Wout Weghorst

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon May 30, 2022 12:53 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 12:45 pm
I mean, there're Burnley fans who didn't learn to pronounce Jensen over the course of ten years so this is a bit ambitious.

Beeaaasssttttt

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon May 30, 2022 12:56 pm

I cringe every time Burnley fans get his name wrong. It's thick and ignorant. Wouldn't mind as much if it was a bit of a tricky name to pronounce. It's the word "out" with a 'v'.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon May 30, 2022 1:13 pm

https://youtu.be/P50T4IFhqew

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:42 pm

Called it a few weeks ago.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:13 pm

It’s true we haven’t had the best return from Wout, but one thing surely is without doubt to anyone who actually watches football…. He’s a massive upgrade (in both footballing terms and in attitude) on Wood.

The two men (one who subbed him off all the time and one who dropped him) won’t manage Burnley again. One of them couldn’t motivate his team to go to Norwich and get something in a relegation battle, and one subbed us into playing six at the back in a game and swapped out a genuine right back to play a centre half there and then put the right back into right midfield for the most important game of the season - forgive me if I attach little credence to the argument that they somehow knew something we don’t. Anyone who picks Barnes ahead of Weghorst needs their head looking at.

If you play to a players strengths, you will get the rewards. Like we did with Wood, who scored goals for us, like we did with Gray who scored goals for us. Arguably barring a couple of fleeting occurrences, we didn’t do that for Wout. We did with him what we did with crouch, and treated him like a head on a stick, which is extremely poor management in my book.

If Wout stays, and we play football to his feet quickly, he’ll get a hatful because he is a very good footballer. Better than either of our two previous managers believed that’s for sure, and I’m confident he’ll prove it.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:14 pm

He's going man

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:16 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 10:13 pm
It’s true we haven’t had the best return from Wout, but one thing surely is without doubt to anyone who actually watches football…. He’s a massive upgrade (in both footballing terms and in attitude) on Wood.

The two men (one who subbed him off all the time and one who dropped him) won’t manage Burnley again. One of them couldn’t motivate his team to go to Norwich and get something in a relegation battle, and one subbed us into playing six at the back in a game and swapped out a genuine right back to play a centre half there and then put the right back into right midfield for the most important game of the season - forgive me if I attach little credence to the argument that they somehow knew something we don’t. Anyone who picks Barnes ahead of Weghorst needs their head looking at.

If you play to a players strengths, you will get the rewards. Like we did with Wood, who scored goals for us, like we did with Gray who scored goals for us. Arguably barring a couple of fleeting occurrences, we didn’t do that for Wout. We did with him what we did with crouch, and treated him like a head on a stick, which is extremely poor management in my book.

If Wout stays, and we play football to his feet quickly, he’ll get a hatful because he is a very good footballer. Better than either of our two previous managers believed that’s for sure, and I’m confident he’ll prove it.

You missed out how quick he is , his attitude,and his popularity with his fellow teammates

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:17 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 10:13 pm
It’s true we haven’t had the best return from Wout, but one thing surely is without doubt to anyone who actually watches football…. He’s a massive upgrade (in both footballing terms and in attitude) on Wood.

The two men (one who subbed him off all the time and one who dropped him) won’t manage Burnley again. One of them couldn’t motivate his team to go to Norwich and get something in a relegation battle, and one subbed us into playing six at the back in a game and swapped out a genuine right back to play a centre half there and then put the right back into right midfield for the most important game of the season - forgive me if I attach little credence to the argument that they somehow knew something we don’t. Anyone who picks Barnes ahead of Weghorst needs their head looking at.

If you play to a players strengths, you will get the rewards. Like we did with Wood, who scored goals for us, like we did with Gray who scored goals for us. Arguably barring a couple of fleeting occurrences, we didn’t do that for Wout. We did with him what we did with crouch, and treated him like a head on a stick, which is extremely poor management in my book.

If Wout stays, and we play football to his feet quickly, he’ll get a hatful because he is a very good footballer. Better than either of our two previous managers believed that’s for sure, and I’m confident he’ll prove it.

He’s so good he’s off to turkey.

Weghorst was never going to be prolific in this country, too slow, poor in the air and not physical enough to hold of athletic defenders.

