Trump backtrack.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:43 pm

bumba wrote:Just under three hours until the biggest game of the season, maybe our last in europe for many a years worst case, possibly a great night an we qualify for the group stages yet STILL your more interested in Donald Trump....... YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNN

You have no self-awareness or sense of irony, do you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:08 am

Trump's one again flipping his **** over the New York Times

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Nate Silver thinks whoever this is is simply setting themselves up to get outed so that they can secure a book deal, which might very well be true. But just how incompetent do you have to be as a president that your own staff are doing this?

Whatever happens the Cheeto Mussolini is furious and it's hilarious.

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"Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over."

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:29 am

If Trump is doing all this absolutely horrific stuff he is accused of, why not just impeach him? makes you wonder about the credibility of a lot of it...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:24 am

burnleymik wrote:If Trump is doing all this absolutely horrific stuff he is accused of, why not just impeach him? makes you wonder about the credibility of a lot of it...

His own party control the impeachment process.

Are you incapable of doing the most basic research into your own questions?

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:His own party control the impeachment process.

Are you incapable of doing the most basic research into your own questions?

Are you incapable of understanding the point? if he has done the horrific things he has been accused of and there is evidence, even his own party would impeach him. Jesus wept, you are struggling tonight Mr turtle.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:00 am

burnleymik wrote:Are you incapable of understanding the point? if he has done the horrific things he has been accused of and there is evidence, even his own party would impeach him. Jesus wept, you are struggling tonight Mr turtle.

No they wouldn't. You have no understanding of just how partisan the Republicans are if you think they would lift a finger to remove their own party's president. You're talking about a party that would propose laws to congress but because a Democrat president agreed with them and wanted to try their ideas they then turned around and voted against their own laws, or didn't even allow it to be voted on. One memorable occasion was when Mitch McConnell, the senate minority leader at the time, even filibustered his own bill because they were so opposed to being seen to be working with the Democrats that their own ideas suddenly became poison to them if Obama liked it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one that you simply don't know what you're talking about because unless you've paid attention to US politics the last 5-10 years it's pretty difficult to imagine just how stupid it is. I think if you spent time learning about it though you'll at least understand why i'm so entertained by it.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:08 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:No they wouldn't. You have no understanding of just how partisan the Republicans are if you think they would lift a finger to remove their own party's president. You're talking about a party that would propose laws to congress but because a Democrat president agreed with them and wanted to try their ideas they then turned around and voted against their own laws, or didn't even allow it to be voted on. One memorable occasion was when Mitch McConnell, the senate minority leader at the time, even filibustered his own bill because they were so opposed to being seen to be working with the Democrats that their own ideas suddenly became poison to them if Obama liked it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one that you simply don't know what you're talking about because unless you've paid attention to US politics the last 5-10 years it's pretty difficult to imagine just how stupid it is. I think if you spent time learning about it though you'll at least understand why i'm so entertained by it.

Are you entertained by it though? because tbh you give the impression that you are seriously unnerved and rattled by it more so than entertained.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:24 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Are you entertained by it though? because tbh you give the impression that you are seriously unnerved and rattled by it more so than entertained.

People here defending Trump, his blatant corruption and amorality does unnerve me, but what is actually happening in the US does entertain me. It wouldn't entertain me if it happened here though, which can happen when people here defend him and give UK versions of Trump ideas of power.

I mean, c'mon! How can you not be entertained by a president who claims to be innocent while admitting to crimes? Or who claims to respect the rule of law but criticise the justice department for prosecuting congressmen because they are Republicans? It's hilarious.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:38 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:People here defending Trump, his blatant corruption and amorality does unnerve me, but what is actually happening in the US does entertain me. It wouldn't entertain me if it happened here though, which can happen when people here defend him and give UK versions of Trump ideas of power.

I mean, c'mon! How can you not be entertained by a president who claims to be innocent while admitting to crimes? Or who claims to respect the rule of law but criticise the justice department for prosecuting congressmen because they are Republicans? It's hilarious.

This is your huge problem. You see things that are not there. I have not defended, nor attacked Trump. My point was simply if he had committed the offenses he has been accused of he would have been impeached.

If Trump had committed the bribery, treason or any of the other myriad of accusations levelled at him, he would have been removed from office, as it is against the US constitution.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:02 am

burnleymik wrote:This is your huge problem. You see things that are not there. I have not defended, nor attacked Trump. My point was simply if he had committed the offenses he has been accused of he would have been impeached.

