Women’s Euros 2022

[ALP]

lots of twisted knickers on this thread but mostly from those who like watching crap football.

We've had plenty of that over the last few years too............. but we still watched it

[yTib]

We've had plenty of that over the last few years too............. but we still watched it

apples and oranges lad.

[ALP]

apples and oranges lad.

Not keen on either thanks bud!! However it doesn't make it wrong that you may like em.

[Vegas Claret]

Except we've beaten City and gotten results against them

so have Norway v England

[CoolClaret]

so have Norway v England

*Sigh*

[aggi]

I'm definitely going to start going on the cricket threads and explain to everyone why I have no interest in cricket and why those who enjoy it need to accept that it's rubbish.

[dandeclaret]

I'm definitely going to start going on the cricket threads and explain to everyone why I have no interest in cricket and why those who enjoy it need to accept that it's rubbish.

Never realised you were a Yorkshire fan….

[ALP]

I'm definitely going to start going on the cricket threads and explain to everyone why I have no interest in cricket and why those who enjoy it need to accept that it's rubbish.

I may well just do the same, alongside Great British Bake Off and Coronation Street, I must also tell my Mrs to stop watching such shite as it's tainting her and degrading to her.

[yTib]

I'm definitely going to start going on the cricket threads and explain to everyone why I have no interest in cricket and why those who enjoy it need to accept that it's rubbish.

who has told you that you need to accept anything?

try going onto the growing up thread and telling me why you can't handle someone with a contrary opinion to yours.

[Rileybobs]

What is a bit odd though is you wouldn’t see the same disparaging comments on a thread about non-league football - which is generally regarded as a very low standard but good entertainment.

[yTib]

What is a bit odd though is you wouldn’t see the same disparaging comments on a thread about non-league football - which is generally regarded as a very low standard but good entertainment.

it's not on prime-time bbc1 though.

easily the point.

[CoolClaret]

I'm definitely going to start going on the cricket threads and explain to everyone why I have no interest in cricket and why those who enjoy it need to accept that it's rubbish.

You've totally missed the point of the argument.

You can totally go on to a cricket thread and say 'this game is being played at a poor standard' - case in point having criticism of why the Dutch were playing England in a O.D.I. would be fair game.

To come on and say 'this is rubbish' in regard to say, England's most recent Test against India then that would be objectively false.

[Rileybobs]

it's not on prime-time bbc1 though.

easily the point.

Non league football isn’t on prime-time BBC1 because the viewing figures would be appalling.

[claret wizard]

It must have been entertaining as I stuck with the whole game. Beth Mead was excellent. Lots of people getting focused on the “standard” on this thread. Of course it’s not mens football and a mens team from tier 8 would probably beat this England team. It’s not that relevant though. Let’s look at other sports where men and women compete separately. In tennis both sexes games are equally popular but the men would beat the women. In track athletics the women are obviously much slower than the men, but does that make the races any less exciting? Track cycling, men and women haves races mixed into the same schedule. I don’t think you’ll hear, we’ll skip the women’s races as they are so much slower than the men.

Was it a spectacle tonight, absolutely, and that’s all that really matters.

[CoolClaret]

it's not on prime-time bbc1 though.

easily the point.

Mind-boggling that folk can't quite grasp this very simple point

[aggi]

who has told you that you need to accept anything?

try going onto the growing up thread and telling me why you can't handle someone with a contrary opinion to yours.

Here you go. The first example I came across
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 0#p1856761

[aggi]

You've totally missed the point of the argument.

You can totally go on to a cricket thread and say 'this game is being played at a poor standard' - case in point having criticism of why the Dutch were playing England in a O.D.I. would be fair game.

To come on and say 'this is rubbish' in regard to say, England's most recent Test against India then that would be objectively false.

That's because you've decided that the standard of women's football should be judged by the standard of men's football.

Obviously that isn't the case though, that's why they have different tournaments, leagues, etc.

It's like complaining that Dina Asher Smith won't best Usain Bolt.

[CoolClaret]

That's because you've decided that the standard of women's football should be judged by the standard of men's football.

