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Post by starting_11 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:55 am

What do you think is maintaining the status quo (or as close as you're ever gonna get) in the Middle East?

It's not mutual respect, let me tell you that sunshine!

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Re: World War 3

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:58 am

starting_11 wrote:What do you think is maintaining the status quo (or as close as you're ever gonna get) in the Middle East?

It's not mutual respect, let me tell you that sunshine!

I'm quite aware of what is maintaining the status quo. I just don't think the status quo should be maintained. An ally of ours should deserve to be an ally of ours.

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Post by AndrewJB » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:20 am

An interesting article on Britain's arms trade. Some of our biggest customers are countries with which we profoundly disagree on the subject of human rights. Of interest might be the levels of subsidy the industry gets from the taxpayer, and the fact we usually provide lines of credit that leave the taxpayer responsible if the buyer neglects to pay in full.

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Post by AndrewJB » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:53 am

starting_11 wrote:What do you think is maintaining the status quo (or as close as you're ever gonna get) in the Middle East?

It's not mutual respect, let me tell you that sunshine!
The US has picked sides in the Middle East, and that is and always has been their problem. There is nothing wrong with stepping back to reevaluate, reconsider, and rethink. If America did this their alliances with Israel and Saudi might be used to curb excesses by those countries, and rapproachment with Iran might be pushed forward. The cumulative result could be a reduction in tension in the region, and meaningful talks to end the Syrian Civil War.

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Post by starting_11 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:02 pm

Division in the middle East has been around longer than America... But blame them randomly for everything if it makes you feel good

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Post by AndrewJB » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:18 pm

I didn't actually say anything was America's fault, but their foreign policy positions stand in the way of them being able to help bring peace to the region.

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Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:38 pm

I like Jonathan Pie

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Post by bfcjg » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:43 pm

We should just keep out of Arab politics and the middle east in general. They are tribal,have family groups,and have such strong religious persuasions that we in the west cannot comprehend . History has shown strong dictators bring stability.

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Post by South West Claret. » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:50 pm

bfcjg wrote:We should just keep out of Arab politics and the middle east in general. They are tribal,have family groups,and have such strong religious persuasions that we in the west cannot comprehend . History has shown strong dictators bring stability.
Yes the Middle East and a lot of Africa so it appears.

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Post by bluelabrador16 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:50 pm

Two brave wonderful people:

Eva Bartlett: Everything you've been told about Syria is a lie
"Independent journalist Eva Bartlett explains how the mainstream media lies about events in Syria."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYs0_kT36Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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.."The number of people that do not want to hear the truth is astounding! They are much happier with what the misinformation and lies the MSM puts out even though it just doesn't seem to be right."
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Vanessa Beeley Exposes the White Helmets
"For the past two years, Vanessa Beeley has been doing on-the-ground reporting in Syria exposing the lies of the NATO powers and their terrorist proxies. Her work on the White Helmets in particular has drawn the ire of the warmongers and their media mouthpieces. Today we talk to Beeley about the true nature of the White Helmets and the well-funded PR campaign that seeks to defend them."

https://www.corbettreport.com/vanessa-b ... e-helmets/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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..."This is what a true investigative journalist should look like."

..."Thank you for speaking the truth about the white helmets and where the funding comes from. Bless you for your work."
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Post by starting_11 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:40 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Yes the Middle East and a lot of Africa so it appears.
Seems to be an Islamic thing.

Ethiopia was always Christian and they've prospered since ridding their dictatorship

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Post by bluelabrador16 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:48 am

Syria False flag - Admiral Lord West Casts Doubt on Syria Attack Intelligence - BBC NEWS 16/04/2018
"Here is Admiral Lord West, former First Sea Lord, speaking to the BBC about his thoughts on why he thinks the chemical weapons attack on Douma could have been a false flag."

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Comments:


..After the lies about Iraq's WMD's, I'll NEVER believe the UK government or the BBC again.

..The mainstream media is losing its mind when everyone is smarter than them
Caitlin Johnstone

BBC Reporter Discourages Syria Questions Due To “Information War” With Russia

"You know you’re in trouble when the military man tries to do the journalist’s job by asking questions and holding power to account… and the journalist tries to stop him."

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