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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Greenmile » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm

Greenmile wrote:On your first para, it’s to do with power structures why racism against white people (in this country) is not as bad as racism against black or Asian people. It’s a bit complicated, though, and I’m already late for work.
Just to expand on this a bit, as it seems to have caused some upset, this guy explains it better than I could.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ ... te-people/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NB - I wouldn't (and didn't) go so far as to say that there's no such thing as anti-white racism, as Simon Kelner seems to have done - only that it is not as bad or as widespread as the racism black and Asian people face on a daily basis.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm

Rowls wrote:All of which ignores the link that you have quoted above. Wot a dingbat u r.

You linked to a post by Leisure. What does Leisure's post prove?

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Falcon » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:12 pm

I don't think it's funny. I think it could be construed as offensive. I certainly wouldn't be uploading any video of that nature.

However I still don't think it was an illegal act.

With context it is clearly not the act of a hate criminal. The only thing he is guilty of is bad judgement.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Greenmile » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:14 pm

Rowls wrote:All of which ignores the link that you have quoted above. Wot a dingbat u r.
You claimed that you always call out racism. I asked you to provide examples (from this century). I even explained how you can search through your post history to make it easier for you (and to counter your accusation that I'm a stalker). It shouldn't be hard unless you were lying.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by aggi » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:There are people who don't understand how the search function works. It's truly baffles them how you can type in a word and find all the posts that that word has appear in. It's magical to them. Google ***** their mind every day.
Admittedly that's not how it works on this site. You type in a word and it says that it is too common and is being ignored.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Greenmile » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:29 pm

Rowls wrote:All of which ignores the link that you have quoted above. Wot a dingbat u r.
This morning I searched your posts for the word "racism". I've just tried doing the same for the word "racist". Here's what I came up with...

Rowls throwing the racist epithet "Japs" around with wild abandon (and calling out anti-white racism in the same thread).

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... st#p655610" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rowls defending racist comments from a Labour MP (whilst still managing to have a go at Labour)

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... st#p562346" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rowls claiming the Daily Mail isn't racist

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... st#p418898" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's just from the first page (along with the three threads linked earlier).

I did also find a comment condemning Le Front National as racists, to be fair, but only in an effort to defend Brexit.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... st#p392319" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Greenmile » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You linked to a post by Leisure. What does Leisure's post prove?
I think he was referring to his own post near the top of that thread.

Incidentally, that link also inadvertently proves that he knows how to use the search function and therefore his accusations that I am a stalker were entitrely disingenuous.

Edit - and on that note I will stop dragging this thread off topic (I basically agree with the OP fwiw), unless and until Rowls decides to hurl a load of abuse my way again.
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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:33 pm

Greenmile wrote:I think he was referring to his own post near the top of that thread.

Incidentally, that link also inadvertently proves that he knows how to use the search function and therefore his accusations that I am a stalker were entitrely disingenuous.

Of course he's disingenuous. He's Rowls. Being full of **** is kinda his thing.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:24 pm

Greenmile wrote:Just to expand on this a bit, as it seems to have caused some upset, this guy explains it better than I could.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ ... te-people/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NB - I wouldn't (and didn't) go so far as to say that there's no such thing as anti-white racism, as Simon Kelner seems to have done - only that it is not as bad or as widespread as the racism black and Asian people face on a daily basis.
If there can be no racism against white people, then it can only mean EITHER that a black man beating up a white man because he hates white men isn't racist, OR that a black man beating up a white man because he hates white men cannot happen, never has happened, and never will happen.

I'm not denying that there is more racism per capita directed at black people than at white people. But that doesn't mean that any instances of racism by black people against white people suddenly become non-racist. They might as well say that there are no instances of husbands beaten beaten up by there wives - of course there are, even in the majority of spouse-beating cases it's the other way round.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:25 pm

I’d be inclined to feel sorry for the guy, but he’s hardly helping his case with the company he keeps.

I don’t think it’s funny and it’s extremely offensive to the Jewish community.

I bet if he taught the dog to burn a poppy you’d all be for hanging him.
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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:49 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:I’d be inclined to feel sorry for the guy, but he’s hardly helping his case with the company he keeps.

I don’t think it’s funny and it’s extremely offensive to the Jewish community.

I bet if he taught the dog to burn a poppy you’d all be for hanging him.

