Scudamore - I hope we told them to do one

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:47 pm

dsr wrote:How would he compete? The main financial part of the job was in negotiating the TV contracts, which are set for three years anyway, aren't they?

I suppose he is now unable to work for the League of Wales in a similar role, so if the League of Wales or any other league wants to swoop in and persuade Sky to divert money from the PL, Scudamore won't be the man to do it. And how big a danger was that, exactly?

And another question - he was on £900k per year basic when he was working full time. Why does he need double that now that he's an occasional consultant?

The competition is not with the League of Wales it's with the likes of the NFL which is paying $50 million per year to its equivalent executive.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:48 pm

Rodleydave wrote:So if they were denied a vote and told to pay it... then include this in the statement.

Dave-- as I understand it, they have not given him a pay-off as such because they have got round it by technically keeping him on the pay roll as a consultant and also tying him into not doing other football work for three years.
Evidently this was the decision of the audit and remuneration committee and no vote was taken. Nice work if you can get it!!

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:56 pm

Highly amusing. All these people going on about it being disgusting, shameful etc. yet doing f... all about.

The internet at its best.

We know what the Premier League is all about. It was about money from the very beginning and it still is. Don't like it. Then stop watching it.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:07 pm

Hipper wrote:Highly amusing. All these people going on about it being disgusting, shameful etc. yet doing f... all about.

The internet at its best.

We know what the Premier League is all about. It was about money from the very beginning and it still is. Don't like it. Then stop watching it.

Have a look on Twitter, far worse than on here. Direct debit getting cancelled, season ticket not getting renewed and never buying a twix at turf Moor ever again.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:14 pm

Hipper wrote:Highly amusing. All these people going on about it being disgusting, shameful etc. yet doing f... all about.
We know what the Premier League is all about. It was about money from the very beginning and it still is. Don't like it. Then stop watching it.

Isn't it ok just to voice an opinion that it's a crappy thing to do? It's not enough for me to pack in watching Burnley but yeah, if I think it's s**t then I reckon it's ok to say so without taking 'direct action'.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:20 pm

Hipper wrote:Highly amusing. All these people going on about it being disgusting, shameful etc. yet doing f... all about.

The internet at its best.

We know what the Premier League is all about. It was about money from the very beginning and it still is. Don't like it. Then stop watching it.

To be honest, I don't find any of this amusing.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:24 pm

Shameful decision from the club ...as is the arrogant " no further comment " line.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:24 pm

Money isn't real anyway

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:28 pm

Try telling that to folks who havent got any...

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:31 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Shameful decision from the club ...as is the arrogant " no further comment " line.

Decision made by the audit and remuneration committee of the Premier League and clubs instructed that they must pay so what are they supposed to do.
I am totally against the payment, however, if you are part of the organisation and instructed to pay I don't see how you can refuse. There is nothing further to add as far as I am concerned because the Club issued a statment telling it the way it is.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:32 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:It now appears that the clubs were denied a vote on this and were just told that they had to pay it. Shameful!

You cant MAKE a club pay it, surely!?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:39 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You cant MAKE a club pay it, surely!?

I would suggest that they can if it was a committee decision that a sum be levied against each club. They could also probably put a time limit on the date it has to be paid and, if it is not paid, they can also probably put an additional fine on top.
This is normal practice,even at County FA level and the PL is way above that ---in its own mind!

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:42 pm

'Burnley Football Club supports the statement of the Premier League ' according to the club. No mention of being told what to do or say.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:43 pm

...and who is on the remuneration committee ?...

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:47 pm

Fulham, Southampton and Watford according to journalist Matt Lawton.

So yeah for anyone wondering, we showed zero spine and went along with it anyway. If we showed half this willingness to comply with valuations in the transfer market eh.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:53 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:'Burnley Football Club supports the statement of the Premier League ' according to the club. No mention of being told what to do or say.

To be honest, BFC's statement reads to me as though their hands were tied, almost apologetic. If 14/20 say jump the other six must comply - conditions of membership.

