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BennyD
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by BennyD » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:10 pm
JohnMcGreal wrote:Your comments about Germany dominating Europe and Britain being it's bitch are bizarre.
You're coming across as more than a bit paranoid.
So Germany, with help from the EU, bailed out Greece and now dictate their austerity measures. They have helped Spain as well. If you control the economy, you basically control the country and how it spends its money. If you can't see that Germany is spreading its influence then you are a hopeless europhile or living in denial. We were never an equal partner in Europe and would never get a say at the 'top table' as the EU dream was driven by, and for, Germany and France. We were an underling and would always have been so.
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by Rowls » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:20 pm
jurek wrote:I think Tony Blair has every right to voice his opinion.
In today's world we all can voice our opinions. well those of us who live in
the more advanced countries where access to the internet, twitter and like
are common place.
We are leaving Europe and it is too late for that to stop.
Tony Blair should put his efforts in trying to ensure that whatever deal
we get is the best possible as should everyone.
I think the truth of the matter is no one really knows what the consequences
are likely to be although I don't think it would be misguided to suggest we are going to have
difficult times over the coming few years. I suspect more difficult than many folk have predicted
or would like.
It seems clear that the fall of the pound will result in increased import costs
for a whole variety of goodies we buy - be it essentials or otherwise.
These increases are slowly but surely seeping though to consumers and will more than likely
increase further during the coming year.
Inflation as a consequence is also likely to rise and lets hope it doesn't rise
to 3-4% as that is going to impact quite severely on millions of UK citizens.
Especially those with mortgages but we will all suffer increased food and energy prices.
Not sure how employment will fair over the next few years.
Certain sectors may be hit - manufacturing and banking come to mind.
Let's hope not.
I personally think the May is extremely naive to think we are going to negotiate a deal that
doesn't have some major repercussions and costs.
And it seems obvious that those who will bear the largest brunt of those repercussions
and costs will be the most disadvantaged and poor of the country although the middle classes will also
take a serious hit.
That's if we get a deal at all.
Europe could be on its knees within a year or so and negotiations could, as a consequence flounder
or not be worth the paper they are written on.
I do personally believe that leaving Europe will not solve the problems that exist in the UK.
In essence we were slowly sinking and in decline long before we joined Europe and it became an issue.
There's very few signs that we are capable or willing to do something about that.
Some high ranking civil servant (whose name eludes me now) said a few years ago.
Something along the lines of 'It's about managing decline without people taking to the streets and
serious civil disruption'.
Let's hope that leaving Europe will provide us with a new dawn and
we can somehow start getting out of the mess we are in.
Although I haven't read it, I'd like to thank jurek for posting in the style of a 1960s poem.
