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Post by Hipper » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:17 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Lancaster - I have gone very much the other way too, but is it really surprising? All of what you might call 'neo liberal' economics has been shown up to be a sham that works against the vast majority of people. The failure of trickle-down economics, mass privatisation of public assets, the use of public debt to cut spending on education, health, and public services, the use of unemployment to keep wages down, and working people nervous, and that silly belief in 'market forces' as though it's a magical fairy that must never be caged, when it's often rigged anyway. All of this is so apparent now - I mean we've had nearly two generations of practical experience of it - that few thinking people believe it any more. It's been so entrenched as a dominant ideology that anyone questioning it is still labelled as 'extreme' - but is it really 'left-wing' to question something that clearly doesn't work, or is 'it' actually becoming more extreme (resistant to evidence against it for example), as its failures such as the international banking crisis get money thrown at it like a giant sticking plaster?
I agree with you about the lack of fairness of our existing system but what is a practical solution just for our country when the rest of the world continues down that road? I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination but at nearly retirement age I've got all I need and don't want to risk losing it through major upheavals.

One other possible reason for this election was mentioned by an MP on a TV interview. It was that if the current government went its full term, the next General Election would be May 2020 and he argued that this was close to the theoretical end of Brexit negotiations. He thought some naughty EU representatives might force a weaker UK outcome because they knew that it would all need to be sorted by then.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:43 pm

AndrewJB wrote:If Labour were in government you wouldn't be happy with them working out a deal with the EU by themselves. And this is the whole point of the matter. May insisted on holding the cards close to her chest, so it's only right that there's some sort of way for the rest of us to have oversight on the outcome.
Whoever were in government, they should be the ones doing the deal and not being accountable to a pro EU parliament.

It's as simple as that.

If you were the EU and knew that the people round the table were effectively one step away from a in built trip wire of a second parliamentary vote on the deal. And you didn't actually want the UK to leave. You'd give us the worst deal possible knowing that the vote would play into your hands.

That's why she's done it.

Gina miller has already bragged she plans to go to court to secure a vote on the deal. So Teresa May wants to get a bigger majority. Let the foreign born millionairess have her democracy hating day in court. But by the time she does the tories will have a bigger majority by then.

Gina miller- she reaps what she sows. I hope she's physically sick on the morning after the next general election. Just like after the referendum!!

Disgraceful, self serving, kept in clover, enemy of the People, treasonous rat.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:46 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I haven't read the Daily Mail in years but I reckon it and RingoMcCartney's posts on here are identical.

The left- claim to LOVE diversity.

HATE diversity of opinion

Bless x

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Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:48 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Whoever were in government, they should be the ones doing the deal and not being accountable to a pro EU parliament.

It's as simple as that.

If you were the EU and knew that the people round the table were effectively one step away from a in built trip wire of a second parliamentary vote on the deal. And you didn't actually want the UK to leave. You'd give us the worst deal possible knowing that the vote would play into your hands.

That's why she's done it.

Gina miller has already bragged she plans to go to court to secure a vote on the deal. So Teresa May wants to get a bigger majority. Let the foreign born millionairess have her democracy hating day in court. But by the time she does the tories will have a bigger majority by then.

Gina miller- she reaps what she sows. I hope she's physically sick on the morning after the next general election. Just like after the referendum!!

Disgraceful, self serving, kept in clover, enemy of the People, treasonous rat.

And Gina Miller is black, isn't she?

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Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:56 pm

Spijed wrote:And Gina Miller is black, isn't she?
Wat
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Post by Sidney1st » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:59 pm

What's her skin colour got to do with it?

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Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:01 pm

Sidney1st wrote:What's her skin colour got to do with it?
The Sun seemed to think it important as it appeals to their following.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/04/the-sun-d ... n-6235941/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by SammyBoy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:01 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Abbott and Corbyn 'unelectable'? They've been MPs for thirty and thirty-five years respectively. Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour Party by a far bigger margin than anyone in recent history. That's not 'unelectable' by any reasonable stretch.

Just as BennyD, you might not like Corbyn's politics (though apart from referring to a leftward lurch he didn't specify what exactly this leftward lurch is), but some people obviously must because he keeps getting elected.

