Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Burnley Ace]

What is your bizarre obsession with the sun?

I’m trying to make it really really simple for you. I notice you didn’t the question, just a bit of squirming and avoidance!

Let’s get back to it - what would happen to a space rocket if it was flown into the sun? Tick Tock

What makes you think that would happen as it’s never been done before? Tick Tock

Really simple, don’t worry about Brexit questions, let’s do the easy ones first.

[martin_p]

1 I'm only asking posters to provide what THEY claimed to have. So far none have. Just short term or reversible business decisions or events.

Actually Wrongo, even using your own arguments, businesses withdrawing from the U.K. is PROOF that they weren’t engaging in ‘Project Fear’ when they said Brexit would cause them to leave the country. You saying they may be short term, reversible decisions is just an opinion based on zero evidence.

[thatdberight]

No, it wasn't. And the reason you thought i'd say that is because you knew you were wrong, you knew why you were wrong, and yet you continued to post your dumb wrong post.

I had a feeling you'd say that too. Predictably enough.

[RingoMcCartney]

It’s a pity he did not write a song called “lying belmtard” as that would have been perfect for you.

I agreed with you on the point that nobody is diasagreeing with you....whereas you are the only f-ucktard who is saying you cannot base an opinion on evidence.

Eh but you carry on lying - it’s clearly how you get your kicks you weirdo

Your doing what all the Remoaners do.

ASSUMING what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions or events, as EVIDENCE. Then making a PREDICTION or having an OPINION based on on it.

But without the benefit of the passage of time you simply cannot judge whether it was indeed EVIDENCE.

You cannot see into the future.

Check the Lazerus video out. You'll find bedfellow featured in it.








The Blind Prophet......

[RingoMcCartney]

So opinions can't be based on evidence is that your point? go look that up on wiki you may learn something.
Why would I need time travel to provide any evidence, I would only need it for proof?

All we have proven so far is you don't understand the concept of evidence, opinion based eveidence and unstanding proof.

Course opinions can be based on evidence. But Remoaners constantly make the assumption that what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions is EVIDENCE may not turn to be anything of the sort.

And once again, I know you're claiming to be impartial, but provide an example of evidence or proof that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

If as I suspect you either can't or won't.

Can you please explain why a steady stream of Remoaners on this message board have claimed they have evidence?

[Burnley Ace]

Come on Ringo, Tick Tock, stop avoiding the easy questions!! People will think you have something to hide!!

[martin_p]

Your doing what all the Remoaners do.

ASSUMING what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions or events, as EVIDENCE. Then making a PREDICTION or having an OPINION based on on it.

But without the benefit of the passage of time you simply cannot judge whether it was indeed EVIDENCE.

You cannot see into the future.

Check the Lazerus video out. You'll find bedfellow featured in it.








The Blind Prophet......

I’m just going to do what you do Wrongo and post a previous reply.

Actually Wrongo, even using your own arguments, businesses withdrawing from the U.K. is PROOF that they weren’t engaging in ‘Project Fear’ when they said Brexit would cause them to leave the country. You saying they may be short term, reversible decisions is just an opinion based on zero evidence.

[RingoMcCartney]

I’m trying to make it really really simple for you. I notice you didn’t the question, just a bit of squirming and avoidance!

Let’s get back to it - what would happen to a space rocket if it was flown into the sun? Tick Tock

What makes you think that would happen as it’s never been done before? Tick Tock

Really simple, don’t worry about Brexit questions, let’s do the easy ones first.

You may think your trying make it really really simple for me. However, your only managing to sound really really silly.

If you were to expose an object , a space rocket, to the , around ,10000 Fahrenheit of the sun, it would melt, boil or evaporate.

Nobody has done it before.

But there is scientifically proven past evidence that shows that would happen.

Nobody has ever left the EU before.

There is no scientifically proven past evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Just opinions based on predictions or forecasts. Or assumptions that, what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions or events are in themselves evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

So I'll ask you again to provide your evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

[RingoMcCartney]

If it helps you - my comments are EVIDENCE yours are opinion.

