Forest points deduction appeal

[AGENT_CLARET]

Their appeal failed.

If we'd of beaten Newcastle and Sheff Utd had beaten Forest then Forest would of been given 2 or 3 points back today 100%

[FCBurnley]

Where would Forest and Everton have been last season and this without the overspending?

[It Is What It Is]

If only...Muric V Everton and Brighton cock ups ..
Just saying

[Jakubclaret]

Everton are not a rival though, Dyche has them nearly top half if we give them their points back. Forest have only had 4 taken off, which is only 1 more than the swing against us by that Darren England decision at Forest. It is no punishment, they are 7 behind Brentford in 16th so won’t even lose prize money.

So really I don’t see it as a sad indictment on us. We should still have got more points of course, that IS on us, no doubts, but the deduction thing was a mild slap on the wrist, no more.

Position wise in terms of the threat of relegation they have been very much so. Any club from palace downwards really throughout the season have been in contention even though palace have had an upturn in form/results when hodgson was there they was on the ropes & very much looked unstable. I've noticed with your posts the focus is very much on the hard done by card scenario but that applies to every team getting decisions they thought they should have had it's not been plain sailing for everybody.

[kentonclaret]

If we are down but Luton could survive, I suspect we will pragmatically throw the game. I ain’t watching it for that reason too.

With only 2 home wins and 11 defeats all season in all honesty I don’t think that will require any changes to be made by Kompany or the team.

[AGENT_CLARET]

If only...Muric V Everton and Brighton cock ups ..
Just saying

If only Muric had played all season we'd be at least 10 point's above the drop zone.. Just saying

[Winstonswhite]

Where would Forest and Everton have been last season and this without the overspending?

I thought Forests charge was to do with the timing of Johnsons sale to Spurs- so they’d be in exactly the same position.

[AmbleClaret]

If we'd of beaten Newcastle and Sheff Utd had beaten Forest then Forest would of been given 2 or 3 points back today 100%

If of was have?

[Jakubclaret]

I thought Forests charge was to do with the timing of Johnsons sale to Spurs- so they’d be in exactly the same position.

Not much in it they went over delaying the sale refusing unacceptable offers by the time they did accept it was over. I'm not sure how it's going to finish by the final reckonings but I'm sure some ammo will be left in the tank working out some of a calculation how the authorities have diddled us even with a 11 gap.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Position wise in terms of the threat of relegation they have been very much so. Any club from palace downwards really throughout the season have been in contention even though palace have had an upturn in form/results when hodgson was there they was on the ropes & very much looked unstable. I've noticed with your posts the focus is very much on the hard done by card scenario but that applies to every team getting decisions they thought they should have had it's not been plain sailing for everybody.

Just seen this reply belatedly.

My point was the ref errors in our games against Luton and Forest. Other than those we would have beaten all the bottom three (apart from us) home and away, which flies a bit in the face of the “5 wins all season” argument. Our team is good at hoovering up bad opposition, but collapses against better opposition.

I’m happy to accept all other games balance out, but given we could also name 10 other games where we were hard done by I don’t think it is fair to say they balance out even if we include the above two matches.

The other thing I’ve posted recently is to clarify that reason 1 we are going down is we haven’t been good enough - transfers, tactics, selections, performances. Reason 2 is officiating but the main reason is our own mistakes. So you are right, I think we are hard done by, but also self inflicted.

[Jakubclaret]

Just seen this reply belatedly.

My point was the ref errors in our games against Luton and Forest. Other than those we would have beaten all the bottom three (apart from us) home and away, which flies a bit in the face of the “5 wins all season” argument. Our team is good at hoovering up bad opposition, but collapses against better opposition.

I’m happy to accept all other games balance out, but given we could also name 10 other games where we were hard done by I don’t think it is fair to say they balance out even if we include the above two matches.

The other thing I’ve posted recently is to clarify that reason 1 we are going down is we haven’t been good enough - transfers, tactics, selections, performances. Reason 2 is officiating but the main reason is our own mistakes. So you are right, I think we are hard done by, but also self inflicted.

We see how it finishes up I suspect you like many will still find cause to complain whatever the gap. Even if you make allowances & subscribe to the hard done to bit we'll still be a distance off. You say it's officiating errors because you don't agree with the decisions but the Luton equaliser it was that disputed over 30% in a BBC poll thought the goal should have stood. At the end of the day that's a significant number of impartial people with no bias & no axes to grind.

[boatshed bill]

Roll on next season, when Forest's legal team engineer a European qualification.