BennyD - I take it you prefer May's pointless austerity project which has driven the UK into far more debt than Labour ever caused? Perhaps you enjoy having someone as PM who was a failure even by her own measure when she was home office minister under Cameron? Or perhaps (and I believe this is likely for more than a few people) you get told what to think by a media machine that has had it in for Corbyn ever since he became leader?
Probably worth pointing out that Corbyn was elected as leader by a bigger majority than anyone in recent history largely due to the daft Miliband reforms which allowed people to pay a one off installment and become 'registered supporters', allowing the election to be hijacked by groups like Momentum (and allegedly some Tories who foresaw what a shambles he'd be :o ).

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Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:03 pm

Spijed wrote:The Sun seemed to think it important as it appeals to their following.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/04/the-sun-d ... n-6235941/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
did you even read that link?

"As you can see, Miller’s skin is much closer to the tone in The Sun’s photo rather than The Times’.

And on top of that, Duncan Geddes – a Times news reporter – tweeted that they had indeed lightened their photo – ‘as we do for loads of pictures, of people and otherwise’."


The headline literally says "The Sun didn’t actually darken Brexit challenger Gina Miller’s skin"

Also, shes South American.

Literally everything you posted has confused me so much.
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Post by Sidney1st » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:03 pm

Spijed wrote:The Sun seemed to think it important as it appeals to their following.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/04/the-sun-d ... n-6235941/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You've posted a link to the Metro, which show that The Times have possibly lightened their image of Miller.
Or have I mis-read it?

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Damo » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:22 pm

Ringo makes a good point.
If it wasn't for the likes of Farron, Sturgeon, Miller and Imploding Turtle stamping their feet and demanding second referendums, and the result of the first one being overturned on technicalities, May wouldn't of needed to call a snap General Election.
I don't understand what the left's problem is anyway as it gives them another opportunity to deprive the people of the Brexit they voted for

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:42 pm

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:43 pm

Damo wrote:Ringo makes a good point.
If it wasn't for the likes of Farron, Sturgeon, Miller and Imploding Turtle stamping their feet and demanding second referendums, and the result of the first one being overturned on technicalities, May wouldn't of needed to call a snap General Election.
I don't understand what the left's problem is anyway as it gives them another opportunity to deprive the people of the Brexit they voted for

Personally, I wouldn't put The Turtles Head alongside sturgeon and Tiny Tim.

At least they ply their trade in the premier league of UK politics.

No, The Turtles Head is mixing it with the blu tack , sellotape and cardboard placard waving hysterical, left wing , Lilley Allen wannabe , well researched, graph at 3am, the entire population of the world are idiots. In the Vanarama National league!!

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Post by dermotdermot » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:43 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Probably worth pointing out that Corbyn was elected as leader by a bigger majority than anyone in recent history largely due to the daft Miliband reforms which allowed people to pay a one off installment and become 'registered supporters', allowing the election to be hijacked by groups like Momentum (and allegedly some Tories who foresaw what a shambles he'd be :o ).
I sometimes wonder if Miliband knew all along exactly what he was doing. I mean can anyone really be that stupid?

The really stupid thing is that Labour MP's went along with it and let him do it. Totally culpable.
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Post by USC » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:53 pm

Damo wrote:If it wasn't for the likes of Farron, Sturgeon, Miller and Imploding Turtle stamping their feet and demanding ... the result of the first one being overturned on technicalities, May wouldn't of needed to call a snap General Election.
RingoMcCartney wrote:Gina miller has already bragged she plans to go to court to secure a vote on the deal. ... Let the foreign born millionairess have her democracy hating day in court.
Amusing how some on here think following legal process is undemocratic!

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:57 pm

USC wrote:Amusing how some on here think following legal process is undemocratic!

Attempting to undermine, set trip wires and bring parliament's business to "a grinding halt" and usurp the biggest expression of democracy Britain as ever seen is truly undemocratic.

What's really amusing is that Remoaners pretend it isn't!!
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Post by martin_p » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:04 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Attempting to undermine, set trip wires and bring parliament's business to "a grinding halt" and usurp the biggest expression of democracy Britain as ever seen is truly undemocratic.

What's really amusing is that Remoaners pretend it isn't!!
If you accept Gina Millar is an intelligent woman then if all she'd wanted to do was bring business to a grinding halt she'd have left her legal challenge until after article 50 had been (illegally) invoked. She made sure it was done properly and all to Theresa May's timetable. She should be a Brexiteer heroine!

