Europa League Seedings

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon May 21, 2018 7:39 pm

They've only been going a few years, with a few lower leagues to their belt.

Would be like playing Hoffenheim or one of those other nothing clubs.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 21, 2018 7:41 pm

Dazzler wrote:Glasgow Rangers ?

I want somewhere at least a flight away. How good will it be going to airport and seeing claret and blue everywhere. It’ll be brilliant. Rangers wouldn’t be too bad mind. It’ll be written arfield scores the winner though

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 21, 2018 7:43 pm

Dyched wrote:I want somewhere at least a flight away.

Manchester-Glasgow by Easy jet-£20 return

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 21, 2018 7:46 pm

Dazzler wrote:Manchester-Glasgow by Easy jet-£20 return

Somewhere with bloody water in the way man!!

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 21, 2018 7:49 pm

Dyched wrote:Somewhere with bloody water in the way man!!

You get a good view of the Firth Of Clyde before landing at Glasgow.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 21, 2018 7:50 pm

Shamrock Rovers on the ferry?

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue May 22, 2018 12:56 pm

the most I've got out of this thread is that there's a Premier League in Gibraltar

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:24 pm

Even in Malta

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue May 22, 2018 3:48 pm

As I understand it the top 5 seeds and bottom 5 seeds (based on the expectation that the higher rated team wins QR1) are put in pot 1 and drawn against each other. The same happens to the next 5 seeded teams (which will include us) and the next lowest 5 seeded teams, etc etc etc. Thus we will not be drawn against any of the Scottish teams.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:24 pm

Hope we get Molde, especially if it's raining, since Moss didn't make it. Will give great headline material for the gutter press.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:47 pm

Dy1geo wrote:Looking at the seedings etc in round 2 unless we draw a Scottish side there are not that many “attractive” away ties. However if we get to play off round and the games go as per the seedings given the teams listed at present there is only Besitkas that I wouldn’t fancy going to and I can see many fans “hoping” we get that far and that will be the one most decide to do the “away” leg.

Are we looking for the most attractive away tie during the qualifying phase? personally i'm hoping for the easiest possible game until we reach the group stage.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:15 pm

Gibraltar would be great for me. An hour and half away!!

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:18 pm

Are the Spanish still blockading the border?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:20 pm

Why doesn't the Vatican City have a team? Surely there are enough fit guys among the Swiss Guard.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:24 pm

Nah, it's relatively easy to get into Gib at the moment.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:32 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Gibraltar would be great for me. An hour and half away!!

It would be great for most of us.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:34 pm

bfcmik wrote:As I understand it the top 5 seeds and bottom 5 seeds (based on the expectation that the higher rated team wins QR1) are put in pot 1 and drawn against each other. The same happens to the next 5 seeded teams (which will include us) and the next lowest 5 seeded teams, etc etc etc. Thus we will not be drawn against any of the Scottish teams.

Yes you're right..as I read your post I thought I'd seen something of that description.
Seem to be random with the seedings & non seeds though.

Here:
https://en.as.com/en/2017/07/14/footbal ... 34859.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:43 pm

Didn't a team from Malta beat Barry Town from Wales last year? Be careful what you wish for.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:20 pm

Dazzler wrote:Yes you're right..as I read your post I thought I'd seen something of that description.
Seem to be random with the seedings & non seeds though.

Here:
https://en.as.com/en/2017/07/14/footbal ... 34859.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I presume the same applies for the Welsh & Irish teams.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:30 pm

Spijed wrote:I presume the same applies for the Welsh & Irish teams.

If you mean could we draw a Welsh or Irish team..I guess we could

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:34 pm

Dazzler wrote:For all those who are dreaming of a possible trip to the San Siro in the group stages;you might want to hope that we do not draw a team from any one of these nations early on:

Ireland,Finland,Norway,Sweden,Iceland,Latvia,Estonia,Lithuania,Belarus,Moldova or Kazakhstan.

Teams from those countries that we could possibly draw might only be of League 2 standard at best ; but they will be 15-20 games into their season.

I originally missed out Ireland.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm

ontario claret wrote:Didn't a team from Malta beat Barry Town from Wales last year? Be careful what you wish for.

West Ham only beat B'Kara on penalties 3 years ago.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/33609404

Would be great to watch Burnley in Malta - the national stadium is just up the road from where I live

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:Are we looking for the most attractive away tie during the qualifying phase? personally i'm hoping for the easiest possible game until we reach the group stage.

I would like the “easiest ties” to get through but the point I was making if the results go as per seedings if we get to the play off rounds going off the link that was posted above we are likely to be non seeded in that round and there is only Besitkas of the seeded teams I wouldn’t fancy going to.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 pm

Last time I put the teams up who were likely to be seeded above us, it was before the excellent post above explaining that teams get split into pots of 5 (i.e. if we just about fail to be seeded, we will get one of the teams seeded slightly above us, not one at the top like Sevilla), IF we get through the first two rounds. I'm hypothesising that because there are only 13 seeds in the play offs, there are only 3 teams in the 3rd and 4th pots (who knows?).