That said, if this was a 'pay up or resign' deal, then we should have resigned with immediate effect. It would have caused mayhem in the Premier League and permanently damaged the brand, and Scudamore. (and undoubtedly us, granted)

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:57 pm

Should be a viral campaign to boo and shout shame as players line up. All clubs.
Quite sad that I read a story tonight about a six year old girl denied a life enhancing drug as it cost £100000 a year.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:04 pm

Mike Garlick on Facebook asking us to donate to BFC in the community and Alzheimers, cos he's walking to Huddersfield away.
HELLO Mike, £250000 just been given to a very rich man. Priorities please!

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:09 pm

bfcjg wrote:Should be a viral campaign to boo and shout shame as players line up. All clubs.
Quite sad that I read a story tonight about a six year old girl denied a life enhancing drug as it cost £100000 a year.

I read a story that Marie Antoinette's pearl was auctioned for record $36m last night ---that is also very sad but this is what is happening on a daily basis and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it whether it is the Premier League or Sotheby's.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:13 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:I read a story that Marie Antoinette's pearl was auctioned for record $36m last night ---that is also very sad but this is what is happening on a daily basis and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it whether it is the Premier League or Sotheby's.

There is though. Complain make it uncomfortable shame them vote your wallet it's immoral especially as we keep hearing about all the Prem clubs" amazing" community work.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:32 pm

bfcjg wrote:There is though. Complain make it uncomfortable shame them vote your wallet it's immoral especially as we keep hearing about all the Prem cubs" amazing community "work.

My complaining will not make one iota of difference particularly when the club have been instructed to do what they have.
The PL will continue in its own way whether we complain or not, however, if we manage to stay up this will be my last season because of developments next season.
The PL has done absolutely nothing for grassroots football, however, they will continue to issue figures which would seem to give a contrary view. Those of us that have been involved in running local leagues for years will tell you what they haven't done!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:33 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:My complaining will not make one iota of difference particularly when the club have been instructed to do what they have.
The PL will continue in its own way whether we complain or not, however, if we manage to stay up this will be my last season because of developments next season.
The PL has done absolutely nothing for grassroots football, however, they will continue to issue figures which would seem to give a contrary view. Those of us that have been involved in running local leagues for years will tell you what they haven't done!

Absolutely correct. Well said.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:09 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:To be honest, BFC's statement reads to me as though their hands were tied, almost apologetic.

Club statement:

"The Premier League has today agreed the arrangements for Richard Scudamore stepping down from his role as Executive Chairman.

The decision was made by the Audit and Remuneration Committee and the Non-Executive Directors, supported and endorsed by the clubs.

The payments, which will eventually total £5 million, will be spread over the next three years and are in consideration of three important areas:

• It was vital that a comprehensive set of non-compete clauses were extended, to ensure the best possible protection for the future of the Premier League.

• It was agreed that it is crucial for the League’s ongoing success that Richard’s unique knowledge and experience remain available in an advisory capacity.

• The payments are in recognition of the outstanding work Richard has carried out over the last 19 years.

The Premier League would like to put on record our thanks to Richard for his exceptional contribution to the success of the League.

Burnley Football Club supports the statement of the Premier League and the rationale behind such payments and the work carried out by the remuneration committee.

The club will be making no further comment on this matter."

Definition of apologetic: "expressing or showing regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure"

If the club was required to make the statement, and I'm not hearing an apologetic tone, you would hope there were ways and means by which it could register its dissention. Even if this was quoting the rule by which it was forced to publish the statement without amendment. If not, then it really is very sinister and time to worry.

UTC!

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pm

I'll certainly not be buying any 'refreshments' at the Newcastle game. Hopefully all clarets follow suit.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:27 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:I'll certainly not be buying any 'refreshments' at the Newcastle game. Hopefully all clarets follow suit.

What refreshments? Bamber bridge had real ales on draft, chips and gravy or curry sauce. What have we improved in in all our time in the Premier league, sweet FA, yet we can spunk a quarter of a million on a rich man.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:47 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:What refreshments? Bamber bridge had real ales on draft, chips and gravy or curry sauce. What have we improved in in all our time in the Premier league, sweet FA, yet we can spunk a quarter of a million on a rich man.

And that is why so many are ****** off.