If Trump had committed the bribery, treason or any of the other myriad of accusations levelled at him, he would have been removed from office, as it is against the US constitution.

You’re saying that he can’t have committed the offences he’s been accused of, but you’re not defending him??

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:24 am

Greenmile wrote:You’re saying that he can’t have committed the offences he’s been accused of, but you’re not defending him??

Nope. I am saying if he was as bad as he is portrayed he would be out. It's not defending, it's a fact.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:49 am

I don't think you are not familiar with how it works in the US.

If you have a shed load of cash, you can make sure those issues stay away for a long time.

Not saying he's guilty of all of the things he's been accused of, but he's definately 100% very defensive about things that could lead to him being impeached.

I don't think he's bothered about doing it either but his ego couldn't handle actually being impeached and dismissed from office. Be interesting to see how it goes as Mueller has already uncovered far more than similar activities run against Clinton.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:05 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I don't think you are not familiar with how it works in the US.

If you have a shed load of cash, you can make sure those issues stay away for a long time.

Not saying he's guilty of all of the things he's been accused of, but he's definately 100% very defensive about things that could lead to him being impeached.

I don't think he's bothered about doing it either but his ego couldn't handle actually being impeached and dismissed from office. Be interesting to see how it goes as Mueller has already uncovered far more than similar activities run against Clinton.

I think anyone would be defensive about serious allegations about them. Let's be honest he is scrutinised more than any other president and has made lots of enemies, if they had something solid then they would have had him out. There are plenty of people with more money and power than him.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:10 am

Like I said, you don't understand the US legal system.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:22 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Like I said, you don't understand the US legal system.

Nope, I don't really understand the US legal system. Do you?

If he breaks the constitution then can they not get him out on that basis? Are you telling me they would allow a criminal to remain president?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:26 am

burnleymik wrote:This is your huge problem. You see things that are not there. I have not defended, nor attacked Trump. My point was simply if he had committed the offenses he has been accused of he would have been impeached.

If Trump had committed the bribery, treason or any of the other myriad of accusations levelled at him, he would have been removed from office, as it is against the US constitution.

No. He. Wouldn't.

Did you even bother to read my post explaining why he wouldn't be removed by the current Congress? I don't mind that you don't know, and i'm more than happy to educate but I need some kind of signal that you're even interested in understanding before i waste any more time on you in explaining it because none of your posts since you turned up on this forum have indicated that you're even capable of listening in good faith.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:28 am

A bit to be honest, but most of it is got from reading opinion pieces from people who do in the NYT and the Washington Post.

Essentially as long as he's got the senate and the HOR on his side, then he's perfectly safe.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:33 am

burnleymik wrote:Nope, I don't really understand the US legal system. Do you?

If he breaks the constitution then can they not get him out on that basis? Are you telling me they would allow a criminal to remain president?

Impeachment isn't a criminal process. It's a political process. The house of representatives is controlled by Republicans and it requires a majority of them to vote to impeach. The senate is controlled by Republicans and it requires a two-thirds majority to convict a president. 51 Senators are Republicans. There are 100 senators (including whomever the Governor of Arizona chooses to replace McCain)

As i've pointed out how hyper-partisan the Republican's are there's no way they will remove a president of their own party, certainly not while they have a SCOTUS nominee to confirm, mid-term election to try and not be wiped out from and more tax cuts for their donors to pass.

You are naive and uninformed. Or you're wilfully ignorant. Either way you're wrong.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:36 am

It's an incredible situation.

The US can cope with corruption in office, it's a national way of life.

But the world can't cope with Trump's amorality. It's like he's been catapulted from 1980 into the White House just to offend diversity champions worldwide. And that only increases his support in the US while he trumpets all he's doing for the military and economy.

I agree with Lancs, I think he's perfectly safe.

Bit like Corbyn really, the only hope moderates have is that he'll resign.

If we run a book on who goes first I think we'll be waiting a while (though they are both pretty old)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:46 am

Guich wrote:It's an incredible situation.

The US can cope with corruption in office, it's a national way of life.

But the world can't cope with Trump's amorality. It's like he's been catapulted from 1980 into the White House just to offend diversity champions worldwide. And that only increases his support in the US while he trumpets all he's doing for the military and economy.

I agree with Lancs, I think he's perfectly safe.

