British paratroopers using Corbyn pic as target practice

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:44 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:If sh!t and fan ever do meet, people like you will be begging "bubble brains" and "Morons" like that to protect you.

Doesn't take long to flush them out does it?

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:12 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:I couldn't care less about the armed forces. I do object to the American style bullshitting of the so-called heroism of Our Boys and Girls and their proud families.
They are doing a job.They knew what they signed up for just like nurses, the police and teachers, for example, and are no different to them.
None of these professions should show a political bias one way or another.
Each to their own, indeed.

Teachers shouldn't show a political bias? Really?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:20 pm

Love the idea of ClaretMuffit tossing himself off to images of heroic squaddies saving us all, against the odds, from well, whom, exactly ?
Bless the lad. What a lovely simple, safe world to live in with President Tommy leading it with his wisdom, his sincerity, his foreigner-free vision of the future and, of course, his donations.
Carry on reading your comics, son.
Meanwhile, in the real world.............

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:27 pm

[quote="Guich"]Teachers shouldn't show a political bias? Really?

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Do you think they should ? I don't. And if they do, they are as bad as these pricks purporting to be our guardians.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:44 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:We like a bit of BlueLab.

His message is a good one, but his delivery is awful.

Underrated poster.

Hes like the political AblueClaret

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:03 am

JarrowClaret wrote:I was replying to comment 111 not the other and as you say everyone to there own.

Edit It is clear what you are referring too whether you meant it like that or not it could be an overreaction on my part but the inference is there for all to see. Anyway as I said don’t want to distract from the thread so will leave it there.

Wouldn't worry too much about eddies view, he spends his time on here defending all things wrong then goes labouring on the building sight accidentally reading the Sun and chuckling at racist jokes he is hardly a paragon of virtue. But at least the internet gives him a place to call serving people cowards. No irony there at all.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:13 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yes, but its 2019, not 1767.

Unless I'm misreading a lot here, there is no danger of the Queen and the Government ever falling out so its not that much of a stretch to say that if JC becomes PM, then they will work for him.

They still won't because as I've written in another post current convention is that any military action requires a majority in the House of Commons, so they'd be 'working' for the House under your logic.

There is only one person who is able to instruct the Armed Forces at will, that is the Queen - the fact it doesn't happen anymore doesn't magically give someone else that right.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:19 am

I'll repeat, read my posts again.
At no time have I called serving people cowards. You might think they are, I don't agree. The justice system will decide upon the bravery or otherwise of the paras involved in Bloody Sunday.
Please list all the wrong things I defend bearing in mind that just because you have a different opinion to me does not make you correct.
I still do some building site labouring - enjoy it too - but I suppose that's an activity far beneath you as well as probably not being suitable for you in terms of physical strength or fitness.
I never read the Sun and don't chuckle at racist jokes and FWIW the blokes I work with at a new site in Alfreton are much more tolerant and open - minded than most punters on here, including apparent right wing slabheads such as you and Claretmuff.
Other than that, coast, you're doing a grand job. No irony there at all.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:22 am

deanothedino wrote:They still won't because as I've written in another post current convention is that any military action requires a majority in the House of Commons, so they'd be 'working' for the House under your logic.

There is only one person who is able to instruct the Armed Forces at will, that is the Queen - the fact it doesn't happen anymore doesn't magically give someone else that right.

Think we are arguing over the minute of this, rather than the practical realities.

You are not wrong at all, both in the HM being the head of the armed forces, and the H of P controlling military action (and I'm perfectly happy with both of those as its stops us doing daft stuff)

But the point I was making is the armed forces will work for the UK Government and the Queen, who are always aligned. If the head of the UK Govt is Mr Corbyn, then they work for him (in the same way they work for the Ministry of Defence as the civilian institution that runs them)

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:31 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:But the point I was making is the armed forces will work for the UK Government and the Queen, who are always aligned. If the head of the UK Govt is Mr Corbyn, then they work for him (in the same way they work for the Ministry of Defence as the civilian institution that runs them)

Maybe if you assume the HoC will align with Corbyn... Can't see that happening, in which case they won't be working for him at all.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:34 am

deanothedino wrote:Maybe if you assume the HoC will align with Corbyn... Can't see that happening, in which case they won't be working for him at all.

