Euro 2024

[Newcastleclaret93]

Irrelevant now, but the best centre half performance by an Englishman this season came from Eric Dier. Is a half fit Lewis Dunk better than him? Are Konsa and Guehi?

Not sure there’s many better than Guehi, for me he’s a top top centre half.

[bobinho]

Maguire is injured.

Doesn't normally matter with Southgate…

[ArmchairDetective]

I see this midfield debate if going on still. I'd say the way that the list has been made up, yes the midfield looks pretty weak compared to other teams. But if you include players listed as forwards that you could argue do or can play in midfield then it looks very strong. Not sure it's any more complicated than that

[Big Vinny K]

I see this midfield debate if going on still. I'd say the way that the list has been made up, yes the midfield looks pretty weak compared to other teams. But if you include players listed as forwards that you could argue do or can play in midfield then it looks very strong. Not sure it's any more complicated than that

I was going to post exactly the same thing last night but after seeing a comment that 2 Chelsea rejects playing for an awful AC Milan team are better than Trent A A I thought it was better to bow out of the thread !!

The only real forwards England are taking are Kane, Watkins and Toney.

But main point is that Englands attacking, defensive and box to box midfielders are as good as any other teams - starting eleven players and the bench

[bumba]

I was going to post exactly the same thing last night but after seeing a comment that 2 Chelsea rejects playing for an awful AC Milan team are better than Trent A A I thought it was better to bow out of the thread !!

The only real forwards England are taking are Kane, Watkins and Toney.

But main point is that Englands attacking, defensive and box to box midfielders are as good as any other teams - starting eleven players and the bench

Lying again, I said Loftus-Cheek was a better midfielder than Trent which he is.
Trent isn't a midfielder he'd be completely ineffective against top teams.
Could you really class Tomori as a Chelsea reject? He left to play and plays for one of the biggest clubs in Europe and is playing well.
Is Kane a Spurs reject?

If England played a midfield three of Rice holding with Bellingham and Foden in front we'd match any team in the world whilst they was on the pitch but we do not have the squad depth other countries have which is the debate when people say we have the best squad and best squad depth which we clearly haven't

[warksclaret]

Braithwaite has been one of this seasons stand out defenders. Why Southgate was not letting him play in some of the meaningless friendlies in the lat 4-5 months is beyond me, yet he persisted with Maguire. Now its possible we could start with Dunk (is he international standard) and Stones (who has been injured recently) as our two starting centre halves. I think Southgate had a real task in picking the final squad and he has been brave with his selections,but everyman and his dog knows our real issues are in defence, and I think its in this area we will find ourselves falling short.We will get exposed however good our midfielders and forwards are

[ecc]

I can't be bothered, bumba. You win.

If Wijnaldum - currently plying his trade in Saudi Arabia after a car crash period in France - is better than Rice than fair enough.

[ecc]

You're saying Foden, Bellingham et al are not midfielders but then citing Sané and Griezmann as...midfielders.

[Big Vinny K]

Lying again, I said Loftus-Cheek was a better midfielder than Trent which he is.
Trent isn't a midfielder he'd be completely ineffective against top teams.
Could you really class Tomori as a Chelsea reject? He left to play and plays for one of the biggest clubs in Europe and is playing well.
Is Kane a Spurs reject?

If England played a midfield three of Rice holding with Bellingham and Foden in front we'd match any team in the world whilst they was on the pitch but we do not have the squad depth other countries have which is the debate when people say we have the best squad and best squad depth which we clearly haven't

If you think AC Milan are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are even more clueless about Italian football than English football.
And no Kane is not a spurs reject given he HAS gone to one of the biggest clubs in Europe and a club a lot bigger than Spurs.

[bumba]

If you think AC Milan are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are even more clueless about Italian football than English football.
And no Kane is not a spurs reject given he HAS gone to one of the biggest clubs in Europe and a club a lot bigger than Spurs.

AC Milan aren't one of the biggest clubs in Europe are you being serious?
It's like saying Man Utd aren't still one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Calling someone clueless when your wrong constantly

[bumba]

I can't be bothered, bumba. You win.

If Wijnaldum - currently plying his trade in Saudi Arabia after a car crash period in France - is better than Rice than fair enough.

If you read things properly I didn't say anything about Rice.

[bumba]

You're saying Foden, Bellingham et al are not midfielders but then citing Sané and Griezmann as...midfielders.