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Post by dsr » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:17 pm

USC wrote:Amusing how some on here think following legal process is undemocratic!
The legal process was a waste of time anyway. Parliament didn't want a debate or a vote on Article 50; if Parliament had wanted that, Parliament would have asked for it. The PM is absolutely responsible to Parliament, Parliament shouldn't need a rocket from Gina Miller to make it do its duty.

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Post by Paul Waine » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:17 pm

Re Brexit negotiating position, it was stated on the BBC news that EU leaders are pleased that TM has called an election. Stated that they would much prefer to negotiate with someone with a clear mandate etc, rather than someone would had to think about how the results of negotiations would play out afterwards in parliament.

It's also been stated that the calling of general election will assist in expediting the brexit negotiations, rather than create a 2 months hiatus. And, again, stated that EU will be willing to start trade negotiations earlier than they had previously indicated.

I wonder if, if a number of years time, we will learn that the EU asked TM to call the general election? What is good for UK is also good for EU - and the relationship between the EU and UK.

Sleep well, everyone. Sweet dreams.
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:20 pm

martin_p wrote:If you accept Gina Millar is an intelligent woman then if all she'd wanted to do was bring business to a grinding halt she'd have left her legal challenge until after article 50 had been (illegally) invoked. She made sure it was done properly and all to Theresa May's timetable. She should be a Brexiteer heroine!
I wasn't saying the foreign born millionairess was trying to bring parliament's business "to a grinding halt". That's what Tiny Tim Farrons illiberal antiDemocrats said they'd do.

Back to the ivory towered, kept in cotton wool, sufferer of Princess Syndrome, Miller. She won her case at the supreme Court. Parliament did then get to vote on the triggering of Article 50. Miller had hoped that parliament would vote against it. It didn't.

So now, like a spoilt only child who's never been told "no". She's threatening to go back again to attempt to force parliament to have a vote on the deal. Which would incentivise the EU to give the worst possible deal possible and build in a trip wire for our negotiations.

This is an entitled metropolitan bubble dweller , who all along has claimed she's intent on due process and holding the government to account and having it scrutinised.

Garbage. She simply does not accept the referendum result. She even admitted to being physically sick the morning after the result.

She lacks self awareness and I'm sure with all her privilege and millions in the bank , she could afford a full length mirror.......
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Post by dsr » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:21 pm

martin_p wrote:If you accept Gina Millar is an intelligent woman then if all she'd wanted to do was bring business to a grinding halt she'd have left her legal challenge until after article 50 had been (illegally) invoked. She made sure it was done properly and all to Theresa May's timetable. She should be a Brexiteer heroine!
If she'd tactically waited, then someone else might have got in first and denied her the publicity.
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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:51 pm

While I'm not delighted about a Remain voter leading the Brexit process with a huge majority, I would be content to see how good any deal will be. I've long since said there has to be one for both sides, and I've also said there has to be a compromise or two in there (what negotiation doesn't).

May will negotiate a Brexit soft in some places, hard in others, a bit like a boiled egg. Hopefully that will be fair for everyone and she won't have the egg on her face afterwards.

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Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:22 am

What some of the more dim witted Brexiters don't realise is that by increasing her majority it makes it easier for May to negotiate a softer Brexit as she won't be hostage to the whim of Redwood, Hogg and their ilk. A majority of 12 would have been impossible to work with

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Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:31 am

Burnley Ace wrote:What some of the more dim witted Brexiters don't realise is that by increasing her majority it makes it easier for May to negotiate a softer Brexit as she won't be hostage to the whim of Redwood, Hogg and their ilk. A majority of 12 would have been impossible to work with
So brexiters are idiots for voting to leave and now dim if May is voted back into office with a better majority?
You do know remainers will also vote her back in don't you?

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Post by AndrewJB » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:34 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Whoever were in government, they should be the ones doing the deal and not being accountable to a pro EU parliament.

It's as simple as that.

If you were the EU and knew that the people round the table were effectively one step away from a in built trip wire of a second parliamentary vote on the deal. And you didn't actually want the UK to leave. You'd give us the worst deal possible knowing that the vote would play into your hands.

That's why she's done it.

Gina miller has already bragged she plans to go to court to secure a vote on the deal. So Teresa May wants to get a bigger majority. Let the foreign born millionairess have her democracy hating day in court. But by the time she does the tories will have a bigger majority by then.

Gina miller- she reaps what she sows. I hope she's physically sick on the morning after the next general election. Just like after the referendum!!

