European Election Results .. due from 10 p.m. Sunday night...,

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:45 pm

Alistair Campbell- heartbroken. Absolutely heartbroken!

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:46 pm

Not looking good for Tommeh...

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:47 pm

A party that did not exist 6 weeks ago winning a national election.

The BBC trying to brush it under the carpet.

The carpet is looking increasingly inadequate!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:49 pm

UKIP’s leader loses his seat.

Oops.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:49 pm

Watching the BBC.

Please go back to the studio and let's all laugh at Hysterical Alistair!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:50 pm

we all need to be fearful of BBC, thesedays it stinks. bias doesn't begin to describe it.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:51 pm

tim_noone wrote:Emily thornberry would turn milk sour and good Ale flat!!!

It gets worse...her step mother Anne widdecombes just made an appearance.no corn flakes for me in the Morning.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:55 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Watching the BBC.

Please go back to the studio and let's all laugh at Hysterical Alistair!

Ringo, without sounding rude, you don't always come across as someone who plays with a full deck!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:56 pm

The remainers trying to claim victory are like the football fans who claim they should win because their team had more possession.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:58 pm

Spijed wrote:Ringo, without sounding rude, you don't always come across as someone who plays with a full deck!

Maybe I don't.

Call me old fashioned, but I just believe that the result of democracy should be implemented.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:58 pm

Who’s Little Tommy going to blame?

Media 4/7
Muslims 1/5
Pencils in voting booths 4/5

All of the above?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun May 26, 2019 11:59 pm

Spijed wrote:Ringo, without sounding rude, you don't always come across as someone who plays with a full deck!

It’s called projecting your flaws.

He won’t get it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:01 am

Once again the BBC having 2 Remoaner guests as opposed to the 1 Brexiteer!

If Carlsberg did bias...
.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:02 am

Looks like I was too generous to the "big two" earlier:
Definitely leave 35%
Definitely stay 40%
F*** knows what you're voting for 25%

Turnout almost exactly half of what the referendum drew.

Still, clearly, no obvious outcome or guidance as to what we want. Because we want different things.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:04 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Who’s Little Tommy going to blame?

Media 4/7
Muslims 1/5
Pencils in voting booths 4/5

All of the above?

Surely he’ll want to launch an enquiry? Those voting figures can’t be right!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:05 am

"The Brexit Party, a party that didn't exist 6 weeks ago has romped home. How you explain that!?"

Huw missed a little bit off. Should have added.:

The Brexit Party, a party that didn't exist 6 weeks ago has romped home. How you explain that. You democracy denying twit!?"

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:06 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Once again the BBC having 2 Remoaner guests as opposed to the 1 Brexiteer!

If Carlsberg did bias...
.

Well, one pro Brexit, one pro Remain and one who voted remain but now says we should leave. I’m not sure how a panel of three could be more fairly split.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:08 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:The remainers trying to claim victory are like the football fans who claim they should win because their team had more possession.

Okay, I'll bite

People who know what they are talking about and reckoning this up as 55% remain/45% leave.

Its obviously still a bit early, but there isn't an overwhelming mandate here, which was what I suspect everyone was hoping for one way or the other.

Lab and Cons doing so badly though suggests both are going to have to seriously rethink, and both don't want an election anytime soon.

Maybe they will agree a joint Brexit deal?

Who knows?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:08 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:WALES RESULT / CANLYNIAD CYMRU
Brexit Party: 271,404
ChangeUK: 24,332
Conservative: 54,587
Green: 52,660
Labour: 127,833
Lib Dems: 113,885
Plaid Cymru: 163,928
UKIP: 27,566

Remain parties - 354805
Leave Parties - 298970
Con/Lab - 182,000

Both Con/Lab stood at the last General Election as accepting the Brexit vote, so 490k against 354k in Wales in favour of leaving ...

barba · Post by **barba** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:08 am

Burnley

Brexit Party 40.3%
Labour 26.3%
Lib Dem 10.0%
Green 8.4%
Con 4.8%
UKIP 2.5%

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:11 am

martin_p wrote:Well, one pro Brexit, one pro Remain and one who voted remain but now says we should leave. I’m not sure how a panel of three could be more fairly split.

This is you agreeing to the first part of what I said.

Which was-

"2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Like the old Real Labour MPs always said, "the EU is a bankers club."

Bailing out British Steel does not comply with EU law. In other words, as I said, "the EU says - " No can do"

I'm now quoting directly from the actual letter sent to the government from its legal advisors.