I don't feel even a little bit sorry for him, the guy's a ****. But that doesn't mean what he did should be a crime. And the fact that it is is the most convincing example I know of that we don't life in a society that respects freedom of speech.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Leisure » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You linked to a post by Leisure. What does Leisure's post prove?
Which post???

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by morpheus2 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:08 pm

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:32 am

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:49 am

Leisure wrote:Which post???
He's being deliberately thick. I linked a thread which disproved their accusation against me so he decided to re-label the thread "a post by Leisure". You can't, to my knowledge, link a post - only a thread.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by morpheus2 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:55 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Image


That reminded me of the drafting office scene from Alice's restaurant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yLg_bzwvxg

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:15 am

Rowls wrote:He's being deliberately thick. I linked a thread which disproved their accusation against me so he decided to re-label the thread "a post by Leisure". You can't, to my knowledge, link a post - only a thread.
Yes you can

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Spiral » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:11 am

Keir Starmer's comments while head of the CPS on another case brought under the Communications Act 2003;
Keir Starmer QC wrote:The Communications Act 2003 makes it an offence to send a communication using a public electronic communications network if that communication is “grossly offensive”. It is now established that posting comments via... constitutes sending a message by means of a public electronic communications network. It is also clear that the offence is committed once the message is sent, irrespective of whether it is received by any intended recipient or anyone else. The question in this case is therefore whether the message posted by... is so grossly offensive as to be criminal and, if so, whether a prosecution is required in the public interest.

There is no doubt that the message posted by... was offensive and would be regarded as such by reasonable members of society. But the question for the CPS is not whether it was offensive, but whether it was so grossly offensive that criminal charges should be brought. The distinction is an important one and not easily made. Context and circumstances are highly relevant and as the European Court of Human Rights observed in the case of Handyside v UK (1976), the right to freedom of expression includes the right to say things or express opinions “…that offend, shock or disturb the state or any sector of the population".
Full statement

http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2012/09/dpp-stat ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't be surprised if he appeals on the grounds of context not being taken into consideration. (Or something to that effect; I'm unfamiliar with the appropriate legal language). The crime isn't making a pug respond to "gas the Jews", the crime is posting a video on the internet where "gas the Jews" was said over twenty times, but it's impossible to ignore context; for instance, I've typed the words "gas the Jews" three times now in this post but the context is essential in understanding that I used those words in a completely benign fashion. He didn't use those words in such a benign fashion precisely because the point of the joke was to invoke the horrors of the Nazis and the holocaust as a tool-a comedic device-to make a cute pug seem less cute. It's classic anthropomorphism and the irony-the source of the humour-in seeing an innocent creature respond to such a phrase only exists with an implicit acknowledgement of the offensive nature of the phrase, which brings us back to context.

On a side note, considering the misinformation surrounding it over the past years, it would be hilarious to see the ECHR uphold his right to offend, shock or disturb the state or any sector of the population.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Image
Why did you make the black man a murderer?

Racist.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Greenmile » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:46 am

Rowls wrote:He's being deliberately thick. I linked a thread which disproved their accusation against me so he decided to re-label the thread "a post by Leisure". You can't, to my knowledge, link a post - only a thread.
The thread you linked to proved nothing. If you want to disprove the accusations against you, try this from my post 149

If you can find me, say, two examples of you calling out current / 21st century racism on this board, I'd be willing to retract my "implication", which was not that you're racist, but that you're happy to denounce people who call out racism, as long as it's not anti-white racism, of course.

I’ve already done half the job for you by finding a half hearted attempt by you to condemn the FN (post 157), so you only need to find one more example.

I don’t think you can, though, because I don’t think another example exists. Prove me wrong.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:52 am

Not something for work, because of the language, but this is Jonathan Pie’s take on it...

https://youtu.be/ti2bVS40cz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:56 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Not something for work, because of the language, but this is Jonathan Pie’s take on it...

https://youtu.be/ti2bVS40cz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He's a lot of fun. i'll watch that later.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by claptrappers_union » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:23 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Never heard of this guy until now and just watched a few of his clips. So is he really big on the left wing scene? Just curious
You've never heard of Stewart Lee?