So....I've added the coefficient for each team in my earlier list and sorted them, and guessed the pots. The ones in red are the ones I think we would be likely to draw in the play offs (OR the unseeded team that beat them in Q3, because the draw is done before Q3). We should get a Pot 2 team or a Pot 3 team if we get lucky and some get knocked out (or a minnow and we get REALLY lucky with the minnow knocking out one of these big teams in Q3). Let's see if that proves correct!

Sorry if this is a bit complex, blame UEFA. This guess is just for the nerdy types like me who think this is fun

Definitely qualified :

113,000 Sevilla (Spain) POT 1
78,000 FC Zenit (Russia) POT 1
57,000 Besiktas (Turkey) POT 1
54,000 Olympiacos (Greece) POT 1
40,000 Sporting Lisbon (Portugal) POT 1
30,500 Braga (Portugal) POT 2
27,500 Steaua Bucharest (Romania) POT 2
27,000 Gent (Belgium) POT 3
25,000 AZ Alkmaar (Netherlands) POT 3
22,500 Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel) POT 4
21,500 Feyenoord (Netherlands) POT 4
21,500 Rapid Vienna (Austria) POT 5
17,000 Red Bull Leipzig (Germany) POT 5
17,000 FK Partizan (Serbia) POT 5
15,921 CLARETS POT 5

Probably (depending on future games):

34,500 Sparta Prague (Czech) POT 2
34,000 FC Copenhagen (Denmark) POT 2
29,500 PAOK (Greece) (the most likely Champions League exit) POT 2
27,000 Genk (Belgium) POT 3
22,500 Maribor (Slovenia) POT 4

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:33 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Last time I put the teams up who were likely to be seeded above us, it was before the excellent post above explaining that teams get split into pots of 5 (i.e. if we just about fail to be seeded, we will get one of the teams seeded slightly above us, not one at the top like Sevilla), IF we get through the first two rounds. I'm hypothesising that because there are only 13 seeds in the play offs, there are only 3 teams in the 3rd and 4th pots (who knows?).

So....I've added the coefficient for each team in my earlier list and sorted them, and guessed the pots. The ones in red are the ones I think we would be likely to draw in the play offs (OR the unseeded team that beat them in Q3, because the draw is done before Q3). We should get a Pot 2 team or a Pot 3 team if we get lucky and some get knocked out (or a minnow and we get REALLY lucky with the minnow knocking out one of these big teams in Q3). Let's see if that proves correct!

Sorry if this is a bit complex, blame UEFA. This guess is just for the nerdy types like me who think this is fun

You don't realise how many teams play in this competition, until you are in it!

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:21 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Last time I put the teams up who were likely to be seeded above us, it was before the excellent post above explaining that teams get split into pots of 5 (i.e. if we just about fail to be seeded, we will get one of the teams seeded slightly above us, not one at the top like Sevilla), IF we get through the first two rounds. I'm hypothesising that because there are only 13 seeds in the play offs, there are only 3 teams in the 3rd and 4th pots (who knows?).

So....I've added the coefficient for each team in my earlier list and sorted them, and guessed the pots. The ones in red are the ones I think we would be likely to draw in the play offs (OR the unseeded team that beat them in Q3, because the draw is done before Q3). We should get a Pot 2 team or a Pot 3 team if we get lucky and some get knocked out (or a minnow and we get REALLY lucky with the minnow knocking out one of these big teams in Q3). Let's see if that proves correct!

Sorry if this is a bit complex, blame UEFA. This guess is just for the nerdy types like me who think this is fun

Definitely qualified :

113,000 Sevilla (Spain) POT 1
78,000 FC Zenit (Russia) POT 1
57,000 Besiktas (Turkey) POT 1
54,000 Olympiacos (Greece) POT 1
40,000 Sporting Lisbon (Portugal) POT 1
30,500 Braga (Portugal) POT 2
27,500 Steaua Bucharest (Romania) POT 2
27,000 Gent (Belgium) POT 3
25,000 AZ Alkmaar (Netherlands) POT 3
22,500 Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel) POT 4
21,500 Feyenoord (Netherlands) POT 4
21,500 Rapid Vienna (Austria) POT 5
17,000 Red Bull Leipzig (Germany) POT 5
17,000 FK Partizan (Serbia) POT 5
15,921 CLARETS POT 5

Probably (depending on future games):

34,500 Sparta Prague (Czech) POT 2
34,000 FC Copenhagen (Denmark) POT 2
29,500 PAOK (Greece) (the most likely Champions League exit) POT 2
27,000 Genk (Belgium) POT 3
22,500 Maribor (Slovenia) POT 4

What a waste of a day you've had

If you would care to take a look at this link that I actually posted further up https://en.as.com/en/2017/07/14/footbal ... 34859.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; you will then notice that the seeded & unseeded teams were spaced out in the pots.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:46 pm

I've given up looking at who we may get.