They will if he has a big majority though.

Granted, at the moment no one can do anything, which is far from ideal, but at least it stops us invading places!

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:27 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:They will if he has a big majority though.

Granted, at the moment no one can do anything, which is far from ideal, but at least it stops us invading places!

Even with a big majority. You really think all of his MPs will be behind him?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:37 am

deanothedino wrote:Even with a big majority. You really think all of his MPs will be behind him?

Probably not all, but enough

Mute point anyway, one thing you can guarantee with Corbyn is that we won't be fighting anyone*

*even if it means breaching Article 5 of NATO, which is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of him

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:43 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Probably not all, but enough

Can't see him getting a big enough majority to be able to afford any not agreeing with him.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:46 am

deanothedino wrote:Can't see him getting a big enough majority to be able to afford any not agreeing with him.

Guess we will see.

Who knows these days?

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:11 pm

Corbyn seen up and about today so his injuries from his recent paintball attack not as severe as first thought.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:06 pm

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:24 pm

Can you imagine the outrage it would cause among those defending this if instead of Paratroopers it was Labour MPs, and they pinned Farage's fishface to a dartboard?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Can you imagine the outrage it would cause among those defending this if instead of Paratroopers it was Labour MPs, and they pinned Farage's fishface to a dartboard?

Or if it was discovered that any government employee, ever, had pinned Margaret Thatcher's face to a dartboard?

Loads of people have been used as target practice. The stupidity isn't using Corbyn's picture, it's making it a political statement by putting on the internet, and especially doing it while in uniform.

If Labour MPs did it, they would look stupid and childish in a profession where stupidity and childishness is a very bad thing. In the paras, they don't need brains and maturity for the business end of their job.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:10 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Can you imagine the outrage it would cause among those defending this if instead of Paratroopers it was Labour MPs, and they pinned Farage's fishface to a dartboard?

There would be none.

Zero.

In fact I bet the storm on twitter would last days with blue tick wankers all gleefully retweeting each other enjoying a nice big circle jerk about how its "fighting back against nazis". HuffPo, Guardian and co would be writing positive piece after positive piece.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:11 pm

otto1959 · Post by **otto1959** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Can you imagine the outrage it would cause among those defending this if instead of Paratroopers it was Labour MPs, and they pinned Farage's fishface to a dartboard?

As a former member of the the military for 25 years. ( and shot at pictures of Blair and Thatcher on the ranges) i can you it would bother nobody. You are really a sad case.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:05 pm

otto1959 wrote:As a former member of the the military for 25 years. ( and shot at pictures of Blair and Thatcher on the ranges) i can you it would bother nobody. You are really a sad case.

I might be wrong, but wouldn't that be before the days of social media?
Loads of stuff we used to do in the past goes viral in seconds nowadays, and that's where the difficulty arises now.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:11 pm

This thread seems really funny when you read the threads about throwing milkshakes at people. Or rotten Eggs like Charlie.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:17 pm

Damo wrote:This thread seems really funny when you read the threads about throwing milkshakes at people. Or rotten Eggs like Charlie.

Imagine continuing to take a joke seriously after it was pointed out to you that it was a joke. I only support the throwing of fresh food at politicians. Not rotten food, or bullets.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:22 pm

Also, the military is supposed to be apolitical. The far-right might not understand that, but military personnel shooting at pictures of politicians isn't exactly the best way to project the military's lack of political bias. They're public servants and they shouldn't be using their status as such to project political opinions.

Also, killing people for political reasons, even if only a fantasy, isn't nice. Which is why when Game of Thrones has a dummy of George Bush's severed head on a stick in their show everyone went apeshit, and they apologised.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Also, the military is supposed to be apolitical. The far-right might not understand that, but military personnel shooting at pictures of politicians isn't exactly the best way to project the military's lack of political bias. They're public servants and they shouldn't be using their status as such to project political opinions.