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:04 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:You've never heard of Stewart Lee?
Nope, not too big on the stand up scene. It's mostly all just left wing circle jerking.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:31 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Nope, not too big on the stand up scene. It's mostly all just left wing circle jerking.
You really hate the left, don't you? Like, viscerally.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:35 pm

That's why the only principle you hold is "lol, librul tears". It doesn't matter how bad an idea you think something is, if it pisses off liberals then you're all for it.

Why?

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's why the only principle you hold is "lol, librul tears". It doesn't matter how bad an idea you think something is, if it pisses off liberals then you're all for it.

Why?
I mean, it's not the ONLY principle I hold... :roll:

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:37 pm

It's certainly your most important. It's the guiding principle of the alt-right.

Just look at the appointment of John Bolton and the alt-right's reaction. All the Trumpers are delighted, even though the guy is the exact opposite of the reason they voted Trump. Why? Because everyone else is horrified by his appointment, and to the alt-right everyone who isn't them is a liberal.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's certainly your most important. It's the guiding principle of the alt-right.

Just look at the appointment of John Bolton and the alt-right's reaction. All the Trumpers are delighted, even though the guy is the exact opposite of the reason they voted Trump. Why? Because everyone else is horrified by his appointment, and to the alt-right everyone who isn't them is a liberal.
I didn't know about any of that because my interest in American politics is limited.

I do know of one thing that's going on atm though, Biden v Trump.

Fair hoping Trump sits on him.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:29 pm

6 years ago one of those left-wing circle-jerking comedians...

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:6 years ago one of those left-wing circle-jerking comedians...

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ffs, he's a leftie?

Gotta throw all my Mr Bean and Blackadder dvd's now. ARHHH

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:17 pm

Here's another one of those left-wing (probably) circle-jerking comedians speaking out for freedom of speech.
But then it makes sense. Freedom of speech being a liberal idea and everything.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/co ... 70631.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Greenmile » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:51 am

Greenmile wrote:The thread you linked to proved nothing. If you want to disprove the accusations against you, try this from my post 149

If you can find me, say, two examples of you calling out current / 21st century racism on this board, I'd be willing to retract my "implication", which was not that you're racist, but that you're happy to denounce people who call out racism, as long as it's not anti-white racism, of course.

I’ve already done half the job for you by finding a half hearted attempt by you to condemn the FN (post 157), so you only need to find one more example.

I don’t think you can, though, because I don’t think another example exists. Prove me wrong.
Thought not.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Walton » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:02 pm

Saw earlier that this guy wanted Antifa to be banned, so he's not as much in favour of free speech as his defenders try to claim they are.

Putting these three together; being mates with Tommy Robinson, repeating 'gas the jews' over and over, and being anti anti-fascist, suggests that he's an unapologetic full fascist.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:31 pm

Walton wrote:Saw earlier that this guy wanted Antifa to be banned, so he's not as much in favour of free speech as his defenders try to claim they are.
So what?
Putting these three together; being mates with Tommy Robinson, repeating 'gas the jews' over and over, and being anti anti-fascist, suggests that he's an unapologetic full fascist.
So only certain people with certain beliefs and certain associations deserve free speech? It's becoming increasingly evident that you don't believe in freedom of speech.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Walton » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:28 pm

No, I don't believe that people should be allowed to say the stuff Robinson comes out with, and I don't think you should be able to put a video online where you're saying 'gas the jews' over and over and not have your collar felt.

We haven't got 100% freedom of speech in this country, that's why fascist bellends like the Pegida leader weren't allowed in.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:14 pm

Walton wrote:No, I don't believe that people should be allowed to say the stuff Robinson comes out with, and I don't think you should be able to put a video online where you're saying 'gas the jews' over and over and not have your collar felt.

We haven't got 100% freedom of speech in this country, that's why fascist bellends like the Pegida leader weren't allowed in.
Do you understand that to be offended you have to first take it out of context? You're ridiculous.

I hope he makes a follow up video where he says "gas the shoes" to get his dog to make the salute. Because then to be offended by it you have to first take it in context to understand that he's parodying "gas the jews", and then you have to take that out of context in order to be offended by it.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Walton » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:02 pm

My prediction for his future is that he'll align himself even closer to the right wing scumbags he's been associating with, and he'll commit himself fully to that cause.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:13 pm

Walton wrote:My prediction for his future is that he'll align himself even closer to the right wing scumbags he's been associating with, and he'll commit himself fully to that cause.

