41 Palestinians Killed in Gaza

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:03 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:How much sugar do you have in your coffee?

Enough for the required taste. Fortunately, I have plenty so it doesn’t cause me any concern.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Hopefully some of the Texas kids were throwing stones then.

If you think there are any similarities between the reasons behind the situation in Gaza and a Texas school shooting, you are dumber than I thought. Hopefully you were trying, but failing, to be funny.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:09 pm

BennyD wrote:If you think there are any similarities between the reasons behind the situation in Gaza and a Texas school shooting, you are dumber than I thought. Hopefully you were trying, but failing, to be funny.

So you care more about a joke referencing an American shooting than you do about thousands of Palestinian people being shot at, leading to thousands of injuries and dozens of deaths?

It's funny when people like you try to take the moral high ground on something.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:43 pm

It looks like my second sentence was correct then. Btw, I’m not trying to take the moral high ground; I am trying to balance the argument against the Palestinian sympathisers on here. FWIW, I’m pretty sure you won’t be on here condemning the Palestinians the next time they start shelling the Israelis or resorting to suicide bombs and neither will I.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:43 pm

BennyD wrote:Enough for the required taste. Fortunately, I have plenty so it doesn’t cause me any concern.

Well you should be concerned, it'll rot your teeth you know.

Mind you it'll be a lot less slower than getting them shot out by an Israeli soldier.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:46 pm

Correct. However, I prefer drinking coffee to throwing rocks at people who are likely to shoot me, but thanks for the advice.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:49 pm

BennyD wrote:It looks like my second sentence was correct then. Btw, I’m not trying to take the moral high ground; I am trying to balance the argument against the Palestinian sympathisers on here. FWIW, I’m pretty sure you won’t be on here condemning the Palestinians the next time they start shelling the Israelis or resorting to suicide bombs and neither will I.

I'd like to think that condemnation of such acts would go without saying. But you're here saying that protestors throwing stones justifies their slaughter with automatic weapons fire. They're throwing stones for ***** sake. Rocks. In what ****** up world do you live in where someone throwing a stone deserves to be shot at, along with anyone who happens to be near them? It's inhumane and extreme.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:55 pm

BennyD wrote: Palestinian sympathisers on here.

Unless you are an Israeli, Yank or have no brain or heart, then it's pretty impossible not to be a Palestinian sympathiser.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 9:58 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Unless you are an Israeli, Yank or have no brain or heart, then it's pretty impossible not to be a Palestinian sympathiser.

Some people think that Palestinian sympathisers can't also be Israeli sympathisers. I'd call these people stupid, but i get into trouble for that.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:25 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Unless you are an Israeli, Yank or have no brain or heart, then it's pretty impossible not to be a Palestinian sympathiser.

Bollocxs.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'd like to think that condemnation of such acts would go without saying. But you're here saying that protestors throwing stones justifies their slaughter with automatic weapons fire. They're throwing stones for ***** sake. Rocks. In what ****** up world do you live in where someone throwing a stone deserves to be shot at, along with anyone who happens to be near them? It's inhumane and extreme.

If I knew I was likely to be shot whilst doing it, I wouldn’t throw rocks at Israeli soldiers as it is tantamount to a death sentence. I wouldn’t try to smuggle drugs into Singapore for a similar reason. Nor would I walk into a Harlem bar and announce the KKK are in town so you lot can f*ck off. Personally I judge what I am doing against the liklihood of it killing me and if I didn’t, then I’d have to accept whatever happened to me with good grace.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:41 pm

BennyD wrote:Bollocxs.

Do you dip them in sugar?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:46 pm

BennyD wrote:If I knew I was likely to be shot whilst doing it, I wouldn’t throw rocks at Israeli soldiers as it is tantamount to a death sentence. I wouldn’t try to smuggle drugs into Singapore for a similar reason. Nor would I walk into a Harlem bar and announce the KKK are in town so you lot can f*ck off. Personally I judge what I am doing against the liklihood of it killing me and if I didn’t, then I’d have to accept whatever happened to me with good grace.