Disgraceful, self serving, kept in clover, enemy of the People, treasonous rat.
You are missing my point. We voted to leave the EU. That much is done. But what our relationship with the EU and the rest of the world now needs to be decided, and I don't want one single party representing the whole country in this negotiation. May should have convened a cross-party body right away to decide on what our negotiating position is - and she failed to do this. I'm fully behind anyone who challenges her on this, because she has no right (as agreed by the supreme court) to go ahead alone.

In any case, the leave argument went that Europe needs us more than we need them, so I doubt they'd do anything stupid.

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Post by Damo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:10 am

Burnley Ace wrote:What some of the more dim witted Brexiters don't realise is that by increasing her majority it makes it easier for May to negotiate a softer Brexit as she won't be hostage to the whim of Redwood, Hogg and their ilk. A majority of 12 would have been impossible to work with
*Brexiteers

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Post by If it be your will » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:52 am

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Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:57 am

AndrewJB wrote:You are missing my point. We voted to leave the EU. That much is done. But what our relationship with the EU and the rest of the world now needs to be decided, and I don't want one single party representing the whole country in this negotiation. May should have convened a cross-party body right away to decide on what our negotiating position is - and she failed to do this. I'm fully behind anyone who challenges her on this, because she has no right (as agreed by the supreme court) to go ahead alone.

In any case, the leave argument went that Europe needs us more than we need them, so I doubt they'd do anything stupid.
You're right in saying it should be a cross party body handling Brexit, but they should also do this with things like the NHS, but they're too busy bickering and points scoring over both to agree to it.
They'd rather let one side fail so they can mock them for years.

As for having no right, if she wins the election with a decent majority, then she's every right to go it alone.
There shouldn't be a need to have a referendum again to see if we all agree to the terms of Brexit, because no one group will agree with everything and some people will disagree with it all simply because they don't support the Tories.

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Post by claretandy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:12 am

So much for watering down brexit, remoaner tories told to sign up to brexit or leave.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3358730/w ... h-the-sun/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by joey13 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:31 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Yes. And if the likes of Clegg, Clarke, Ashdown, Starmer, Tiny Tim Farron, Tony Bliar, the wealrhy , through the EU, Kinnock family and the foreign born millionairess Gina Miller, had accepted the result of brexit and not pushed for a vote on the outcome of the deal the UK got with the EU. Which would incentivise the EU to give us the worst possible deal. (Imagine doing a deal with someone at a table , knowing they're ultimately answerable to others who actually want to scupper the whole deal.)

They've brought it on themselves. They really have.

And I hope the British people give the whole self serving anti democratic treasonous lot of em, a bloody good electoral kicking!
The typical little Englander thank god I don't live in a country full of people like you .

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Post by JohnMcGreal » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:31 am

The Conservative MP's who are against Brexit, and particularly a hard Brexit, should stand up for their beliefs and resign from the party immediately.

The Tory party is now one of the most extreme political parties in Europe, where moderation and sense are now considered unacceptable traits.

If you're not a swivel-eyed lunatic completely devoted to the Cult that is Brexit, you're the enemy.
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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:42 am

:lol:

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Post by EarbyClaret » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:59 am

"I can't wait for this election to go into full swing. It's going to be the most chaotic, confusing, ill-considered, bad-tempered, badly organised and despairing mess for all the major parties. If mud is the 'great leveller' in football, then in this election it will be Brexit.

Once it becomes clear that May's version of Brexit will result in a dystopian, corporate, race-to-the-bottom wasteland, Labour might just pull off something spectacular."

Come round to thinking along very similar lines 24 hours on. To continue the football analogy this is a 'free hit' for Labour - much like a Burnley away game against top team just after we've collected points at TM. Labour aren't going to win and if Corbyn leads them into the election he'll be gone the morning after. Milliband fought the last campaign with the hand-brake on. He thought he might become PM and therefore tried to take up a position every so slightly to the left of the Tories who had successfully captured the middle ground.

This is Corbyn's chance to leave a meaningful legacy. The situation he now finds himself in ought to play to his political strengths. A real chance to take one for the team and and restore some meaningful credibility for his successor to build on.
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Post by kentonclaret » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:30 am

Best news of all about this election is May's decision to hold no TV debates.

I got sick of hearing about the "extra £350m a week for the NHS" and "Turkey are on the verge of joining the EU" knowing that they were simply blatant lies.

