Martin McGuinness

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:52 pm

Over McGuiness' death ?
If you're referring to the loon who seems to want to pursue me across this board, well yes Indeed, I'm as embarrassed as some of you guys. It's like having a stalker, I guess, and more than a little sinister. Ah well, life goes on or not.

Anyway, talking about MM and life not going on - seamless! - I see the the "Daily Mail" has published another masterclass in fair and objective reporting today.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:59 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:And what exactly have I done here that suggests teachers aren't or shouldn't be respected ? Stood up for myself and told a yob and his mates to do one ? Pointed out that the MM issue is two-sided whether we like it or not ?
Guilty as charged, m'lud.
If there's anything in particular that has upset you, please quote it and I'll walk you through it and, indeed, apologise if I consider it necessary.
There ! Better now ?
Good

Your posts come across as aggressive (and not slightly aggressive) seriously aggressive. What age group do you teach? You might be okay with 5 year olds maybe you can hold it all in. Not sure you could cope with 16-18 year olds. Do you find your job stressful and just come on here to get stuck in? What do you do when a fight breaks out in the playground?

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:06 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Good man, I thought you'd done a runner...my ahem "ranting and raving" is aimed purely at a drunken half-wit ( and his chums) who appear to be obsessed with meeting me and I've simply tried to rebuff his advances. In harsh terms, yes, but justifiably so I believe.
I think it's only fair to tell you that I used to be a teacher and I'm now sitting on a pretty decent lump sum and pension pot, thanks very much.
That's all well and good but the really interesting thing is that I help a sub-contracting mate of mine by doing roofing/joinery/carpentry a couple of days a week. This, of course, leaves your mealy-mouthed condemnation of teachers as looking pretty stupid, wouldn't you say ?
So, my love, as I asked before, give me some examples so that I may explain/apologise (delete as appropriate).
Go on, there's a good lad.

So you are retirement age? If that's so that makes your behaviour on here even more astounding!

Just a thought if you are not retirement age did you get fired for headbutting a parent or something? Do tell I'm interested now!

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Well that escalated quickly.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:21 pm

To get back on topic, we just need Gerry Adams to check out this year and we will have a memorable double to celebrate. This would be especially good for the decent people of Derry and Belfast who lived in fear on a daily basis. In fear of McGuiness and Adams and their intimidating PIRA henchmen.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:56 pm

Healeywoodclaret wrote:So you are retirement age? If that's so that makes your behaviour on here even more astounding!

Just a thought if you are not retirement age did you get fired for headbutting a parent or something? Do tell I'm interested now!

Ooooh, I'm glad you're interested - always happy to oblige.
No, I'm not of retirement age - I took it early after an enjoyable ooh, donkey's years teaching - and the deal was pretty damn good. Leaves me free to work if/when I want as long as the tax is kept down, go to the gym, run, bike, ski, talk to ***** like you - anything I fancy really. I recommend it.
I'm in good health, good shape and financially OK - hope you're the same.
No, never got round to headbutting a parent, felt like it a few times but, hey, like Cloughie used to say, we later agreed that I was right all along

Not sure what age has to do with dealing with half-wits in the brutal but only way they understand........your mate, biggles, for instance, illiterate as well as intellectually inadequate. So much so, he can't even tell me how I've upset him, poor sod.
Ah well I guess it's easier for him to bluster than deal in evidence. You'd think he'd have learned, mind, from the kickings turtle has given him...

