Southgate Contract to be Extended

[Rowls]

if muller had put that sitter away today i doubt the chinless southgate would have so many advocates on here or anywhere.

Quite. Sometimes these things rest of a knife edge.

I think Southgate isn't just a "poor" manager. I think he's rank bad. Truly dreadful.

One of the worst managers in Premier League history in fact.

I've more than made my point though.

I'll try and savour the win against the Germans. That's something to celebrate and something we haven't done at a tournament since 2002 with Kevin Keegan in charge.

It didn't mean we were any good then and I don't think it means much else now.

But a win is a win.

[KRBFC]

if muller had put that sitter away today i doubt the chinless southgate would have so many advocates on here or anywhere.

I bet you cried when Muller missed didn't you? anything to stick the knife into the national teams back

[milkcrate_mosh]

Like I said with stats, they're only as good as your interpretation of them.

I find they're much harder to interpret if you don't bother looking them up in the first place.

[Wile E Coyote]

truth is england fans and **** media want a jack the lad like venables at the helm.
they dislike his simpering interviews and his mild mannered decent bloke approach.
the trashy end of press and radio/tv are praying for him to fall on his backside every time he has a game.
look at ian wright, slags southgate off after scotland, then praises him to the high heavens tonight.
The masses just want to get in on the act and repeat whatever fashionable view is most prominent.
however overblown the post match germany love in got, the usual suspects are already sharpening their knives for the second southgate fails, and they will enjoy watching his demise.

[KRBFC]

I find they're much harder to interpret if you don't bother looking them up in the first place.

As they say, there's only one stat that matters!

[Rowls]

I'm suggesting you let it go about his job 15 years ago at Middlesbrough and maybe judge him on the work he's done in the previous 5 years while manager of England where the results have been great regardless of style of play.

I've already answered that - it's not the style I object to. It's the quality of organisation I see on the pitch.

As for the rest of your post, you say England lack organisation at the back and gift the opposition chances, England have won 8 of their previous 9 fixtures and conceded only 1 goal.

I think we have much better squads than all of the teams we've played. Considerably so in most cases.

The creating chances and goals part is whatever, winning 1-0 or 5-0, is the same thing really.

1-0 is the same result as 5-0. But five goals are better than one goal.

I don't even know why I'm responding, you are clearly so negative towards England and Southgate, nothing will change your mind, keep hating.

"keep hating"

What a silly thing to say.

I want England to win. I think we'd have a better chance of winning with a better manager. I'd love it if Southgate could change my mind about his ability but he'll need to start putting out sides who can create a lot more chances and against good sides. And we'll need to tighten up our ideas at the back too. Clean sheets are great but clean sheets where we play well at the back would be better.

I don't think that's going to happen. I think the first good side we come up against could stuff us.

But maybe it'll be one of the mediocre ones.

[Rowls]

I find they're much harder to interpret if you don't bother looking them up in the first place.

"don't bother"

I can't well read all of the internet can I??

I looked up plenty of stats and posted them.

[Rowls]

truth is england fans and **** media want a jack the lad like venables at the helm.
they dislike his simpering interviews and his mild mannered decent bloke approach.
the trashy end of press and radio/tv are praying for him to fall on his backside every time he has a game.
look at ian wright, slags southgate off after scotland, then praises him to the high heavens tonight.
The masses just want to get in on the act and repeat whatever fashionable view is most prominent.
however overblown the post match germany love in got, the usual suspects are already sharpening their knives for the second southgate fails, and they will enjoy watching his demise.

Again, it's nothing of the sort.

I just want a good manager.

Maybe International football is different?

Maybe Southgate is a genius?

I've genuinely always thought that the best chance would be had if we employed the best possible manager.

But we failed spectacularly with Capello and Hodgson who had good records.

Maybe the odds are so short, the games so few and far between it doesn't matter and Southgate's as good as anyone else?

Who knows?

I just know we don't look anywhere near organized to me. We look reckless. We give the ball away in dangerous places. We do not create chances.

When Southgate comes back to club management I just pray it isn't with us.

[KRBFC]

I've already answered that - it's not the style I object to. It's the quality of organisation I see on the pitch.



I think we have much better squads than all of the teams we've played. Considerably so in most cases.



1-0 is the same result as 5-0. But five goals are better than one goal.



"keep hating"

What a silly thing to say.