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Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:39 am

kentonclaret wrote:Best news of all about this election is May's decision to hold no TV debates.

I got sick of hearing about the "extra £350m a week for the NHS" and "Turkey are on the verge of joining the EU" knowing that they were simply blatant lies.
Were you also sick of hearing about the emergency Budget and the imminent financial disaster?
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Post by PutTheWheelieBinsOut » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:42 am

kentonclaret wrote:Best news of all about this election is May's decision to hold no TV debates.
I will be voting for the conservatives. However this is May's election to lose, be interesting if the BBC 'empty chair' her if she refuses to take part in the tv debates.

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Post by Spijed » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:42 am

Sidney1st wrote:Were you also sick of hearing about the emergency Budget and the imminent financial disaster?
But they didn't get plastered all over a bus!

Where is the £350 million that was promised for the NHS by Farage, Boris & co.?

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Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:44 am

Spijed wrote:But they didn't get plastered all over a bus!

Where is the £350 million that was promised for the NHS by Farage, Boris & co.?
No they weren't all over a bus, we just had to listen to them droning on about it in the media because apparently they're experts and should be believed...

Where's the money??
No idea, it will probably never materialise, but we haven't left the EU yet last time I checked.

Do you know where it is?

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by claretandy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:45 am

Spijed wrote:But they didn't get plastered all over a bus!

Where is the £350 million that was promised for the NHS by Farage, Boris & co.?
Show me the quote where farage made this promise?

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Spijed » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:51 am

Sidney1st wrote:No they weren't all over a bus, we just had to listen to them droning on about it in the media because apparently they're experts and should be believed...

Where's the money??
No idea, it will probably never materialise, but we haven't left the EU yet last time I checked.

Do you know where it is?
The problem with the additional money that now won't have to go to the EU is that it will still be have to be paid in subsidies to the farmers, organisations and other entities that were getting these same subsidies whilst in the EU.

Still, in the words of Abraham Lincoln "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time, unless you read the Sun, Express or Daily Mail" ;)

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:54 am

Spijed wrote:The problem with the additional money that now won't have to go to the EU is that it will still be have to be paid in subsidies to the farmers, organisations and other entities that were getting these same subsidies whilst in the EU.

Still, in the words of Abraham Lincoln "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time, unless you read the Sun, Express or Daily Mail" ;)
I'm well aware of all the subsidies that people were getting to help them stay in business.

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by PutTheWheelieBinsOut » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:54 am

May is playing a high risk game, she has actually got everything to lose in this election. In the unlikley event of May not getting enough seats to win a majority, I believe May would have to resign has PM. Even if the tories then elected a new leader, I don't think the tories especially the hard brexiteers would entertain the prospect of going into coalition with the Lib Dems again. In these circumstances I think the only outcome would be a further election later in the year.

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Damo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:58 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:The Conservative MP's who are against Brexit, and particularly a hard Brexit, should stand up for their beliefs and resign from the party immediately.

The Tory party is now one of the most extreme political parties in Europe, where moderation and sense are now considered unacceptable traits.

If you're not a swivel-eyed lunatic completely devoted to the Cult that is Brexit, you're the enemy.
:lol:

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by nil_desperandum » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:23 am

Spijed wrote:
But they didn't get plastered all over a bus!
Where is the £350 million that was promised for the NHS by Farage, Boris & co.?
claretandy wrote:Show me the quote where farage made this promise?
It was plastered all over the side of a bus, and was one of the most iconic images of the campaign. Whether or not Farage actually ever used those words I can't be bothered to research, but he was certainly more than happy to stand in front of the slogan and endorse it.
Spijed refered to "Farage, Boris and Co". he didn't specifically attribute the slogan to Farage. I'm not sure who on the "leave" campaign actually came up with it.
Much has been made of Osborne's "emergency budget".
But this was one person's opinion and was never particularly endorsed by the Remain" campaign or adopted as a campaign slogan.

EDIT: Here you go. It didn't actually take hardly any finding:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 02831.html

HEADLINE :Video evidence has emerged of Nigel Farage saying EU cash should be spent on the National Health Service after Brexit.

The Ukip leader on Friday morning denied having endorsed a pledge to spend Britain’s EU contribution on the NHS just hours after the referendum results came in. ....................
.........However footage from BBC Question Time on 9 June – just weeks before the referendum – shows the Ukip leader claiming the available cash was higher than £350 million and saying money should be spent on hospitals and GPs.