He’s going exactly where I thought he would. A poor league to earn some good cash.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:24 pm

You don’t really need that much speed when you can read the game well. Teddy sheringham was slower than a week in jail and he managed alright.

His attitude seemed pretty good to me when chasing aimless balls down into the channels, and turning than into chances.

As for his popularity, having spent no time with them on the training pitch or in the dressing room, I’ll concede the point.

Mismanaged and misused. Shame really, but we have form for it. Look at Vydra… look at McNeil… look at cork. Anyway, the days of being one dimensional are over. Hopefully our new manager will trust in youth, and mix it up a Little.

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Tue May 31, 2022 3:04 am

Excuse Google translate:

Many German teams, especially Leipzg, Frankfurt and Freiburg, asked Weghorst about his situation. The player is looking forward to returning to Germany. Also, the actress refused Atalanta's offer, saying she wanted to return to Germany.[BILD]

I’m sure a return to Germany would be his preference. Atalanta look for bargains in the market often, and play with a big striker (Zapata currently), so aren’t a wild shout. Would suggest Leipzig is nonsense, doesn’t fit their signing model at all, but Frankfurt and Freiburg have both qualified for Europe next season, so will be looking to expand their squads with some experience and will have bigger budgets.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue May 31, 2022 5:40 am

I’m amazed he’s got that much interest, though maybe it’s his agent drumming it up. He can go for me, can’t see him being up for it in the Championship. Reckon he thinks he’s better than that level.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue May 31, 2022 6:53 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 5:40 am
I’m amazed he’s got that much interest, though maybe it’s his agent drumming it up. He can go for me, can’t see him being up for it in the Championship. Reckon he thinks he’s better than that level.

He is better than that level, which is why he will go.
Wout appears to be another signing that SD had foisted on him, so therefore found little time for him.
Apart from Brighton away, I can't think of another game where we played to his strengths. That's a shame on us, not on him.
I would prefer he stayed, and gave VK or whoever, a chance to prove he is valued, but it's probably too late.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:47 am

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 6:53 am
He is better than that level, which is why he will go.
Wout appears to be another signing that SD had foisted on him, so therefore found little time for him.
Apart from Brighton away, I can't think of another game where we played to his strengths. That's a shame on us, not on him.
I would prefer he stayed, and gave VK or whoever, a chance to prove he is valued, but it's probably too late.

Foisted on him? I thought that Dyche had no support from the board and we never spent money on players?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:49 am

Can Wout not follow football teams regardless of if he's signing for them or not?

I'm sure many footballers follow many other teams for various reasons.
Maybe some journalist is putting 2 and 2 together and getting 7

Either way I'd like to see him in the championship, i think he would bev15-20 goals, although you can see both the clubs reasoning and Wouts should he move on.

What will be, will be

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:52 am

He looked excellent when he first came but unfortunately it didn’t last long. If we’re looking at the big African striker from Belgium then maybe there’s something in it.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am

Hopefully he is following Man City

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 31, 2022 8:23 am

I presume from now on, every player who doesn't live up to expectations in their first season should be completely written off as that's now the benchmark.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Tue May 31, 2022 8:30 am

bobinho wrote: ↑
Mon May 30, 2022 10:24 pm
You don’t really need that much speed when you can read the game well. Teddy sheringham was slower than a week in jail and he managed alright.

His attitude seemed pretty good to me when chasing aimless balls down into the channels, and turning than into chances.

As for his popularity, having spent no time with them on the training pitch or in the dressing room, I’ll concede the point.

Mismanaged and misused. Shame really, but we have form for it. Look at Vydra… look at McNeil… look at cork. Anyway, the days of being one dimensional are over. Hopefully our new manager will trust in youth, and mix it up a Little.

I’m with you regarding Wout’s ability. It is a shame we will be losing him as he could have been excellent in the Championship.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:05 am

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 7:47 am
Foisted on him? I thought that Dyche had no support from the board and we never spent money on players?

