How can an average person benefit from Brexit

[SmudgetheClaret]

It's on a plate for all of us if the anti democratic remainiacs will play ball..
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[dsr]

What a bizarre argument! One can only assume dsr is infallible in whatever profession he has.

It's kind of you to say so, but I don't see why you should think that.

[dsr]

Anyone who thinks that Scotlands (which has some devolved powers, but no control over everything that really matters in what constitutes the definition of an independent country) place in the UK is the same or even similar to the UKs in the EU is howling at the moon.

Basically, if you believe that, then believing stuff on the side of a big red bus is chicken feed.

And dsr, you no longer argue about the economic benefits of Brexit on here. You used to.

Reality has forced you to change the message.

Thats why the Brexit message is floundering, because reality isn't as great as was promised

It's an easy mistake to make. Especially if you don't read my post.

What I said was that Scotland's independence referendum was similar to the UK's Brexit referendum. That's not the same as saying that Scotland is in the same position as the UK. (No more, incidentally, is it saying that the UK would react to Scotland in the way that the EU reacted to the UK.) I can't honestly believe you would have thought I meant that if you had actually read the post.

But for clarification, are you genuinely saying that Scotland's referendum to demand political and financial independence from a larger union of nations, has no similarities to the UK's referendum to demand political and financial independence from a larger union of nations?

[RingoMcCartney]

Wrongo’s quotes are from the match thread, so it’s unlikely Claret-on-a-T-Rex was on the match. Wrongo was on the match thread as well so it’s unlikely he was on the match either. Wrongo has got all snowflakey because someone left the match thread at 0-2.

It's clearly difficult for you to comprehend, but it's entirely possible to be on the Turf and occasionally check what people are saying on this message board !

But, throwing in the towel after 20 minutes in such a precious way as Claret-On-A-Period did, and a clear inability to accept defeat, as his ability to accept his side lost the referendum result. Said all you need to know about the mind set of Remainers.

"# 96

Claret-On-A-T-Rex

Re: MIGHTY CLARETS v Newcastle GeordiesHome

PostMon Nov 26, 2018 8:54 pm

Night all, got better things to do than watch this crap."

Whether it's going 2 down after 20 minutes, or referendum results. Remoaners can't resist the toys out of the cot tantrum!

[martin_p]

It's clearly difficult for you to comprehend, but it's entirely possible to be on the Turf and occasionally check what people are saying on this message board !

So did you go to the match then?

[RingoMcCartney]

So did you go to the match then?

Yes, despite not getting back home till going up for 11.

What has that got to do with one of your fellow remoaners embarrassing himself, with a gold plated hissy fit!?

You lot simply can't cope with with disappointment can they.!?

"# 96

Claret-On-A-T-Rex

Re: MIGHTY CLARETS v Newcastle GeordiesHome

PostMon Nov 26, 2018 8:54 pm

Night all, got better things to do than watch this crap."

Pathetic!!!

You lost the referendum and we ended up getting beat by the geordies and palace. I hope your all coping with it this morning!

Have a great day, but try and keep the rattle in the cot eh!?

Toodle pip.

[Lancasterclaret]

But for clarification, are you genuinely saying that Scotland's referendum to demand political and financial independence from a larger union of nations, has no similarities to the UK's referendum to demand political and financial independence from a larger union of nations?

For clarification, do you think Scotland place in the UK is remotely similar to our place in the EU? Because it isn't.

The only similarity is the economic damage it will do to itself if it votes for independence.

[martin_p]

Yes, despite not getting back home till going up for 11.

What has that got to do with one of your fellow remoaners embarrassing himself, with a gold plated hissy fit!?

You lot simply can't cope with with disappointment can they.!?

"# 96

Claret-On-A-T-Rex

Re: MIGHTY CLARETS v Newcastle GeordiesHome

PostMon Nov 26, 2018 8:54 pm

Night all, got better things to do than watch this crap."

Pathetic!!!

You lost the referendum and we ended up getting beat by the geordies and palace. I hope your all coping with it this morning!

Have a great day, but try and keep the rattle in the cot eh!?

Toodle pip.

There’s only one person having a hissy fit here!

[dsr]

For clarification, do you think Scotland place in the UK is remotely similar to our place in the EU? Because it isn't.

The only similarity is the economic damage it will do to itself if it votes for independence.

Remotely similar, obviously it is. But it's not that close a similarity, because obviously Scotland is much more closely tied in with the UK (both econmically and politically) than the UK is with the EU. Which of course would make extricating themselves far more difficult than it will be for us.

But that doesn't mean the independence referendum isn't similar. The Scottish referendum was about becoming an independent country, no longer part of a political union. The UK referendum was about becoming an independent country, no longer part of a political union. Can you still not see the similarity?

[Lancasterclaret]

Its only similar if you use your terminology.

We are an independent country. We always have been. Thinking we are not is somewhere I've never been so I can't really comment on what possesses you to think that.

[dsr]

Its only similar if you use your terminology.

We are an independent country. We always have been. Thinking we are not is somewhere I've never been so I can't really comment on what possesses you to think that.

If you don't think the EU is a political union, there's not much more I say really. The EU thinks itself to be a political union.

[Lancasterclaret]

You don't think we are an independent country, there's not much more I say really. The UK is an actual independent country.

[SmudgetheClaret]

How can an average person benefit from brexit ? easy vote leave...

