Dyche

[arise_sir_charge]

If you would like to quote me, fine; I only ask you do not attempt a poor paraphrase c/w removed context simply to justify your attempt at childish humour.

You’re going to have to explain to me what part of the first paragraph alters the context of the second paragraph.

I’ll help you, none of it.

[elwaclaret]

You’re going to have to explain to me what part of the first paragraph alters the context of the second paragraph.

I’ll help you, none of it.

You clearly wanted to draw my attention to your post by using mine to bend to your will, you’ve now lost my interest again.

[arise_sir_charge]

You clearly wanted to draw my attention to your post by using mine to bend to your will, you’ve now lost my interest again.

I see, so you can’t explain. That’s fine.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Go on then, tell us how much he pocketed.

Idon't have the figure, clearly, but you can't tell me he's come away with less than dyche, which was the suggestion?

[boatshed bill]

Idon't have the figure, clearly, but you can't tell me he's come away with less than dyche, which was the suggestion?

I wasn't suggesting that.
But you seem to have information on the ex-chairman's "pay-off"
Lots on here do, but none can put a figure on it.

[jojomk1]

I think we would be in a worse position to bounce back up than the last time we went down which, given that we've spent 6 seasons in the Premier League, is a damning reflection on our recruitment. I don't think we can lay that at Dyche's door. But the atmosphere around the club is far more downbeat than the previous time we were relegated. In my view anyway.

But during those last six years the final say on recruitment has been as much down to Dyche as anyone else
An inflexible manager who believes only in an outdated formation of 4 4 2
To the point where he would rather put square pegs in round holes just to keep the formation
And a manager who believes that age/experience is better than younger players with pace, hence the oldest/slowest squad in the league
OK, so money hasn't been made available but I think the next financial year figures will give us reasons why (plenty are already moaning about the debt being built up by Pace yet Garlick is hammered for keeping money for the potential fallout of COVID)
Garlick stood up to Dyche on the issue of old players getting new contracts because he could see it was money going to waste with no hope of a return on such investments - and the likes of Bardsley and Lennon weren't even starting games
In return he just kept having to put up with public snide remarks from Dyche which meant the relationship became untenable and Garlick chose to go, and the fact that he made a personal profit was a result of this
A manager who coaches any semblance of flair out of players just to play within a system that is clearly out of date. McNeil was a real breath of fresh air when he got his chance (a chance he would probably never been afforded without the injuries to all other wide players some years back) He got better with more games and more confidence but is clearly now struggling to play in a system that does not suit his game
More than likely we will go down and the only hope is that some other club comes in for Dyche because otherwise it will be the same next year

[arise_sir_charge]

I wasn't suggesting that.
But you seem to have information on the ex-chairman's "pay-off"
Lots on here do, but none can put a figure on it.

Is it not just common sense that the man that held the biggest stake pocketed the largest pay off?

[boatshed bill]

Is it not just common sense that the man that held the biggest stake pocketed the largest pay off?

I really do not know , don't pretend to.
But let's speculate

How I see it is that MG bought a lot of shares, raised enough money to redevelop Gawthorpe, sold his shares and instantly became the antichrist

[ŽižkovClaret]

Bigger than Garlick who made a pretty penny? Don't see how you work that one out tbh

Not sure how you took me having an idea of specifics there Boatshed tbh?

[jojomk1]

Is it not just common sense that the man that held the biggest stake pocketed the largest pay off?

At this moment in time Garlick and JB are, I believe, still part of the set up at Turf Moor

They have not yet been paid their full dues and will actually take back control of the club should ALK not be able to fulfill their financial part of the deal

If I am right (and happy to be corrected) nobody can yet put any figure on what Garlick and JB have made

[boatshed bill]

Not sure how you took me having an idea of specifics there Boatshed tbh?

Because you said this

Bigger than Garlick who made a pretty penny? Don't see how you work that one out tbh

[arise_sir_charge]

I really do not know , don't pretend to.
But let's speculate

How I see it is that MG bought a lot of shares, raised enough money to redevelop Gawthorpe, sold his shares and instantly became the antichrist

Is it not more of a case that folk seem to think that Garlick didn’t spend, kept the cash in the bank and then ended up with that cash paying him for his shares?

I’m not arsed personally and I have maintained all along that nobody knows the details of the deal or the debt so pointless speculating.

That said it stands to reason that Mike Garlick made a significant profit on his investment, fairl play to him.

[boatshed bill]

Is it not more of a case that folk seem to think that Garlick didn’t spend, kept the cash in the bank and then ended up with that cash paying him for his shares?

I’m not arsed personally and I have maintained all along that nobody knows the details of the deal or the debt so pointless speculating.

That said it stands to reason that Mike Garlick made a significant profit on his investment, fairl play to him.

Yes, you are right. Anyone who has had shares will have made a substantial profit on their sale.
But Mike Garlick did spend... Gawthorpe and a substantial sum on players.

[joey13]

Yes, you are right. Anyone who has had shares will have made a substantial profit on their sale.
But Mike Garlick did spend... Gawthorpe and a substantial sum on players.