Also, killing people for political reasons, even if only a fantasy, isn't nice. Which is why when Game of Thrones has a dummy of George Bush's severed head on a stick in their show everyone went apeshit, and they apologised.

We used to put page three on the dart board... but we didn’t want to kill the model.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:37 pm

elwaclaret wrote:We used to put page three on the dart board... but we didn’t want to kill the model.

Was it a political statement in support or opposition of a political party?

It amazes me that the people who cry like babies when the BBC write negatively about one political figure can't see the problem with the army fantasising about murdering politicians. But then again this is the same demographic of people who seem to think that soldier should be allowed to get away with war crimes, so maybe i shouldn't be so surprised.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:41 pm

Or we could just (rightly) assume you are not a liberal. Just a massive, bickering hypocrite

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:44 pm

Damo wrote:Or we could just (rightly) assume you are not a liberal. Just a massive, bickering hypocrite

Then you'd be wrong.

You keep calling me a hypocrite yet never back it up with examples of hypocrisy. Just thinks that a stupid person would think is hypocrisy. And i have no problem explaining my opinions if you ever think there's a conflict between them, but you never seem to ask.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:47 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Was it a political statement in support or opposition of a political party?

It amazes me that the people who cry like babies when the BBC write negatively about one political figure can't see the problem with the army fantasising about murdering politicians. But then again this is the same demographic of people who seem to think that soldier should be allowed to get away with war crimes, so maybe i shouldn't be so surprised.

So a couple of kids in British service is now the British army? Get a grip

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Then you'd be wrong.

You keep calling me a hypocrite yet never back it up with examples of hypocrisy. Just thinks that a stupid person would think is hypocrisy. And i have no problem explaining my opinions if you ever think there's a conflict between them, but you never seem to ask.

Why would I ask? I dont need to prove you wrong when there is evidence on 90% (that's just a rough estimate before anyone starts) of the threads you post in

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:56 pm

elwaclaret wrote:So a couple of kids in British service is now the British army? Get a grip

Yes. They go through a lot of training and are professionals. If their old enough to shoot people in the face in defence of the corporations that own this country then they're old enough to know that they shouldn't use their job to express political views.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:59 pm

Damo wrote:Why would I ask? I dont need to prove you wrong when there is evidence on 90% (that's just a rough estimate before anyone starts) of the threads you post in

I'm not talking about proving me wrong, i'm talking about supporting your accusations. Can you not read? Are you having cognitive issues?

If you make a claim you should be able to back it up with facts. You seem to have a problem with that. Not just on your accusations, and it's not just you. I'd estimate that in excess of 90% of the times I ask people to back up their claims and accusations on here they don't seem to bother even trying - including you.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes. They go through a lot of training and are professionals. If their old enough to shoot people in the face in defence of the corporations that own this country then they're old enough to know that they shouldn't use their job to express political views.

What like teachers you mean?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:03 pm

elwaclaret wrote:What like teachers you mean?

Yes. Teachers shouldn't use their jobs to express political views either.

Damo will be along any second now to tell everyone that this perfectly consistent opinion is somehow hypocritical. He won't explain why.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes. Teachers shouldn't use their jobs to express political views either.

Damo will be along any second now to tell everyone that this perfectly consistent opinion is somehow hypocritical. He won't explain why.

Haha good luck with that one. Of my experience... two paid up members of the Communist party, another arrested for having an IRA weapons store in his garden in Accrington, off the top of my head.

Now I’m back in education I can assure you little has changed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:10 pm

elwaclaret wrote:Haha good luck with that one. Of my experience... two paid up members of the Communist party, another for having an IRA weapons store in his garden in Accrington, off the top of my head.

Now I’m back in education I can assure you little has changed.

What the **** are you on about?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What the **** are you on about?

You telling teachers they can’t be political. Sorry wasn’t very clear, but just pointing out it has always been thus, politics is part of them.

There are far more pressing issues than a couple of kids being nobs, or acting their age and not thinking of consequences.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:15 pm

elwaclaret wrote:You telling teachers they can’t be political

Oh dear!!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:17 pm

elwaclaret wrote:You telling teachers they can’t be political

So you haven't understood what I actually said. OK.