Again read the thread properly I said that's how there all down on the admitted squad lists

[Newcastleclaret93]

If you think AC Milan are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are even more clueless about Italian football than English football.
And no Kane is not a spurs reject given he HAS gone to one of the biggest clubs in Europe and a club a lot bigger than Spurs.

Tbf I would say AC Milan are still probably in the top ten biggest teams in Europe.

[KellyClaret]

I was going to post exactly the same thing last night but after seeing a comment that 2 Chelsea rejects playing for an awful AC Milan team are better than Trent A A I thought it was better to bow out of the thread !!

The only real forwards England are taking are Kane, Watkins and Toney.

But main point is that Englands attacking, defensive and box to box midfielders are as good as any other teams - starting eleven players and the bench

I don't think you understand the difference between a forward and a striker

Salah is a good example of someone is not a midfielder nor striker so the term forward is the most appropriate as a general catch all term for an attacking player.

[ŽižkovClaret]

How many fit English Left Back options were there? How far from a call up was our very own Charlie Taylor?

[Newcastleclaret93]

How many fit English Left Back options were there? How far from a call up was our very own Charlie Taylor?

I suspect pretty far down the list.

The likes of Dan burn, Doughty, Colwill, Mitchell probably all ahead of him

[ŽižkovClaret]

I suspect pretty far down the list.

The likes of Dan burn, Doughty, Colwill, Mitchell probably all ahead of him

Aye, he'd sneak into the top 10 i guess, which still feels like a reflection of quite skinny options.

We were bloody spoiled with Ashley Cole weren't we?

[Big Vinny K]

Tbf I would say AC Milan are still probably in the top ten biggest teams in Europe.

Not based on revenues they aren’t. And I know there is the great history of the club but this was in the context of a club who are now signing Tomori and Loftus Cheek and both of them being fairly regular starters (which they wouldn’t be in at least half a dozen English teams)

AC Milan had the 13th highest reported revenues in the most recent set of accounts but that was inflated significantly by a good run in the champions league where they reached the semi finals. The previous year they were 16th in Europe. With them out of the CL last season they will go back to nearer to 16th or even lower in Europe.

They’ve won Serie A only once in the last 15 years and in a number of those years finished outside of the top 4 (quite a lot outside in a few).

Man United have been pretty poor recently but they are still the 5th richest team. AC Milan’s wage bill is dwarfed by the likes of Man United and many other clubs. I’m not sure they are even in the top 20 clubs in Europe by wage bill - which is a massive change from when they ruled Europe in the 1990s and attracted some of the best players in the world.

Van Basten, Gullit, Baggio, Maldini, Baresi, etc

Tomori, Loftus Cheek….quite a difference

[bumba]

Not based on revenues they aren’t. And I know there is the great history of the club but this was in the context of a club who are now signing Tomori and Loftus Cheek and both of them being fairly regular starters (which they wouldn’t be in at least half a dozen English teams)

AC Milan had the 13th highest reported revenues in the most recent set of accounts but that was inflated significantly by a good run in the champions league where they reached the semi finals. The previous year they were 16th in Europe. With them out of the CL last season they will go back to nearer to 16th or even lower in Europe.

They’ve won Serie A only once in the last 15 years and in a number of those years finished outside of the top 4 (quite a lot outside in a few).

Man United have been pretty poor recently but they are still the 5th richest team. AC Milan’s wage bill is dwarfed by the likes of Man United and many other clubs. I’m not sure they are even in the top 20 clubs in Europe by wage bill - which is a massive change from when they ruled Europe in the 1990s and attracted some of the best players in the world.

Van Basten, Gullit, Baggio, Maldini, Baresi, etc

Tomori, Loftus Cheek….quite a difference

Tomori wouldn't get in half a dozen English teams? I presume you mean top teams which is still rubbish. He walks straight in to Villa, United, Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham in fact you could make a case for him starting in any team outside of City and Arsenal.
Loftus-Cheek might not get in as many but neither does Trent in central midfield does he?

It's hard for any club outside the premier league to compete with our clubs from a revenue side of it.
Put AC Milan in the premier league with our money and players would choose them over the majority of other clubs in the league bar the 'big 4'

[Big Vinny K]

Tomori wouldn't get in half a dozen English teams? I presume you mean top teams which is still rubbish. He walks straight in to Villa, United, Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham in fact you could make a case for him starting in any team outside of City and Arsenal.
Loftus-Cheek might not get in as many but neither does Trent in central midfield does he?