None of which matters.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:16 pm

What is it with this boards VSW's and their fixation with non relevant Yank nonsense like 'Antifa' and 'alt-right'?

I know that they probably watch too many crap Yank TV programmes and want to look cool on twitter or Reddit, but it still isn't relevant.

Wake up you shower of venomous gobsh1tes.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Walton » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:None of which matters.
What does matter is that he made a grossly offensive video dressed up as a 'joke', and the UK's freedom of speech laws prohibit such things. He's guilty as charged, whatever your opinion is.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:30 pm

Walton wrote:What does matter is that he made a grossly offensive video dressed up as a 'joke', and the UK's freedom of speech laws prohibit such things. He's guilty as charged, whatever your opinion is.
Fine. But stop calling it freedom of speech, because it's not. He hasn't incited anything. He was prosecuted for saying something that was subjectively offensive. Since when is that freedom of speech? Legally speaking it's no different to me saying "I hope Blackburn Rovers goes bust" and then because that's offensive to a group of people i've commited a crime for which i can be convicted. There's nothing free about my speech any more. Or yours. You've lost a fundamental human right and here you are celebrating it like a fool.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Walton » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:37 pm

Comparing the murder of 6m jews with a private limited company going bust. Nice one.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:42 pm

Walton wrote:Comparing the murder of 6m jews with a private limited company going bust. Nice one.
That's not even close to what i was comparing.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:13 am

This guy could face prosecution

https://imgur.com/gallery/hzXk7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:10 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:This guy could face prosecution

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This is the country you and your ilk have been crafting for us for years. This didn't happen over night, it has been creeping towards this for a long time. People on the right have constantly maintained that free speech in this country is a joke but you and your kin have always dismissed them as knuckle dragging racists and washed your hands of it (some were but that's not the point).

It is what it is, pretty much every aspect of what made our society strong will continue to erode and falter the more the progressives infuriate our institutions. Before long we will have a socialist government and the process will accelerate.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:43 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:This is the country you and your ilk have been crafting for us for years. This didn't happen over night, it has been creeping towards this for a long time. People on the right have constantly maintained that free speech in this country is a joke but you and your kin have always dismissed them as knuckle dragging racists and washed your hands of it (some were but that's not the point).

It is what it is, pretty much every aspect of what made our society strong will continue to erode and falter the more the progressives infuriate our institutions. Before long we will have a socialist government and the process will accelerate.
You're so full of ****. Get over your hatred of liberals.

The people you're talking about don't want free speech. They want white people, or non-muslims to be able to say what they want, but anyone elses speech should be restricted. And you're exactly the same. You're even worse than this case involving the pug because you want to lock people up just for holding extremist views. You don't even want due process for them. You want the state to be able to decide that a muslim is an extremist and locked away without trial. How's that for loving free speech, free expression, free opinions?

So yes. When i see people like you claim to want freedom of speech i will absolutely refuse to stand beside you because free speech isn't what you want. You want people who look like you, or believe like you, to be able to oppress people who don't.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're so full of ****. Get over your hatred of liberals.

The people you're talking about don't want free speech. They want white people, or non-muslims to be able to say what they want, but anyone elses speech should be restricted. And you're exactly the same. You're even worse than this case involving the pug because you want to lock people up just for holding extremist views. You don't even want due process for them. You want the state to be able to decide that a muslim is an extremist and locked away without trial. How's that for loving free speech, free expression, free opinions?

So yes. When i see people like you claim to want freedom of speech i will absolutely refuse to stand beside you because free speech isn't what you want. You want people who look like you, or believe like you, to be able to oppress people who don't.
And that's exactly why this sort of thing will continue, and get worse. Because everyone like me is a nasty racist and everyone like you is a champion for a free and tolerant society. The left made this black and white, not the right.

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:11 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:And that's exactly why this sort of thing will continue, and get worse. Because everyone like me is a nasty racist and everyone like you is a champion for a free and tolerant society. The left made this black and white, not the right.

You literally wanted to lock people up (without trial) for their extreme opinions if they were a certain religion. lol. How much clearer does it have to get?

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Re: Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You literally wanted to lock people up (without trial) for their extreme opinions if they were a certain religion. lol. How much clearer does it have to get?
People who were known to our special services who were deemed dangerous and incited violence (no mention was made of their colour of allegiance) it's only you who assumes they must all have been muslim.

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