Bit like Corbyn really, the only hope moderates have is that he'll resign.

If we run a book on who goes first I think we'll be waiting a while (though they are both pretty old)

It's not entirely true that resignation is the only hope, he could be removed from office by the Vice President and a majority of the cabinet if they decide he's unfit to serve, but there's a couple of things to know about that path.

1. Trump can contest it. If he does, and he would, then the matter will be decided by the Senate and the senate would need to vote two-thirds against the president or he will be reinstated. Trump would then sack the "disloyal" cabinet members and replace them with god knows who. Ivanka and Jared probably.

2. This wouldn't solve the problem of his removal being an unmitigated disaster to the Republicans. And if there isn't a mental incapacity, or any other demonstrable incapacity, then more Republicans would probably have to retire because even more of them would never get elected again. Self-interest will prevent senators from voting against Trump.

There are probably a few other problems that might seem outlandish, like domestic terrorism and enough violence that might necessitate martial law in some areas. But most people wouldn't believe them until it happened.

Edit: oh, and President Mike Pence might be even worse. That guy is like an almost-hinged version of Sarah Palin. Trump pretends to want a Christian States of America but Mike Pence isn't pretending, and is an evangelical's wet dream.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:04 am

"Self-interest will prevent senators from voting against Trump."
Absolutely spot on.
And it could never happen here, could it ?
Well, on a smaller scale, it's quite interesting that the Tory MP for Burton, Andrew Griffiths has just been exposed as an oddball, sending many, many texts of a highly sexual and disturbing nature to a couple of women from the town, urging one of then, amongst other things, to beat the other up so he can get even more turned on. He even referred to himself as "Daddy". Some of this whilst at work, all of this as patron of the YMCA and, more fundamentally, as a er, champion of women's rights.
The Tory party at local and national level, are, of course, wringing their hands and talking of Andrew's "illness" invoking our sympathy.
If you or I were involved in this kind of stuff, we'd be out of a job/beaten up/locked up.
Griffiths will be a laughing stock from now on, albeit a very wealthy one, but he is, frankly, unsackable - the government majority is so "waffa" thin and the Party's interests - not the country's or the constituency's - are so important, the freak will continue to steal a wage.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:22 am

burnleymik wrote:Nope, I don't really understand the US legal system. Do you?

Unbelievable but proof this guy is the biggest chump on this messageboard. Has no idea what he's talking about (admits it himself) but gets into an argument probably for one of a couple of reasons

a) To argue with IT which is pathetic and childish
b) Because the idiot branch of the Brexit brigade cant cope with proper discussions and fact checking and prefer shouty populism that fits their agenda (often driven by small minded racism and xenophobia) and only listen to those who hold the same views. Trump ticks all their boxes and so defend him at all costs even if they are clueless to what they are actually defending

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:30 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Unbelievable but proof this guy is the biggest chump on this messageboard. Has no idea what he's talking about (admits it himself) but gets into an argument probably for one of a couple of reasons

a) To argue with IT which is pathetic and childish
b) Because the idiot branch of the Brexit brigade cant cope with proper discussions and fact checking and prefer shouty populism that fits their agenda (often driven by small minded racism and xenophobia) and only listen to those who hold the same views. Trump ticks all their boxes and so defend him at all costs even if they are clueless to what their are actually defending

It's reasonable for someone who doesn't know much about the US legal (legislative) process to believe that lawmakers wouldn't put up with a criminal president. My problem with burnleymik's type of ignorance is that he depends on it so much that when I offer to inform him he isn't interested, because then he'll have no excuse to disagree with me.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:40 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Unbelievable but proof this guy is the biggest chump on this messageboard. Has no idea what he's talking about (admits it himself) but gets into an argument probably for one of a couple of reasons

a) To argue with IT which is pathetic and childish
b) Because the idiot branch of the Brexit brigade cant cope with proper discussions and fact checking and prefer shouty populism that fits their agenda (often driven by small minded racism and xenophobia) and only listen to those who hold the same views. Trump ticks all their boxes and so defend him at all costs even if they are clueless to what they are actually defending

I am sure you are somehow linked with IT.

I can accept I don't know how the US legal system works and that's why I haven't argued it only questioned it.

You too make many generalisations and assumptions based on very little.

Maybe when you grow up and can debate like an adult, even sometimes admitting when you don't know something, then you can be in a position to judge. Until then... You are how you act.. A clown.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:49 am

There's plenty of material on here from you to inform my opinion and make my assumptions.