So stupidity, and standing next to someone being stupid, is good enough reason to be killed now?

Maybe you'd feel differently if you were standing in line in front of, or behind, someone who is stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Singapore and then the Singapore government decided to execute you aswell.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 10:59 pm

What? The? F*ck, are you banging on about now? You have descended to spouting garbage just so you can have the last word, in which case you win. Count me out of this now. Thanks.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:02 pm

BennyD wrote:What? The? F*ck, are you banging on about now? You have descended to spouting garbage just so you can have the last word, in which case you win. Count me out of this now. Thanks.

I said people throwing rocks don't deserve to die.
You said if they're stupid enough to throw rocks are armed soldiers then they do deserve to die, and anyone around them.
I said that's ridiculous
You drew comparisons between people being stupid enough to smuggle drugs to certain countries
I used your comparison to show that with your logic if you were stood next to someone stupid enough to smuggle those drugs to those countries then you apparently deserve to die, just like those palestinians who died because they were stood next to someone stupid.

I've used your analogy and your logic to show how you are stupid.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:09 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKkCgpKk4SI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just found a typical example of the heros of Palestine doing what they do best circulating on facebook.

Thought I'd share it with you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:13 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKkCgpKk4SI

Just found a typical example of the heros of Palestine doing what they do best circulating on facebook.

Thought I'd share it with you.

So, one guy is a **** and you paint an entire people as if they're the exact same as him? Yeah, i can see how you're not a racist.
Also, that kid threw stones. BennyD thinks he should be dead.

It's nice to see that you've started to give a **** about foreign kids though. I can't help but remember how apathetic you were when one of them (about the same age) washed up dead in a European country because you thought he might have ended up here.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So, one guy is a **** and you paint an entire people as if they're the exact same as him? Yeah, i can see how you're not a racist.

Also, that kid threw stones. BennyD thinks he should be dead.

>one guy

The one time hamas or palastinian "freedom fighters" used children as human shields and/or tools of propaganda for idiots like you that eat it right up.

>one guy

Excuse me for a moment....

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So, one guy is a **** and you paint an entire people as if they're the exact same as him? Yeah, i can see how you're not a racist.
Also, that kid threw stones. BennyD thinks he should be dead.

It's nice to see that you've started to give a **** about foreign kids though. I can't help but remember how apathetic you were when one of them (about the same age) washed up dead in a European country because you thought he might have ended up here.

Oh aye, and I bet you wept yourself to sleep for days after it didn't you? Shame your first thought when 20 of them 40 miles away from where we sit we're pelted with shrapnel was to go HAM at me for suggesting people who support it and could carry it out again should be locked up.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:26 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKkCgpKk4SI

Just found a typical example of the heros of Palestine doing what they do best circulating on facebook.

Thought I'd share it with you.

'a typical example'

Thank goodness you posted it, as it's changed my whole view on the history of the last 70 years.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:26 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Oh aye, and I bet you wept yourself to sleep for days after it didn't you? Shame your first thought when 20 of them 40 miles away from where we sit we're pelted with shrapnel was to go HAM at me for suggesting people who support it should and could carry it out again be locked up.

Yeah, and do you remember one of the reasons why i went HAM at you about it? That very same reason which convinced you that your idea was dumb as ****? I won't wait for your answer: It was because your dumb idea would only make it worse. You agreed and changed your mind.

But now you're criticising me for that? For being right about something that you now agree i'm right about? You're criticising me for wanting to not make those bombings much more frequent by doing something not only counter-productive but also clearly anti-democratic, unbritish and completely at odds with the values we're supposed to be defending.

Sure, that thing you came to agree with about is definitely something to throw in my face

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yeah, and do you remember one of the reasons why i went HAM at you about it? That very same reason which convinced you that your idea was dumb as ****? I won't wait for your answer: It was because your dumb idea would only make it worse. You agreed and changed your mind.

