2.7 Million Brexiteers Have Changed to Remain

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:40 pm

Half and half. I do go to the tourist spots but go out of the area to where the locals go as well. The Euro just rounded all prices up didn't it?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:48 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Half and half. I do go to the tourist spots but go out of the area to where the locals go as well. The Euro just rounded all prices up didn't it?

That's effectively what I was saying. If you bought something in Euros prior to the referendum you got almost 1.4 to the pound, now it's almost parity, so obviously when you go abroad you pay a lot more.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:08 pm

Yes but even the non tourist spots were more expensive than Northern England even if you offered an exchange rate of 1.50 to the pound.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:21 pm

You remainers kept the Secretary General vote quiet didn't you?
It's a good job us leave voters are so stupid or we may have voted in someone like Farage

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/pres ... /en/102716" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:23 pm

Damo wrote:You remainers kept the Secretary General vote quiet didn't you?
It's a good job us leave voters are so stupid or we may have voted in someone like Farage

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/pres ... /en/102716" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

file under uncomfortable home truths that remainers don't want to talk about.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:26 pm

Jesus, progress

We are being called "remainers" now rather than "remoaners".

We'll have you on the side of the good guys yet Damo!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:27 pm

Though there is absolutely no chance of you getting into the good guys Andy I'm afraid.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:43 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: We'll have you on the side of the good guys yet Damo!

I voted to take a financial hit for the benefit of my grand children. I'd say I'm on that side already. Though I'm sure you would disagree

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:46 pm

Damo wrote:You remainers kept the Secretary General vote quiet didn't you?
It's a good job us leave voters are so stupid or we may have voted in someone like Farage

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/pres ... /en/102716" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting. So you think the rules by which a decision is made are important to adhere to, do you? I agree, but it's nice to see that you agree too.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Interesting. So you think the rules by which a decision is made are important to adhere to, do you? I agree, but it's nice to see that you agree too.

You mean like the refererendum?
Yes, yes I do

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:49 pm

Damo wrote:You mean like the refererendum?
Yes, yes I do

And breaking the rules would be bad. Very bad. Right?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And breaking the rules would be bad. Very bad. Right?

No, I fully accept that not implementing the result is just absolute democracy

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:52 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yes but even the non tourist spots were more expensive than Northern England even if you offered an exchange rate of 1.50 to the pound.

I don't think that you'll find that's true. If you go to the poorer areas of the EU, (some much poorer than Northern England), you'll find that many prices are lower.
Except for luxury goods like electronics you'll generally find prices pretty cheap in Hungary, Roumania, Poland etc. Portugal can be very cheap too if you are away from the Algarve and the big cities.
In any case, leaving exchange rates to one side, it's not so simple. There are wide fluctuations. e.g. Buying clothes in the UK is much cheaper than abroad, but other things (e.g. Public transport) are much more expensive.
Eating out in the UK is amongst the most expensive in the EU, but buying mobile phones is cheaper.
Buying alcohol in most countries in a supermarket is much cheaper than at home, but if you buy at the bar or in a restaurant it is likely to be much more expensive.
To be fair you could argue this forever, comparing all the different countries and the cost of goods / services.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:56 pm

Damo wrote:No, I fully accept that not implementing the result is just absolute democracy

You just used rule breaking as a stick with which to beat the EU. So I trust that you'll be happy to see rule breaking be punished by those who broke them in convincing us to make the decision to leave the EU. I mean, if you didn't then that would be you being intellectually inconsistent and i'm sure you'd never want to be seen as intellectually inconsistent. In fact i'm sure it's very important to you that you're consistent in your opinions when it comes to the application of decision-making rules.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You just used rule breaking as a stick with which to beat the EU. So I trust that you'll be happy to see rule breaking be punished by those who broke them in convincing us to make the decision to leave the EU. I mean, if you didn't then that would be you being intellectually inconsistent and i'm sure you'd never want to be seen as intellectually inconsistent. In fact i'm sure it's very important to you that you're consistent in your opinions when it comes to the application of decision-making rules.

That wasn't the stick I was beating the EU with charlie

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:18 pm

Damo wrote:I voted to take a financial hit for the benefit of my grand children. I'd say I'm on that side already. Though I'm sure you would disagree

I've seen a few people say this, which is a bit weird as young people were generally keener on the other option.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:30 pm

aggi wrote:I've seen a few people say this, which is a bit weird as young people were generally keener on the other option.