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:26 pm

well done eddie. so you're telling us [immodestly perhaps?] that you are healthy, fit and wealthy. in my experience that usually indicates the very opposite. apologies if i got you all wrong and you really are as great as you proclaim. you come across as well educated, relaxed and tolerant. a real credit to the teaching profession, too. i'm sure the students looked up to you as a great role model.
so, you do know who turtle is despite you implying earlier that you didn't. gotta keep it consistent, matey, or you come across as not only an idiot but as a liar too. you really are turtle, aren't you? i can't believe there are two complete tossers such as you two in burnley.
hope i haven't upset you by making too many spelling mistakes. i know it sends you a tad more crazy and your rantings on here would indicate that you are close to having some kind of breakdown.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:27 pm

hurry up. can hardly wait for your intellectually loaded comeback.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:21 pm

Well, that's another event in London similar to what McGuiness in his prime helped to engineer. I wonder what the 'apologists' say about this terrorist. Hero? Freedom fighter? Martyr? Tw4t, that should rot in hell?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:33 pm

Is there any relation whatsoever, Benny ? I think not.
As you know, McGuiness was a terrorist who, paradoxically, became an elected statesman and helped bring about peace. That's what was being discussed as far as I remember.

Now then, biggles, steady on - a chap has to eat you know.
Difficult to know where to start, really. So I answer a question about my circumstances and answer in detail but no, those details can't be true according to you. Mmmm, I'm not quite sure what I can do about that other than send you very recent pics of me skiing but, for obvious reasons, I'm not comfortable with that.
I honestly knew very little of the mysterious turtle but after your THIRD reference I felt obliged to check your posts to see exactly what he'd done to you. It soon became clear that he's your nemesis, you really do seem terrified of him and, very much like on here today, you become more and more shrill and silly as the discussions progress. He really has got to you, hasn't he ? So, sorry chum, no lies, just a delay while I did some research.
There may well be two tossers in Burnley - I'm guessing there are many more than that but, sadly for you, I'm not one of them. As is pretty well known on here, I live in Staffordshire. Oh dear.
Don't worry about the spellings, your tone,content and lack of basic punctuation indicate precisely how worthless you and your thoughts are.
Other than that, you've done really well............

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:36 pm

Careful now Benny, or you will have Hampstead et.al. asking you where your evidence is.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:42 pm

Germany v. England's on, lads.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:46 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Germany v. England's on, lads.

Good idea eddie, lets have a talking b@llocks amnesty for next two hours or so.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:51 pm

Indeed although I refrain from doing so at all times anyway............

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:54 pm

maybe your memory is failing you. i have seen numerous threads in the past where the two of you have spouted your inane drivel. and you still maintain that you knew very little of him? really? did he teach you how to be an annoying idiot or was it the other way round? the extent to which you simply ignore the more salient points of someone else's post is hilarious. i can't decide if that's because you don't understand them or that you are in such a hurry to reply [just to see your mad thoughts put into words] that you get yourself into a 'tizzy' forgot all you read. priceless. keep posting, though; you get more incoherent with every post. comedy gold.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:08 pm

And before the apologists start banging on that 'it's not the same', McGuiness was a terrorist who killed innocent civilians, and policemen, in pursuit of his goals, much like this tw4t today. The fact that he became a politician when he knew he had lost, is totally irrelevant. The other thing they have in common is that they are both dead, and both deserve to be.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:25 pm

And for a few hours the world was a better place..

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:26 pm

Apology for your lies accepted, biggles, no problem.

" or that you are in such a hurry to reply [just to see your mad thoughts put into words] that you get yourself into a 'tizzy' forgot all you read."

Such coherence

I'm sorry, bud, but unlike you, I'm not fixated on this turtle fella and have paid, until today, little attention to what he posts. Do you really think I give a flying **** over who's ragging you about on this board ? Anybody can do it.
I'm afraid your posts are becoming a little more frantic each time. It's sad to see you disintegrate and submit in such a lame, meek fashion.
I am gracious enough, however, not to take pleasure in your failure.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:27 pm

It sounds like a minute's applause would be quite popular, albeit for different reasons.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:36 pm

MM had no choice but to follow the Road of peace. The British were onto him and had evidence of his involvement in the murders of the innocents. His only way of staying a free man was to persue the peace process and reinvent himself as the hero many people think he is

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:51 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Doctors say that McGuinness' condition is 'satisfactory'.

