Alasdair Beattie gone too

[Blakesboots]

You keep implying all sorts without saying or proving anything. It's very disingenuous. You are relying on implying just enough without saying to nudge people towards drawing their own sinister conclusions.

You'll find I said any old div can spread rumours. Don't have to be bound by an NDA to do that. If they're lies, those rumours by nature don't breach the NDA, but you can't then correct the record without breaching the NDA.

My take on it is the two had many clashes and something led to a final straw or ultimatum. I suspect more likely it was regarding investment, and possibly playing style/selection demands.

Or that frankly, Pace is an idiot who panicked, delayed, then made a snap decision.

Or one of several far more untoward motives which I won't put forward as I have no desire to slander anyone especially on things I judge to be unlikely. Unlike you, apparently.

The senior members whose judgment or track record I respect drastically clashes with your implications.

As with everything there is balance. You and I could read the same information and look at the same pictures and draw different conclusions via an unconscious bias or a dissonance in the fan base about Dyche and his tenure.

It happens we’ve drawn the same one here. A fall out that has lead to a breakdown of relationship and the chairman has acted decisively and with the best interests of BFC at the fore of his mind imo.

[dandeclaret]

Brand Dyche.... do me a favour.

Sean Dyche, Football manager, person.

Stop the corporate nonsense... this is Burnley.... it's not Wall Street.

[Blakesboots]

Brand Dyche.... do me a favour.

Sean Dyche, Football manager, person.

Stop the corporate nonsense... this is Burnley.... it's not Wall Street.

Burnley won’t survive as they are now without playing on ‘Wall Street’.

Dyche does have a brand, he’s a very intelligent and sound thinking man. He’s been very clear about his intentions and career path. We wish him all the best with it. Who wouldn’t want to see him go on to manage a top six side. He’s got the talent.

[paulatky]

As with everything there is balance. You and I could read the same information and look at the same pictures and draw different conclusions via an unconscious bias or a dissonance in the fan base about Dyche and his tenure.

It happens we’ve drawn the same one here. A fall out that has lead to a breakdown of relationship and the chairman has acted decisively and with the best interests of BFC at the fore of his mind imo.

Are you going to respond to CP’s post suggesting that £70m+ is due to be paid to “friends” before the end of June.
Or is that question too difficult for you.

[spt_claret]

Burnley won’t survive as they are now without playing on ‘Wall Street’.

Dyche does have a brand, he’s a very intelligent and sound thinking man. He’s been very clear about his intentions and career path. We wish him all the best with it. Who wouldn’t want to see him go on to manage a top six side. He’s got the talent.

"We wish".

Fascinating.

[Blakesboots]

Are you going to respond to CP’s post suggesting that £70m+ is due to be paid to “friends” before the end of June.
Or is that question too difficult for you.

I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to reply to that fairly and fully informed. There are better placed people on this board to do so.

What I will say is, you don’t need to worry. When people have a finger in a long term project they don’t pull the rug out and derail it. There is more than football on the table.

[paulatky]

I’ve not asked people to believe me. I’ve said nothing other than imo the club/chairman had every reason to sack Dyche once the lines had been drawn in the sand around recent events.

Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions using the evidence, or lack of it that is present on the message board and in the media domain.

Brand Dyche hasn’t been without controversy and incident in that 9 1/2 years. He’s been an amazing appointment for the club and made some lifelong changes that will serve the club well, but there have been other legacies that aren’t so well thought of.

To address your NDA point, there’s no proof there is one, just speculation and belief that there will be one and this is the reasoning behind the silence from both sides. If you breach an NDA that you’re bound by, you’re in court so any old div can’t just say what they want. Wall Street will be very aware of that.

I take your point about the lack of tangible evidence to hand as evidence. What’s your take on it then? That this is a knee jerk results driven decision?

I think of you look at the contributions of the senior board members you can start to see the evidence creep out.