[CrosspoolClarets]

We see how it finishes up I suspect you like many will still find cause to complain whatever the gap. Even if you make allowances & subscribe to the hard done to bit we'll still be a distance off. You say it's officiating errors because you don't agree with the decisions but the Luton equaliser it was that disputed over 30% in a BBC poll thought the goal should have stood. At the end of the day that's a significant number of impartial people with no bias & no axes to grind.

Without doubt we will be a distance off everybody apart from Forest and rightly so. There is a genuine bottom 4, all poor teams. Whoever survives will be darn lucky. I simply suggest that Forest are no better than us (a team we have “beaten” twice, both away).

On the Luton goal though. virtually all pundits and experts said it was a foul (otherwise they could all do it every week). But as you say 30% of fans thought it a goal, which if I recall was due to the keeper going down in instalments. For me it was a foul, 100%, but a more experienced keeper would ensure it looked a foul as well. A good example of how our inexperience shoots us in the foot.

[Jakubclaret]

Without doubt we will be a distance off everybody apart from Forest and rightly so. There is a genuine bottom 4, all poor teams. Whoever survives will be darn lucky. I simply suggest that Forest are no better than us (a team we have “beaten” twice, both away).

On the Luton goal though. virtually all pundits and experts said it was a foul (otherwise they could all do it every week). But as you say 30% of fans thought it a goal, which if I recall was due to the keeper going down in instalments. For me it was a foul, 100%, but a more experienced keeper would ensure it looked a foul as well. A good example of how our inexperience shoots us in the foot.

I haven't heard the pundits opinions on the goal apart from posting a video at the time featuring Martin o Neil & Simon Jordan in disagreement & regarding the experts I'm not sure who can be described as experts. it's purely down to an opinion based on the interpretation of what actually happened you don't need to be an expert to have an opinion anybody can have 1 although the likes of Stevie wonder are probably exempt. Most people on here at the time as I recall said it was a foul but that's no surprise & not really any sort of meaningful indication.

[Hapag Lloyd]

You say it's officiating errors because you don't agree with the decisions but the Luton equaliser it was that disputed over 30% in a BBC poll thought the goal should have stood. At the end of the day that's a significant number of impartial people with no bias & no axes to grind.

Which means 70% of the poll thought it should have been disallowed. At the end of the day that’s a massive majority of impartial people, with no bias and no axe to grind, who voted.

[Jakubclaret]

Which means 70% of the poll thought it should have been disallowed. At the end of the day that’s a massive majority of impartial people, with no bias and no axe to grind, who voted.

It was less than 70% it was over a third, more than 30% of a 100% certainly doesn't leave 70% but as you correctly state it's a majority I wouldn't call it "massive" though.

[northeastclaret]

It was less than 70% it was over a third, more than 30% of a 100% certainly doesn't leave 70% but as you correctly state it's a majority I wouldn't call it "massive" though.

I don’t know what Burnley were officially told , but a premier league official in the northeast that my son knows said within PGMOL it was officially acknowledged and stated to the other referees when they analysed the incident that it should have been disallowed.

It’s sickening because it was so obvious, and that so called ballot of 70%, it was stated before the 30% were probably Luton fans.

[beeholeclaret]

It was less than 70% it was over a third, more than 30% of a 100% certainly doesn't leave 70% but as you correctly state it's a majority I wouldn't call it "massive" though.

I thought the Luton striker watched for our keeper coming out for the cross and then deliberately backed into his path which in the olden days was an indirect free kick for obstruction.

Difficult to see in real time but we know they are all at it pulling shirts, wrestling each other with “shall we dance?” moves. Where do we draw the line.

It’s pathetic and all it takes are a few penalties for grappling and it would stop defenders holding. I appreciate however that the forwards would still get away with the same antics with little punishment.

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t know what Burnley were officially told , but a premier league official in the northeast that my son knows said within PGMOL it was officially acknowledged and stated to the other referees when they analysed the incident that it should have been disallowed.

It’s sickening because it was so obvious, and that so called ballot of 70%, it was stated before the 30% were probably Luton fans.

That still doesn't stop over 30% of the population that voted thinking it wasn't a foul & I couldn't care less what PGMOL think or acknowledge the decisions I've seen all season I'd actually trust the general population more than them & when I mentioned Stevie Wonder earlier we can actually throw him into the equation as well over the PGMOL.

[roperclaret]

That still doesn't stop over 30% of the population that voted thinking it wasn't a foul & I couldn't care less what PGMOL think or acknowledge the decisions I've seen all season I'd actually trust the general population more than them & when I mentioned Stevie Wonder earlier we can actually throw him into the equation as well over the PGMOL.

Not quite sure how you gauge things, but if there’s 10 people in a room, and 7 agree, that’s a fairly massive majority.

[Jakubclaret]

Not quite sure how you gauge things, but if there’s 10 people in a room, and 7 agree, that’s a fairly massive majority.