Beamish, if you were the originator of that quote, I take my hat off to you.

effin brilliant. Used it several time today and raised a lot of laughs.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:04 pm

I was not going to say anymore on this thread though that post 205, from 'Jamesy' or somebody, warranted a response.

After today's events in London I definitely wasn't going to comment.

However as you have named me, [211] I will briefly reply.

It's McGUINNESS !

For the record I personally don't see any decent comparison between what was happening in Northern Ireland in the 1970s/1980s and ISIS 40 years later; this is not the thread to get into that.

211..in attempting to mock me, you said this..' Careful now Benny, or you will have Hampstead et.al. asking you where your evidence is..'

Answer this..In a given situation, sometimes complex, is it better to provide some decent evidence to validate your point..or to provide nothing..?
- a simple YES or NO will do...cheers.

205..Jamesy..you say 'This would be especially good for the decent people of Derry and Belfast who lived in fear on a daily basis. In fear of McGuiness [sp] and Adams and their intimidating PIRA henchmen.

- Read all of the following BBC link carefully..go slowly and concentrate..the photos are relevant as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39344909" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
All the links at the bottom are worth reading - I've read them.

All those people in the pictures must be the... 'decent people of Derry and Belfast who lived in fear on a daily basis. In fear of McGuiness and Adams and their intimidating PIRA henchmen..'

What do the people on the front row of the top photo look like to you?

This is what Theresa May said yesterday..

'Prime Minister Theresa May said although she could never "condone the path he took in the earlier part of his life, Martin McGuinness ultimately played a defining role in leading the republican movement away from violence".
"In doing so, he made an essential and historic contribution to the extraordinary journey of Northern Ireland from conflict to peace," [BBC]

Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and John Major made similar comments yesterday, as did several leading Unionist politicians, and also members of Dr Ian Paisley's family.

Without the contribution of MM many people believe there would be no peace in Northern Ireland today.

See what nil_d said earlier on this thread about Nelson Mandela,,a thoughtful post I thought.

The history of the island of Ireland goes back a long, long way and it is complex.
There is more than one story of what has gone on...wider reading from a variety of sources can help clear up some of the issues...try it Jamesy, Benny and friends.

At the time of 'The Troubles' there was an unwanted [to many] foreign occupying military presence on the island of Ireland - attempts were made to 'remove them'....I and millions of others would do the same in the blink of an eye, if we similarly found this island occupied.

The funeral of Martin McGuinness will take place in Derry tomorrow.

I wonder if anyone will turn up.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:10 pm

Benny you have been making a serious attempt to link Martin McGuinness and what happened in London this afternoon, for well transparent reasons.
- you are making a very poor job of it.

Go away and read some political history and get yerself better informed.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:22 pm

"Wider reading from a variety of sources". Problem is with you Hampstead is that you try and paint posters like me and others as being ignorant about the information out there regarding the "troubles".
You simply make assumptions that we know very little about them and then you are selective about what media information you use to support your argument.
Yes there will be thousands at his funeral, however many of the nationalists who lived in fear of this man are still too afraid to speak out even now.
Good Riddance Martin McGuiness, the world is a better place without you.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:30 pm

Er, McGuiness won't be reading this, Jamesy, but I understand what you're saying.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:32 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:Beamish, if you were the originator of that quote, I take my hat off to you.

effin brilliant. Used it several time today and raised a lot of laughs.

I have an idea that it might have been from Spitting Image, yonks ago.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:52 pm

What..there is no ignorance on this forum?

It's full of biased bigoted ill-informed nonsense every week...although there are many excellent posters and a wide variety of interesting topics as well.

You tried to take the pyss out of me earlier about the use of 'evidence'....I asked you a simple question about it which I knew you wouldn't answer..why don't you answer it now...I said a simple yes or no would do..If you haven't got the balls to do that, maybe try and avoid making inane, vacuous comments next time you start banging on your keyboard.