Again you add to the intrigue without adding any meat to the bones when you say “ I think if you look to the contributions of the senior board members you can start to see the evidence creep out”

What on earth are you inferring there.
You are like a politician, use a lot of words but say nothing

[Blakesboots]

Again you add to the intrigue without adding any meat to the bones when you say “ I think if you look to the contributions of the senior board members you can start to see the evidence creep out”

What on earth are you inferring there.
You are like a politician, use a lot of words but say nothing

And is your long served distrust of politics and politicians influencing your thought process here? Would it help or hinder to say that I’m a Tory?

Glad I can be intriguing to you

[jedi_master]

BenWickes, is that you?

[BurnleyFC]

Blakesboots might want you to believe he’s connected with ALK, but I’m not buying it.

It’s BenWickes reincarnated.

[dandeclaret]

Burnley won’t survive as they are now without playing on ‘Wall Street’.

Dyche does have a brand, he’s a very intelligent and sound thinking man. He’s been very clear about his intentions and career path. We wish him all the best with it. Who wouldn’t want to see him go on to manage a top six side. He’s got the talent.

As they are now being the key statement in there. They were fine until people came in and started playing corporate sport 101 with the club. Similar mistakes as Sunderland, similar lack of understanding of the club as Aston Villa, similar debt mistakes as Man Utd and Liverpool.

Then the owners want to be held up as some sort of heroes for saving the club from the world they created. Firemen don't tend to get too many thanks for putting your fire out if they've set your house on fire first.

The way your positining it, is that it's Brand Dyche vs Brand ALK. One of them got the club from very early on..... the other is a slippery organisation, claiming transparency, but talking in corporate speak and Trumpisms (Brand Dyche, An incredible deal, the most amazing deal - no details of it).

This isn't about brands, this is about a football club, it's about the best people, in the best positions. It's about making more right decisions than wrong decisions. That's what the club's success was built on, but week on week since the fateful day the club sold out, there's more people in wrong positions, there's more and more wrong decisions.

[paulatky]

And is your long served distrust of politics and politicians influencing your thought process here? Would it help or hinder to say that I’m a Tory?

Glad I can be intriguing to you

Have you any comments on CP’s suggestion that £70m is due by end of June.

Are you going to t’turf on Thursday I will buy you a coffee and slice of pizza

[Blakesboots]

Blakesboots might want you to believe he’s connected with ALK, but I’m not buying it.

It’s BenWickes reincarnated.

That’s what Jedi said.

[Blakesboots]

Have you any comments on CP’s suggestion that £70m is due by end of June.

Are you going to t’turf on Thursday I will buy you a coffee and slice of pizza

I will be there on Thursday cheering the team on and hoping we’ve got the new appointment in place.

[paulatky]

That’s what Jedi said.

Or you might be claretpunter , having finally made your fortune using the Martingale system.

[Blakesboots]

As they are now being the key statement in there. They were fine until people came in and started playing corporate sport 101 with the club. Similar mistakes as Sunderland, similar lack of understanding of the club as Aston Villa, similar debt mistakes as Man Utd and Liverpool.

Then the owners want to be held up as some sort of heroes for saving the club from the world they created. Firemen don't tend to get too many thanks for putting your fire out if they've set your house on fire first.

The way your positining it, is that it's Brand Dyche vs Brand ALK. One of them got the club from very early on..... the other is a slippery organisation, claiming transparency, but talking in corporate speak and Trumpisms (Brand Dyche, An incredible deal, the most amazing deal - no details of it).

This isn't about brands, this is about a football club, it's about the best people, in the best positions. It's about making more right decisions than wrong decisions. That's what the club's success was built on, but week on week since the fateful day the club sold out, there's more people in wrong positions, there's more and more wrong decisions.

I agree with you, and I believe that it was right to let Dyche go and get a new appointment in position that can work with the board and other colleagues to drive the club forward.

The club had been looking for investment for years prior to the sale, the previous board knew that they couldn’t sustain the club in the premier league using the current funding structures and the manner in which football ownership has headed.

[Blakesboots]

Or you might be claretpunter , having finally made your fortune using the Martingale system.

I don’t bet.

[Blakesboots]

Blakesboots might want you to believe he’s connected with ALK, but I’m not buying it.

It’s BenWickes reincarnated.

I have never once claimed affiliation with the current board/owners. Posters on here made that claim and insinuated that I’m brand ALK.