It's hard for any club outside the premier league to compete with our clubs from a revenue side of it.
Put AC Milan in the premier league with our money and players would choose them over the majority of other clubs in the league bar the 'big 4'

So put AC Milan in the Premier League and they’d be one of the biggest clubs in Europe again ?

Without their champions league revenue last season they will be a similar size to Eintracht Frankfurt - possibly smaller in total revenues. Even taking out all the English teams they probably won’t be in the top 10 biggest European teams by total revenues.

Your comments on Tomori are clearly just your opinion - even though you say it like it’s a fact. If he was half as good as you say he is there would be a number of clubs in England who could pay a lot more than he is on now and many more in Europe.

He’s not even in an England squad going through it’s weakest period in decades at centre back.

[ecc]

Again read the thread properly I said that's how there all down on the admitted squad lists

That doesn't mean they actually play in midfield. If you can tell me when Griezmann last played midfield I'd be obliged.

[bumba]

That doesn't mean they actually play in midfield. If you can tell me when Griezmann last played midfield I'd be obliged.

Two days ago for France, that's where he's played most of his games for France since Euro 2020

[bumba]

So put AC Milan in the Premier League and they’d be one of the biggest clubs in Europe again ?

Without their champions league revenue last season they will be a similar size to Eintracht Frankfurt - possibly smaller in total revenues. Even taking out all the English teams they probably won’t be in the top 10 biggest European teams by total revenues.

Your comments on Tomori are clearly just your opinion - even though you say it like it’s a fact. If he was half as good as you say he is there would be a number of clubs in England who could pay a lot more than he is on now and many more in Europe.

He’s not even in an England squad going through it’s weakest period in decades at centre back.

442 magazine have AC Milan down as the 7th biggest club in world football not just Europe.
How can I debate something with somebody who says AC Milan aren't a big club.
Do you class Celtic and Rangers as big clubs?
They don't have any revenue but there bigger clubs than the majority of premier league clubs.
Man Utd are one of the biggest clubs in the world but they've let a serial winner in Varane walk away whilst offering Jonny Evans a new deal does that mean there no longer a big club?
Your arguement is all based on revenue, revenue doesn't make a club big or not big.

[ecc]

Two days ago for France, that's where he's played most of his games for France since Euro 2020

Ok, you win.

[MT03ALG]

Mbappé v Dunk is a frightening thought

[CoolClaret]

AC Milan are the second most prestigious team in European football - pretty silly to say that they're Eintracht Frankfurt size.

France's midfield and defence is levels above ours. Rice is a tidy enough footballer as is Mainoo and Wharton but they're levels off Camavinga and Tchouemani.

[bumba]

AC Milan are the second most prestigious team in European football - pretty silly to say that they're Eintracht Frankfurt size.

France's midfield and defence is levels above ours. Rice is a tidy enough footballer as is Mainoo and Wharton but they're levels off Camavinga and Tchouemani.

Rice could push for a starting position in most countries teams but to say no other nation has the strength in depth we have is very naive, Gallagher is in the squad and we're taking Trent as a midfielder it says everything about our midfield

[RVclaret]

Rice has come on leaps and bounds and was probably the best midfielder in the PL this season along with Rodri. Mainoo was MOTM in the FA cup final against City and had links to Madrid, Wharton is wanted by Bayern this summer and now City thought to be interested long term.

Shaw and Walker (or Trent) are as good as anything France have in those positions while Stones, if he can find form & fitness is a key part of the 4 in a row PL winners and last years treble. Issue is our depth in those areas vs France and probably that other cb slot. Make no mistake, our first 11, if fit, is seriously strong and better than it was at the last Euros and World Cup, simply because young players have got better and those previously good young players have been replaced with new good young players.

There’s a good reason we are favourites.

[bumba]

Rice has come on leaps and bounds and was probably the best midfielder in the PL this season along with Rodri. Mainoo was MOTM in the FA cup final against City and had links to Madrid, Wharton is wanted by Bayern this summer and now City thought to be interested long term.

Shaw and Walker (or Trent) are as good as anything France have in those positions while Stones, if he can find form & fitness is a key part of the 4 in a row PL winners and last years treble. Issue is our depth in those areas vs France and probably that other cb slot. Make no mistake, our first 11, if fit, is seriously strong and better than it was at the last Euros and World Cup, simply because young players have got better and those previously good young players have been replaced with new good young players.

There’s a good reason we are favourites.

Our strongest 11 on paper with the right players and formation could be as strong as many other nations, unfortunately our manager won't pick the strongest 11 or will play players out of position.