While we're at it...that utter nasty racist **** Norman Tebbit was mentioned on this thread....sadly he looks more dead than alive these days. He was a senior member of governments that with the support of our security services including MI5 AND MI6 and the Royal Ulster Constabulary, N.I. Unionist politicians and other 'dark' forces COLLUDED back then in the murders of many Catholics and other 'undesireables'.. I didn't think that was in the rules..

All sides got involved in the nasty stuff,.. don't be naive.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:54 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Benny you have been making a serious attempt to link Martin McGuinness and what happened in London this afternoon, for well transparent reasons.
- you are making a very poor job of it.

Go away and read some political history and get yerself better informed.

Hampstead, a scumbag who murders innocent civilians for his own ends is the same as any other scumbag who murders innocent civilians for his own ends, be they political, religious or any other. So, McGuiness is the same as the tw4t who killed 3 in London today, except he didn't die for his beliefs or because of them. So thanks for the advice, but I don't need to read political history or the origins of religion.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:57 pm

poor sad eddie. at least turtle has the good grace to thoroughly believe he has a superior intellect to anyone else on here. you just try to bluff it and you fail miserably. the best you can do is call names and highlight spelling and punctuation errors. perhaps you should stick to that. ignore what's being discussed, just pick up on the grammar. clown.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:07 pm

There's no doubt that the history is complex. I wouldn't call the last 45 years as part of 'the struggle' though. Warrington, Birmingham, Guildford, Harrods, Enniskillen was just murder pure and simple.

I won't mis MM, nor will I miss Ian Paisley and I won't miss Gerry Adams when he goes to join them.

However, we have had a period of peace for which we must be grateful and hope continues; not just for us but for future generations. For many of us, who have known friends and colleagues murdered during 'the troubles', the bitterness will remain but fortunately there is a generation growing in Ireland who aren't embittered and don't recognise the historical violence and will prevent it re-emerging.

Sorry, just getting emotional after a few beers.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:07 pm

A simple yes or no? Sorry but you were again asking for evidence, not a simple yes or no.
I find you hard work Hampstead and please don't accuse me of having no balls as you type in your lengthy pieces of rhetoric.
I don't think we will ever find common ground on McGuiness and other PIRA terrorists, yes terrorists in case you forgot. So you carry on with your IRA love in through your rose tinted spectacles. I was going to suggest you went on the the heritage tours in Belfast and Derry from the safety and comfort of your tour bus, but I guess you have already done those.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:11 pm

Biggles, love, you've not actually discussed anything today. I've asked you many times to select extracts for exploration but, nope, nothing doing.
You've tried to attack me all day, failing miserably, and cap it all with a stream of baseless, illogical accusations. It makes no difference to me, I can think and write with wit, imagination and panache - qualities you can only dream of. Let's face it, you can't even construct a sentence correctly AND you've got a "like" from BennyD which confirms just how much of a worthless **** you are.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:13 pm

"There's no doubt that the history is complex. I wouldn't call the last 45 years as part of 'the struggle' though. Warrington, Birmingham, Guildford, Harrods, Enniskillen was just murder pure and simple."

I can't agree, Hatfield, they were hardly random, were they ? Murder, yes absolutely. Pure and simple ? Far from it, they were part of a long campaign, surely.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:20 pm

A bit of wit but not a lot of panache there eddie.

Maybe you meant panache with an acute accent over the last e

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:23 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:"There's no doubt that the history is complex. I wouldn't call the last 45 years as part of 'the struggle' though. Warrington, Birmingham, Guildford, Harrods, Enniskillen was just murder pure and simple."

I can't agree, Hatfield, they were hardly random, were they ? Murder, yes absolutely. Pure and simple ? Far from it, they were part of a long campaign, surely.

No, they weren't random. That just makes it worse.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:27 pm

Hey, you've got such a cute accent..
Thanks, luv.

Not sure you're correct there, Hat. I think that's been dropped over the years, certainly over here. Google "panache" for instance and you'll not see an acute accent or a cute anything else for that matter. Good try, though.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:29 pm

So they were planned and committed as part of the campaign or the struggle, then ?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:45 pm

Is dead. And won't be dead long enough.