[paulatky]

I will be there on Thursday cheering the team on and hoping we’ve got the new appointment in place.

It would be great to meet up for a quick 10 minute chat. Always good to put a face to a name

Strange that you have not been a member of this site very long but you obviously have strong views on the new owners, why you haven’t posted before under your current username.

[paulatky]

I don’t bet.

It was classed as an investment, similar to buying a football club with someone else’s money

[Blakesboots]

I have strong views on all sorts of issues. I try to be balanced with those views. I am very pro board, as I am thankful for the work and memories Dyche has given to fans in his time here.

In my opinion I feel the board have acted correctly and decisively. As has been discussed at length prior to this, it was maybe time for both parties to part ways at the end of the season.

I’ve never felt the need to post before, I don’t feel you can have a discussion on an internet message board fairly without it falling into chaos.

[Blakesboots]

It was classed as an investment, similar to buying a football club with someone else’s money

You bought your house with someone else’s money?

[DCWat]

I have strong views on all sorts of issues. I try to be balanced with those views. I am very pro board, as I am thankful for the work and memories Dyche has given to fans in his time here.

In my opinion I feel the board have acted correctly and decisively. As has been discussed at length prior to this, it was maybe time for both parties to part ways at the end of the season.

I’ve never felt the need to post before, I don’t feel you can have a discussion on an internet message board fairly without it falling into chaos.

Yet you choose this topic to break that position?

[Blakesboots]

Yet you choose this topic to break that position?

It’s quite a big topic, so I feel it’s understandable

[Chester Perry]

It’s quite a big topic, so I feel it’s understandable

it is the choice of thread for your major contributions to the the discussion that is the most strange

[Blakesboots]

it is the choice of thread for your major contributions to the the discussion that is the most strange

There’s that many threads roughly covering the same topics that you get caught responding in the same one again and again.

Which one would you suggest we move to to be more appropriate?

[Devils_Advocate]

Or you might be claretpunter , having finally made your fortune using the Martingale system.

Its Factual Frank and he'll be banned again soon

[Blakesboots]

Its Factual Frank and he'll be banned again soon

What a world we live in making allegations and wanting posters to be banned

[paulatky]

You bought your house with someone else’s money?

You have made that analogy before Alan !!

Don’t you remember what you said when you bought the club !!!

It’s like buying a house you said

It’s ok to have a mortgage of £500,000 when you are earning £80,000 but becomes a big big problem when those earnings drop to £20,000

[Devils_Advocate]

What a world we live in making allegations and wanting posters to be banned

I dont care if you are banned or not, Im just stating the facts which I thought you'd appreciate. If you can calm yourself down and manage to keep this moniker alive then good luck to you

[paulatky]

I have strong views on all sorts of issues. I try to be balanced with those views. I am very pro board, as I am thankful for the work and memories Dyche has given to fans in his time here.

In my opinion I feel the board have acted correctly and decisively. As has been discussed at length prior to this, it was maybe time for both parties to part ways at the end of the season.

I’ve never felt the need to post before, I don’t feel you can have a discussion on an internet message board fairly without it falling into chaos.

A certain irony in your last paragraph!!!

[Blakesboots]

I dont care if you are banned or not, Im just stating the facts which I thought you'd appreciate. If you can calm yourself down and manage to keep this moniker alive then good luck to you

But by suggesting I’d be banned implies that you’d want that.

I’ve not done, said anything to incur any sort of penalty. We’ve been in discussion about an emotive subject and no one bar you has escalated it from a genial discussion.

[Blakesboots]

A certain irony in your last paragraph!!!

Just because don’t agree doesn’t mean it has to be chaos or resort to being rude. Something we’ve managed to do fairly so far.

I hope it continues

[paulatky]

But by suggesting I’d be banned implies that you’d want that.

I’ve not done, said anything to incur any sort of penalty. We’ve been in discussion about an emotive subject and no one bar you has escalated it from a genial discussion.

You seem to keep running away from replying to the suggestion that the club has to find £70m+ by the end of June to service the purchase terms.

My thinking is that commitment forced AP to panic and press the self destruct button on Friday.

[Blakesboots]

I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to reply to that fairly and fully informed. There are better placed people on this board to do so.