I thought the club spent money on Gawthorpe and players , or are you saying he used his own money ?

[boatshed bill]

I thought the club spent money on Gawthorpe and players , or are you saying he used his own money ?

Well, according to some, the old scrooge could have pocketed it.
Can anyone honestly tell me that Mike Garlick has taken a sum of money that was not his to take off Burnley Football Club?

[joey13]

Well, according to some, the old scrooge could have pocketed it.
Can anyone honestly tell me that Mike Garlick has taken a sum of money that was not his to take off Burnley Football Club?

The telling words that stand out in that statement Bill “take off Burnley Football Club”

[Jakubclaret]

Some custodian!

[boatshed bill]

The telling words that stand out in that statement Bill “take off Burnley Football Club”

No, do you know that he has at any time misappropriated funds?
Some people tread on very thin ice.

[arise_sir_charge]

No, do you know that he has at any time misappropriated funds?
Some people tread on very thin ice.

I’ve never read that being said about him.

[Claret3495]

By any other teams measures he would be long gone but not by BFC.

I think it's time for a change, in my opinion it's gone stale. I think he has performed miracles with a terrible budget, but doesn't seem to be able to do it any longer. I also feel some of his signings with what money we've had, haven't always worked. Gibson, Vyrda, Hendrick. Completely respect what he has done for this club and will always be a club legend.

I'm not sure people realise the enormity of not staying in the PL. If the amount of debt we are now in, owing to the takeover is correct. We probably won't have many of these players to play for us in the Championship anyway.

Oh, and we can't afford to sack him anyway, with the new 4 year deal. We're in a pickle.

[boatshed bill]

I’ve never read that being said about him.

look harder

[warksclaret]

He has almost been allowed to get too big in the club. No one ever challenges him-on tactics, starting 11, formation etc. He is very picky on who we recruit, refuses to use the loan market, and keeps saying how hard the transfer market has become, and claims there are few players we could go for as they don't improve the starting 11. Now he has engineered a contact that makes it hard financially to sack him. He has called all the shots but sadly for him its a results business and now he is getting found out

[alwaysaclaret]

But during those last six years the final say on recruitment has been as much down to Dyche as anyone else
An inflexible manager who believes only in an outdated formation of 4 4 2
To the point where he would rather put square pegs in round holes just to keep the formation
And a manager who believes that age/experience is better than younger players with pace, hence the oldest/slowest squad in the league
OK, so money hasn't been made available but I think the next financial year figures will give us reasons why (plenty are already moaning about the debt being built up by Pace yet Garlick is hammered for keeping money for the potential fallout of COVID)
Garlick stood up to Dyche on the issue of old players getting new contracts because he could see it was money going to waste with no hope of a return on such investments - and the likes of Bardsley and Lennon weren't even starting games
In return he just kept having to put up with public snide remarks from Dyche which meant the relationship became untenable and Garlick chose to go, and the fact that he made a personal profit was a result of this
A manager who coaches any semblance of flair out of players just to play within a system that is clearly out of date. McNeil was a real breath of fresh air when he got his chance (a chance he would probably never been afforded without the injuries to all other wide players some years back) He got better with more games and more confidence but is clearly now struggling to play in a system that does not suit his game
More than likely we will go down and the only hope is that some other club comes in for Dyche because otherwise it will be the same next year

Couldn't have put it better myself jojo, clearly not the full story, only dyche and garlick themselves will know that, but I think this is pretty close to it. Also it was probably never in the plan to qualify for Europe but it was a mistake that probably neither of them could avoid happening, but maybe it was that that caused the rift and they couldn't see eye to eye and weren't on the same page, think it's fair to say it went down hill from there, but I've said for sometime now that dyche has very definitely been his own worst enemy. I'm sure lot's can remember the night we won against Stoke in the pouring rain and went 4th in the table, we were all ****** through, but it didn't matter we'd gone 4th in the best league in the world, that's when we should have strengthened, it didn't happen and what a contrast to have sunk to the lows we're at now.

[arise_sir_charge]

look harder

No, as I said earlier, I’m not that arsed. You seem intent on defending him though so fair play.

[ClaretMov]

Finger's crossed

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/01/04 ... ean-dyche/

[Shaggy]

Finger's crossed

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/01/04 ... ean-dyche/

Can’t see any premier league club looking at Dyche. But if Everton are stupid enough to take him and pay is Compo then happy days.

[joey13]

No, do you know that he has at any time misappropriated funds?
Some people tread on very thin ice.

Your words not mine

[boatshed bill]

Your words not mine

Sorry, I'm not quite with you on this. i have never suggested misappropriation of money.

[Darnhill Claret]

If the atmosphere is more downbeat than when we were last relegated from the Prem, it might be because the moaning Minnies have been predicting relegation for six seasons now and have convinced themselves that there is no other possible outcome this season. They are working hard to destroy the confidence of the players by their constant negativity. Although all supporters are entitled to their opinions I’m not sure how they think their often abusive posts are supporting the team and club they profess to support. I just wish they would take a rain check and wait until we have been mathematically relegated. It can’t possibly be difficult for them as they are now guaranteeing our relegation.