously there are loads and loads of centre halves who could be ours for £10m - but Dyche doesn't want them. Which is fine by me.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17 pm

Goobs wrote:You're right. Protest at the next home game? Dyche and the board out? Maybe we could all turn our backs whilst chanting sack everyone at 100mph?

There is a middle ground between deliriously happy and protest you know?

It’s possible to think the board and manager are doing a great job whilst not wanting a left-back with less than 10 Premier League starts to be playing centre-back for us whilst making tens of millions of pounds in profit.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:18 pm

I think you are talking valid criticism too far!

There is no need for us to only have three centre halves, unless we have an absolutely superb prospect waiting to step up.

I don't think that is the case, and its disappointing that we are going to risk three fit centre halves for the rest of the season.

We've still a chance of seventh and still (though very unlikely) not safe yet.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:It only irks me that the point being made is 100% correct, and you appear not to think thats the most important part of the post.

I don't think any Burnley fan on here would want anybody injured to prove a point, and I find it weird that people think otherwise.

Goobs

I'd hope we have cover in by the end of tonight. If for example, Cameron at Stoke is available for peanuts then I'd be more than happy with him.

Obviously I'd prefer to go long term and get Worral, but it does seem very silly that we would risk having three available centre halves when there are no pressing financial reasons for us not signing one.

Whilst I would like us to bring in another CB I would also prefer it if we brought in either a younger player who would be happy to bide his time like both Keane and Tarks did or someone better than Tarks or Mee who could come straight in (especially if Tarks i going to be out for a while). Neither of those situations are easy though and it is about getting the right player at the right price.

Personally wouldn't want an older player coming in on decent money to potentially just warm the bench for 4 months.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:19 pm

Apologies if this has already been posted but Sky reporting Tom Anderson gone on loan to Doncaster - phew !!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:20 pm

Manchester City have been running with three fit centre halves for most of this season.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21 pm

Goobs wrote:Whilst I would like us to bring in another CB I would also prefer it if we brought in either a younger player who would be happy to bide his time like both Keane and Tarks did or someone better than Tarks or Mee who could come straight in (especially if Tarks i going to be out for a while). Neither of those situations are easy though and it is about getting the right player at the right price.

Personally wouldn't want an older player coming in on decent money to potentially just warm the bench for 4 months.

And what if somebody gets injured?

It’s more likely than not we will pick up a knock.

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. It’s a trite cliche but it’s true.

We can’t play saved wages at centre-half.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Manchester City have been running with three fit centre halves for most of this season.

Do they have around 35% possession most games and concede the amount of shots we do?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:23 pm

Socrates wrote:There is a middle ground between deliriously happy and protest you know?

It’s possible to think the board and manager are doing a great job whilst not wanting a left-back with less than 10 Premier League starts to be playing centre-back for us whilst making tens of millions of pounds in profit.

I knew I should have put the winking smiley on my post. My comment was very much tongue in cheek. I like everyone else would prefer a 4th CB coming in, however I wouldn't want someone just to make the numbers up.

I trust the Board and Dyche to to their best to get in the right person at the right price and if they can't then I think they have earnt the right for us to let them off without too much moaning and insulting considering just how far they have brought us in the last few years and the season we are having thus far.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:23 pm

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Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:24 pm

Holding on loan is looking more likely maybe?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:24 pm

Are people actually trying to justify us having 2 fit central defenders at the close of the window? Hahahahahah hilarious, happy clappers will defend everything and anything.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:25 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Manchester City have been running with three fit centre halves for most of this season.

and they have spent almost £260m on defenders in the last 18 months

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:27 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Manchester City have been limping with three fit centre halves for most of this season.

Corrected your post. thank god for them they can score goals.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:27 pm

As a very last resort we did have a 4th CB
But he has just been loaned out to Doncaster

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:28 pm

piston broke wrote:Worrall reported as saying he wants to stay for the promotion push!
What is he on?

Ha ha ha ha! Really?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:28 pm

I came on here to find out info on Worrall and find 40 posts of a handbags squabble over feck all.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We were, but one was a short term injury for Ben Mee and the other an unexpected suspension which can always happen. Both times we knew that the absence of Mee and then Tarkowski wouldn't be too long. Maybe this time the absence is going to be longer. Having said that, Dyche said yesterday that it was the only position he felt we were short in and ideally we would have four central defenders.

Let's get this right. Did Dyche actually say that CB is the only position we are short in? Really? If that is the case then I have to put a little question mark over our great leader. I don't wish to be over critical of the man, he is after all a demi-god, but if he thinks that does he ever look at things in the opponents half of the pitch? Is he interested at all in attacking football of any kind? We haven't scored a goal in about a hundred years and he is considering shelling out 10m for another defender?