Or maybe you did, but you chose to misinterpret it.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:23 pm

They shouldn’t express their opinions in the lecture room...

Lecture rooms are the one place NO opinion should be repressed. If you cannot discuss issues how do you debate them for greater understanding?

Lecture rooms are not places the teacher stands at the board and points at the blackboard any more

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:26 pm

Anyway I see the attention seeking hilarious cretin has arrived so I’m out of here.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:29 pm

elwaclaret wrote:They shouldn’t express their opinions in the lecture room...

Lecture rooms are the one place NO opinion should be repressed. If you cannot discuss issues how do you debate them for greater understanding?

Lecture rooms are not places the teacher stands at the board and points at the blackboard any more

There's a difference between using your position as a teacher to promote your political views, and using your political views to promote the teaching of your students.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm not talking about proving me wrong, i'm talking about supporting your accusations. Can you not read? Are you having cognitive issues?

If you make a claim you should be able to back it up with facts. You seem to have a problem with that. Not just on your accusations, and it's not just you. I'd estimate that in excess of 90% of the times I ask people to back up their claims and accusations on here they don't seem to bother even trying - including you.

Nobody can be bothered. See this is what you do (bickering) you completely divert people away from the subject, which is usually quite a boring subject, and then start arguing semantics, and asking people to go through your 20 thousand posts. Half of which will have been deleted. Nobody on here has that much appetite to prove, or support, what is already blatantly on show

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:40 pm

Damo wrote:Nobody can be bothered. See this is what you do (bickering) you completely divert people away from the subject, which is usually quite a boring subject, and then start arguing semantics, and asking people to go through your 20 thousand posts. Half of which will have been deleted. Nobody on here has that much appetite to prove, or support, what is already blatantly on show

Then don't make accusations about other people (not just forum users) you're unwilling to support. And don't make claims of fact that you're not willing to demonstrate is actually factual.

It's extremely easy not to do either of those. So why do you keep doing them?

For example, in the antisemitism thread you claimed someone was racist. I'd never heard of them so I asked you, in good faith, why you think they are racist, and you ignored my question.
Just stop making assertions you're not willing to support. Why is that so controversial?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:44 pm

elwaclaret wrote:They shouldn’t express their opinions in the lecture room...

Lecture rooms are the one place NO opinion should be repressed. If you cannot discuss issues how do you debate them for greater understanding?

Lecture rooms are not places the teacher stands at the board and points at the blackboard any more

Never have been. Certainly weren't in 1991-94 when I was there.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:There's a difference between using your position as a teacher to promote your political views, and using your political views to promote the teaching of your students.

Was
But could you not be more comfortable talking about Burnley than say Man U? Your bias will out whether you want it too or not... it’s why we are taught not to conclusion jump and ask awkward questions. It is why debates on here were people entrench themselves are so frustrating.

You have a point, I want to understand it. So I to dig your reasoning out. I try not to be condescending or say I’m right your are wrong, I have no reason to doubt your beliefs.

In fact despite rarely agreeing with you politics I enjoy debating with you as you rarely resort to childish responses and like I say the day I think I’m beyond rational debate or changing my position is the day I become a hermit.

I’ve been around the forces enough to know a lot are not the brightest buttons, there will have been little of any thought to the Corbyn picture, of that I’m fairly certain... they are not known for deep thought.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:49 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Never have been. Certainly weren't in 1991-94 when I was there.

Nor me Lancs, but they were proper radicals back then

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:49 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Then don't make accusations about other people (not just forum users) you're unwilling to support. And don't make claims of fact that you're not willing to demonstrate is actually factual.

It's extremely easy not to do either of those. So why do you keep doing them?

For example, in the antisemitism thread you claimed someone was racist. I'd never heard of them so I asked you, in good faith, why you think they are racist, and you ignored my question.
Just stop making assertions you're not willing to support. Why is that so controversial?

I'm sure I explained that I was supporting your stance on freedom of speech by ignoring your accounts, set up to circumnavigate your expulsion.
Thought I was quite clear about that