"We cannot demonstrate the necessary commerciality required by State Aid Law to provide such support"

In other words , perhaps "simplistic", The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"There is no evidence that any earlier funding options involving government would have been lawful either"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"It would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

"We do not believe there is currently any level of investment government could make ( above the State Aid de minis of €200000 that could be deemed commercial and so legal"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

It was not possible to fund a traditional loan financing that would be deemed to be successfully commercial to meet the State Aid commerciality threshold"

In other words , The EU says, "No can do , UK"

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It proves my "simplistic" point to be accurate and correct and concurs with what Dr Ruth Bender, Associate Professor of Corporate Financial Strategy, said when she was interviewed on Radio 5 Live Breakfast show on 31st March.

"Do EU rules prevent state aid to save British Steel?

"Unfortunately, yes."

And it proves you to be once again.

Wrong.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:12 am

Now looking impossible for Robinson to be elected.

Terrible shame, it really is.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:12 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:People who know what they are talking about and reckoning this up as 55% remain/45% leave.

Who's saying that? Putting aside the low turnout and just working on what we're getting that means splitting the Con / Lab vote 2/3rd remain to 1/3rd leave. Given those are both parties in theory committed to seeing through the referendum, that seems unlikely. In particular, I'd say nearly all Con voters are leavers - although I'd think they're at the softer end if they're still voting Con.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:13 am

Clarets4me wrote:Both Con/Lab stood at the last General Election as accepting the Brexit vote, so 490k against 354k in Wales in favour of leaving ...

Thats up there with 80% of the voters endorsed leaving in 2017, which is why both the Conservatives and Labour have been absolutely destroyed this time around. (though Cons have lost a lot to Brexit, they have lost to Lib Dems/Green as well)

No clear mandate, but backs up the opinion polls that remain is ahead of leave now.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:14 am

martin_p wrote:Well, one pro Brexit, one pro Remain and one who voted remain but now says we should leave. I’m not sure how a panel of three could be more fairly split.

Another "Bercow" moment on the horizon Marty!

Cut your losses admit you were wrong, AGAIN!!! Or , alternatively, accept the inevitable humiliation that's heading your way!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:14 am

thatdberight wrote:Who's saying that? Putting aside the low turnout and just working on what we're getting that means splitting the Con / Lab vote 2/3rd remain to 1/3rd leave. Given those are both parties in theory committed to seeing through the referendum, that seems unlikely. In particular, I'd say nearly all Con voters are leavers - although I'd think they're at the softer end if they're still voting Con.

Like I said its early, just going off some quick calculations and guesses being made on twitter.

I've already said that I don't think this changes anything, as the country is still split down the middle.

Course, that makes it even harder for anyone to sort this out.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:16 am

And there is a reason I highlighted Wales

It was a leave voting region in 2016, it isn't now.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:17 am

barba wrote:Burnley

Brexit Party 40.3%
Labour 26.3%
Lib Dem 10.0%
Green 8.4%
Con 4.8%
UKIP 2.5%

Well done Burnley

Proud to be a Brexiteer.

Proud to be a Burnleyite.

Proud to be a Democrat

Proud to be a Claret

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:20 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Another "Bercow" moment on the horizon Marty!

Cut your losses admit you were wrong, AGAIN!!! Or , alternatively, accept the inevitable humiliation that's heading your way!

Remain supporting parties ahead, a worry for you when we get to the inevitable second referendum.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:21 am

Ringo is not going to survive reality is he?

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:22 am

What happens if remain wins a second referendum? If anyone thinks that will solve all this they are sadly mistaken. We truly are one divided country.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:22 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:And there is a reason I highlighted Wales

It was a leave voting region in 2016, it isn't now.

Completely discarding the Con/Lab votes in Wales is no more a reasonable interpretation than lumping them all in to 'Leave' based on the by-now ancient history of 2016 manifestos. Your end point that it's not a leave voting region is just not supported by the data and, I think, reflects your wish. It's just impossible to say.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:22 am

Andrew Neil nails it

"So when the dust settles will the UK be sending any more clear Leave MEPs to the European Parliament than it did in 2014?"

Whats the answer Ringo?

YES

or

NO

(cheers for the idea btw!)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:24 am

thatdberight wrote:Completely discarding the Con/Lab votes in Wales is no more a reasonable interpretation than lumping them all in to 'Leave' based on the by-now ancient history of 2016 manifestos. Your end point that it's not a leave voting region is just not supported by the data and, I think, reflects your wish. It's just impossible to say.