I don't agree about Luke Shaw either I don't think he's as good as many other left backs going to the Euros

[CoolClaret]

Rice has come on leaps and bounds and was probably the best midfielder in the PL this season along with Rodri. Mainoo was MOTM in the FA cup final against City and had links to Madrid, Wharton is wanted by Bayern this summer and now City thought to be interested long term.

Shaw and Walker (or Trent) are as good as anything France have in those positions while Stones, if he can find form & fitness is a key part of the 4 in a row PL winners and last years treble. Issue is our depth in those areas vs France and probably that other cb slot. Make no mistake, our first 11, if fit, is seriously strong and better than it was at the last Euros and World Cup, simply because young players have got better and those previously good young players have been replaced with new good young players.

There’s a good reason we are favourites.

I think this idea that the PL is the defacto best league in the world is really dumbfoudned tbh - it's certainly played at the highest intensity but as we all know, tournament football in the summer months is very different.

Wharton's a good player and had a few good months - it's only a year since Jack Cork came on at Ewood and totally shut him down.

Lets just relax a little, Camavinga and Tchouemani are ridiculous players.

[gandhisflipflop]

So basically Rice playing in CM? Up against Camavinga and Touchmendi? They'd walk through it.Them 2 were kids in the last world cup and still dominated us.

How have you come to the conclusion that rice would be cm? He can sit infront of the back 4 and Bellingham and Foden would be excellent in cm

[RVclaret]

I think this idea that the PL is the defacto best league in the world is really dumbfoudned tbh - it's certainly played at the highest intensity but as we all know, tournament football in the summer months is very different.

Wharton's a good player and had a few good months - it's only a year since Jack Cork came on at Ewood and totally shut him down.

Lets just relax a little, Camavinga and Tchouemani are ridiculous players.

Rice gets into pretty much every midfield on the planet including Madrid’s over Tchoumani (who is also very good obv).

Cork coming on and flying in with a few tackles during a local derby doesn’t really tell me much tbh, I’d rather focus on the rest of that game when it was clear he was a level above everyone else on the pitch.

[bumba]

Rice gets into pretty much every midfield on the planet including Madrid’s over Tchoumani (who is also very good obv).

Cork coming on and flying in with a few tackles during a local derby doesn’t really tell me much tbh, I’d rather focus on the rest of that game when it was clear he was a level above everyone else on the pitch.

No doubting Wharton's potential I was one of the ones saying how good he were against us that day, I rate him a lot but I'd be surprised if he went in now and dominated against any of the top national teams

[NottsClaret]

We were bloody spoiled with Ashley Cole weren't we?

He was the best in the world for a while. Hardly a secret I know, but he doesn't get mentioned half as much as his England peers from that time. Even back then it was often some bull**** about 'Cashley' or his missus.

[Big Vinny K]

442 magazine have AC Milan down as the 7th biggest club in world football not just Europe.
How can I debate something with somebody who says AC Milan aren't a big club.
Do you class Celtic and Rangers as big clubs?
They don't have any revenue but there bigger clubs than the majority of premier league clubs.
Man Utd are one of the biggest clubs in the world but they've let a serial winner in Varane walk away whilst offering Jonny Evans a new deal does that mean there no longer a big club?
Your arguement is all based on revenue, revenue doesn't make a club big or not big.

I didn’t say they weren’t a big club - I said they were no longer one of the biggest clubs in Europe in the context of their spend on players, wage bill and total revenues.

You can twist things all you want - it’s what you love to do. You crack on.

In the context this came up - ie players like Tomori and Loftus Cheek - the facts are that as a club they now struggle to compete with a lot of the big clubs in Europe.
I already said they had a fantastic history and a big fan base (it’s not the biggest in Italy but it’s still worldwide).

I get this is because other leagues like ours have much bigger TV deals but clearly it was not always like this and Serie A was once the biggest league, attracting the best players and the highest revenue, wages etc. And at that time AC Milan were undoubtedly in the top few clubs in the world by most measures,

I’m assuming the 4-4-2 article was defining the clubs on a number of factors - and I wouldn’t disagree with that in terms of history, trophies etc.

You quote 4-4-2. I quoted Deloittes which is factual and based on financial information only (as I have said repeatedly but I know this is an area you struggle on)

Coolclaret - the eintracht Frankfurt comparison was based on total revenues in the last couple of seasons - nothing more.