I give up.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:It only irks me that the point being made is 100% correct, and you appear not to think thats the most important part of the post.

I don't think any Burnley fan on here would want anybody injured to prove a point, and I find it weird that people think otherwise.

Goobs

I'd hope we have cover in by the end of tonight. If for example, Cameron at Stoke is available for peanuts then I'd be more than happy with him.

Obviously I'd prefer to go long term and get Worral, but it does seem very silly that we would risk having three available centre halves when there are no pressing financial reasons for us not signing one.

You are correct LC there are no financial reasons for us not signing a centre half.

Unfortunately its not that simple as you know. Just because we have £20m or £30m spare does not mean that we are going to spend that on some of the centre backs we have been looking at in the Championship like the lad at Sheff Wed and Worrall.

I think the Board are fully backing SD and the decision is ultimately down to him though its clear he does this in consultation with the chairman. If SD thinks that a club are asking for stupid money for a centre back he believes only has the potential to be a Premier League player then he may not think its a risk worth taking.

Would you rather have a manager like Dyche who genuinely cares about the clubs finances or someone like Harry Redknapp (and many other managers) who does not give a flying f-uck about the club he is managing and would rather make 10 transfers on the hope that 1 or 2 might turn out ok ?

We might be one of the most profitable clubs in Europe but there are many reasons for this - and the main one is we don`t p-iss big money up the wall with a spread shot transfer approach. How many £15m to £20m transfers do you think we can afford to get wrong ?

Look round the Premier League at the number of £20m+ centre backs that have flopped - there is quite a lot of them and I can`t remember any of them coming from bottom half Championship teams. We might have more money than we have ever had but its all relative to the massive increase in the price of players. The more important point is that most of the other clubs in this league have more money than us which leaves us with the £15m to £20m "scraps" from the Championship.

It would be great to spend £3m and find the next Tarks or Michael Keane but in reality these are the exception, not the rule and we should be grateful SD did such a great job in unearthing and then developing these players. If you go through all the teams in the Premier League its hard to think of any other team who have bought even one bargain centre back like this let alone two.

I`m sure Dyche is as frustrated as anyone in his pursuit of a centre back but some of the cr-ap on this board about negligence and people "despairing" is ridiculous.

And just to clarify of course I agree we should have 4 good centre backs - and Long should be the 4th one.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:38 pm

Two fit recognised centre backs is a joke to be fair.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:38 pm

I agree with Socrates and Lancaster here. I'm pretty positive about the work we've done in the transfer window in bringing in NKoudou and Lennon, and if we could get a centre back I think that, overall, the squad would look tremendously strong (leaving aside injuries, which are really outside of the equation). And of course, Dyche has earned the right to be trusted.

But to go in with 3 fit centre backs given our financial power seems to me an astonishing gamble - especially, as Socrates says, given that we're set up to defend for long periods so the centre backs are being tested regularly throughout a game. Of course we protect the centre backs well, but we still rely on them being basically competent to get through the large volume of work that is still left to them.

The comparison with City is pointless on a number of levels. Not only do we concede possession and territory a vast amount more, but the power of their youth set up means that if they really have to, they have far greater depth to tap into below the first team squad. We don't - the strength beyond the first team squad extends to Tom Anderson, who we all know isn't of the required standard.

If we don't bring in some form of cover today, it will look a little bit negligent, irrespective of whose decision it is. My fingers are crossed we do something.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:40 pm

So Forest want £20m, that should safely put that one to bed then.

Our problem ALL SEASON has been putting the ball in the net, not keeping it out.

I often wonder if some of our posters have 2 boilers and a generator at home, you know, just in case...

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:40 pm

TVC15 wrote:You are correct LC there are no financial reasons for us not signing a centre half.

Unfortunately its not that simple as you know. Just because we have £20m or £30m spare does not mean that we are going to spend that on some of the centre backs we have been looking at in the Championship like the lad at Sheff Wed and Worrall.

I think the Board are fully backing SD and the decision is ultimately down to him though its clear he does this in consultation with the chairman. If SD thinks that a club are asking for stupid money for a centre back he believes only has the potential to be a Premier League player then he may not think its a risk worth taking.

Would you rather have a manager like Dyche who genuinely cares about the clubs finances or someone like Harry Redknapp (and many other managers) who does not give a flying f-uck about the club he is managing and would rather make 10 transfers on the hope that 1 or 2 might turn out ok ?