But now you're criticising me for that? For being right about something that you now agree i'm right about? You're criticising me for wanting to not make those bombings much more frequent by doing something not only counter-productive but also clearly anti-democratic, unbritish and completely at odds with the values we're supposed to be defending.

Sure, that thing you came to agree with about is definitely something to throw in my face

You see. Counter-productive I agreed with, after the initial rage of what I'd just seen on the news wore off, sure.

However,

unbritish and completely at odds with the values we're supposed to be defending

This part I take issue with.

There is nothing moral or British about letting sh!t like that breath free air whilst parents plan to bury their 9 year old children.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:37 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:You see. Counter-productive I agreed with, after the initial rage of what I'd just seen on the news wore off, sure.

However,

This part I take issue with.

There is nothing moral or British about letting sh!t like that breath free air whilst parents plan to bury their 9 year old children.

Look at you and your cute little appeal to emotion. Bless.

Explain to me, and our grand and great-grandparents, how it is consistent with British values if we go around locking up people of a specific religion without trial, just because some people in the government have decided that they're an extremist based on purely their opinions. Obviously they haven't actually done anything to enact their extremism otherwise they'd have been prosecuted (Count Dankula's case proves that even speaking their opinions would lead to prosecution), so what you're saying is we should lock people up just because of their beliefs. And you believe that doing so is consistent with our values. lol. Really? Do you? (i'm actually asking)

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:38 pm

Who else is surprised that Moffitt takes the side of the people shooting Muslims ?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:42 pm

Greenmile wrote:Who else is surprised that Moffitt takes the side of the people shooting Muslims ?

No more surprising that to see you and Turtle on the sides of those that are willing to sacrifice their own children in their quests to eradicate the Jews.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:44 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Look at you and your cute little appeal to emotion. Bless.

Explain to me, and our grand and great-grandparents, how it is consistent with British values if we go around locking up people of a specific religion without trial, just because some people in the government have decided that they're an extremist based on purely their opinions. Obviously they haven't actually done anything to enact their extremism otherwise they'd have been prosecuted (Count Dankula's case proves that even speaking their opinions would lead to prosecution), so what you're saying is we should lock people up just because of their beliefs. And you believe that doing so is consistent with our values. lol. Really? Do you? (i'm actually asking)

Not of a specific religion, but of a specific mindset with specific intents. As I've already said countless times before.

Also, are you seriously comparing dankula and what he did to people that literally incite mass murder (for real, not as an obvious joke)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:44 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:No more surprising that to see you and Turtle on the sides of those that are willing to sacrifice their own children in their quests to eradicate the Jews.

Wow. So we're saying "hey, they're just throwing stones. Don't shoot over 1,000 of them, eh?" and you read that as defending people who want to sacrifice children.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:50 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Not of a specific religion, but of a specific mindset with specific intents. As I've already said countless times before.

And how do we determine this "specif mindset"? And then how do we determine that it's gone?

What you're saying is that it is consistent with British values to lock people up based purely on their beliefs, and either accepting Galilean-esque repentence before releasing them, which can easily be faked, or keep them locked up for the rest of their lives because we'll never know for sure they have repented.

According to you, locking up people who haven't done anything, or incited anything, or haven't even commited a crime for which there is enough evidence to arrest, prosecute and convict, is a part of British values. That's the long and short of it. You don't believe in freedom of thought. Yet you claim to believe in freedom of speech.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Wow. So we're saying "hey, they're just throwing stones. Don't shoot over 1,000 of them, eh?" and you read that as defending people who want to sacrifice children.

Is that not exactly what you are doing? Because the fact is hamas and its supporters use schools and hospitals as cover from bombs. They use children as human shields in desperate hope of getting it on video to further fuel their propaganda, they are even willing to send them running into Israel troops armed with weapons and explosives.

You are defending them as simple "stone throwers" and brushing off what they do as "protesting"

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:54 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Is that not exactly what you are doing? Because the fact is hamas and its supporters use schools and hospitals as cover from bombs. They use children as human shields in desperate hope of getting it on video to further fuel their propaganda, they are even willing to send them running into Israel troops armed with weapons and explosives.