My grandkids haven't been born yet

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:32 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:That's effectively what I was saying. If you bought something in Euros prior to the referendum you got almost 1.4 to the pound, now it's almost parity, so obviously when you go abroad you pay a lot more.

Pre referendum 1.26 currently 1.11, I'm all for rounding to simplify things but your figures are stretched to say the least.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 pm

Caballo wrote:Pre referendum 1.26 currently 1.11, I'm all for rounding to simplify things but your figures are stretched to say the least.

Don't have the figures to hand as I am out, but I think that you'll find that for the 18 months leading up to the vote in 2016 it was pretty consistently between 1.35 and 1.4. You can check for me if you like.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:11 pm

Damo wrote:I voted to take a financial hit for the benefit of my grand children. I'd say I'm on that side already. Though I'm sure you would disagree

What financial hit? I thought we'd be £350 million per week richer?

I thought you all voted to leave the EU so things could get better? Are you saying you deliberately voted to make yourselves and others poorer?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:15 pm

When I bought my house in Spain six years ago, the exchange I transferred the monies at was 1,11. Today it is still 1,11 or thereabouts. It was only up at for 1,30-35 for a short while. Swings and roundabouts.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:21 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:What financial hit? I thought we'd be £350 million per week richer?

I thought you all voted to leave the EU so things could get better? Are you saying you deliberately voted to make yourselves and others poorer?

Sorry to butt in but John Let’s not forget the not so small matter of approximately 40 Billion to leave?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:35 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:What financial hit? I thought we'd be £350 million per week richer?

I thought you all voted to leave the EU so things could get better? Are you saying you deliberately voted to make yourselves and others poorer?

That's the problem with people like you.
You believe everything you read in your favourite red top instead of understanding other people's point of view.
There's folk like you on the leave side so don't worry

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:40 pm

My grandkids haven't been born yet

I was about to say!

Sure me and you have a kid starting secondary this week.

How did it go?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:51 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Sorry to butt in but John Let’s not forget the not so small matter of approximately 40 Billion to leave?

My post was laced with sarcasm. I always knew that leaving the EU would hurt this country. It's the main reason why I didn't vote for it.

What's surprising is that there are people like Damo who (seemingly) also knew that leaving the EU would hurt this country (despite the Leave campaign telling everybody the exact opposite would be the case) and still voted for it anyway.

So Damo, what happened to the remain campaign selling Project Fear to everyone? I thought it was just scaremongering and lies? Clearly you didn't believe what the Leave campaign was telling you, and you just admitted you're taking a financial hit to leave the EU.

So are you someone who actually believed and agreed with what the Remain campaign was telling you, vis-à-vis, economic hardship, yet sided with the Leave campaign when it come to the vote?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I was about to say!

Sure me and you have a kid starting secondary this week.

How did it go?

Ah yes. His first day was yesterday. It started poorly (fell over on the way into assembly right in front of his older brother, you can imagine how much sympathy he got there) he's had a much better day today though and seems to be settling in.
My Mrs has been a nervous wreck despite being through this once before.
Did it all go ok for you pal?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:02 pm

Yeah, he was off to the bus stop on his own this morning and seems to be enjoying it.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:06 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:My post was laced with sarcasm. I always knew that leaving the EU would hurt this country. It's the main reason why I didn't vote for it.

What's surprising is that there are people like Damo who (seemingly) also knew that leaving the EU would hurt this country (despite the Leave campaign telling everybody the exact opposite would be the case) and still voted for it anyway.

So Damo, what happened to the remain campaign selling Project Fear to everyone? I thought it was just scaremongering and lies? Clearly you didn't believe what the Leave campaign was telling you, and you just admitted you're taking a financial hit to leave the EU.

So are you someone who actually believed and agreed with what the Remain campaign was telling you, vis-à-vis, economic hardship, yet sided with the Leave campaign when it come to the vote?