As long as it's not supposition, presupposition, presumption, premise, belief, expectation, conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, theory, hypothesis, postulation, deduction, inference, thought, suspicion, assumptions, projections, scenarios given varying criteria, predictions, assumptions and forecasts.







Provide it.....

[martin_p]

Just opinions based on predictions or forecasts. Or assumptions that, what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions or events are in themselves evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

So I'll ask you again to provide your evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Actually Wrongo, even using your own arguments, businesses withdrawing from the U.K. is PROOF that they weren’t engaging in ‘Project Fear’ when they said Brexit would cause them to leave the country. You saying they may be short term, reversible decisions is just an opinion based on zero evidence.

[RingoMcCartney]

Come on Ringo, Tick Tock, stop avoiding the easy questions!! People will think you have something to hide!!

Quite the impatient one aren't we!


See above.

[martin_p]

Quite the impatient one aren't we!


See above.

Yes, directly above.

‘Actually Wrongo, even using your own arguments, businesses withdrawing from the U.K. is PROOF that they weren’t engaging in ‘Project Fear’ when they said Brexit would cause them to leave the country. You saying they may be short term, reversible decisions is just an opinion based on zero evidence.’

[RingoMcCartney]

Lying again you dumb pri-ck.
Show me exactly where I have done what you have said above.
Not only are you fuc-king stupid but you just make sh-it up constantly.

The only positive thing about this thread is that if anyone was in any doubt how much of a belmtard Wrongo is they won’t be any more....this thread is definitive EVIDENCE

Deary me. You really are a very angry and increasingly abusive poster. What's noticeable is that you had to edit this vitriol filled, personal abuse soaked rant, 4 times before you were satisfied with its content!

[TVC15]

Deary me. You really are a very angry and increasingly abusive poster. What's noticeable is that you had to edit this vitriol filled, personal abuse soaked rant, 4 times before you were satisfied with its content!

And yet you still cannot provide any response to your lies.
As I said previously you continue to lie and i’ll continue to abuse you....because any real debate is completely wasted on somebody who just makes sh-it up.

[RingoMcCartney]

Actually Wrongo, even using your own arguments, businesses withdrawing from the U.K. is PROOF that they weren’t engaging in ‘Project Fear’ when they said Brexit would cause them to leave the country. You saying they may be short term, reversible decisions is just an opinion based on zero evidence.

As you know marty, the term "project fear" was coined for a whole plethora of claims made by the Remain side.
And when most of them failed to materialise, and they were called out as the liars they clearly were. Guess what!? The Remoaners glibly passed off what had previously been promises as, yes you guessed it! They passed them of as "Just predictions" , "Just forecasts"

However, if certain individual companies have made business decisions due to economic uncertainty, having previously saying they would. Then clearly, in those cases, given the benefit of time perspective and hindsight. It may have been unfair to label their threats to leave as "project fear"

But it's only the passage of time that has allowed to come to that conclusion.

Looking at the bigger picture, it's far to early to say whether short term or reversible business decisions are actual EVIDENCE that brexit will brexit will have a either a negative or positive impact on the uk.

As you and I both know that we haven't left yet.

[martin_p]

As you know marty, the term "project fear" was coined for a whole plethora of claims made by the Remain side.
And when most of them failed to materialise, and they were called out as the liars they clearly were. Guess what!? The Remoaners glibly passed off what had previously been promises as, yes you guessed it! They passed them of as "Just predictions" , "Just forecasts"

However, if certain individual companies have made business decisions due to economic uncertainty, having previously saying they would. Then clearly, in those cases, given the benefit of time perspective and hindsight. It may have been unfair to label their threats to leave as "project fear"

But it's only the passage of time that has allowed to come to that conclusion.

Looking at the bigger picture, it's far to early to say whether short term or reversible business decisions are actual EVIDENCE that brexit will brexit will have a either a negative or positive impact on the uk.