You are defending them as simple "stone throwers" and brushing off what they do as "protesting"

Yep, because all muzzers are the same aren’t they, so the ones protesting against their homes being invaded are no different from those using kids as human shields, and deserve to be executed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:54 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Is that not exactly what you are doing? Because the fact is hamas and its supporters use schools and hospitals as cover from bombs. They use children as human shields in desperate hope of getting it on video to further fuel their propaganga, they are even willing to send them running into Israel troops armed with weapons and explosives.

You are defending them as simple "stone throwers" and brushing off what they do as "protesting"

lol. Look how you've moved the goalposts and hoped i wouldn't notice. I'm talking about Palestinians who were throwing stones. Now you're talking about Hamas as if Palestinians and Hamas mean the same thing.

Actually, it's not the goalposts you're trying to move. You're trying to move the entire playing field.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:57 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Not of a specific religion, but of a specific mindset with specific intents. As I've already said countless times before.

Also, are you seriously comparing dankula and what he did to people that literally incite mass murder (for real, not as an obvious joke)

No, i'm not doing that. Because those people clearly aren't "literally" inciting mass murder because inciting mass murder is so ******* obviously a crime that you don't need internment to lock them up, you just need evidence and a trial.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:57 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Unless you are an Israeli, Yank or have no brain or heart, then it's pretty impossible not to be a Palestinian sympathiser.

F**k me, I'm agreeing with BOT.

We'll make a sandal wearer out of you yet

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No, i'm not doing that. Because those people clearly aren't "literally" inciting mass murder because inciting mass murder is so ******* obviously a crime that you don't need internment to lock them up, you just need evidence and a trial.

You don't need to say "go out and kill these people" to incite mass murder, but you do need to say that in order to get a conviction in a court of law.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 19, 2018 12:09 am

Moffitt, i'll make this really simple for you.

You opposed the prosecution of Count Dankula because you support freedom of speech. And i agree with you on that case.
However while you opposed that prosecution you also DONT believe in freedom of thought because you want to lock up people who merely believe certain things. And even if they express those beliefs in a way that isn't inciting others to commit crimes, that's still freedom of speech and should be protected.

By wanting to lock people up based on what they believe you prove that you do not believe in freedom of thought. By wanting to lock people up who talk about their extreme beliefs you prove that you don't believe in freedom of speech. These are two fundamental British values and i think if you don't believe in fundamental British values then you don't believe in British values.

It's all funny because people very much like you, and who i'm sure still hold your former opinion on interment, and opposition to freedom of speech, quite often cite polls of Muslims who say that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise Islam. You all then go on about how these people don't hold British values.
It's funny how often your lot turn out to share fundamental values with the people you hate.

Feel free to cry "freedom of speech" again in the future though, i'll remind you of this chat when you do.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 19, 2018 12:15 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:You don't need to say "go out and kill these people" to incite mass murder, but you do need to say that in order to get a conviction in a court of law.

You can't even incite other people to hate someone. So these extremists you're on about can't even say on Twitter "good, **** infidels" when one of us infidels gets murdered/injured. But you think that there are people skirting the law on inciting actual mass murder?

Don't talk shite.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat May 19, 2018 12:21 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Moffitt, i'll make this really simple for you.

You opposed the prosecution of Count Dankula because you support freedom of speech. And i agree with you on that case.
However while you opposed that prosecution you also DONT believe in freedom of thought because you want to lock up people who merely believe certain things. And even if they express those beliefs in a way that isn't inciting others to commit crimes, that's still freedom of speech and should be protected.

By wanting to lock people up based on what they believe you prove that you do not believe in freedom of thought. By wanting to lock people up who talk about their extreme beliefs you prove that you don't believe in freedom of speech. These are two fundamental British values and i think if you don't believe in fundamental British values then you don't believe in British values.

It's all funny because people very much like you, and who i'm sure still hold your former opinion on interment, and opposition to freedom of speech, quite often cite polls of Muslims who say that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise Islam. You all then go on about how these people don't hold British values.
It's funny how often your lot turn out to share fundamental values with the people you hate.