We might be one of the most profitable clubs in Europe but there are many reasons for this - and the main one is we don`t p-iss big money up the wall with a spread shot transfer approach. How many £15m to £20m transfers do you think we can afford to get wrong ?

Look round the Premier League at the number of £20m+ centre backs that have flopped - there is quite a lot of them and I can`t remember any of them coming from bottom half Championship teams. We might have more money than we have ever had but its all relative to the massive increase in the price of players. The more important point is that most of the other clubs in this league have more money than us which leaves us with the £15m to £20m "scraps" from the Championship.

It would be great to spend £3m and find the next Tarks or Michael Keane but in reality these are the exception, not the rule and we should be grateful SD did such a great job in unearthing and then developing these players. If you go through all the teams in the Premier League its hard to think of any other team who have bought even one bargain centre back like this let alone two.

I`m sure Dyche is as frustrated as anyone in his pursuit of a centre back but some of the cr-ap on this board about negligence and people "despairing" is ridiculous.

Where did LC mention spending £20M on a 4th choice central defender? You're waffling again and responding without reading.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:42 pm

claretspice wrote:I agree with Socrates and Lancaster here. I'm pretty positive about the work we've done in the transfer window in bringing in NKoudou and Lennon, and if we could get a centre back I think that, overall, the squad would look tremendously strong (leaving aside injuries, which are really outside of the equation). And of course, Dyche has earned the right to be trusted.

But to go in with 3 fit centre backs given our financial power seems to me an astonishing gamble - especially, as Socrates says, given that we're set up to defend for long periods so the centre backs are being tested regularly throughout a game. Of course we protect the centre backs well, but we still rely on them being basically competent to get through the large volume of work that is still left to them.

The comparison with City is pointless on a number of levels. Not only do we concede possession and territory a vast amount more, but the power of their youth set up means that if they really have to, they have far greater depth to tap into below the first team squad. We don't - the strength beyond the first team squad extends to Tom Anderson, who we all know isn't of the required standard.

If we don't bring in some form of cover today, it will look a little bit negligent, irrespective of whose decision it is. My fingers are crossed we do something.

We don't have 3 fit centre backs, Tark's injured and Anderson has left. 2 remaining

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:43 pm

I wasn't including Anderson - he's not a first team option - and what I meant is 3 centre backs if all are fit. My assumption is that Tarks' injury is relatively minor.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:44 pm

JohnMac wrote:So Forest want £20m, that should safely put that one to bed then.

Our problem ALL SEASON has been putting the ball in the net, not keeping it out.

I often wonder if some of our posters have 2 boilers and a generator at home, you know, just in case...

no but I have candles under the sink, does that count...?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:45 pm

houseboy wrote:I give up.

It's been a pleasure houseboy.

We'll see again when you re-join.

Who knows what division we'll be in once it's exciting enough for you again.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:Where did LC mention spending £20M on a 4th choice central defender? You're waffling again and responding without reading.

I never said he did - i doubt very much whether LC wants someone like you as his spokesman.

£20m is what we are being quoted for Worrall....who seems like he is SD main centre back target. If the £20m is true how on earth can we predict that they want this kind of stupid money for a young lad with his kind of experience ?
We got quoted £15m from Sheff Wed for Tom Lees didn`t we ?

It sounds like he has cheaper plan B options - but it`s clearly not as easy as some people make out to buy people of the right quality in this crazy market

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:47 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:no but I have candles under the sink, does that count...?

Candles under the sink is Tom Anderson.

I also keep a spare Ashley Westwood in the cupboard.

bfcwest · Post by **bfcwest** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:48 pm

Is there a purchasing window on new boilers?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:49 pm

We paid 3 million for Keane and sold him for 30 , what’s the problem in Forest wanting the best price for their player ?

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:52 pm

Not a chance we should be paying £20m for a back-up CB. Move on Sean, move on. You should have known better than to try and negotiate with Forest anyway - I mean they're a much bigger club than us remember!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:54 pm

I'm not saying spend £20 million, I'm saying that there is a need for a 4th centre half.

SD will have a shortlist with plenty of possible CBs on it.

It won't only be Worrall that we are looking at (at least I hope it isn't)

There might be even be players out there in the free agent market, or even the loan market.

I'd be a lot happier with a another CB after tonight, regardless of the result, injuries etc

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:54 pm

The fact that Anderson has gone back out on loan suggests any injury to Tarkowski is only minor.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:56 pm

Socrates wrote:Not if you actually read the words.

Whilst you’re re-reading the posts and working out why I didn’t call you a myopic dullard, can you have a look and let me know where I said I hoped a player would get injured?

Ta.

I suggest that YOU reread YOUR posts. Perhaps you will then see that I am correct on both counts.