As you and I both know that we haven't left yet.

It’s evidence that it’s starting to have a negative effect. By the way, keep calling these decisions ‘short term or reversible’ doesn’t make it true.

[RingoMcCartney]

It’s evidence that it’s starting to have a negative effect. By the way, keep calling these decisions ‘short term or reversible’ doesn’t make it true.

Assuming that they are EVIDENCE of long term, irreversible or more importantly, irreplaceable with other industries is a fundamental mistake.

And it's that fundamental mistake that Remoaners keep on making.

Only once we've actually left will we be afforded the luxury of hindsight to judge whether or not they were short term, long term, reversible irreversible, replaceable or irreplaceable.

Unless that is, you get out the keys to the Delorean marty

[martin_p]

Assuming that they are EVIDENCE of long term, irreversible or more importantly, irreplaceable with other industries is a fundamental mistake.

And it's that fundamental mistake that Remoaners keep on making.

Only once we've actually left will we be afforded the luxury of hindsight to judge whether or not they were short term, long term, reversible irreversible, replaceable or irreplaceable.

Unless that is, you get out the keys to the Delorean marty

I’m not making any assumptions, that’s you. I’m just taking it for what it is, companies threaten to leave the uk because of brexit, self same companies then leave the uk because of brexit. Bad news full stop.

[RingoMcCartney]

I’m not making any assumptions, that’s you. I’m just taking it for what it is, companies threaten to leave the uk because of brexit, self same companies then leave the uk because of brexit. Bad news full stop.

You're assuming that these jobs are irreplaceable.

You're assuming that start up businesses and entrepreneurs will not fill the gaps left and potentially grow larger than the businesses they've replaced.

That's a fundamental mistake.

I once read somewhere that, of the companies that made up the equivalent of the FTSE 100 in 1900 a tiny proportion were still there in 2000.

You cannot. I cannot see into the future at the possible outcomes.

Unless that is you've took the delorean for a spin.

[RingoMcCartney]

And yet you still cannot provide any response to your lies.
As I said previously you continue to lie and i’ll continue to abuse you....because any real debate is completely wasted on somebody who just makes sh-it up.

When you've calmed down and are able to respond without the abuse, point me to the lies.

[Paul Waine]

Bit patronising...but hey ho.

The main debate has been about evidence to support an opinion. If you agree with Wrongo on that then you are as deluded as him.

If EU asset managers are moving to UK directly in anticipation of Brexit then that could be classified as evidence to support an opinion...opinion on what yet i’m unsure.

If people have provided evidence of companies that have got rid of jobs in anticipation of Brexit then that is also evidence to support their opinion that Brexit might not be good for jobs in the UK.

Whether in years to come their will be a net gain or loss in jobs, the economy or many other metrics nobody knows.

In truth it’s an argument I doubt anybody will ever be able to prove from either side in the future as other factors in the world economy are likely to cloud most things - and the UK will have moved on to bickering about something else.

Hi TV, what makes you think I agree with Ringo? I think there's errors on both sides of this silly "evidence" debate.

I'm not claiming anything from EU asset managers moving to UK - except it is happening.

You may have missed my post that credit should be called off - no people's vote, just called off. And, instead reform politics.

[LeuvenClaret]

Course opinions can be based on evidence. But Remoaners constantly make the assumption that what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions is EVIDENCE may not turn to be anything of the sort. ?

So someone who believes something and has evidence it’s still evidence. Right or wrong.
Even if you don’t believe it.

Just because you believe it to be short term does not negate that it is evidence.

However as you disagree with it and your opinion is more important you then define what evidence can be and say they can’t present that as evidence and you therefore won’t accept it as such.

At this point you start referring to proof and time travel.

Eye sight back yet?

[Burnley Ace]

If you were to expose an object , a space rocket, to the , around ,10000 Fahrenheit of the sun, it would melt, boil or evaporate.

Nobody has done it before.