We could argue till the cows come home about whether Scudamore should get this £5M or not. Sure, he’s done an amazing job growing the PL, and the club has benefitted.

But the regular fan, who works five days a week to pay for their season ticket, sees the same **** ridden toilets, and crap facilities. Disabled supporters will be getting wet for another winter and ‘match day heroes’ will be working for free.

And yet, we’ve upgraded the chairman’s lounge and corporate facilities in the BL again this summer, and we are now paying £250k to Scudamore.

Record revenue and profits, yet in the three years of being in the PL, fans feel forgotten, undervalued, and not listened to.

The board have to be careful because it may not be too long before we’re living hand to mouth again, and scraping £250k together to keep us going for another month.

The club statement comes across as arrogant, ignorant and belittling. It perfectly encapsulates the perceived attitude the club has towards its fans at present. Whoever is responsible for our twitter feed, nay PR in general, needs sacking. Immediately.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:53 pm

What should happen is that a chant of sorts should be created by someone regards Scudamore and chanted for 90 mins around all Premiership games. This way all viewers world wide will get to see the contempt which clubs hold their fans in. There is no way that the tv stations could silence the masses on tv coverage.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:03 pm

Interesting how he has done such a good job for the premier league, but **** all for football.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:48 pm

Mike Garlick is on the Remuneration committee

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... gue-board/

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:03 am

TsarBomba wrote:And that is why so many are ****** off.

We could argue till the cows come home about whether Scudamore should get this £5M or not. Sure, he’s done an amazing job growing the PL, and the club has benefitted.

But the regular fan, who works five days a week to pay for their season ticket, sees the same **** ridden toilets, and crap facilities. Disabled supporters will be getting wet for another winter and ‘match day heroes’ will be working for free.

And yet, we’ve upgraded the chairman’s lounge and corporate facilities in the BL again this summer, and we are now paying £250k to Scudamore.

Record revenue and profits, yet in the three years of being in the PL, fans feel forgotten, undervalued, and not listened to.

The board have to be careful because it may not be too long before we’re living hand to mouth again, and scraping £250k together to keep us going for another month.

The club statement comes across as arrogant, ignorant and belittling. It perfectly encapsulates the perceived attitude the club has towards its fans at present. Whoever is responsible for our twitter feed, nay PR in general, needs sacking. Immediately.

The problem here is with the club therefore. Not necessarily the payment. But how the clubs handled it and how it also spends its money.

That said they spend money and it should be on players.

On players should be on facilities.

They can never win.

Personally, and I may be in a minority I am not THAT bothered about the facilities. I am only there 90 minites a fortnight. Tbh the grottier the better in some respects. Holding on to what we have left of how football was

Having said that its absolutely right we prioritise disabled facilities.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:11 am

Oshkoshclaret wrote:The competition is not with the League of Wales it's with the likes of the NFL which is paying $50 million per year to its equivalent executive.

The idea that the PL needed to pay him this money to stop him working for the NFL is no more sensible than to stop him working for the League of Wales. Premier League TV rights are not in competition with NFL TV rights. Especially as NFL contracts are signed up till 2022.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:27 am

Clarets4me wrote:Indeed you would, if I would, as I suspect you and I are operating at a similar level ...

However, Mr Scudamore has been richly financially rewarded beyond the dreams of most of us, for the excellent job he's done. At his rarified level, his gracious turning down of this proposed " Golden Goodbye " would set him apart from those who've brought adverse publicity upon themselves in the world of FTSE 100/250 Companies over the last few years. The Chair of Persimmon, the construction Company, who accepted an £80m+ annual bonus & then had to resign, Philip Green with BHS and his " Metoo# " issues, Fred Goodwin at RBS, and many others...

By setting this example, he'd pick up as many non-executive Directorships etc.. ( £35k for 7 days work a year ) as he wanted, from Companies eager to be seen to take on a man of his wisdom, ability and morality, as well as speaking engagements etc ...

I think we'll have to disagree on this one. You set the example and I'll dance off into the sunset with my bag of swag.