All of the projections I saw indicated initial turbulence.
I can't vouch for what you read. Obviously it all fit on the side of 1 bus, so I can understand your silly comments right now.
Surely nobody on either side expected leaving would result in economic stability (or gain) in the 18 months/2/5/10 years following the result?
Reading your comments that seems like a silly question.
Or maybe you are still slightly bitter about the result

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yeah, he was off to the bus stop on his own this morning and seems to be enjoying it.

Ah good stuff mate. I always think I'd love to be a kid and do school differently again, but still remember how hard the first few days were at secondary. I don't remember starting primary school, and starting college was a breeze, but secondary school seemed like a massive step.
It helps that my lad has an older brother and loads of his old classmates started at the same time there I suppose

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:20 pm

Damo wrote:All of the projections I saw indicated initial turbulence.
I can't vouch for what you read. Obviously it all fit on the side of 1 bus, so I can understand your silly comments right now.
Surely nobody on either side expected leaving would result in economic stability (or gain) in the 18 months/2/5/10 years following the result?
Reading your comments that seems like a silly question.
Or maybe you are still slightly bitter about the result

The vast majority of what the Leave campaign put out was along the lines of us enjoying all the benefits of single market membership, which we have now, with much fewer costs and downsides. The emphasis was on us being an exceptional case, who the EU would make significant concessions for in order to trade with us.

Is any of that untrue?

There was no talk of leaving the single market, the Customs Union or leaving without any deal at all. Whenever anybody talked of us ending up like Norway, the Leave side repeatedly stressed that we are not Norway. We are a far bigger country and a far bigger economy. The EU will be much more accommodating because of that.

Is any of that untrue?

What's happened in the time since the vote, is that we've all discovered that we are not an exceptional case after all, and that the EU will not allow us to enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the costs. This is why we're genuinely in danger of leaving with no deal. It's why the government is having to make plans for stockpiling food and medicines for god's sake.

This was never sold to the British public. To try and claim that everybody knew this all along and were happy to vote for it is nonsense.

If this is how it's going to end up, then it needs to go back to the public. Ask them if they're prepared to endure economic hardship for 10 years or more in order to leave the EU. See how many people will willingly vote for food and medicine shortages.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:29 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:The vast majority of what the Leave campaign put out was along the lines of us enjoying all the benefits of single market membership, which we have now, with much fewer costs and downsides. The emphasis was on us being an exceptional case, who the EU would make significant concessions for in order to trade with us.

Is any of that untrue?

There was no talk of leaving the single market, the Customs Union or leaving without any deal at all. Whenever anybody talked of us ending up like Norway, the Leave side repeatedly stressed that we are not Norway. We are a far bigger country and a far bigger economy. The EU will be much more accommodating because of that.

Is any of that untrue?

What's happened in the time since the vote, is that we've all discovered that we are not an exceptional case after all, and that the EU will not allow us to enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the costs. This is why we're genuinely in danger of leaving with no deal. It's why the government is having to make plans for stockpiling food and medicines for god's sake.

This was never sold to the British public. To try and claim that everybody knew this all along and were happy to vote for it is nonsense.

If this is how it's going to end up, then it needs to go back to the public. Ask them if they're prepared to endure economic hardship for 10 years or more in order to leave the EU. See how many people will willingly vote for food and medicine shortages.

I reckon we will all be able to handle the food and medicine shortages if they are as hard hitting as the emergency budget..

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:49 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:The vast majority of what the Leave campaign put out was along the lines of us enjoying all the benefits of single market membership, which we have now, with much fewer costs and downsides. The emphasis was on us being an exceptional case, who the EU would make significant concessions for in order to trade with us.

Is any of that untrue?

There was no talk of leaving the single market, the Customs Union or leaving without any deal at all. Whenever anybody talked of us ending up like Norway, the Leave side repeatedly stressed that we are not Norway. We are a far bigger country and a far bigger economy. The EU will be much more accommodating because of that.

Is any of that untrue?

What's happened in the time since the vote, is that we've all discovered that we are not an exceptional case after all, and that the EU will not allow us to enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the costs. This is why we're genuinely in danger of leaving with no deal. It's why the government is having to make plans for stockpiling food and medicines for god's sake.

This was never sold to the British public. To try and claim that everybody knew this all along and were happy to vote for it is nonsense.