But there is scientifically proven past evidence that shows that would happen.

If nobody has done it before how can there be scientifically proven past evidence that shows that would happen? You’re spent 40 pages telling us you cannot provide EVIDENCE of a future event? Have you got a photo of some experiment in the future??

Of course you haven’t Ringo. You have formed your belief that the space rocket will melt using the available body of evidence provided by experts. None of these experts have flown a rocket into the Sun before, none of them have traveled into the future to take a photograph however you trust their opinion and their conclusion.

Would you say that anyone who has the same belief that the rocket would be destroyed is wrong as they are only relying on supposition, presupposition, presumption, premise, belief, expectation, conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, theory, hypothesis, postulation, deduction, inference, thought, suspicion, assumptions, projections, scenarios given varying criteria, predictions, assumptions and forecasts?

You would look stupid if you did!

[martin_p]

You're assuming that these jobs are irreplaceable.

You're assuming that start up businesses and entrepreneurs will not fill the gaps left and potentially grow larger than the businesses they've replaced.

That's a fundamental mistake.

I once read somewhere that, of the companies that made up the equivalent of the FTSE 100 in 1900 a tiny proportion were still there in 2000.

You cannot. I cannot see into the future at the possible outcomes.

Unless that is you've took the delorean for a spin.

You’re just not getting it are you. If I break my arm it hurts now. The fact that it will mend over time doesn’t stop it hurting now.

But Brexit is like the broken arm where the break is so bad that the medical experts are saying it’ll never work as well as it does now and the quacks are telling me not to worry as not only will it mend but I’ll grow another arm as well!

[TVC15]

When you've calmed down and are able to respond without the abuse, point me to the lies.

“Your doing what all the Remoaners do.
ASSUMING what may turn out to be short term or reversible business decisions or events, as EVIDENCE. Then making a PREDICTION or having an OPINION based on on it”

As I have already asked you point out where I have done any of the above.

As also requested on several times by many posters you have said that remainers have said they know that Brexit will have a negative impact on the UK - again point out where anyone on this thread has said that was anything but an opinion.

Embarrassing amount of sh-it you have made up on this thread and for what ? Most of your posts are nothing to do with Brexit....for whatever reason you have tried to defend a point where you do not understand basic English.

Why don’t you have a count back how many times you have argued that the impact of Brexit can only be an opinion....and whilst you are doing that try and find anybody who has said anything which disagrees with that. When you discover that nobody has disagreed with you on that point you will realise how dumb you are.

[TVC15]

Hi TV, what makes you think I agree with Ringo? I think there's errors on both sides of this silly "evidence" debate.

I'm not claiming anything from EU asset managers moving to UK - except it is happening.

You may have missed my post that credit should be called off - no people's vote, just called off. And, instead reform politics.

Fair enough Paul.
Just think this is a ridiculous thread.
Nobody at all is saying that their opinion on what will happen post Brexit is anything but an opinion - whatever Wrongo keeps spouting about time travel etc.
What people are quite rightly saying is that opinion can be based on evidence - that is just a simple fact. It does not make their opinion right or wrong.

It’s beyond me how anybody with an ounce of intelligence can even argue against this. Forget about Brexit as a subject matter for a minute...to argue against the above and to keep on arguing about it is ridiculous.

[BennyD]

You’re just not getting it are you. If I break my arm it hurts now. The fact that it will mend over time doesn’t stop it hurting now.

But Brexit is like the broken arm where the break is so bad that the medical experts are saying it’ll never work as well as it does now and the quacks are telling me not to worry as not only will it mend but I’ll grow another arm as well!

Both the experts and quacks are giving their opinions on what will happen. So, if your arm ends up working as well as it does now but you don't grow another arm, both parties were wrong but you are no worse off. The same thing may well happen with Brexit but we won't know for a number of years.

[RingoMcCartney]

If nobody has done it before how can there be scientifically proven past evidence that shows that would happen? You’re spent 40 pages telling us you cannot provide EVIDENCE of a future event? Have you got a photo of some experiment in the future??