I hope one day you find yourself in that position to make that noble decision. Unless you're one of my mates, in which case take the ******* money and give it to me.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:39 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:The problem here is with the club therefore. Not necessarily the payment. But how the clubs handled it and how it also spends its money.

That said they spend money and it should be on players.

On players should be on facilities.

They can never win.

Personally, and I may be in a minority I am not THAT bothered about the facilities. I am only there 90 minites a fortnight. Tbh the grottier the better in some respects. Holding on to what we have left of how football was

Having said that its absolutely right we prioritise disabled facilities.

The concourse to the CFE is a disgrace... I haven't seen one worse anywhere.correction Fulham

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:51 am

tim_noone wrote:The concourse to the CFE is a disgrace... I haven't seen one worse.anywhere

Watford.

Or man city 2001

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:52 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:What should happen is that a chant of sorts should be created by someone regards Scudamore and chanted for 90 mins around all Premiership games. This way all viewers world wide will get to see the contempt which clubs hold their fans in. There is no way that the tv stations could silence the masses on tv coverage.

Chanting won't do anything. The only thing that could damage the Premier League's global brand is empty stadiums, and let's face it, that's not going to happen over something like this.

BFC know what side their bread's buttered. They know what their main source of revenue is, and it's not Mick from Padiham who has a season ticket and buys a Bovril every home game.

It's a real shame, but that's the sad reality of it.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:04 am

NL Claret wrote:Have a look on Twitter, far worse than on here. Direct debit getting cancelled, season ticket not getting renewed and never buying a twix at turf Moor ever again.

As poor as this payment is, someone of the replies on twitter to the club are highly amusing. From that is it I am not renewing my season ticket to one whopper claiming the concourses are death traps the whoppers never let you down on there.

Rodleydave · Post by **Rodleydave** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:06 am

Just to check... the deal was set up by the PL remuneration committee and as of June this year Mike Garlick was on that committee.
For the record I emailed both him and Barry Kilby to let them know of the widespread reaction to this payment, and that the club share of 250k might have been better spent on providing hot water in the concourse washrooms and toilets.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:29 am

Correct, Garlick was on the board that decided this.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:44 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:As poor as this payment is, someone of the replies on twitter to the club are highly amusing. From that is it I am not renewing my season ticket to one whopper claiming the concourses are death traps the whoppers never let you down on there.

To be fair he has a point! The CFS at Half Time is horrific!

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:55 am

Rodleydave wrote:Just to check... the deal was set up by the PL remuneration committee and as of June this year Mike Garlick was on that committee.
For the record I emailed both him and Barry Kilby to let them know of the widespread reaction to this payment, and that the club share of 250k might have been better spent on providing hot water in the concourse washrooms and toilets.

I don't understand this fully, perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.

Was there actually an option for little Burnley to say no?

The clubs who allegedly voted no, do they have to pay up?

I do think the sharing of the PL statement and coming out in support was poor, better off saying nothing. As mentioned above or on another thread, for quite some time football hasn't given a toss about the fans. What are we at Burnley? 10% of the income?

What will be the cost of the widespread reaction? A few offensive tweets and Mick from Padiham won't buy his half time bovril? I can't understand anyone who buys anything in ground anyway. Well over 12 months ago I bought a lager for £4.50, even the young girl said it was expensive when I challenged her. I should have said put the top back on love. Not spent a penny since.

It is what is. We are what we are as fans. If it angers people that much, there are options. Turn your back, cancel season ticket and cancel all tv subscriptions and if you miss football that much go and volunteer at a local non league club.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:16 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:As poor as this payment is, someone of the replies on twitter to the club are highly amusing. From that is it I am not renewing my season ticket to one whopper claiming the concourses are death traps the whoppers never let you down on there.

People have the right to cancel season tickets and I don’t think it is empty threats this time - there had been a growing feeling of disengagement between club and fans building and this has pushed it over the edge for some fans. I have been going to games since so was 3 years old - I have had a season ticket for many many years and also take my nephew on. I spoke to mates and my nephew yesterday about doing a tour of Nelson/Colne/Padiham and some other local teams next season for our football fix instead of renewing season tickets and all were in agreement.