Obviously that isn't the case though, that's why they have different tournaments, leagues, etc.

It's like complaining that Dina Asher Smith won't best Usain Bolt.

No it's more that there are severe blunders in literally every game - keepers getting lobbed for fun etc.. It's rank amateur

You don't get this in athletics/tennis/skiing/gymnastics for example

[yTib]

That's because you've decided that the standard of women's football should be judged by the standard of men's football.

Obviously that isn't the case though, that's why they have different tournaments, leagues, etc.

It's like complaining that Dina Asher Smith won't best Usain Bolt.

a thread full of nonsense but that wins.

it's not about comparing men's sport with women's. it's about comparing one platform of entertainment with another.

that game tonight was like watching a bunch of blindfolded children. nothing to do with gender. just the standard.

[Vegas Claret]

*Sigh*

never mind lad, if that's the best you've got then I shouldn't have bothered

[fidelcastro]

never mind lad, if that's the best you've got then I shouldn't have bothered

UncoolClaret

[Mattster]

a thread full of nonsense but that wins.

it's not about comparing men's sport with women's. it's about comparing one platform of entertainment with another.

that game tonight was like watching a bunch of blindfolded children. nothing to do with gender. just the standard.

For someone who can't understand why it's on prime time BBC you seem to be watching an awful lot of it.

I can't understand why anyone watches Love Island, byt you don't catch me watching every damn episode and then seeking out other people who do to complain about it though.

[Bosscat]

This thread should go the same way as the one with people arguing over the Badge and whether it was changed in 2015

For pities sake if you don't like Womens football DON'T BLOODY WATCH IT turn over and watch Netflix or summat else but don't whine about it

[dsr]

That's because you've decided that the standard of women's football should be judged by the standard of men's football.

Obviously that isn't the case though, that's why they have different tournaments, leagues, etc.

It's like complaining that Dina Asher Smith won't best Usain Bolt.

To be fair, there were adverts all round the scrolling screens yesterday saying that women playing football should not be described as women's football, it's just football. Which means they want you to compare it with other sorts of football including men's; it's not a separate sport.

But as for various complaints (from other posters, not aggi) about it being on BBC1 - it gets high viewing figures. So why is there any objection? Not wanting to watch it is fine; complaining that other people shouldn't watch it even when they clearly want to - what's that about?

[martin_p]

Only just seen this thread, can never understand why people attempt to bring down something that others enjoy whether it be sport, tv, music or whatever. I found the match last night hugely entertaining, certainly more so than the average men’s England game, and surely that’s what it’s about. Everyone’s entitled to an opinion, but telling someone why something they enjoyed is rubbish is really just an attempt to suck the joy out of life. You’re entitled to be miserable but don’t try to bring everyone else down as well.

[Hipper]

I like football. I've occasionally watched some women's football - Arsenal a few years ago before it all became professional. They were generally good but often their opponents were not, especially goalkeepers. It spoilt the whole game unfortunately.

I thought I'd have a peek at yesterday's England Norway game. It was 3-0 when I turned it on and it was 6-0 when I decided I'd had enough - about ten minutes or so. England players technically and in team play looked capable and tidy but they were so far above Norway the game wasn't enjoyable. If I supported England perhaps I'd enjoy it more.

I suppose I should check out a quarter final to see what's what. Germany-Spain doesn't appear to be on TV tonight?

[martin_p]

I like football. I've occasionally watched some women's football - Arsenal a few years ago before it all became professional. They were generally good but often their opponents were not, especially goalkeepers. It spoilt the whole game unfortunately.

I thought I'd have a peek at yesterday's England Norway game. It was 3-0 when I turned it on and it was 6-0 when I decided I'd had enough - about ten minutes or so. England players technically and in team play looked capable and tidy but they were so far above Norway the game wasn't enjoyable. If I supported England perhaps I'd enjoy it more.

I suppose I should check out a quarter final to see what's what. Germany-Spain doesn't appear to be on TV tonight?

BBC2 7.30pm.