We're not even forced to get a team who play on the European continent.

As long as it's not one of the Asian teams or land grabbing Middle East

teams, then I'm alright with it.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 pm

Dazzler wrote:What a waste of a day you've had

If you would care to take a look at this link that I actually posted further up https://en.as.com/en/2017/07/14/footbal ... 34859.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; you will then notice that the seeded & unseeded teams were spaced out in the pots.

That takes you to last years draw - the format has been changed for this year.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:51 pm

Dazzler wrote:What a waste of a day you've had

If you would care to take a look at this link that I actually posted further up https://en.as.com/en/2017/07/14/footbal ... 34859.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; you will then notice that the seeded & unseeded teams were spaced out in the pots.

Well, a waste of 10 minutes anyway

Part of that was looking at last year’s draw too, along with last year’s coefficients, and I noticed that there was indeed a pattern as the above poster suggested, that sides who were lower in the seeding got drawn against a side not far below them who were unseeded. Unless persuaded otherwise, I’m leaning towards thinking that the split into pots is correct, and thus the sides in red I have highlighted are the ones that it is most likely we would play if we get that far. I hope I’m right, I’m basing my holiday plans around it

(Coincidentally, this could also be why two English teams, West Ham being one, have in recent years been knocked out by identical opposition two years on the trot - because UEFAs system only has a narrow range of sides each team could play).

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:50 pm

bfcmik wrote:That takes you to last years draw - the format has been changed for this year.

Yes I know it's last years,It's quite obvious it was last years....it said 2017/18...

I am unaware of any changes...please forgive me

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:43 am

Apologies if this has already been listed, but the Wiki page now shows the seedings for the Europa League so we can now definitely see some of the teams we won't be drawn against.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%8 ... ying_round" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:53 am

So we will be seeded for 2nd and 3rd round

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:55 am

Ventspils I would guess

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:56 am

ClaretTony wrote:Apologies if this has already been listed, but the Wiki page now shows the seedings for the Europa League so we can now definitely see some of the teams we won't be drawn against.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%8 ... ying_round" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Will we be drawn against un-seeded opponents?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:59 am

Leisure wrote:Will we be drawn against un-seeded opponents?

Until Preliminary round I think.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:07 am

Spijed wrote:Until Preliminary round I think.

Preliminary round? We don't play in that.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:08 am

Leisure wrote:Will we be drawn against un-seeded opponents?

I assume that's why they've seeded half of the teams in each round.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:21 am

Leisure wrote:Will we be drawn against un-seeded opponents?

Until Play off round yes

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:54 am

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burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:57 am

TVC15 wrote:Until Play off round yes

Woke up at 5 this morning a couldn’t get back to sleep. Decided to look at flights to the various venues we could play at. Sweden was coming out the cheapest if I recall.

There are some weird and wonderful journeys to some of the locations. A potential trip to Romania gave me a wry smile when looking at the route.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:20 am

Beitar Jerusalem for starters please.

You can just imagine 5000 Clarets turning up for a night out on the Gaza strip.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:23 am

tybfc wrote:Beitar Jerusalem for starters please.

You can just imagine 5000 Clarets turning up for a night out on the Gaza strip.

Would be a cracking night out too

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:29 am

dpinsussex wrote:Would be a cracking night out too

I'm sure it would, but shame none having the cracking night out would actually see the game, which would be in Jerusalem, about 100 miles away

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:31 am

7 hr flight to Armenia to play FC Gandzasar Kapan ?? Whose up for it?????

Just noted only 6 teams play in the Armenian premier league and this lot came 3rd. Ground only holds 14k

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:35 am

NRC wrote:I'm sure it would, but shame none having the cracking night out would actually see the game, which would be in Jerusalem, about 100 miles away

That's a normal Accy Claret's pub stop

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:39 am

dpinsussex wrote:7 hr flight to Armenia to play FC Gandzasar Kapan ?? Whose up for it?????

Just noted only 6 teams play in the Armenian premier league and this lot came 3rd. Ground only holds 14k

Count me in.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:41 am

tybfc wrote:Count me in.

Could be worse one of the grounds only holds 780

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Pyunik" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:58 am

The 5 teams we could get drawn against if UEFA follow their usual draw system of using pots of 10 are: Irtysh Pavlodar & Kairat from Kazakhstan, Rangers & Hibs from Scotland and Shakhtyor Soligorsk from Belarus - or rather the winner of their 1st qualifying round ties.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Preliminary round? We don't play in that.

Yes, I meant the play off's.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:03 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Could be worse one of the grounds only holds 780

Our ticket allocation would be 39 (5%)!!!!