If this is how it's going to end up, then it needs to go back to the public. Ask them if they're prepared to endure economic hardship for 10 years or more in order to leave the EU. See how many people will willingly vote for food and medicine shortages.

https://youtu.be/zNnh-KhiLm0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://youtu.be/PJt3bEA_ylg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are plenty of examples of being told we were leaving the customs union and single market. The two I posted probably are not the best but I'm busy getting my son off to bed.
The argument that we are not leaving immediately is still rumbling on. There is plenty of appetite for it among some quarters.
Me, I'd take a softer Brexit in exchange for getting away from the overall governance of the (un-ellected) plutocracy of the EU.
Your original point was to insinuate I never saw immediate negative impacts to the economy though. I'm fairly sure I have always stated I expected a financial hit following the result.
I was obviously always capable of taking both sides of the argument with a pinch of salt and voting in a way that I consider to be for the best.
I didn't expect £350 million pounds per week benefit to the nhs, nor did I believe the forecast of an overnight depression and an emergency budget.
I also don't believe we will run out of food, fuel and medicine, nor will we have the European commission bent over a table

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Damo wrote:I was obviously always capable of taking both sides of the argument with a pinch of salt and voting in a way that I consider to be for the best.
I didn't expect £350 million pounds per week benefit to the nhs, nor did I believe the forecast of an overnight depression and an emergency budget.
I also don't believe we will run out of food, fuel and medicine, nor will we have the European commission bent over a table

This is part of the problem. I imagine anyone with an ounce of sense didn't take those things absolutely literally, except it seems, the remainers.

I still think we have to give Brexit a fair chance. I see there is now talk, in some EU areas, of allowing some type of Canada plus deal, which would be ideal. Let us have a go at going it alone and make a good shot of it, then in a good few years, have a vote on how it's going and let's also see how the EU develops with it's ever further integration and possibly eve centralised taxation!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:12 pm

burnleymik wrote:This is part of the problem. I imagine anyone with an ounce of sense didn't take those things absolutely literally, except it seems, the remainers.

I still think we have to give Brexit a fair chance. I see there is now talk, in some EU areas, of allowing some type of Canada plus deal, which would be ideal. Let us have a go at going it alone and make a good shot of it, then in a good few years, have a vote on how it's going and let's also see how the EU develops with it's ever further integration and possibly eve centralised taxation!

Yet Boris Johnson still continues with the £350 million lie, insisting it's too low.

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burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:14 pm

Spijed wrote:Yet Boris Johnson still continues with the £350 million lie, insisting it's too low.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42698981" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The point I was making is that it was to show how much we give the EU and what else COULD be done with that money. No one I know who voted Brexit thought the day we leave we would start giving the NHS £350 million per week and the only people I hear that from is the remain supporters.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:43 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:I reckon we will all be able to handle the food and medicine shortages if they are as hard hitting as the emergency budget..

Problem is that the Emergency Budget is likely to be announced in light of the food and medicine shortages, and guess which part of the country would be hardest hit?
(However, for what it's worth, I don't believe we will have a hard brexit, and therefore no food shortages or an Emergency budget. The opportunistic Tories will never allow a Hard Brexit, since the short term consequences would almost certainly result in a Gen Election which they would lose heavily - even with Corbyn leading the Labour Party. Only my opinion of course.)

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:57 pm

I think the reason we won't have an emergency budget is because we won't need one. Remember, the prediction record of people predicting emergency budgets - even when it's Prime Ministers and Chancellors of the Exchequer doing the predicting - is zero percent.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:00 am

aggi wrote:I've seen a few people say this, which is a bit weird as young people were generally keener on the other option.

Not weird at all. It's fairly normal that grandparents don't automatically share the views of their grandchildren - some of them actually believe their grandchildren can be wrong.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:02 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:What financial hit? I thought we'd be £350 million per week richer?

I thought you all voted to leave the EU so things could get better? Are you saying you deliberately voted to make yourselves and others poorer?