I want England to win. I think we'd have a better chance of winning with a better manager. I'd love it if Southgate could change my mind about his ability but he'll need to start putting out sides who can create a lot more chances and against good sides. And we'll need to tighten up our ideas at the back too. Clean sheets are great but clean sheets where we play well at the back would be better.

I don't think that's going to happen. I think the first good side we come up against could stuff us.

But maybe it'll be one of the mediocre ones.

Tighten up our ideas at the back? lack of organisation on the pitch?

Are you forgetting we haven't conceded a goal all tournament and have conceded 1 in our previous 9 games? you're literally trolling.

The first good side we come up against could stuff us? The Germans are one of the best national sides in the world, full of world class players. The Czechs are into the quarter finals, Croatia ran Spain all the way and previous WC finalists. These are good sides we made look ordinary.

[milkcrate_mosh]

"don't bother"

I can't well read all of the internet can I??

I looked up plenty of stats and posted them.

You specifically cited it as a key stat in which england were underperforming. I'll admit I'm mainly winding you up but you must admit it's a bit funny you so confidently asserted it without checking, particularly while waxing lyrical about the nuances of interpreting said stats. Still at least you know now.

We do not create chances.

Ah, well nevermind.

[yTib]

mosh do you rate southgate as a good manager?

[Rowls]

Tighten up our ideas at the back? lack of organisation on the pitch?

Are you forgetting we haven't conceded a goal all tournament and have conceded 1 in our previous 9 games? you're literally trolling.

The first good side we come up against could stuff us? The Germans are one of the best national sides in the world, full of world class players. The Czechs are into the quarter finals, Croatia ran Spain all the way and previous WC finalists. These are good sides we made look ordinary.

We're NOT "making them look ordinary.

We made Scotland look as good as us and we know they only have a couple of decent players. If Scotland had anyone who could finish they'd have beaten us by a goal or two. And all it took was running around more than us.

Today, we've secured a good win. But we all know Germany should have scored at 1-0 and Pickford has kept us in it (like he did against Scotland) with a great save.

We've ridden our luck.

Who knows? Maybe it'll turn into confidence and we'll go all the way. Or maybe it'll run out and we'll get embarrassed.

[milkcrate_mosh]

Reckon he's alright. As I said earlier we've won half the knockout victories in my lifespan with him so maybe my expectations of england are somewhat different.

Don't think he'd get a job at a big prem club but that calibre of manager rarely take international jobs (barring Mancini at the euros really). Compared to the alternatives (Allardyce, Howe etc.) Happy for him to stay on. I particularly like how much the players seem to enjoy the setup compared to recent years. Episodes like John Terry calling for Joe Cole to start mid-world cup would be unthinkable now.

Think a lot of the stuff written about him and england is completely OTT, he's certainly got us getting results that exceed what we've been achieving in decades, even if it's a dull watch at times.

[Rowls]

You specifically cited it as a key stat in which england were underperforming. I'll admit I'm mainly winding you up but you must admit it's a bit funny you so confidently asserted it without checking, particularly while waxing lyrical about the nuances of interpreting said stats. Still at least you know now.



Ah, well nevermind.

The stats you've found are subjective. They talk about "big chances". But what are "big chances" and what are "little chances"??

I forgot to say chances from open goal too and that's an important distinction. Southgate has been particularly good at set pieces. I'll have to take my hat off to him there. Not so much this tournament but he's been very good at set pieces.

We haven't relied on them as much as last tournament but I suspect many of these "big chances" are coming from set pieces and I should have continued that distinction but didn't.

But like I've said: stats are only as good as your interpretation which means I'm not relying on them in the way you're implying. I'm saying I think they support my opinion. You sound like you think I've said the opposite.

[yTib]

well mosh your answer to my question is about as inspiring as the man himself.

perhaps you just like bickering.

[KRBFC]

We're NOT "making them look ordinary.

We made Scotland look as good as us and we know they only have a couple of decent players. If Scotland had anyone who could finish they'd have beaten us by a goal or two. And all it took was running around more than us.

Today, we've secured a good win. But we all know Germany should have scored at 1-0 and Pickford has kept us in it (like he did against Scotland) with a great save.

We've ridden our luck.

Who knows? Maybe it'll turn into confidence and we'll go all the way. Or maybe it'll run out and we'll get embarrassed.