[NottsClaret]

Part of the problem is there's a lot of fat, lazy old men who only see sport as a TV show to entertain them. Never mind the millions of girls this inspires to actually go and play the sport and enjoy everything that brings.

That's what is really getting them wound up on here. The fact young and talented women are doing something they enjoy.. we can't have that, let's try and bring them down to our sad, tragic level.

[dsr]

Part of the problem is there's a lot of fat, lazy old men who only see sport as a TV show to entertain them. Never mind the millions of girls this inspires to actually go and play the sport and enjoy everything that brings.

That's what is really getting them wound up on here. The fact young and talented women are doing something they enjoy.. we can't have that, let's try and bring them down to our sad, tragic level.

I'm sorry you're so bitter. People really aren't, by and large, as unpleasant as you seem to believe.

[aggi]

a thread full of nonsense but that wins.

it's not about comparing men's sport with women's. it's about comparing one platform of entertainment with another.

that game tonight was like watching a bunch of blindfolded children. nothing to do with gender. just the standard.

Ah right, if we're comparing one platform of entertainment with another I can go back to saying cricket is boring and I don't understand why it's on tv so much when I want to watch Coronation street. As for F1, why do they keep showing that when I want to watch superbikes.

[Rileybobs]

I'm sorry you're so bitter. People really aren't, by and large, as unpleasant as you seem to believe.

There’s a lot of misogyny on this forum. Surely you’ve seen it? On almost every single subject where women are discussed in fact.

[Tribesmen]

From last night , now the pen was a shocker White went down like she had been shot and the ref fell for it .
I did think Norway looked ok until then but wow how they fell apart after that .
Lots of empty seats which i didn't think there would be , and one last thing i did notice that not one Black player was on the field for England .

[Rowls]

To be fair, there were adverts all round the scrolling screens yesterday saying that women playing football should not be described as women's football, it's just football. Which means they want you to compare it with other sorts of football including men's; it's not a separate sport.

Yes, the adverts are silly. But women's football is not.

[Longsidelenny1882]

Not for me if they were playing int back yard I’d close the curtains roll on the proper stuff utc

[quoonbeatz]

To be fair, there were adverts all round the scrolling screens yesterday saying that women playing football should not be described as women's football, it's just football. Which means they want you to compare it with other sorts of football including men's; it's not a separate sport.

That isn't what it means. It should be described as football beacuse it's the same sport, not because they want you to compare men's and women's teams, players or games.

[dsr]

That isn't what it means. It should be described as football beacuse it's the same sport, not because they want you to compare men's and women's teams, players or games.

It might not be what they want it to mean, but it's what it does mean. I agree that women play football just as men play football and Billy's under 10's as mentioned above play football. And since they all play football they will be compared with each other.

There are arguments put forward that women's football shouldn't be compared with men's because it's a different game - women's football should be viewed as a sport in its own right. But if they want to make that argument, they can't simultaneously make the argument that it's the same game as the men.

Of course, it may be that different supporters of the women's game are putting forward different arguments. That way there is no inconsistency among anyone's viewpoint.

[martin_p]

It might not be what they want it to mean, but it's what it does mean. I agree that women play football just as men play football and Billy's under 10's as mentioned above play football. And since they all play football they will be compared with each other.

There are arguments put forward that women's football shouldn't be compared with men's because it's a different game - women's football should be viewed as a sport in its own right. But if they want to make that argument, they can't simultaneously make the argument that it's the same game as the men.

Of course, it may be that different supporters of the women's game are putting forward different arguments. That way there is no inconsistency among anyone's viewpoint.

Bet you’d go down a great at an under 10s match. ‘Great game Billy, you scored a hat-trick and your team won 3-2’. Dsr - ‘Great? I don’t think so, you were playing against 10 year olds Billy, you’d have been absolutely useless against the big Premier League defenders. Let’s face it Billy, in the grand scheme of world football you’re actually a bit rubbish!’

[yTib]

the further this thread goes, the more hysterical people are becoming.

[Sproggy]

That isn't what it means. It should be described as football beacuse it's the same sport, not because they want you to compare men's and women's teams, players or games.