The board buy players they think are a bargain, sometimes behind Dyche's back.
I don't think he took to Max or Roberts either. Injuries push him to play them. Roberts could play for Wales when he was deemed unDyche fit for Burnley.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:40 am

I'd be really disappointed to lose Weghorst so quickly and especially at a net loss. I'll admit I was extremely excited when we signed him I've rated him highly for a while.
He certainly played best with Cork and Pieters in but rapidly fell out of form then favour once Dyche left. I do believe he was a long-term target of ours, just likely not in the manner it all happened. His style is more a foil for a Wood type than direct replacement.

I honestly figured with decent service (ie 1-2 new cms or new cm and winger) he could have hit 10 before the seasons end and kept us up. I still think he could bag a load in the Championship with the right setup.

But then I also had a flutter on him to be Euro 2020 golden boot and he scored once, so maybe I've just always over rated him.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:45 am

Maybe the new manager doesn't fancy him ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:56 am

Be a shame to see him go, but there isn't any point keeping players who don't want to stay and we do need to reduce the wage bill

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:59 am

We've had 5 different out and out strikers play upfront this season and non of them have been prolific.

Are all 5 just sh**e? or is the problem a bit deeper than that?

We've spent most of the season playing with 35 year old Aaron Lennon on 1 wing.

Apart from Wood and Rodriguez, it feels like the other 3 never got a run in the side, everytime Wout played it was with a different partner. Vydra's in 1 game, out the next. Barnes doesn't play all year then suddenly threw in at the deep end as the number 1 option.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:02 am

Put Weghorst down as a bad signing. get rid of him and move on, he was brought in to score the goals to keep us up, and he failed miserably at that task.

However if he does go along with Cornet, that'll leave us with Barnes and Jay Rod as our only fit striking options, so we will need to explore the market and get at least 1 forward through the door, Richardson might be a decent 4th choice in the Championship if he gets himself fit again, but we can't expect both Ash and Jay to play every game at their ages, so we will need another option up top.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:09 am

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 10:02 am
Put Weghorst down as a bad signing. get rid of him and move on, he was brought in to score the goals to keep us up, and he failed miserably at that task.

However if he does go along with Cornet, that'll leave us with Barnes and Jay Rod as our only fit striking options, so we will need to explore the market and get at least 1 forward through the door, Richardson might be a decent 4th choice in the Championship if he gets himself fit again, but we can't expect both Ash and Jay to play every game at their ages, so we will need another option up top.

Barnes is out of contract

SouthLondonexile · Post by **SouthLondonexile** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:23 am

For a while Millwall had a forward . His name was Bob Pieters and he became a cult hero. Didn’t score many goals but lifted the team every time he played. Wout - Will - if he stays - do really well in the Championship.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:41 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 10:09 am
Barnes is out of contract

Thought we had the option of another year, either way there's going to be a big overhaul in our striking department this summer, and that's long overdue, as this along with our midfield urgently need refreshing.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:58 am

Wout off, Cornet off, Barnes out of contract, leaving Rodriguez our only striker left on the books, with just 3 weeks before we start pre season and still no manager.

Hate to state the obvious we aren't going to hit the ground running and a quick return to the premiership looks highly unlikely

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue May 31, 2022 11:03 am

Top Claret wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 10:58 am
Wout off, Cornet off, Barnes out of contract, leaving Rodriguez our only striker left on the books, with just 3 weeks before we start pre season and still no manager.

Hate to state the obvious we aren't going to hit the ground running and a quick return to the premiership looks highly unlikely

I’d imagine Richardson will be in the first team this season but I take your point.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue May 31, 2022 11:05 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 11:03 am
I’d imagine Richardson will be in the first team this season but I take your point.

Didn’t someone on here say Richardson is out for atleast a few more months?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue May 31, 2022 11:11 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 11:03 am
I’d imagine Richardson will be in the first team this season but I take your point.

I hadn't forgot Richardson but he has no 1st team experience and as been out injured for most of last season.

We also have a similar problem in midfield with only 4 players remaining, Cork, Brownhill, Westwood out until the New year and a rarely fit JBG.

Massive problems ahead and still no manager

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:00 pm

Will Lancaster on twitter:

Told by representatives of Wout Weghorst that they are unaware of any links between the striker and Fenerbahçe. Talks certainly not at a concrete stage, contrary to reports. Does not rule out a move in the future for the Dutchman

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:24 pm

I would think that, along with Cornet, Weghorst will be on his bike. The main attraction, along with salary, would have been premier league football and thats gone. I personally won’t be getting too depressed if Weghorst does leave but it does leave us with a big gap as regards strikers.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:38 pm

Top Claret wrote: ↑
Tue May 31, 2022 11:11 am
I hadn't forgot Richardson but he has no 1st team experience and as been out injured for most of last season.