It's more I accept it's more. It's not conclusive though that something is 100% right when you have them sort of numbers disagreeing.

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t know what Burnley were officially told , but a premier league official in the northeast that my son knows said within PGMOL it was officially acknowledged and stated to the other referees when they analysed the incident that it should have been disallowed.

It’s sickening because it was so obvious, and that so called ballot of 70%, it was stated before the 30% were probably Luton fans.

Deary me I've read before they was blackburn fans rushing to vote after the game at finished so we've got all the fans from Bedford & the surrounding areas making up the 30% ish & no fans from east lancs making up the 70 ish. Would it not be more plausible to just think that across the 100% it includes fans from throughout the leagues mixed.

[Goody1975]

I thought Forests charge was to do with the timing of Johnsons sale to Spurs- so they’d be in exactly the same position.

Not true, they spent beyond the PSR limit but they knew as long as they recouped the money by a certain date they'd fall the right side of the line. They chose not to, citing more profit at a later time beyond the cut off date.

If they wanted to play the game in that way then the alternative was to spend less in the summer window, this would obviously have seen them with a weaker squad, a squad they couldn't have utilised throughout the season.

The other line they were the right side of was the relegation line, this line they were just four points the right side of!!!!

[boatshed bill]

Deary me I've read before they was blackburn fans rushing to vote after the game at finished so we've got all the fans from Bedford & the surrounding areas making up the 30% ish & no fans from east lancs making up the 70 ish. Would it not be more plausible to just think that across the 100% it includes fans from throughout the leagues mixed.

No

[dougcollins]

That still doesn't stop over 30% of the population that voted thinking it wasn't a foul & I couldn't care less what PGMOL think or acknowledge the decisions I've seen all season I'd actually trust the general population more than them & when I mentioned Stevie Wonder earlier we can actually throw him into the equation as well over the PGMOL.

I didn't need a poll to tell me it was a foul.

And I'm not biased.

[Jakubclaret]

I didn't need a poll to tell me it was a foul.

And I'm not biased.

I can't be bothered arguing the toss anymore I've been generous enough letting people get away with the 70 when you are almost touching 65 like I said it's significant but my closing comment is i accept it's a majority before I have to repeat that again.

[northeastclaret]

I can't be bothered arguing the toss anymore I've been generous enough letting people get away with the 70 when you are almost touching 65 like I said it's significant but my closing comment is i accept it's a majority before I have to repeat that again.

Ladies and gentlemen Jacubclaret has now left the building and gone back to his tiny world with his tiny mind.

[Jakubclaret]

Ladies and gentlemen Jacubclaret has now left the building and gone back to his tiny world with his tiny mind.

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Yes that's 70%

[taio]

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Yes that's 70%

I shouldn't be surprised that you are persistently relying on this poll to support a view that it wasn't a foul. Weak in the extreme as usual.

[Jakubclaret]

I shouldn't be surprised that you are persistently relying on this poll to support a view that it wasn't a foul. Weak in the extreme as usual.

The poll supports that something isn't certain & something is doubtful nothing more & nothing less.

[dsr]

Deary me I've read before they was blackburn fans rushing to vote after the game at finished so we've got all the fans from Bedford & the surrounding areas making up the 30% ish & no fans from east lancs making up the 70 ish. Would it not be more plausible to just think that across the 100% it includes fans from throughout the leagues mixed.

No, it would be more plausible to think that the people most likely to vote are the people who are interested. Do you think that Liverpool and Arsenal fans were voting in their thousands?

Self selecting polls are never reliable because, by definition, it's people with a vested interest who take part.

[Jakubclaret]

No, it would be more plausible to think that the people most likely to vote are the people who are interested. Do you think that Liverpool and Arsenal fans were voting in their thousands?

Self selecting polls are never reliable because, by definition, it's people with a vested interest who take part.

We don't know for sure who voted but it's just as reasonable to suggest & believe it's a mixed pool as opposed to die hard luton fans or aggreived Blackburn fans it's just as reasonable to suggest it's BFC fans (some) would have voted also unhappy about conceding.

[taio]

We don't know for sure who voted but it's just as reasonable to suggest & believe it's a mixed pool as opposed to die hard luton fans or aggreived Blackburn fans it's just as reasonable to suggest it's BFC fans (some) would have voted also unhappy about conceding.

It's totally unreliable and meaningless. Certainly not worth banging on about it for a day or more.

[Jakubclaret]

It's totally unreliable and meaningless. Certainly not worth banging on about it for a day or more.

It's only mentioned in fairness when some people bleat on about it being a certain foul & it's clear that a significant MINORITY think otherwise. Have a good evening I must get back to my tiny world with my tiny mind.