We made Croatia and Czech look useless, Czech just beat Holland and Croatia drew 3-3 with Spain.
The Scotland game we were below par but Stones missed a sitter.
Todays game we were the better side throughout, Muller should've scored but Kane and Maguire should've scored in the first half. We won 2-0 and deservedly so as Jurgen Klinsmann was quick to point out.

You can try your absolute best to discredit England and Southgate all you want, I'll continue to enjoy the tournament and finally for the first time in 15+ years I'll enjoy my national team. After years of suffering watching world class individuals stroll around half arsed under supposed great managers like Capello, finally I see an England team with sweat on the shirt and a game plan to win games of football.

[Rowls]

Don't think he'd get a job at a big prem club but that calibre of manager rarely take international jobs (barring Mancini at the euros really). Compared to the alternatives (Allardyce, Howe etc.) Happy for him to stay on. I particularly like how much the players seem to enjoy the setup compared to recent years. Episodes like John Terry calling for Joe Cole to start mid-world cup would be unthinkable now.

It does appear he's got the camp in the a happy mood and all together. Maybe that's a large factor that previous managers have neglected?

I think we're there for the taking when we play a good or even half-decent side and it scares me because I'd hate to see England humiliated.

[Rileybobs]

Desperate stuff. Keep going guys, this is enjoyable reading.

[Vegas Claret]

How on earth do you think this current squad is stronger than the Sven/Capello lot? All of our best players in this squad play in the same position.

Scholes > Rice - so Rice is playing left wing is he ? Or are you dropping that argument now ?
Gerrard > Henderson - you mean Rice
Lampard > Phillips
Cole > Shaw - we only had Cole, Southgate has Shaw and a Champions League winner
Neville > Trippier - we had only Neville - Southgate has a choice of a La Liga winner, a Champions League winner, or a perennial PL winner
Rio > Maguire I'd swap them
Terry > Stones
Campbell > Mings - never rated Campbell and don't overly rate Mings
Owen > DCL - i'd say Sterling long before DCL
Rooney and Kane are pretty even. - FWIW I think Rooney was far better
Pickford and James are pretty even. Agree

Then you get to Foden/Grealish/Saka/Rashford/Mount/Sancho/Sterling who are ALL wide players ----- all of whom were better than our squad players

you've talked about squads and teams - which is it ? I think this squad is far stronger, you disagree no big deal

[Vegas Claret]

We made Croatia and Czech look useless, Czech just beat Holland and Croatia drew 3-3 with Spain.
The Scotland game we were below par but Stones missed a sitter.
Todays game we were the better side throughout, Muller should've scored but Kane and Maguire should've scored in the first half. We won 2-0 and deservedly so as Jurgen Klinsmann was quick to point out.

You can try your absolute best to discredit England and Southgate all you want, I'll continue to enjoy the tournament and finally for the first time in 15+ years I'll enjoy my national team. After years of suffering watching world class individuals stroll around half arsed under supposed great managers like Capello, finally I see an England team with sweat on the shirt and a game plan to win games of football.

and I would agree with 90% of that

[Rowls]

Ah well. Just shows - it's all about opinions.

I still can't believe anyone thinks he's anywhere near capable enough to be England manager.

'Night all and here's hoping we stuff Ukraine before Putin annexes their team.

[KRBFC]

I think we're there for the taking when we play a good or even half-decent side

Why do you keep saying this? We just played Germany, Croatia and Czech Rep not San Marino, Andorra and Kazakhstan

[Rowls]

Becuase I think Southgate's crap but the England players are good.

I think our players are substantially better than all those countries right now.

And I maybe haven't mentioned it, but I think Southgate's crap.

Goodnight, KRBFC.

UTC, COE

[yTib]

I bet you cried when Muller missed didn't you? anything to stick the knife into the national teams back

hilarious.

you were the one early in the tournament saying how you never expect england to win.

you really are the snotty little pillock.

[KRBFC]

Becuase I think Southgate's crap but the England players are good.

I think our players are substantially better than all those countries right now.

And I maybe haven't mentioned it, but I think Southgate's crap.

Goodnight, KRBFC.

UTC, COE

I enjoy the debate, it's all in good fun.

Goodnight, sweet dreams of football coming home!

[Vegas Claret]

I enjoy the debate, it's all in good fun.

Goodnight, sweet dreams of football coming home!

what do you reckon the team will be versus Ukraine assuming we have no injuries ?

[KRBFC]

what do you reckon the team will be versus Ukraine assuming we have no injuries ?

Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Phillips
Foden Grealish Sterling
Kane

It's a risky one, he will play 343 in the final i'd assume, so does he revert to a 4 for the next game and maybe the semi? I like consistency in selection but I think he'll want to get an extra forward on.

[milkcrate_mosh]

well mosh your answer to my question is about as inspiring as the man himself.

perhaps you just like bickering.

you really are the snotty little pillock.

chinless southgate

you're embarrassing on a day to day basis advocate.

[yTib]

that cryptic mess must've taken you a fair few minutes.

it really wasn't worth it.

[Vegas Claret]

Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Phillips
Foden Grealish Sterling
Kane

It's a risky one, he will play 343 in the final i'd assume, so does he revert to a 4 for the next game and maybe the semi? I like consistency in selection but I think he'll want to get an extra forward on.

I think he might play Sancho, the Swedes got in behind Ukraine pretty easily, it also wouldn't surprise me if he changed one of the midfield 2 as they are both on bookings (do they scrubbed again before the final ?)

[milkcrate_mosh]

Yellows are scrubbed after the quarter finals, suspect Henderson might come in for this reason.

[diamondpocket]

I want England to win. I think we'd have a better chance of winning with a better manager. I'd love it if Southgate could change my mind about his ability but he'll need to start putting out sides who can create a lot more chances and against good sides. And we'll need to tighten up our ideas at the back too. Clean sheets are great but clean sheets where we play well at the back would be better.

I don't think that's going to happen. I think the first good side we come up against could stuff us.

But maybe it'll be one of the mediocre ones.
[/quote]

Just admit it. Even if we win the Euros you'd still think he was a rubbish manager and we weren't worthy winners.
We got a bit of luck tonight but maybe on the balance of things we deserved it. I didn't see anything from the Germans that made them the better team on the day than us. We dominated the game and always looked in control. We had a nervous opening, expected in pressure games, where Pickford made a great stop & the Rice booking where we were left wide open, & the Muller chance where we made a mistake. Can't remember much else from them. They were always second best & our dominance in the end paid.

[Vegas Claret]

I think he might play Sancho, the Swedes got in behind Ukraine pretty easily, it also wouldn't surprise me if he changed one of the midfield 2 as they are both on bookings (do they scrubbed again before the final ?)

actually wouldn't surprise me if he brings Mount back in

[diamondpocket]

We're NOT "making them look ordinary.

We made Scotland look as good as us and we know they only have a couple of decent players. If Scotland had anyone who could finish they'd have beaten us by a goal or two. And all it took was running around more than us.

Today, we've secured a good win. But we all know Germany should have scored at 1-0 and Pickford has kept us in it (like he did against Scotland) with a great save.

We've ridden our luck.

Who knows? Maybe it'll turn into confidence and we'll go all the way. Or maybe it'll run out and we'll get embarrassed.

Depends how you wanna analyse the game though doesnt it? Why don't you mention the Sterling 20 yard chancd that Neuer saved? That would have been 1-1 so back on level terms, no real difference in it then. Keepers are there to keep the ball out, it's a rubbish argument saying we've ridden our luck because a keeper made a good save, that's what they are there to do. Do you not listen to Dyche's interviews after games? He's right, you know! We didn't ride our luck any more then Germany did. You just wanna look at it in the half empty sort of way. Don't criticise others who wanna look at it the half full kind of way.

[Vegas Claret]

small margins at this level and nobody will win any tournament without luck along the way, be it a shot hitting a post or a favourable VAR decision

[djemba-djemba]

Rowls almost reaching Steve1956 levels of seethe at England success.

[Elizabeth]

small margins at this level and nobody will win any tournament without luck along the way, be it a shot hitting a post or a favourable VAR decision

I slid down my chair with relief when that German shot slid past the post when the player was clean through.

Southgate deserves to be praised for yesterday’s win whatever anyone thinks of his ability as a manager. He got it right with his change of tactics before the match and his use of Grealish. He had other subs he could have used but chose the right one.
That was very brave for me because he knew he would have been slated if it had gone wrong.

The good omens are building up and Kane scoring is a big positive. Please finish the job off !

[superdimitri]

I don't think he's very tactically astute but it's really not that crucial to be when you manage England. You just have to create belief and confidence in the players and deal with the pressure of the press.