Feel free to cry "freedom of speech" again in the future though, i'll remind you of this chat when you do.

I've never really been one of those "freedom of speech" shouties on the right. The truth is their motivations are often hollow and agenda driven, they just use the freedom of speech defense because they want to say what they want to say without being no platformed or protested. Which is ironic because if they were serious about free speech they'd be all for students protesting them, but they aren't, aside from a few they are hypocrites just like their likenesses on the left.

I have my own views on freedom of speech and where to draw the line. I don't necessarily think people should be free to say whatever they want with impunity and I never have.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat May 19, 2018 12:23 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You can't even incite other people to hate someone. So these extremists you're on about can't even say on Twitter "good, **** infidels" when one of us infidels gets murdered/injured. But you think that there are people skirting the law on inciting actual mass murder? Don't talk shite.

I'm genuinely at a loss with this post so I'm just going to ignore it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 19, 2018 12:39 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I've never really been one of those "freedom of speech" shouties on the right. The truth is their motivations are often hollow and agenda driven, they just use the freedom of speech defense because they want to say what they want to say without being no platformed or protested. Which is ironic because if they were serious about free speech they'd be all for students protesting them, but they aren't, aside from a few they are hypocrites just like their likenesses on the left.

I have my own views on freedom of speech and where to draw the line. I don't necessarily think people should be free to say whatever they want with impunity and I never have.

No one thinks people should be able to say literally anything with impunity. But let's not pretend you support freedom of speech. And you obviously don't believe in freedom of thought. These are fundamental British values, and you don't believe in them. Remember that if you ever get tempted to complain that a Muslims doesn't hold them dear.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat May 19, 2018 1:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I said people throwing rocks don't deserve to die.
You said if they're stupid enough to throw rocks are armed soldiers then they do deserve to die, and anyone around them.
I said that's ridiculous
You drew comparisons between people being stupid enough to smuggle drugs to certain countries
I used your comparison to show that with your logic if you were stood next to someone stupid enough to smuggle those drugs to those countries then you apparently deserve to die, just like those palestinians who died because they were stood next to someone stupid.

I've used your analogy and your logic to show how you are stupid.

You are getting tedious now. What I said was that if you willingly go to a violent demonstration in the face of armed troops with a reputation of opening fire on such rioters, you deserve all that’s coming to you. If you are a part of such a mob then you aren’t an innocent bystander. Therefore, I am not saying that anyone standing next to a drug smuggler in an airport queue deserves to get hanged either unless they too are a drug smuggler. You are trying to twist my words to show how clever you are, but all you are doing is reinforcing the fact that you are an argumentative dickhead. If you want to troll anyone else, leave me out of it. Thanks.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat May 19, 2018 1:32 pm

BennyD wrote:You are getting tedious now. What I said was that if you willingly go to a violent demonstration in the face of armed troops with a reputation of opening fire on such rioters, you deserve all that’s coming to you. If you are a part of such a mob then you aren’t an innocent bystander. Therefore, I am not saying that anyone standing next to a drug smuggler in an airport queue deserves to get hanged either unless they too are a drug smuggler. You are trying to twist my words to show how clever you are, but all you are doing is reinforcing the fact that you are an argumentative dickhead. If you want to troll anyone else, leave me out of it. Thanks.

He's full of false equivalencies is our Turtle.

Earlier in this thread he tried to compare what Count Dankula did in his joke Pug video to what Islamic hate preachers do regarding freedom of speech.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat May 19, 2018 2:00 pm

I have to agree CM. Once I used to have a grudging respect for him as a debator, but these days he’s more of a masturbator. It’s a shame as his posts aren’t worth reading anymore.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 19, 2018 2:06 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:He's full of false equivalencies is our Turtle.

Earlier in this thread he tried to compare what Count Dankula did in his joke Pug video to what Islamic hate preachers do regarding freedom of speech.