Of course you haven’t Ringo. You have formed your belief that the space rocket will melt using the available body of evidence provided by experts. None of these experts have flown a rocket into the Sun before, none of them have traveled into the future to take a photograph however you trust their opinion and their conclusion.

Would you say that anyone who has the same belief that the rocket would be destroyed is wrong as they are only relying on supposition, presupposition, presumption, premise, belief, expectation, conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, theory, hypothesis, postulation, deduction, inference, thought, suspicion, assumptions, projections, scenarios given varying criteria, predictions, assumptions and forecasts?

You would look stupid if you did!

Nobody has done it before?

We know what the melting point and boiling point of titanium is. That has been scientifically proven in the past.

We know the temperature of the sun.

Therefore we can PREDICT, given the PAST IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE PROVIDE BY SCIENCE what would happen to a space rocket were it to be flown into the sun.

Now, back to planet reality.


No other country has left the EU before.

There is no PAST IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE PROVIDE BY SCIENCE on which to PREDICT whether or not to leave the European Union WILL HAVE either a negative or positive impact on the uk.

If you believe there is you'd continue to look as you have done for 40 pages of this thread.

Silly

[RingoMcCartney]

If it helps you - my comments are EVIDENCE yours are opinion.

Stop banging on about the sun and provide your EVIDENCE

[Jakubclaret]

Stop banging on about the sun and provide your EVIDENCE

I wouldn't hold your breath, at this rate the trusty old zimmer frame will be appearing.

[Imploding Turtle]

Stop banging on about the sun and provide your EVIDENCE

Why would anyone bother providing you with evidence when you've made it abundantly clear that you neither value evidence, and don't even know what 'evidence' means?

[RingoMcCartney]

So someone who believes something and has evidence it’s still evidence. Right or wrong.
Even if you don’t believe it.

Just because you believe it to be short term does not negate that it is evidence.

However as you disagree with it and your opinion is more important you then define what evidence can be and say they can’t present that as evidence and you therefore won’t accept it as such.

At this point you start referring to proof and time travel.

Eye sight back yet?

If somebody claims an event is EVIDENCE and time affords the privilege of perspective and hindsight shows the OPINION they formed and the conclusions they drew were INCORRECT. Then it was incorrect to call it EVIDENCE as the OPINION they held has been proven wrong by the passage of time.


Example -

Following the referendum result, the stock market fell dramatically.

Imploding Turtle was on here through out the following 48 hours posting graphs of the fall in the FTSE 100.

He claimed this was EVIDENCE of the promised stock market crash!

His OPINION was wrong and to claim it was EVIDENCE was also wrong.

Why?

Because since then, the FTSE 100 has recovered and reached records levels.

His OPINION was based on incomplete EVIDENCE. He had not allowed time to judge whether his OPINION was based on an event that was short term.

His opinion was CONJECTURE as it was based on a short term, incomplete event.

Given that brexit HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, and may not happen yet, people are basing their OPINION not on what they are mistakenly assuming and calling "EVIDENCE" but on CONJECTURE.

CONJECTURE - An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

[RingoMcCartney]

Why would anyone bother providing you with evidence when you've made it abundantly clear that you neither value evidence, and don't even know what 'evidence' means?

Perfect timing!

See above post where you get a mention.

The example demonstrates beautifully that you proved simultaneously that you don't know either the meaning of EVIDENCE or CONJECTURE.

[Imploding Turtle]

Perfect timing!

See above post where you get a mention.

The example demonstrates beautifully that you proved simultaneously that you don't know either the meaning of EVIDENCE or CONJECTURE.

I wasn't posting graphs of the FTSE100


Why are you always so wrong about so much?

[Burnley Ace]

Nobody has done it before?

We know what the melting point and boiling point of titanium is. That has been scientifically proven in the past.

We know the temperature of the sun.