Last night the commentators pointed out that Ellen White is now second in the list of all time England goal scorers with only Wayne Rooney to catch.

[quoonbeatz]

It might not be what they want it to mean, but it's what it does mean.

It means what it means, not what you want it to mean.

[quoonbeatz]

Last night the commentators pointed out that Ellen White is now second in the list of all time England goal scorers with only Wayne Rooney to catch.

I heard that. Thought it was ridiculous.

[dsr]

It means what it means, not what you want it to mean.

Politicians through the ages have claimed that what they said was not what they meant. They don't get away with it.

[dsr]

Bet you’d go down a great at an under 10s match. ‘Great game Billy, you scored a hat-trick and your team won 3-2’. Dsr - ‘Great? I don’t think so, you were playing against 10 year olds Billy, you’d have been absolutely useless against the big Premier League defenders. Let’s face it Billy, in the grand scheme of world football you’re actually a bit rubbish!’

I wouldn't be talking to a child I don't know anyway. But when deciding on which match to watch, I take into consideration which one is likely to give greater entertainment, and the men's is far more likely to produce good matches than the women's or the boys'.

I have actually seen a really good women's match. Greenland beat Aland 5-4, very entertaining. But I've seen a lot of dross as well.

[CoolClaret]

Last night the commentators pointed out that Ellen White is now second in the list of all time England goal scorers with only Wayne Rooney to catch.

This is the disingenuous weird commentary/punditry I was alluding to.

I will make a disclaimer that it is getting better that what it has been - but I’d expect that when they’re literally training as professional footballers say to day.

I would howeve like to see the profit margin of the women’s game as a whole - there’s no doubt that mens football is heavily subsidising it…

I wonder how female athletes of other sports or lower league/grassroots clubs that are struggling for revenue (and are vital to the structure of the overall game) feel or would do with this level of subsidy?

[quoonbeatz]

Politicians through the ages have claimed that what they said was not what they meant. They don't get away with it.

Cool. Not seen any politicians commenting on this tbh.

[martin_p]

I wouldn't be talking to a child I don't know anyway. But when deciding on which match to watch, I take into consideration which one is likely to give greater entertainment, and the men's is far more likely to produce good matches than the women's or the boys'.

I have actually seen a really good women's match. Greenland beat Aland 5-4, very entertaining. But I've seen a lot of dross as well.

Sorry I thought you knew Billy, you referred to him in your post

So you can never apply any context to what your watching? Understand that entertainment isn’t primarily about the absolute skill of those involved but the ‘show’ itself? During my time as a Burnley supporter a lot of the most entertaining games were outside the top flight and therefore didn’t involve the very best players with the greatest skill and I’ve certainly seen lots of dross, both in the top flight and below. So how’s that different to women’s football?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Last night the commentators pointed out that Ellen White is now second in the list of all time England goal scorers with only Wayne Rooney to catch.

There was a highlight of a radio clip played where the woman reporter asked her if she was disappointed to have been subbed last night while being 1 goal behind Rooney as the highest all time scorer. Hard to think a dumber question that will be asked the whole tournament.

[martin_p]

There was a highlight of a radio clip played where the woman reporter asked her if she was disappointed to have been subbed last night while being 1 goal behind Rooney as the highest all time scorer. Hard to think a dumber question that will be asked the whole tournament.

Depends whether Garth Crooks is there.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Depends whether Garth Crooks is there.

[Big Vinny K]

Some of the comments on this thread are embarrassing.
I’m a massive sports fan - football, cricket, golf and many others. I love playing them and I love watching many of them.
I prefer watching some to others and women’s football to be honest would not be near the top of my list - in a similar way that F1 or rugby league wouldn’t be either.
But I do appreciate that developing the womens game is extremely positive from all kinds of angles - not least of which is the impact it can have on physical and mental health for those increasing number of people who participate or just watch.

And I do regularly check for the Burnley FC Ladies scores and think their development in last couple of years is a good thing for the town. They won 9-0 I think I saw this week in a friendly.