I generalise and make assumptions but you make an assumption on the same post I must be linked to IT

I need to debate like an adult and you tell be to grow up and that I act like a clown

Id guess your views are so myopic you don't even see your own contradictions. Anyhow I have no interest in debating with people like you cos I think you hold abhorrent views and its like arguing with Christians about religion having discussions with you and your lot.

Think what you like of me I don't care I'm just thankful I'm able to enjoy the world and the human race beyond the small minded, little England, fearful perspective you seem to hold and be proud of

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:52 am

Without blaming anyone, but its very annoying on here the amount of people who have very strong opinions on stuff they know nothing about.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:04 pm

burnleymik wrote:Nope. I am saying if he was as bad as he is portrayed he would be out. It's not defending, it's a fact.

“I’m not defending my client your honour, I’m just saying he didn’t commit the crimes he’s been accused of.”

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:42 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:There's plenty of material on here from you to inform my opinion and make my assumptions.

I generalise and make assumptions but you make an assumption on the same post I must be linked to IT

I need to debate like an adult and you tell be to grow up and that I act like a clown

Id guess your views are so myopic you don't even see your own contradictions. Anyhow I have no interest in debating with people like you cos I think you hold abhorrent views and its like arguing with Christians about religion having discussions with you and your lot.

Think what you like of me I don't care I'm just thankful I'm able to enjoy the world and the human race beyond the small minded, little England, fearful perspective you seem to hold and be proud of

Yeah, try just debating the point, rather than making it about the poster, that is an ability you seem to strongly lack, the same as a couple of other people. What are these "abhorrent" views I hold?

You are clearly a bigot.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:51 pm

burnleymik wrote:I am sure you are somehow linked with IT.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:55 pm

burnleymik wrote:I think anyone would be defensive about serious allegations about them. Let's be honest he is scrutinised more than any other president and has made lots of enemies, if they had something solid then they would have had him out. There are plenty of people with more money and power than him.

Even you must agree that among his core support he is untouchable regardless of what he has done. He could be a mass murderer yet to many Republicans that is fine as long as he stays as President.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:

There are a lot of similarities in the way you post. You both attack the poster when they disagree, rather than just going after the points they are making. The only difference is that IT does also address some of the things you say, DA is just a troll, I suspect.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:03 pm

Spijed wrote:Even you must agree that among his core support he is untouchable regardless of what he has done. He could be a mass murderer yet to many Republicans that is fine as long as he stays as President.

Yep, I do agree with that and he has done a LOT of utterly ridiculous things, but I can't agree with the last part, that is the kind of hysteria that some of the media buy into.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:06 pm

burnleymik wrote:Yeah, try just debating the point, rather than making it about the poster, that is an ability you seem to strongly lack, the same as a couple of other people. What are these "abhorrent" views I hold?

You are clearly a bigot.

Prepare for the answer that will never come to this question, believe me, I've tried myself.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:11 pm

burnleymik wrote:

There are a lot of similarities in the way you post. You both attack the poster when they disagree, rather than just going after the points they are making. The only difference is that IT does also address some of the things you say, DA is just a troll, I suspect.

I don't attack the poster when they disagree with me. If i do attack a poster it's only because their opinion is contrary to facts. I'm commonly accused of insulting people because they disagree with me but that's the accusation of a moron who can't seem to grasp that if i do insult someone, which is rarer than you'd think, it's only because they are consistently and demonstrably wrong about something despite being repeatedly corrected.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:11 pm

burnleymik wrote:Yep, I do agree with that and he has done a LOT of utterly ridiculous things, but I can't agree with the last part, that is the kind of hysteria that some of the media buy into.

But when you have some of his supporters saying all presidents commit crimes is it any wonder they are portrayed that way?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:13 pm

burnleymik wrote:Yep, I do agree with that and he has done a LOT of utterly ridiculous things, but I can't agree with the last part, that is the kind of hysteria that some of the media buy into.

Why do you think that? What is it about the republican party that makes you think that they would be happy to remove their own president if he was a criminal?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:51 pm

Does this count as a Trump backtrack?

Here's video of him calling someone mentally retarded.
https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status ... 0516604928" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He'll still deny it.

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening" - Donald Trump

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:22 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Prepare for the answer that will never come to this question, believe me, I've tried myself.

Still waiting it seems....

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