Therefore we can PREDICT, given the PAST IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE PROVIDE BY SCIENCE what would happen to a space rocket were it to be flown into the Sun

There is no PAST IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE PROVIDE BY SCIENCE on which to PREDICT whether or not to leave the European Union WILL HAVE either a negative or positive impact on the uk.

Nobody has flown a rocket into the Sun. All you have got is scientist guessing what will happen. They have no EVIDENCE because they have never done it. They just have an OPINION like the rest of us and until they fire a rocket into the Sun that’s all it will be.

See how stupid that sounds?

[Burnley Ace]

Stop banging on about the sun and provide your EVIDENCE

Let’s have the full quote Ringo otherwise people might presume you are a liar peddling fake news! It’s on Page 2 number 95

“Hasn’t the difference already been explained to you?

Evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid

Opinion - a view or judgment formed about something not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

If it helps you - my comments are evidence yours are opinion”

And it’s still true 40 pages later

[RingoMcCartney]

You’re just not getting it are you. If I break my arm it hurts now. The fact that it will mend over time doesn’t stop it hurting now.

But Brexit is like the broken arm where the break is so bad that the medical experts are saying it’ll never work as well as it does now and the quacks are telling me not to worry as not only will it mend but I’ll grow another arm as well!

So we've tried analogies based on the sunrise, flying rockets to the sun. Now we're off the the fracture clinic!

Marty, we have not left yet.

People have broken their arms in the past. We can look at previous outcomes and prognosis. To PREDICT outcomes.

For the last time.

WE HAVE NOT LEFT THE EUROPEAN UNION YET.

NOBODY HAS EVER LEFT THE EU BEFORE.

Stop pointing to what may turn out to be short term replacable or reversible business decisions or events and claiming them to be EVIDENCE that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Only the passage of time will afford us the opportunity to judge with any accuracy whether or not leaving the EU HAS BEEN either positive or negative for the UK.

Till then you do not have EVIDENCE. Just an opinion.

Exactly like me.

[RingoMcCartney]

Let’s have the full quote Ringo otherwise people might presume you are a liar peddling fake news! It’s on Page 2 number 95

“Hasn’t the difference already been explained to you?

Evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid

Opinion - a view or judgment formed about something not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

If it helps you - my comments are evidence yours are opinion”

And it’s still true 40 pages later

Fine. Thanks for saving me the myther of quoting your good self


So where where is your EVIDENCE?

[RingoMcCartney]

Nobody has flown a rocket into the Sun. All you have got is scientist guessing what will happen. They have no EVIDENCE because they have never done it. They just have an OPINION like the rest of us and until they fire a rocket into the Sun that’s all it will be.

See how stupid that sounds?

Still banging on about space rockets and the sun.


And you're so desperate you're actually putting words into my mouth saying I said they " jusy have an opinion." They can make a PREDICTION based on irrefutable scientific research and EVIDENCE.



And still unable to provide any EVIDENCE that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Despite claiming you had.


If Carlsberg did deflection.......

[Burnley Ace]

If Carlsberg did deflection.......

They would call it RingoMcCartney

[RingoMcCartney]

They would call it RingoMcCartney

Evidence.





TICK TOCK.

[Burnley Ace]

And you're so desperate you're actually putting words into my mouth saying I said they " jusy have an opinion.

They can make a PREDICTION based on irrefutable scientific research and EVIDENCE.
.

But nobody has done it before - how can they have EVIDENCE of a future event???

Are you trying to say they have taken the results from other experiments, like the melting point of tungsten and the heat of the sun and then used the available body of facts to support their belief that the rocket would melt?? and they have done that without firing the rocket!!!!

That’s like using EVIDENCE to form an opinion on something that’s going to happen, but you’ve said that can’t be done.

[Burnley Ace]

Evidence.





TICK TOCK.

Now you want me to provide evidence that if Carlsberg did deflection they would call it RingoMcCartney???

