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Grimsdale · Post by **Grimsdale** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:40 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Has anyone seen a picture of Heaton in Portugal,or is he in Birmingham...genuine question.

Pretty sure that's him in the background:

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:45 pm

Nah that’s definitely the manager, Sean Dyche. You can tell by the water bottle. We must have just scored.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:53 pm

Heaton is shown clearly shown training in Portugal on a number of videos and photos released by the club today. However, as quickly as Rodriguez arrived it is plausible that Heaton could leave in similar fashion and be back in England within a couple of hours.

I really do think it’ll be a big blow if he leaves- he’s our best keeper by a mile.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:10 pm

burnmark wrote:I really do think it’ll be a big blow if he leaves- he’s our best keeper by a mile.

I totally agree with that

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:15 pm

The Pope new contract surprised me. I’d wrongly assumed that he would be the one we cashed in for and that Tom would likely see out his days with us.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:36 pm

Tom's injury, read it was a lot worse than the Pope one...could that be the reasoning behind maybe him not getting the contract offer he wanted....just a thought.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I totally agree with that

I partially agree with it. He would be a big loss as he has been fantastic for us. However IF Pope continues from where he was pre injury then Heaton is certainly not miles better and I'm not even sure he's the better keeper.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:42 pm

Goobs wrote:I partially agree with it. He would be a big loss as he has been fantastic for us. However IF Pope continues from where he was pre injury then Heaton is certainly not miles better and I'm not even sure he's the better keeper.

We will all have opinions on this, and we will choose one or the other, but I think Tom is technically the best of all our goalkeepers.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:47 pm

I don't think Tom Heaton has ever got to the level Pope did in 17/18 over the the long period but we can't be sure if Pope will get back to it.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:49 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I don't think Tom Heaton has ever got to the level Pope did in 17/18 over the the long period but we can't be sure if Pope will get back to it.

Utter rubbish. Tom has been consistently excellent since he arrived.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We will all have opinions on this, and we will choose one or the other, but I think Tom is technically the best of all our goalkeepers.

You are right definitely a split of opinions over all three of them. I agree with Heaton being technically better than the other two (just) but Pope has a big advantage over him that you can't train and that's size which helps with his shot stopping and aerial ability.

Would be gutted to lose either if one does go but the one thing Heaton has that would have me wanting to keep him most is the proven track record of being a fantastic performer, leader and role model.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:52 pm

If Utd keeper is worth 75mil, then 10 is ridiculous for Tom.

That said Tom is our best keeper by a country mile, and for me looking at Popes cameo appearance last season in the cup, (and yes the only game I had seen him in since his injury, he was far from the form in his glory season,) so I just hope he isn't another who wont get back to how he was, or that 10mil might just be the most costliest mistake we have made.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:52 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Utter rubbish. Tom has been consistently excellent since he arrived.

Those two points are not mutually exclusive. You are right but IMO so is QTT.

BFC123 · Post by **BFC123** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:54 pm

I’m a big fan of Heaton, but we had our best ever defensive record in the Premier League with Pope in goal and that was largely down to him commanding his area so much that the defence had far less to do. Heaton is definitely the better keeper technically and pulls off more “wonder saves” than Pope, but Pope’s size made us look more comfortable at the back.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:54 pm

Goobs wrote:Those two points are not mutually exclusive. You are right but IMO so is QTT.

He really isn't.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:00 am

Steve1956 wrote:Has anyone seen a picture of Heaton in Portugal,or is he in Birmingham...genuine question.

From the Tom Heaton thread...

tarkys_ears wrote:https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... 5959088128

Vids a bit low quality but im 99% sure thats him on the left

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:02 am

fidelcastro wrote:He really isn't.

The 7th place finish might act as a fact to back up our opinions.

I like Tom as a keeper, he's been good for us. Excellent is going over the top somewhat though.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:12 am

Steve1956 wrote:Has anyone seen a picture of Heaton in Portugal,or is he in Birmingham...genuine question.

If you happen to have Instagram and follow the official
Burnley account, there’s footage of him training with the other keepers.

However, in this day and age it means nothing as he could be back in the UK within hours and much of the negotiation can be done without the need for face to face meetings between the player and club officials.

I’ve posted elsewhere on this messageboard why I believe keeping a happy, playing Heaton is so important but keeping a player against his best wishes is not good for team spirit.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:38 am

I’d be happy to start either but Tom’s major weakness is coming for crosses and this is Nick’s top asset. Shot stopping there is very little in them.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:44 am

Gonzalo has had his say

Wirvine · Post by **Wirvine** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:45 am

Pope is the future. Would love to keep Tom but from a purely financial point we have to cash in on him now. He will only devalue sitting on the bench.

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:49 am

Goobs wrote:You are right definitely a split of opinions over all three of them. I agree with Heaton being technically better than the other two (just) but Pope has a big advantage over him that you can't train and that's size which helps with his shot stopping and aerial ability.

Would be gutted to lose either if one does go but the one thing Heaton has that would have me wanting to keep him most is the proven track record of being a fantastic performer, leader and role model.

Agree about the leader & role model but don't think Heaton is technically better as they have different techniques, particularly when diving across goal. Pope dives with his legs together making his body parallel to the ground, like an Olympic diver, similar technique to Pickford. Heaton has his legs more open, similar to Hart, often going with one hand to stretch his reach. Pope has also got slimmer hips & longer legs which seems to give him quicker feet, so he makes more saves with his feet, as does De Gea & to some extent, Pickford.
Sorry to be boring, just an observation, doesn't make one better than the other, just different IMHO.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:36 am

I agree that Tom is technically the better keeper and he is my favourite of the three.