[dsr]

We don't know for sure who voted but it's just as reasonable to suggest & believe it's a mixed pool as opposed to die hard luton fans or aggreived Blackburn fans it's just as reasonable to suggest it's BFC fans (some) would have voted also unhappy about conceding.

People who voted are, by definition, those who cared enough to vote. The people who care enough to vote on an incident between Burnley and Luton, are not a mixed pool of supporters.

[Bullabill]

It’s pathetic and all it takes are a few penalties for grappling and it would stop defenders holding. I appreciate however that the forwards would still get away with the same antics with little punishment.

Easy fix, although a bit 'left field', - if the forward offends, give a penalty at the other end. It would stop all that nonsense quick-smart.
If that penalty is missed or saved the game is stopped, and re-started with a goal kick back where the original offence occurred.

[Jakubclaret]

People who voted are, by definition, those who cared enough to vote. The people who care enough to vote on an incident between Burnley and Luton, are not a mixed pool of supporters.

People in general who are interested in football will vote irrespective of whether they vote luton bogner Regis whoever. I'm not sure why we've gone down this road well I am actually it's been inferred that luton or rovers fans are making up the 30 odd percentage, but bizarrely on the other end nobody cares enough even though by rights we are supposed to be the victims (yes it's an headscratcher) to vote the 60 odd percent thus as a result leaving the poll skewed & lopsided because sinister underhand scheming is at play with hardcore hatters & rogue roverites.

[Rick_Muller]

In an unofficial poll of 10 football supporters of various clubs at work which included 3 Luton supporters (I live in Bedford so no surprise as Luton is nearest club) the result was all 10 said it was a foul and the goal should have been disallowed.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it… probably as meaningful/meaningless as the BBC poll

[claretonthecoast1882]

Deary me I've read before they was blackburn fans rushing to vote after the game at finished so we've got all the fans from Bedford & the surrounding areas making up the 30% ish & no fans from east lancs making up the 70 ish. Would it not be more plausible to just think that across the 100% it includes fans from throughout the leagues mixed.

I would imagine there was also a large number of Muric fanboys who voted it wasn't a foul, as we saw on here at the time of the match.

[Jakubclaret]

I would imagine there was also a large number of Muric fanboys who voted it wasn't a foul, as we saw on here at the time of the match.

I recall on here at the time a few forum members thought it wasn't a foul & stated so. I'm not buying into a few people plus the luton mob & the disgruntled rovers have all teamed up & voted in way of the 30 odd percent & nobody (BFC) cares enough or feels it's unjust to vote the other 60 odd percent. My thoughts are a mixed audience have watched the game & have voted accordingly with no sinister motives in play & have voted the way they felt on the night regarding what happened. You could as easily attribute watford fans swinging things the other way but in the main that's work of fiction that's not to say a odd person here or there wouldn't have voted in that machiavellian manner.

[Benson]

I recall on here at the time a few forum members thought it wasn't a foul & stated so.

From memory they were mainly-
Stayingdownforever, Superjohnnyfrancis, Bumba, Westleigh, Carwin and Jamesy.
All of whom seemed to have a weird agenda against Trafford from day one and it surfaced later that at least a couple of them were the same poster.

[Jakubclaret]

From memory they were mainly-
Stayingdownforever, Superjohnnyfrancis, Bumba, Westleigh, Carwin and Jamesy.
All of whom seemed to have a weird agenda against Trafford from day one and it surfaced later that at least a couple of them were the same poster.

Exactly you aren't talking a lot of people & like you say some of them were the same people. I thought it wasn't a foul but I thought man uniteds goal should have stood the other night amongst others all season I think goalies gets too much protection but then if you don't offer some you get them taking more risks & taking people out onana style so a fine line to be drawn. it appears to be more discretionary whether it's given there's no consistency.

[boatshed bill]

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it… probably as meaningful/meaningless as the BBC poll

I like this post, lots

[Jakubclaret]

In an unofficial poll of 10 football supporters of various clubs at work which included 3 Luton supporters (I live in Bedford so no surprise as Luton is nearest club) the result was all 10 said it was a foul and the goal should have been disallowed.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it… probably as meaningful/meaningless as the BBC poll

I totally agree 100% my friends uncles sister in laws nieces friends son also had an unofficial poll regarding controversial goals at a pub called the swarm of hornets in Hertfordshire & they all said the goal should have been disallowed so we are all on the same page smoking this pipe.

[beddie]

Talking of the Luton goal at home. Had the referee been told by VAR to go and look at the incident from the angles they had looked at, the goal would have been disallowed.

[Quicknick]

If only Muric had played all season we'd be at least 10 point's above the drop zone.. Just saying

I doubt it.