What I will say is, you don’t need to worry. When people have a finger in a long term project they don’t pull the rug out and derail it. There is more than football on the table.

I have replied.

[Devils_Advocate]

But by suggesting I’d be banned implies that you’d want that.

I’ve not done, said anything to incur any sort of penalty. We’ve been in discussion about an emotive subject and no one bar you has escalated it from a genial discussion.

No it doesn't just in the same way that me suggesting that West Ham will beat us and we will get relegated does not mean I want it to happen because I can assure you I dont.

I think you will be banned because a) once you get bored you can't help being abusive and b) some of the stuff you posted in you previous guises were some of the worst stuff I've seen on here and therefore if the mods become certain of who you are I think they wont take any chances and will ban you again.

Best bet is to stay under the radar a bit and maybe you'll prove me wrong and survive and if that means you have managed to keep your posting friendly then I'll be happy for you

[Blakesboots]

No it doesn't just in the same way that me suggesting that West Ham will beat us and we will get relegated does not mean I want it to happen because I can assure you I dont.

I think you will be banned because a) once you get bored you can't help being abusive and b) some of the stuff you posted in you previous guises were some of the worst stuff I've seen on here and therefore if the mods become certain of who you are I think they wont take any chances and will ban you again.

Best bet is to stay under the radar a bit and maybe you'll prove me wrong and survive and if that means you have managed to keep your posting friendly then I'll be happy for you

That’s a direct allegation and libel.

You’re also suggesting that the mods, who do a decent job under tough circumstances will happily deprive someone of their freedom of speech on a hunch?

I am not a previous poster, I am not Factual Frank.

Let’s just leave your speculation there.

[paulatky]

I have replied.

As I said before that’s a politician’s reply, says nothing other than everything will be ok without saying why. Are you also Boris’s copywriter

[spt_claret]

I have replied.

Your reply is a non-answer essentially boiling down to- I don't know but all's well and I'm sure you don't need to worry.

As for 'more than football on the table'- that's exactly what people are concerned about. Ulterior (profit-driven, likely) motives, for which the club's wellbeing or footballing status are secondary.

Take AIScout for instance- I would imagine it is more likely & easy to find profitable players to buy & sell on at Championship level than at Premier League level, given the standard you're looking for and the likely transfer fees commanded. Crewe have managed a similar model at levels further below. AIScout probably fits more effectively into our business model in the Championship than the Premier League.

I don't want to see the club "cut its cloth" and sell off our best players to plug debts of the new owners' creation, and then be forced to rely on an untested scouting app. It would make me question whether the scouting tool is there to help the club, or the club is there to promote the scouting tool. Nothing would suggest more to me a lack of ambition and mentality of 'knowing our place' than wilfully resigning ourselves to being a Championship feeder club.

[Blakesboots]

As I said before that’s a politician’s reply, says nothing other than everything will be ok without saying why. Are you also Boris’s copywriter

It says I am not able to comment because I don’t have the direct knowledge to do so.

No politician would admit that!

Boris writes most of his own stuff, it’s a big part of his bumbling persona. He rocks up waffling that he has nothing prepared and then spends 10 minutes pretending to write something down, then delivers the speech he has been preparing for the last 48 hours.

[paulatky]

That’s a direct allegation and libel.

You’re also suggesting that the mods, who do a decent job under tough circumstances will happily deprive someone of their freedom of speech on a hunch?

I am not a previous poster, I am not Factual Frank.

Let’s just leave your speculation there.

Then meet up for coffee and chat on Thursday and show it . Don’t worry I will stump up
the cash.

[Blakesboots]

Your reply is a non-answer essentially boiling down to- I don't know but all's well and I'm sure you don't need to worry.

As for 'more than football on the table'- that's exactly what people are concerned about. Ulterior (profit-driven, likely) motives, for which the club's wellbeing or footballing status are secondary.

Take AIScout for instance- I would imagine it is more likely & easy to find profitable players to buy & sell on at Championship level than at Premier League level, given the standard you're looking for and the likely transfer fees commanded. Crewe have managed a similar model at levels further below. AIScout probably fits more effectively into our business model in the Championship than the Premier League.