“Can we just get to the truth of this - £350 million a week is wrong, it’s higher than that,” he told the programme’s audience.


If you open the link you can even watch the video.
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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:43 am

Sidney1st wrote:So brexiters are idiots for voting to leave and now dim if May is voted back into office with a better majority?
You do know remainers will also vote her back in don't you?
Was it your inability to read that led you to recognise yourself as a dim witted Brexiteer?

I didn't write Brexiteers are idiots, the point that many have made and the dim witted fail to understand is that increasing her majority and moving the date of the next election to 2022 gives her more room to compromise in areas that those wanting a complete break with the EU would resist - final payment, some free movement, rulings from ECJ etc.

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by UpTheBeehole » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:55 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:The Conservative MP's who are against Brexit, and particularly a hard Brexit, should stand up for their beliefs and resign from the party immediately.

The Tory party is now one of the most extreme political parties in Europe, where moderation and sense are now considered unacceptable traits.

If you're not a swivel-eyed lunatic completely devoted to the Cult that is Brexit, you're the enemy.
As stated by the Daily Mail...

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:00 am

Burnley Ace wrote:Was it your inability to read that led you to recognise yourself as a dim witted Brexiteer?

I didn't write Brexiteers are idiots, the point that many have made and the dim witted fail to understand is that increasing her majority and moving the date of the next election to 2022 gives her more room to compromise in areas that those wanting a complete break with the EU would resist - final payment, some free movement, rulings from ECJ etc.
Am I a Brexiteer then?
I've never stated that, but thanks for presuming.

She's trying to make herself an elected leader, thus putting that side of it to bed.
Assuming she gets a stronger majority she can then just get on with Brexit.

She's got 2 years to get the job done, no one knows how the negotiations are going to pan out OR what happens prior to Brexit being finalised.
I'd assume that she'd listen to both sides whilst negotiating our exit from the EU, but I'm also aware she may not.

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:02 am

AndrewJB wrote:You are missing my point. We voted to leave the EU. That much is done. But what our relationship with the EU and the rest of the world now needs to be decided, and I don't want one single party representing the whole country in this negotiation. May should have convened a cross-party body right away to decide on what our negotiating position is - and she failed to do this. I'm fully behind anyone who challenges her on this, because she has no right (as agreed by the supreme court) to go ahead alone.

In any case, the leave argument went that Europe needs us more than we need them, so I doubt they'd do anything stupid.
The booklet that cost 9 million that was distributed to EVERY household in the UK was the closet we got to a contract with the government over the outcome of the referendum.

It stated "This is your decision. The GOVERNMENT will implement what you decide."

Do you understand what that means?

The GOVERNMENT.

That was an official UK government document that was the basis of the vote. It was the closet we could get to a binding legal contract between the People and the Government.

What the likes of Starmer, Clegg, Ashdown, Bliar, Sturgeon and the white flag waving surrender chimp Tiny Tim Farron wanted to do was have a vote effectively have a veto by having a parliamentary vote on any deal. And given most of parliament are Remoaners, it would simply keep sending Teresa May back till they got what they wanted. Which in most of their cases would be remain in the single market; in the ECHR and uncontrolled mass immigration.

So instead of The GOVERNMENT implementing what we decided it'd be a pro EU westeminster deciding it.

And coupled with the fact that certain treasonous tories were colluding along with the SNP, labour and the illiberal antiDemocrats to bring the Great Repeal Bill to a grinding halt in a further attempt to scupper the government. May had no choice to get a bigger majority.

The Remoaners have brought it on themselves by they're bare faced anti democratic un willingness to accept the result.

They'll reap what they've sown
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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:11 am

You've got no idea how democracy works Ringo.

Not. A. Scooby.

No one is being undemocratic, not May, not Farron, not Corybn, not even the guy who runs UKIP. I do wish you'd grasp this concept.

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Re: Downing St Press Conference

Post by SammyBoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:You've got no idea how democracy works Ringo.

Not. A. Scooby.

No one is being undemocratic, not May, not Farron, not Corybn, not even the guy who runs UKIP. I do wish you'd grasp this concept.
He's clearly not got a full deck, I don't know why people bother engaging with him any more. Ringo is so wrapped up in treachery and intrigue he'd be more at home in a Shakespeare play.
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