[CoolClaret]

Rice gets into pretty much every midfield on the planet including Madrid’s over Tchoumani (who is also very good obv).

Cork coming on and flying in with a few tackles during a local derby doesn’t really tell me much tbh, I’d rather focus on the rest of that game when it was clear he was a level above everyone else on the pitch.

Wharton was great in that game, you're missing my point. He's fresh and had a purple patch playing some good stuff in the PL in a new system under Glasner that has really taken the PL by storm.

He hasn't played or performed at the elite level yet, he could do really well, but if he struggles with intensity from a Derby game (and I get it he was a v young lad at the time), with Camavinga flying in, then it's a different story.

I just think we tend to really overrate our players and their abilities. Talks of this being 'the best England squad ever'... I mean, really? Left back might not even be fit till the quarters/semis and the centre halves are hardly inspiring.

[CoolClaret]

I thin Serie A is trickier than given credit for - it lacks intensity but it is very, very tactical and is played at a pace more similar to tournament football.

Atalanta did a proper job on Leverkusen in the Europa league final - there's good players all around, even if we aren't super familiar with them.

[RVclaret]

Wharton was great in that game, you're missing my point. He's fresh and had a purple patch playing some good stuff in the PL in a new system under Glasner that has really taken the PL by storm.

He hasn't played or performed at the elite level yet, he could do really well, but if he struggles with intensity from a Derby game (and I get it he was a v young lad at the time), with Camavinga flying in, then it's a different story.

I just think we tend to really overrate our players and their abilities. Talks of this being 'the best England squad ever'... I mean, really? Left back might not even be fit till the quarters/semis and the centre halves are hardly inspiring.

Not sure anyone’s saying Wharton will dominate games at the elite level yet. More that it’s refreshing to see an English midfielder with his profile and given his form/rise/calmness I wouldn’t rule out him having a good tourn. On the other hand Mainoo just got MOTM against one of the worlds best teams and MOTM on his full England debut. I think he’ll start Trent alongside Rice and Bellingham anyway.

It’s probably the best squad we’ve had under Southgate and we’ve been within a penalty of winning the Euros before, so clearly reason for optimism. However left back is obv an issue with Shaw not being fully fit.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I thin Serie A is trickier than given credit for - it lacks intensity but it is very, very tactical and is played at a pace more similar to tournament football.

Atalanta did a proper job on Leverkusen in the Europa league final - there's good players all around, even if we aren't super familiar with them.

Atalanta also destroyed Liverpool under one of the Prem's greatest managers ever (granted it was one half of a city that gave him that title) in the same cup while finishing below AC. They also knocked Newcastle out of champs league this season

[CoolClaret]

Not sure anyone’s saying Wharton will dominate games at the elite level yet. More that it’s refreshing to see an English midfielder with his profile and given his form/rise/calmness I wouldn’t rule out him having a good tourn. On the other hand Mainoo just got MOTM against one of the worlds best teams and MOTM on his full England debut. I think he’ll start Trent alongside Rice and Bellingham anyway.

It’s probably the best squad we’ve had under Southgate and we’ve been within a penalty of winning the Euros before, so clearly reason for optimism. However left back is obv an issue with Shaw not being fully fit.

I like Wharton - he definitely could be that sort of player.

Yeah I just don't see why play Trent in midfield? His crossfield balls/ crosses in from fullback for Liverpool when they were dominant were incredible. It might work in midfield against teams that we expect to dominate but I think we will come unstuck against vs better sides.

For me if we play him it has to be at fullback or wingback. If he is at fullback though, you then need a different type of midfielder to play Hendo's old Liverpool role, sort of shuttling about and providing defensive cover for him, and a centre half that can come across and defend one on ones in space. Gallagher fits that profile for me in midfield and I wouldn't be averse to playing Kyle and Stones together at the back in all honesty.

[bumba]

I didn’t say they weren’t a big club - I said they were no longer one of the biggest clubs in Europe in the context of their spend on players, wage bill and total revenues.

You can twist things all you want - it’s what you love to do. You crack on.

In the context this came up - ie players like Tomori and Loftus Cheek - the facts are that as a club they now struggle to compete with a lot of the big clubs in Europe.
I already said they had a fantastic history and a big fan base (it’s not the biggest in Italy but it’s still worldwide).

I get this is because other leagues like ours have much bigger TV deals but clearly it was not always like this and Serie A was once the biggest league, attracting the best players and the highest revenue, wages etc. And at that time AC Milan were undoubtedly in the top few clubs in the world by most measures,

I’m assuming the 4-4-2 article was defining the clubs on a number of factors - and I wouldn’t disagree with that in terms of history, trophies etc.