We also have a similar problem in midfield with only 4 players remaining, Cork, Brownhill, Westwood out until the New year and a rarely fit JBG.

Massive problems ahead and still no manager

And Westwood will be almost 33 if he doesn't get back in the squad till the New Year. Jack Cork will be 33 next season and JB is 31 and has averaged 21 appearances a season in his 6 seasons at the club.

It's difficult to Cork or JBG getting through 46 games in the hurly burly of the Championship.

I wonder if Brownhill has a buyout clause - he won't want a 50 per cent pay cut at the age of 26

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:03 pm

Fenerbache reported to have taken Jorge Jesus as their manager for the season ahead.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays into any potential move.

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wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:47 pm

Apparently talks have happened with Besiktas regarding a loan deal

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:52 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:47 pm
Apparently talks have happened with Besiktas regarding a loan deal

Not sure how to link it but TRTspor (1.9million followers) are saying besiktas have opened discussions on a loan deal.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:56 pm

The finances behind signing someone for £12 million and loaning them out 6 months later are either ridiculously bad or ridiculously good. Believe that when I see it.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:57 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:56 pm
The finances behind signing someone for £12 million and loaning them out 6 months later are either ridiculously bad or ridiculously good. Believe that when I see it.

I assume we are loaning him out as a last resort. Probably not a lot of interest in him.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:59 pm

Is this to get his wages off the bill or does he not want to play in the championship (something which he apparently was fine with when he signed for us).

It Is What It Is · Post by **It Is What It Is** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:00 am

Weghorst Rodriguez and Vydra to stay.
Pope Tarks Mee Taylor O'Neill Lennon Lowton Barnes will go. Thanks for your great and loyal service. All Clarets wish you well.
As for BFC...we are f.....d!

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:00 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:57 pm
I assume we are loaning him out as a last resort. Probably not a lot of interest in him.

It's the start of June. This is not and can not be the last resort.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:05 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:57 pm
I assume we are loaning him out as a last resort. Probably not a lot of interest in him.

Brilliant. A last resort. The season only finished less than 2 weeks ago.

You don’t half post some absolute tripe.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:07 am

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:05 am
Brilliant. A last resort. The season only finished less than 2 weeks ago.

You don’t half post some absolute tripe.

Off course, look further up the thread. The same posters said the same when I said it’s likely he would go on loan to turkey weeks ago.

Seriously name some/any clubs that would be remotely interested in buying Weghorst? He’s over priced/expensive wages/not jabbed. Clubs that would be interested are few and far between hence the last resort tag.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:12 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:07 am
Off course, look further up the thread. The same posters said the same when I said it’s likely he would go on loan to turkey weeks ago.

Seriously name some/any clubs that would be remotely interested in buying Weghorst? He’s over priced/expensive wages/not jabbed. Clubs that would be interested are few and far between hence the last resort tag.

It’s June 3rd and he has (allegedly) already got a move lined up.

You’re right that is definitely last resort stuff

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:04 am

i'd rather sell him than loan him or charge a 2 million quid loan fee with an obligation to buy for whatever we paid for him

RickyBobby · Post by **RickyBobby** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:29 am

Buy someone for £12 million then loam him out until his contract ends and let him walk for free.
Pace strikes again!
Ridiculous. Just get him sold and at least recoup something.
I have had it with the club letting everyone walk for free and putting ridiculously small release clauses in everyones contracts. It is amateur and is costing us.

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:45 am

Are we back to believing unverified ‘journalists’ with a handful of followers and even less tweets?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:07 am

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:45 am
Are we back to believing unverified ‘journalists’ with a handful of followers and even less tweets?

1.9 million followers isn’t enough for you?

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:22 am

I think the fact that he was on the bench for the last few games tells a story. Maybe Weghorst has said he doesn’t want to play in the championship? It’s all speculation at the moment and there’s nothing credible being reported. Just my opinion but I think he’ll be on his way.