Southgate is no Capello or Eriksson but that's probably a good thing. No one can dispute their success at club level but that's a very different job to being an international boss.

Besides, the guy has done nothing wrong to any of us, is a likeable character and clearly cares a lot about the country so I'm happy to support him despite his flaws.

As I said before, Coyle got our team believing and was tactically awful, it didn't matter, probably a better manager tactically wouldn't have spread the belief that he did in that season, so if you have the belief and confidence then that's what matters most.

[ClaretLoup]

Great point SD and if you listen to Declan Rice's interview after the game it's obvious that the players are 100% behind him, partially thanks to a lot of the stick the players and manager has had to take. It looks like Southgate created that Fergiesque siege mentality.

[Rileybobs]

I don't think he's very tactically astute but it's really not that crucial to be when you manage England. You just have to create belief and confidence in the players and deal with the pressure of the press.

Southgate is no Capello or Eriksson but that's probably a good thing. No one can dispute their success at club level but that's a very different job to being an international boss.

Besides, the guy has done nothing wrong to any of us, is a likeable character and clearly cares a lot about the country so I'm happy to support him despite his flaws.

As I said before, Coyle got our team believing and was tactically awful, it didn't matter, probably a better manager tactically wouldn't have spread the belief that he did in that season, so if you have the belief and confidence then that's what matters most.

Yeah but what about Middlesbrough?

[cricketfieldclarets]

What did you do when England battered Germany on a knockout game at the euros?

Went on a forum to slag the manager off.

[Lancasterclaret]

Semi finals World Cup

Quarter finals European Championship

I mean, I'm 48 and only Robson has come close to that

What on earth is the argument against him?

[Jakubclaret]

Semi finals World Cup

Quarter finals European Championship

I mean, I'm 48 and only Robson has come close to that

What on earth is the argument against him?

There isn’t 1, I think it’s got to the point now where some people are just bored & want to argue the toss over nothing.

[cricketfieldclarets]

There isn’t 1, I think it’s got to the point now where some people are just bored & want to argue the toss over nothing.

Only one manager had a better win ratio than Southgate in history. And that was Capello who had an abysmal 2010 and then left before 2012 due to the John Terry race scandal.

Southgate has performed better in tournaments than almost everyone before him. And has performed better overall too.

[KRBFC]

Semi finals World Cup

Quarter finals European Championship

I mean, I'm 48 and only Robson has come close to that

What on earth is the argument against him?

Nations League final too.
Breezed through all qualifying, as stupid as that may sound, the previous managers sometimes struggled and Mclaren even failed to qualify for the Euros.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Semi finals World Cup

Quarter finals European Championship

I mean, I'm 48 and only Robson has come close to that

What on earth is the argument against him?

Well said that man!

[Sheedyclaret]

The fa have hired what you'd call elite managers before non achieved what southgate has and you could say they had better player's to work with to he's doing alright...

[Socrates]

You know what ……. I’m not criticising Southgate anymore.

I thought he picked the wrong team last night. I don’t really like our style of football. I’d like to think I’d do it differently.

But he’s got every decision right.

People called for Sterling to be dropped. He’s our top scorer.

People called for Pickford to be dropped. Arguably MOM last night.

I don’t like how defensive we are. But we’ve not conceded a goal yet.

People want Grealish to start. He brings him off the bench and he changes the game.

I wouldn’t have picked Phillips. But you can’t argue with his performances.

He picks Saka out of nowhere and he puts in a great performance.

Semi-final in a World Cup and now this. I don’t want to hear that we had a good run last time or that Germany weren’t all that ….. I’ve seen Golden Generations come and go and not perform this well, I’ve seen us get to a World Cup semi then fail to qualify for the next one. I’ve seen us beaten by Iceland and Romania in major tournaments.

You have to give the man credit. He’s doing a bloody good job.

[Vegas Claret]

What did you do when England battered Germany on a knockout game at the euros?

Went on a forum to slag the manager off.

better than purposefully starting the thread that kicked it all off - you're like an arsonist who pleads innocent

[Jakubclaret]

Only one manager had a better win ratio than Southgate in history. And that was Capello who had an abysmal 2010 and then left before 2012 due to the John Terry race scandal.

Southgate has performed better in tournaments than almost everyone before him. And has performed better overall too.

Try telling me something I don’t know, I think GS is doing well & should continue with the role even if we don’t progress any further, I can’t think of anyone who could come in & do a better job right now.