You quote 4-4-2. I quoted Deloittes which is factual and based on financial information only (as I have said repeatedly but I know this is an area you struggle on)

Coolclaret - the eintracht Frankfurt comparison was based on total revenues in the last couple of seasons - nothing more.

'If you think AC Milan are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are even more clueless about Italian football than English football.'

The above sentence is what you wrote at first quite clearly stating AC Milan aren't a big club anymore, yet your first sentence in your last post claims you didn't say they weren't a big club?

And I'm the one twisting things......ok then.

[Rileybobs]

Arguments about who is or isn’t a big club or which is the biggest club are not only boring but completely pointless because there is no defined metric to determine the size of a club.

[equinox]

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A tiny Ant would see this Club as massive but an Elephant would barely notice it.

[Big Vinny K]

'If you think AC Milan are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are even more clueless about Italian football than English football.'

The above sentence is what you wrote at first quite clearly stating AC Milan aren't a big club anymore, yet your first sentence in your last post claims you didn't say they weren't a big club?

And I'm the one twisting things......ok then.

It’s not only numbers you struggle with then - it’s reading too.
I said they were not one of the biggest clubs in Europe anymore but that does not mean they are not a big club.
Is it that difficult to understand ?
Of course literally speaking you could be the 50th biggest club in Europe and you would still be “one of the” biggest clubs (one of the biggest 50 !)

If you think AC Milan with the a wage bill out of the top 20 in Europe and buying a couple of players who couldn’t get near the Chelsea team are one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are entitled to your opinion.

And before you start mentioning Celtic, Rangers, Preston North End’s FA cup wins at the end of the 19th century the original comment I made was in the context of their spend on players and their total revenues (and all the other metrics Deloittes uses rather than your Shoot magazine ratings)

[TheFamilyCat]

Arguments about who is or isn’t a big club or which is the biggest club are not only boring but completely pointless because there is no defined metric to determine the size of a club.

Pointless but very funny watching grown men bickering about it.

[bumba]

It’s not only numbers you struggle with then - it’s reading too.
I said they were not one of the biggest clubs in Europe anymore but that does not mean they are not a big club.
Is it that difficult to understand ?
Of course literally speaking you could be the 50th biggest club in Europe and you would still be “one of the” biggest clubs (one of the biggest 50 !)

If you think AC Milan with the a wage bill out of the top 20 in Europe and buying a couple of players who couldn’t get near the Chelsea team are one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are entitled to your opinion.

And before you start mentioning Celtic, Rangers, Preston North End’s FA cup wins at the end of the 19th century the original comment I made was in the context of their spend on players and their total revenues (and all the other metrics Deloittes uses rather than your Shoot magazine ratings)

Keep digging

[bumba]

It’s not only numbers you struggle with then - it’s reading too.
I said they were not one of the biggest clubs in Europe anymore but that does not mean they are not a big club.
Is it that difficult to understand ?
Of course literally speaking you could be the 50th biggest club in Europe and you would still be “one of the” biggest clubs (one of the biggest 50 !)

If you think AC Milan with the a wage bill out of the top 20 in Europe and buying a couple of players who couldn’t get near the Chelsea team are one of the biggest clubs in Europe then you are entitled to your opinion.

And before you start mentioning Celtic, Rangers, Preston North End’s FA cup wins at the end of the 19th century the original comment I made was in the context of their spend on players and their total revenues (and all the other metrics Deloittes uses rather than your Shoot magazine ratings)

Forbes has them down as the 14th most valuable club in world football

[bumba]

It’s not only numbers you struggle with then - it’s reading too.

AC Milan were the 2nd biggest spenders in serie A in the 23/24 season, so your good with numbers and reading yeah?

[ArmchairDetective]

Am I right in saying we only have two clarets at the Euro's...

Amdouni
Weghorst (if you count him as a Claret)

Or am I missing some?

Aware Jacob Brunn Larsen is also there but nothing confirmed about his future yet.

[ArmchairDetective]

Am I right in saying we only have two clarets at the Euro's...

Amdouni
Weghorst (if you count him as a Claret)

Or am I missing some?

Aware Jacob Brunn Larsen is also there but nothing confirmed about his future yet.

Sorry, looks like I killed this thread by mentioning the euros. Should I have discussed Serie A too?