They're not false equivalencies. They're inconsistencies in both your positions. Palestinians deserve to die because they threw stones. But if those Texan kids threw stons at an armed kid Benny would never think they deserved what they got.

Islamic extremists who say they hate Jews, Brits, or whoever deserve to be locked up without trial, but Count Dankula says it and it's a violation of free speech. So what you're saying is that because one person means it and the other doesn't then one's a crime and one isn't. That means you're criminalising thoughts and that you want to imprison people for them.

You're both ****** up in the head.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat May 19, 2018 3:33 pm

There he goes again, waffling away trying to prove a point. Forget it mate, before you lose what little credibility you have left. Life is too short to argue the toss with an idiot like you so reluctantly, you are the second poster on my foe list. Btw, that’s not because I regard you as my enemy, but because your posts are crass and tedious. Au revoir.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat May 19, 2018 3:47 pm

BennyD wrote:I have to agree CM. Once I used to have a grudging respect for him as a debator, but these days he’s more of a masturbator. It’s a shame as his posts aren’t worth reading anymore.

I did as well, but then he just went full troll at some point in the last 12 months. I think the Brexit and especially the trump thing pushed him over the edge.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat May 19, 2018 3:49 pm

It’s a shame really but, as you say, he’s turned into a bit of a **** lately.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sun May 20, 2018 3:02 pm

BennyD wrote:There he goes again, waffling away trying to prove a point. Forget it mate, before you lose what little credibility you have left. Life is too short to argue the toss with an idiot like you so reluctantly, you are the second poster on my foe list. Btw, that’s not because I regard you as my enemy, but because your posts are crass and tedious. Au revoir.

seriously, the 'foe' function is the refuge of the weak.

if you don't like what someone says just don't read it. are you really so impulsive?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 20, 2018 3:18 pm

yTib wrote:seriously, the 'foe' function is the refuge of the weak.

if you don't like what someone says just don't read it. are you really so impulsive?

Imagine being someone so insensitive that they claim not to give a **** about people being slaughered, then saying those people deserved to be massacred because they threw stones, and then being too sensitive so someone elses opinions on an internet forum that you have to block them from appearing on your screen.

His sensitivity scale is a bit backwards.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun May 20, 2018 7:53 pm

Oh look it’s yTib and Ingrowing Toenail, our very own Waldorf and Statler, no doubt giving me sh!t for blanking them both. Without reading their posts I expect it to be one or more of; you are weak, a coward, can’t debate or can’t handle a different opinion. The way I use the “foe” button is like dealing with the pub w4nker; you can engage in conversation, ignore him or leave the pub. I prefer to ignore him by moving somewhere in the pub where I can’t see or hear him and that’s why you two are on my foe list. I know you are still there and still an irritation but I’ve removed the liklihood of interaction, which is great. Please take this in the spirit in which it is meant. Thanks.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sun May 20, 2018 11:35 pm

It's sad how the Israelis and Palestinians have had their politics taken over by men of violence, and the situation become more polarised as sections of the leadership of each side has become more extreme. A two state solution hasn't been practicable for a long time, and I can't see it happening now at all.

Militarily, the Palestinians aren't going to win, but if they keep offering themselves up to Israeli bullets world opinion will eventually turn against the Israelis. There will be more boycotts, and Israel could become a pariah state. The cost to Israel of maintaining the status quo could become too much, and then the Israeli government could find themselves bargaining from a weaker position than they currently hold. Israel depends on too many external factors to be able to go it alone.

To me the smartest thing the Israelis could now do is make a concerted effort for peace and reconciliation. If I were to advise the Palestinians it would be to march on the border only holding flowers - but there is too much anger in the injustice they feel for that to be more a motivating thing than throwing stones (although stones are no more better weapons than flowers against the IDF). By offering major concessions, and a real roadmap for peace, the Israeli government might take away some of the oxygen fueling the burning injustice the Palestinians feel.

Israel has the right to exist, but the Palestinian people also have the right to their homeland. Not every wrong can be righted, but the best solution would for them to live together in the same land.