I think if the situation was the same as it in 2016, then the Brexit party would do better, but I'm not arguing.

Just pleased that the remain vote came out in a big way to be honest.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:24 am

On a more important point, what’s going on with Farage’s hair?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:26 am

martin_p wrote:Remain supporting parties ahead, a worry for you when we get to the inevitable second referendum.

I know I've annihilated you.

And the best bit is.

You know it!

You'll never admit it in a month of Sundays! I wouldn't expect it from a mutton head. Nevertheless, you know, as I know, there's only one winner.

Me.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:26 am

I'm NOT turning on the TV just to look at Farages hair.

I'm NOT doing it.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:27 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Andrew Neil nails it

"So when the dust settles will the UK be sending any more clear Leave MEPs to the European Parliament than it did in 2014?"

Whats the answer Ringo?

YES

or

NO

(cheers for the idea btw!)

The answer's yes, isn't it? It was 24 UKIP and Brexit are already at 25?

But he's asking the wrong question. The political landscape in 2014 bears no relation to what we have now. In any case, what would his answer mean? If we had 24 Brexit MEPs and then voted to Leave in 2016, does 25+ mean we're even more committed to Brexit? The popular vote suggests not.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm NOT turning on the TV just to look at Farages hair.

I'm NOT doing it.

There’s just something over the past few weeks, I seriously can’t put my finger on it. No pun intended.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:29 am

Think the increase in Lib Dem and Green MEPs changes that doesn't it?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:30 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:I know I've annihilated you.

And the best bit is.

You know it!

You'll never admit it in a month of Sundays! I wouldn't expect it from a mutton head. Nevertheless, you know, as I know, there's only one winner.

Me.

Have fun on whatever planet it is you’re on, at least you’ve given me a laugh. Anyway, as the clock ticked past midnight it became my birthday and I’ve already wasted half an hour more than I should have done on here. Night Liz.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:30 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:There’s just something over the past few weeks, I seriously can’t put my finger on it. No pun intended.

I think he's just losing his hair.

Happens to the best of us (and clearly to the worst of us as well!)

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:31 am

Mrpotatohead wrote:What happens if remain wins a second referendum? If anyone thinks that will solve all this they are sadly mistaken. We truly are one divided country.

Chaos. The proposed second referendum usually is mooted as a choice between Leaving on May's deal, or not leaving at all. Emily Thornberry was quite specific about that - the policy of leaving no matter what, voted for by about 35% today, will not be offered.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:31 am

Just face it everyone - were never going to end up leaving the EU.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:33 am

Because 65% at least don't want it.

Whatever Farage says, "No Deal" is not anything other than a minority view.

Big one mind, but a minority view.

But we are getting to the stage where we have to accept that we won't/cannot/are Ringo agree and do something.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Think the increase in Lib Dem and Green MEPs changes that doesn't it?

The question you quoted and posed was; "... Will the UK be sending any more clear Leave MEPs to the European Parliament than it did in 2014?"

Yes. It will. It's really clear.

Obviously there were no "Revoke A50" MEPs in 2014. It rather supports that it's a pointless question which is looking at things through yesterday's viewpoint.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:33 am

OH DEAR TOMMY TOMMY!!! OH DEAR TOMMY TOMMY ROBINSON

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ringo is not going to survive reality is he?

Lancasterclaret cannot answer a straight forward question.

He can portray himself as a high minded political genius.

When it comes down to it , he's always found wanting.

The last couple of days have proved it beyond question

Read and weap Lancasterclaret.

Ringo has out foxed you each and every day for the past 3 years.

Facts , truth, legal advice and legal ONE - Lancasterclaret eff all

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:34 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Lancasterclaret cannot answer a straight forward question.

He can portray himself as a high minded political genius.

When it comes down to it , he's always found wanting.

The last couple of days have proved it beyond question

Read and weap Lancasterclaret.

Ringo has out foxed you each and every day for the past 3 years.

Facts , truth, legal advice and legal ONE - Lancasterclaret eff all

You can literally smell the psychosis from here

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 27, 2019 12:35 am

martin_p wrote:Have fun on whatever planet it is you’re on, at least you’ve given me a laugh. Anyway, as the clock ticked past midnight it became my birthday and I’ve already wasted half an hour more than I should have done on here. Night Liz.

Another year over.

Another being 2nd best to Ringo.

At least you're consistent......