Maybe it's a longer term view. People often make decisions to make themselves poorer in the short term so they can be better off in the long term - eg. leaving a reasonably paid job with few prospects to take a worse paid job with better prospects.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:46 am

Damo wrote:I voted to take a financial hit for the benefit of my grand children. I'd say I'm on that side already. Though I'm sure you would disagree

There's a far bigger threat to your grand children than foreigners coming here to take their jobs and benefits at the same time, but i'd be willing to bet that a disproportionate number of Leave voters oppose taking action to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:43 am

I'm not sure our grandchildren are going to be too impressed with how we've left the world, whatever happens after Brexit to be perfectly honest.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:01 am

dsr wrote:Maybe it's a longer term view. People often make decisions to make themselves poorer in the short term so they can be better off in the long term - eg. leaving a reasonably paid job with few prospects to take a worse paid job with better prospects.

But how long is the longer term view, dsr? As a country, how long are we prepared to accept a worse standard of living for? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?
It's as though people on the Leave side don't even pretend that there any benefits to leaving the EU anymore. Everything is about damage limitation and long term views. Very different from what was being said during the referendum campaign of 2016.

The point is the conversation has shifted so far away from what the general public were initially promised, that we should be re-evaluating everything at this point, and asking the public if they're happy with it.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:05 am

dsr wrote:Maybe it's a longer term view. People often make decisions to make themselves poorer in the short term so they can be better off in the long term - eg. leaving a reasonably paid job with few prospects to take a worse paid job with better prospects.

Except for the fact that it wasn't advertised like that, Brexiters didn't vote leave to willingly make themselves poorer as all the reasons given to them at the time were that it would make them better of. The Leave slogan wasn't "We'll all be poorer then later, richer", it's like saying "We didn't vote leave to give extra money to the NHS" when clearly that was also a factor.

I also think people may have misunderstood their grandchildren's ideals, young people aren't going to thank you in **** years for saving the country they are going to hate you for short-sightedly destroying it.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:07 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
I also think people may have misunderstood their grandchildren's ideals, young people aren't going to thank you in **** years for saving the country they are going to hate you for short-sightedly destroying it.

Amazing how many remainers have crystal balls.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:13 am

Think JOhn has nailed it if you are being fair.

Not one of you is going to pretend that what was promised before the referendum is the same as what we are going to get?

Oh.......

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:17 am

Apologies but this tweet from Mr James O'Brien sums it up a lot better than I can

"The effortless glide from: "We'll get a great deal because they need us more than we need them," to: "I knew all along there'd be no deal. That's exactly what I voted for,:" is complete."

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure our grandchildren are going to be too impressed with how we've left the world, whatever happens after Brexit to be perfectly honest.

That’s a bit glass half empty isn’t it? (Or maybe even taking the glass, smashing it, and replacing it with a much smaller glass).

We do face challenges - climate change, population growth and extreme religious ideology being the big three.

But we (as in the human race) have made fantastic achievements during my lifetime. I would expect my grandkids to be very proud. I know your post was mainly talking about the UK but we have to retain some perspective.

When I was born extreme poverty was over 50%, now it is under 20%. That’s billions of people taken out of it.

Literacy has gone along a similar path, as has childhood mortality.

For freedom loving lefties and liberals, the proportion living in democracy is now over 50% and rising.

Demographic transition is helping lower fertility and thus control worldwide population (in essence, the more the parent has confidence their children will survive, the fewer they feel they need to have).

The reason this is important is because it is a competitive, capitalist world that has mainly led to these improvements. The more free trade there is, the more these stats will improve, even if a few DO get very rich out of it. Brexit is a great thing for the people in the countries where these stats remain relevant - and it can be great for ours too. Yes, we do need to address inequality, but Brexit will help that, not hinder.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:20 am

burnleymik wrote:Amazing how many remainers have crystal balls.

lol?

Considering we've never left the EU before I would say the whole thing is based on what might happen no? Or is that just the best you can do?

Here's another prediction, considering politics has now become populist and the current populist sentiment is to Remain then it won't be long before somebody runs on a "rejoin the EU" promise and wins and we rejoin. I expect it to be one of these "thankful" grandchildren.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that support for Leave is collapsing while support for Remain is escalating.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:23 am

Yup, it is a class half m/t post and I freely admit it.

Though I think you are seriously letting the cat out of the bag with your political views with this zinger!

For freedom loving lefties and liberals,

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:23 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Brexit is a great thing for the people in the countries where these stats remain relevant - and it can be great for ours too. Yes, we do need to address inequality, but Brexit will help that, not hinder.

Which is why the government is stockpiling food and medicines, for the great "unhindering".