You ever tried getting through the CFS concourse at half time or out of the stand quickly at the end of a match - takes ages of ducking and weaving. I’d dread to think of it on an emergency and needing to get out ASAP.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:18 am

As much as you have to admire what Scudamore has done in his 19 years for English Football, I don't understand why the Premier League set an equal split of this 5 million bonus which has to be shared equally?

To show their appreciation, clubs like Manchester City, United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea might've have given him parting gifts that amounted to over £5m alone anyway.

Part of me is wondering if about holding a mirror up to the smaller clubs as a reason why with bigger clubs should get a bigger slice of the TV revenue. So if Manchester City have to give back a small portion of the TV Deal back, so do the likes of Burnley, Huddersfield and Cardiff. Fairs fair...

It stinks though.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:23 am

bfccrazy wrote:People have the right to cancel season tickets and I don’t think it is empty threats this time - there had been a growing feeling of disengagement between club and fans building and this has pushed it over the edge for some fans. I have been going to games since so was 3 years old - I have had a season ticket for many many years and also take my nephew on. I spoke to mates and my nephew yesterday about doing a tour of Nelson/Colne/Padiham and some other local teams next season for our football fix instead of renewing season tickets and all were in agreement.

You ever tried getting through the CFS concourse at half time or out of the stand quickly at the end of a match - takes ages of ducking and weaving. I’d dread to think of it on an emergency and needing to get out ASAP.

When in that stand I tend go down on 45 minutes in the first half and get a drink can be a little slow but never felt like I am going to die. Yes it is slow getting out but it was a small price to pay when there was a good atmosphere in there when it first opened up to home fans.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:41 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:When in that stand I tend go down on 45 minutes in the first half and get a drink can be a little slow but never felt like I am going to die. Yes it is slow getting out but it was a small price to pay when there was a good atmosphere in there when it first opened up to home fans.

Now imagine trying to get out of there in an emergency.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:42 am

I'll ask the question again, is it a bonus or gardening leave / hush hush agreement?

As for clubs not giving a toss about fans, take United for example. Fans are threatened to have their season ticket taken off them for not getting cup tickets and my mate received an email informing him that it had come to their attention he was entering the ground 5 minutes before kick off. This is a safety hazard and he needs to get there earlier and refreshments are available in the ground.

Say I cancel my season ticket and it is taken up by someone else as the demand is still there, what is the impact on the club? 20 minutes of administration.

Look at the prices charged by the London clubs, they know if someone says nah its too much there will someone else who thinks great I can get a seat now.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:48 am

It’s funny people talk of boycotting because of this payment but not when our players being paid £10s of thousands a week who can’t pass 5 yds

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:52 am

bfccrazy wrote:Now imagine trying to get out of there in an emergency.

Imagine getting out the top tier in an emergency if below you can't be accessed. There is always things to improve, but if you feel it is unsafe perhaps be wiser to go in another stand.
It is fairly obvious nothing will be done to that stand until "safe" standing is allowed so that is how it is. I bet when you were going in there when it first opened and there was an atmosphere from that end you never stood there thinking what if there is an emergency.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:29 am

bfccrazy wrote:You ever tried getting through the CFS concourse at half time or out of the stand quickly at the end of a match - takes ages of ducking and weaving. I’d dread to think of it on an emergency and needing to get out ASAP.

In an emergency you would go down to the front of the stand and onto the pitch.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:05 pm

I can see the “spin” at the end of the year when ST sales are down that it can be blamed on this and not the team. Good thinking from Garlick.

As for the payment, I ain’t no Socialist but at times like this when a large proportion of the adult population have less than £5k to their names it is ridiculous to be handing over this amount of money to one man. Martin Lewis the money saving expert said if you are fortunate to have made a substantial amount of money in life the most important thing is that you should give something back. Scudamore who probably has more money than he could ever spend should publicly give a large donation to charity with this sum.
As for the fans the CF in the next Sky game should sing F**k Scudamore and get the Newcastle fans to join in.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:26 pm

Dy1geo wrote:IMartin Lewis the money saving expert said if you are fortunate to have made a substantial amount of money in life the most important thing is that you should give something back.

Why?