I don't want to see the club "cut its cloth" and sell off our best players to plug debts of the new owners' creation, and then be forced to rely on an untested scouting app. It would make me question whether the scouting tool is there to help the club, or the club is there to promote the scouting tool. Nothing would suggest more to me a lack of ambition and mentality of 'knowing our place' than wilfully resigning ourselves to being a Championship feeder club.

Or it builds a base that we can move forward with that is long term sustainable in the Premier league?

The current model of old and tested pros is likely to prove itself badly in the very near future

[bobinho]

Again you add to the intrigue without adding any meat to the bones when you say “ I think if you look to the contributions of the senior board members you can start to see the evidence creep out”

What on earth are you inferring there.
You are like a politician, use a lot of words but say nothing

Yep. Bit like dyche in that respect.

[paulatky]

Or it builds a base that we can move forward with that is long term sustainable in the Premier league?

The current model of old and tested pros is likely to prove itself badly in the very near future

But that being sustainable in the PL looks like failing at the first hurdle and will leave us in the brown stuff.

[spt_claret]

Or it builds a base that we can move forward with that is long term sustainable in the Premier league?

The current model of old and tested pros is likely to prove itself badly in the very near future

I fully agree that longer term we want to be getting in younger players, and also players who, if we cannot retain, we can sell for a profit.
I do not remotely agree that hinging our future on that model, especially when we enter debt, is the best method for the club's survival and sustainability. It inherently increases the levels of risk, without particularly increasing the levels of reward unless we repeatedly land long-odds miracles and end up even further up the league. And sacking Dyche only heightens that risk from where I stand, especially given his own use of data.

It screams of betting at a roulette table but needing to win ten spins in a row. It's theoretically possible but incredibly unlikely.

[Chester Perry]

Or it builds a base that we can move forward with that is long term sustainable in the Premier league?

The current model of old and tested pros is likely to prove itself badly in the very near future

excepting that ALK still have less than a 3.5% shareholding (in class B non voting shares) none in the Class A voting shares meaning they have an overall hold less than 2.3% of the AiScout business according to a confirmation statement published last Wednesday at Companies House - admittedly that is a 6 fold increase in shares held since last summer but not a huge investment (circa £200k) by any stretch of the imagination

[Blakesboots]

Then meet up for coffee and chat on Thursday and show it . Don’t worry I will stump up
the cash.

I’m good thanks bud. I’m not into getting called out, it’s not school!

[spt_claret]

excepting that ALK still have less than a 3.5% shareholding (in class B non voting shares) none in the Class A voting shares meaning they have an overall hold less than 2.3% of the AiScout business according to a confirmation statement published last Wednesday at Companies House - admittedly that is a 6 fold increase in shares held since last summer but not a huge investment (circa £200k) by any stretch of the imagination

Thanks for that Chester. Any concern regarding conflict of interest would only arise in the scenario I outlined ie. total reliance on AIScout. My bigger concern is about the risk & reliability of this general method.

The whole thing screams to me of trying to do a Brentford without necessarily considering how difficult that is, but in this case the risk of failure has been placed much more heavily on the club via the debt burden. Brentford's model of analytics and sport-science driven, buy low sell high, incremental growth is extremely impressive, one to be lauded and envied. One that in an ideal world, we would replicate.

My fear is how difficult it is to replicate, coupled with our debt, puts us in serious danger.

[paulatky]

I’m good thanks bud. I’m not into getting called out, it’s not school!

Very strange response , being called out to me means being caught out lying , yet you say you don’t want to be “ called out”

You obviously have a lot to hide.

A meet for a chat, a free coffee , what’s not to like.

[Lowbankclaret]

I agree with you, and I believe that it was right to let Dyche go and get a new appointment in position that can work with the board and other colleagues to drive the club forward.

The club had been looking for investment for years prior to the sale, the previous board knew that they couldn’t sustain the club in the premier league using the current funding structures and the manner in which football ownership has headed.

Disagree, we had been in the league for a few years and most fans who have been around for years didn’t fear relegation.
The directors wanted to fill their bank accounts with millions of pounds, which they succeeded in doing.