[dsr]

You don't think we are an independent country, there's not much more I say really. The UK is an actual independent country.

I don't think we can agree on this. As far as I am concerned, there is a significant difference between being in political and economic union with 27 other countries, and not being in political and economic union with 27 other countries. Considering the amount you have posted about it in the last two years, I would have thought you would have agreed.

[Jakubclaret]

The average person would more than benefited if implemented as the majority decided, the problem is since the vote the people who are opposed to brexit & quite frankly lack a spinal column are making things in such a way that they will benefit (despite losing) & the majority who did actually win will suffer. With such a close call & the rich who mostly voted remain, it was fantasy land to expect the will of the people to get carried out with any sense of integrity, the poor/working class have never been a real thinking factor in this sham.

[Lancasterclaret]

You think that the UK isn't an independent country.

I have absolutely zero interest in talking to anyone who thinks like that, cos its clear any facts and evidence can be ignored if that is the position that is being taken.

[martin_p]

The average person would more than benefited if implemented as the majority decided, the problem is since the vote the people who are opposed to brexit & quite frankly lack a spinal column are making things in such a way that they will benefit (despite losing) & the majority who did actually win will suffer. With such a close call & the rich who mostly voted remain, it was fantasy land to expect the will of the people to get carried out with any sense of integrity, the poor/working class have never been a real thinking factor in this sham.

You’re right, all the major Brexiteers haven’t got two ha’pennies to rub together. Rees-Mogg, Banks, Farage, Johnson, all salt of the earth working class types.

[Lancasterclaret]

And Jakub, you making stuff up to validate your position is why those of us who oppose your point of view will never agree with you.

Making stuff up does not make a successful case for Brexit. its time to stop making stuff up and deal with the reality of the situation.

[Lancasterclaret]

Bads news for you pure Brexit fascists btw

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox today on the ECHR

"“ECHR already protected by Belfast agreement, it’s embedded in the BA and would have to be preserved for that reason”

[Lancasterclaret]

And before people go on about the use of the word "fascist"

Its for those of you who persist in asking for something that was not voted for in the referendum, not voted for in the GE of 2017 and not voted for by Parliament. Thats completely against all the ways we run this country, and would be a minority position, so I think its fair.

[dsr]

You think that the UK isn't an independent country.

I have absolutely zero interest in talking to anyone who thinks like that, cos its clear any facts and evidence can be ignored if that is the position that is being taken.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "NER-NER-NER, can't hear you" is a pretty poor sort of argument, even coming from you.

One of main reasons why Brexit got so many votes is because of attitudes like yours. In the 2015 general election, the single issue UK Independence Party got 13% of the vote, even though most of their voters knew they had no chance of electing a member. A large part of the reason was the smugness and arrogance of people like you, but people in office and with authority, who held them in such contempt that they refused even to accept they had a valid opinion.

The UKIP stood for independence of the UK from the EU, and just because your definition of independence is different from theirs and mine, is no reason to sneer and have the attitude of "I'm clever, you're stupid, your opinion doesn't count". At least, you can and do have that opinion if you like, but it won't win votes.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm smug and arrogant?

Run your personal brexit plan past us again! You know the one, the one with no evidence to back it up but that you claim is going to be brilliant? The one that everyone voted for?

That one?

Thats pure arrogance right there

BTW, brexiteers on here use those terms to those of us who dismantle, block by block your faith based arguments with good old reality. I'm may be very short with people who lie to me on here, but that isn't the norm, and its normally a reaction by me to people who try to argue fantasy as fact.

if that is me being smug and arrogant because you don't like your arguments being questioned, then yeah, guilty as charged!

[Lancasterclaret]

So you still think that the UK isn't an independent country?

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy

[dsr]

So you still think that the UK isn't an independent country?

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy

Cambridge online dictionary: "Independence (politics): freedom to make laws or decisions without being governed or controlled by another country, organization, etc.".

[martin_p]

Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "NER-NER-NER, can't hear you" is a pretty poor sort of argument, even coming from you.

One of main reasons why Brexit got so many votes is because of attitudes like yours. In the 2015 general election, the single issue UK Independence Party got 13% of the vote, even though most of their voters knew they had no chance of electing a member. A large part of the reason was the smugness and arrogance of people like you, but people in office and with authority, who held them in such contempt that they refused even to accept they had a valid opinion.

The UKIP stood for independence of the UK from the EU, and just because your definition of independence is different from theirs and mine, is no reason to sneer and have the attitude of "I'm clever, you're stupid, your opinion doesn't count". At least, you can and do have that opinion if you like, but it won't win votes.

So why don’t you explain why the U.K. isn’t an independent country.

[dsr]

So why don’t you explain why the U.K. isn’t an independent country.

See post 174.

[martin_p]

Cambridge online dictionary: "Independence (politics): freedom to make laws or decisions without being governed or controlled by another country, organization, etc.".

So presumably if we left the EU and had to move to WTO rules we still wouldn’t be independent?

[Lancasterclaret]

You keep on going dsr.

If you genuinely don't think the UK is an independent country, then fact based stuff isn't your thing.

[Lancasterclaret]

So presumably if we left the EU and had to move to WTO rules we still wouldn’t be independent?

Using dsr reasoning, being in NATO invalidates our independence.

[dsr]

You keep on going dsr.

If you genuinely don't think the UK is an independent country, then fact based stuff isn't your thing.

Define "independence", please.