The world is a better place for his passing.

Piece of ****.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:47 pm

True dat.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:27 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:So they were planned and committed as part of the campaign or the struggle, then ?

Yes, planned murder of innocents.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, as there isn't going to be a meeting of minds on this one.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:21 am

I agree that we see it as murder of innocents. T'other sides saw it as legitimate means of war, ie bombing the government to a peaceful solution. It worked in a way, that's not to excuse it, far from it, but nobody won a war carrying placards and shouting, "Whadda we want ? When do we want it ?"
Which reminds of the old joke about the "Demo against Dementia" outside Downing Street................

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:15 am

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pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:54 am

The man is **** pure and simple, the real hero I saw talking this week was Colin Parry !!! He did something I would never have been able to do, he did not go all out for vengeance or revenge but channeled there feeling for peace and hope for the future. They even met with McGuiness and Adams and talked about peace and hope.

As someone who has never had to lose a relative to direct actions of others, I can only say that to me if I was to I would expect the law to punish them, if they could not then yes I would become a **** bag attacker of any one associated with there death.

I have on a slightly different note been to Tralee in Southern Ireland back in the late 90s with my wife and 7 yr old daughter and went into the museum of Ireland. My first reaction was that it was all a load of crap as it was if I had gone to another dimension where it was quite obvious they had got the wrong history of the world. Or at least not the history I had been taught at school. We left and went to a bar for Guinness and child drink we were served but when I got my change I did not put any money into the Micheal Colins memorial box. An Irish chap started swearing out load thet the English are all ***** and other words too. The barman told him to calm down and I then put some money in the box. I would not have done so if on my own but with wife and daughter there discretion better part of valour. I then researched long hours about ''History and whilst obvious to some it was a realization that perhaps there was another side to it all.
30 years before this I found out a ot about the Indian wars in America and found that this history is different if you are on the other side.
But still feel that anyone who kills outside of war with no uniform is a coward.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:02 pm

Indeed. There's the rub -and for all the more swivel-eyed or just plain thick of my band of loyal devotees, what follows is neither apologist nor supportive of terrorism - profound political change never really comes about over a long period of time or without, somewhere along the line, violence. That's humans for you, I'm afraid. Empires tend to crumble, or be made to crumble, relatively quickly.

Frenchclaret · Post by **Frenchclaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:57 pm

Great letter in today's Daily Telegraph.

"Sir,
Your obituary states that Martin McGuinness left a widow. In fact, he left hundreds of widows."

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:06 pm

I wonder if anyone would like to have a go at calculating how many widows our glorious British Empire is/was responsible for.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:18 pm

Corky wrote:I wonder if anyone would like to have a go at calculating how many widows our glorious British Empire is/was responsible for.

Totally irrelevant, however many it is/was it still doesn't make McGuiness's actions any less despicable.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:29 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:Totally irrelevant, however many it is/was it still doesn't make McGuiness's actions any less despicable.

Probably is relevant if you look at what the British did to Ireland as a whole.
Yes his actions were despicable, but when you look at the bigger picture.......

Same with what Britain did to various parts of the world, like India, the Middle East, Africa etc.
You can sort of understand some peoples issues with Britain.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:44 pm

BennyD wrote:Well, that's another event in London similar to what McGuiness in his prime helped to engineer. I wonder what the 'apologists' say about this terrorist. Hero? Freedom fighter? Martyr? Tw4t, that should rot in hell?

They call themselves ISIS soldiers. Soldiers my arse. ISIS Cowards is what they are. Same as McGuiness he was a Coward.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:04 pm

Frenchclaret wrote:Great letter in today's Daily Telegraph.

"Sir,
Your obituary states that Martin McGuinness left a widow. In fact, he left hundreds of widows."

That he did French. Gutless, spineless tw@the that he was.