[Tall Paul]

If somebody claims an event is EVIDENCE and time affords the privilege of perspective and hindsight shows the OPINION they formed and the conclusions they drew were INCORRECT. Then it was incorrect to call it EVIDENCE as the OPINION they held has been proven wrong by the passage of time.

What a crock of shite.

I flip a coin and state that there's a 50% chance of it landing on heads, based on evidence of coinflips always having a 50% chance of landing on heads.

If the coin then lands on tails, does that prove my statement wrong?

[RingoMcCartney]

But nobody has done it before - how can they have EVIDENCE of a future event???

Are you trying to say they have taken the results from other experiments, like the melting point of tungsten and the heat of the sun and then used the available body of facts to support their belief that the rocket would melt?? and they have done that without firing the rocket!!!!

That’s like using EVIDENCE to form an opinion on something that’s going to happen, but you’ve said that can’t be done.

They cannot have EVIDENCE for a future event.

They can have past irrefutable scientific EVIDENCE ( melting point and boiling point of titanium, the temperature of the sun) and make a PREDICTION on the likely outcome were an event to take place.

They have EVIDENCE. Their experiments and research have concluded. They are taking their EVIDENCE to make predictions.


You are pointing to short term ON GOING , inconclusive events and claiming them to be EVIDENCE of a future event.

A future event that has not happened yet. And hasn't even started yet.

Can you see the difference between what the scientists have. Irrefutable , scientific EVIDENCE based ofn concluded research and experiments.

You have conjecture.

Unless that is, you'd like to provide that much vaunted EVIDENCE of yours.






Chop chop.

[RingoMcCartney]

What a crock of shite.

I flip a coin and state that there's a 50% chance of it landing on heads, based on evidence of coinflips always having a 50% chance of landing on heads.

If the coin then lands on tails, does that prove my statement wrong?

No it doesn't prove it wrong.

Because we have past evidence to prove your statement is correct. Regardless of what side the coin lands on in that instant.

No country has ever left the EU before.

There is no past evidence to support an opinion that Brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Nor is there evidence to support an opinion that Brexit will have a positive impact on the uk.

[Burnley Ace]

And still unable to provide any EVIDENCE that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Despite claiming you had.

Ok, this is going back to page 9 and 10 but nevertheless:

In my opinion not having similar access to information on advanced passenger details ( the EU SIS II) on incoming flights as we do now will have a negative impact.

The evidence I am relying on is that we currently access it over 500 million times a year, it’s the largest information system for public security in Europe and there is the report published by Parliament on the 7th Dec 2018 and that there is no agreement in place not enabling legislation.

My opinion may change as new information comes to light but at the moment the available evidence is that we don’t have an agreement and that will be negative.

[LeuvenClaret]

So we've tried analogies based on the sunrise, flying rockets to the sun. Now we're off the the fracture clinic!

Marty, we have not left yet.

People have broken their arms in the past. We can look at previous outcomes and prognosis. To PREDICT outcomes.

For the last time.

WE HAVE NOT LEFT THE EUROPEAN UNION YET.

NOBODY HAS EVER LEFT THE EU BEFORE.

Stop pointing to what may turn out to be short term replacable or reversible business decisions or events and claiming them to be EVIDENCE that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Only the passage of time will afford us the opportunity to judge with any accuracy whether or not leaving the EU HAS BEEN either positive or negative for the UK.

Till then you do not have PROOF. Just an opinion.

Exactly like me.

Corrected.

[Pstotto]

Kent went digital in 2006.

[Burnley Ace]

They cannot have EVIDENCE for a future event.

They can have past irrefutable scientific EVIDENCE ( melting point and boiling point of titanium, the temperature of the sun) and make a PREDICTION on the likely outcome were an event to take place.

They have EVIDENCE. Their experiments and research have concluded. They are taking their EVIDENCE to make predictions.

Chop chop.

You are contradicting yourself- they cannot have evidence for a future event then go on to say they have past irrefutable scientific EVIDENCE.

So you accept that they can use evidence from other experiments to provide evidence for a future event!!