But, we conceded a number of late goals last season which didn't happened less when pope was in goal because his size commanded the area in those periods of extreme pressure. His ratio of goals conceded supports this.

So, if Pope can return to his form of 17-18, he must be the one. The club obviously think so.

No room for sentiment in this game

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:53 am

Down_Rover wrote:No room for sentiment in this game

Sentiment is why we're all here, isn't it?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:09 am

As CTs goalkeeping expert adviser, I can verify that Heaton's experience makes him 'technically' better than Pope.

However, overall, Pope's ability on crosses in the pen area, outweighs that, in value to our sometimes beleaguered defence.

Pope will also gain in experience. He is the better keeper, for Burnley.

lakesider · Post by **lakesider** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:24 am

Interesting opinions around the respective skills of each goalkeeper but I think Vegas claret has nailed it. Our fortunes turned when Tom came back, not only because of his goalkeeping prowess but because we got our captain back on the field.Massive confidence boost all around including the defence. If we lose him who do you think should pick up the role? Ben is a bit too quiet on the field for my liking. Based on the scant knowledge of a supporter I would look at Bardsley, Ashley or even Defour if he can stay fit.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:31 am

lakesider wrote:Interesting opinions around the respective skills of each goalkeeper but I think Vegas claret has nailed it. Our fortunes turned when Tom came back, not only because of his goalkeeping prowess but because we got our captain back on the field.Massive confidence boost all around including the defence. If we lose him who do you think should pick up the role? Ben is a bit too quiet on the field for my liking. Based on the scant knowledge of a supporter I would look at Bardsley, Ashley or even Defour if he can stay fit.

Sorry, but Defour is a terrible shout for captain.

lakesider · Post by **lakesider** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:39 am

Yes, was scraping the barrel a bit there. Problem still remains though if Tom goes.........

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:42 am

lakesider wrote:Yes, was scraping the barrel a bit there. Problem still remains though if Tom goes.........

Mee would seem the obvious choice to me - failing that, Westwood.

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:15 pm

I seem to recall that Westwood was made captain of Crewe when he was still very young, perhaps even a teenager.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:16 pm

Surely Tarks for captain if he stays?

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:20 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote:Surely Tarks for captain if he stays?

That might appeal to him. A reason for staying?

lakesider · Post by **lakesider** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:40 pm

Good call

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:42 pm

We are lucky to have both Tom and Nick. Both have been outstanding. Losing either of them will be a blow.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:55 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote:Surely Tarks for captain if he stays?

I’m sure Ben Mee would love that.

Going into his 9th season with us and doesn’t get the armband.

Should and almost certainly would be him.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:01 pm

It effected Ben when he was handed the captaincy after the event of Heatons injury
It seem to put unwanted pressure on him

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:06 pm

Longside4evr wrote:It effected Ben when he was handed the captaincy after the event of Heatons injury
It seem to put unwanted pressure on him

As he captained us from Sep- season end and we finished 7th it didn’t affect him that much.
Last season more was going on than who wore the armband.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:14 pm

no bids in for Heaton-calm down!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:38 pm

Erasmus wrote:I seem to recall that Westwood was made captain of Crewe when he was still very young, perhaps even a teenager.

Defour was captain at Standard Liege at 19 when they won the title. (Although a captain who plays may be more useful.)

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:38 pm

Sky reporting Burnley and Newcastle amongst several clubs interested in 16yo striker Mipo Odubeko. He has rejected a new contract at ManU.

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:46 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sky reporting Burnley and Newcastle amongst several clubs interested in 16yo striker Mipo Odubeko. He has rejected a new contract at ManU.

A ManU supporting mate mentioned that Monday, thought he was taking the urine at our (then) lack of transfer activity

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:47 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sky reporting Burnley and Newcastle amongst several clubs interested in 16yo striker Mipo Odubeko. He has rejected a new contract at ManU.

Bayern Munich also interested.

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:36 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Bayern Munich also interested.

Bye bye, Mipo

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:00 pm

Do we think that will be our business done now for the first team squad? Unless Tarks or Gibson leave I think that will be it for us.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:06 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Do we think that will be our business done now for the first team squad? Unless Tarks or Gibson leave I think that will be it for us.

Boden ppsted this earlier .SD looking to add further signings after Pieters and Jay Rod: "We've corrected the balance in terms of who's left and who we've brought in, and now we're looking to see if we can strengthen further, or make us more flexible

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:13 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Boden ppsted this earlier .SD looking to add further signings after Pieters and Jay Rod: "We've corrected the balance in terms of who's left and who we've brought in, and now we're looking to see if we can strengthen further, or make us more flexible

Apart from maybe centre mid our squad looks pretty well balanced to me.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:18 pm

I am pretty certain Tom will not leave us, certainly not this transfer window...... unless someone comes up with a fair bit more than 10 million...

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:19 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Apart from maybe centre mid our squad looks pretty well balanced to me.

It ain't a maybe. Also we have too many 1 st choice keepers and for his career Wells needs to move on. Can see Vydra wanting to go as well. If so we need a young fast striker.

Biggest concerns are a new Defour and if Tarks goes.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:30 pm

Our squad does look balanced in terms of numbers and having cover in every position. What we need to do if at all possible is look for better players than we already have.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:48 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:What we need to do if at all possible is look for better players than we already have.

That’s one hell of a transfer strategy.