Mighty Clarets versus Mancy Red Sox

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:36 pm

Didnt know Boyd was playing today.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:37 pm

It'd be nice to see a decent cross put in by one of our wingers or full backs!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:37 pm

Blyclaret wrote:I just don't like what I'm seeing from Burnley today
No intensity forward press
Far too easy for Utd.

complete stroll in the park for them. Very unusual from us tbh, hoping it's a one off.

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:37 pm

Chester Perry wrote:I saw Hendricks and Brady work some magic into their area in that 1st half - I think Fellaini (in particular) Herrera and Pogba have done great stopping jobs on our midfield - we have tried to mix it up but the crucial technique and pace (that costs so much) has not been there in the way we all dream of

Sorry mate but we are set up that way, one phase of play does not account for plan B.

Baton been a passenger this game.

Of course pace and power cost a lot , they also need feeding!!!

Lowton once again proves he couldn't cross a road , decent defender mind...

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:38 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:hoping it's a one off.

I've read that quite a few times on here this season.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:39 pm

and here comes Marcus Rashford

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:39 pm

watsonsclarets wrote:I'm blaming him for how we set up with the break away goal....

Owt to say about that

I agree with you about that.

Just find it bizarre a manager is getting blamed for a player heading the ball to Pogba.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:39 pm

I fancy Rashford to get a goal.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:complete stroll in the park for them. Very unusual from us tbh, hoping it's a one off.

How can it be a 1 off if it's happening all the time? 1 win in 10 says it all.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:Making a tactical half time change is a bit different to swapping like for like due to an injury.

You were still wrong though.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:42 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You were still wrong though.

If you consider a forced defensive change due to injury as a tactical change it proves how little you know.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:43 pm

Murger wrote:How can it be a 1 off if it's happening all the time? 1 win in 10 says it all.

I'm trying to put it into perspective, our last 3 home games gave been Chelsea, Spurs and United - we were always gonna struggle in this run. If we go down it's our away form that has done us.

I expected more fight today, I don't think the tactics have helped either but I didn't really expect us to win today

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:43 pm

Eric Bailly playing like Kante except he is the last line of defence - impressive

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:44 pm

I'm impressed we've had 45% possession.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:45 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Eric Bailly playing like Kante except he is the last line of defence - impressive

Hes not been a pro player very long either has he?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:
If you consider a forced defensive change due to injury as a tactical change it proves how little you know.

I don't consider it a tactical change, but it still makes you wrong when you said he doesn't make ht subs.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:46 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm impressed we've had 45% possession.

and climbing - is this change in tactic the root of our misery today

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:47 pm

Pedentary tall Paul.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:48 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Pedentary tall Paul.

Pedantry

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:48 pm

Lets see what Agyei can do with 15mins.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:48 pm

Barnes subbed

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:49 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I don't consider it a tactical change, but it still makes you wrong when you said he doesn't make ht subs.

Pedantic or what

The reference is clearly made that he had no choice to make that substitution but you just can't let it go can you Paul.

I'll await another of your childish nonsense responses to which I will no longer reply

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:49 pm

Defour must be a massive **** to not get a game.

He'll be gone at the end of the season. Shame.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:49 pm

So sean gives the fans 2 of the changes they wanted at ht - would be wrong I feel to put too much pressure on Agyei by bringing him on too early

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:50 pm

There isn't much Defour could do is there?

The players don't seem to be in sync with each other, disjointed so to speak.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:51 pm

Is that Utd's first yellow?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:51 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I don't consider it a tactical change, but it still makes you wrong when you said he doesn't make ht subs.

He was forced.... Obviously he makes changes if he's forced. Are you acting stupid or are you actually this thick?

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:51 pm

Can we leave the petty dick waving until after the match as per usual?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:51 pm

MikyerttryertertytrtytrtrtertyuruiryghnfhN coming on

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:51 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Defour must be a massive **** to not get a game.

He'll be gone at the end of the season. Shame.

may have something to do with Mee's injury

HyperClaret · Post by **HyperClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:52 pm

I don't know if many of you have seen Defour and his wife''s twitter accounts, but his wife certainly didn't seem at all to think that he was 'too good' for Burnley, on the contrary they appear to really appreciate the club and the fans? But idk

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:52 pm

What we can say is that if Dyche was going to make a half time sub, the fact he had to make a change in the back 4 probably scuppered it, so its probably a bit unfair to criticise him for not doing so today.

What he might have done is shuffle the pack a bit. As I said earlier, Barnes down the middle was suffocated by Fellaini today, so we needed to get him into a different area of the pitch.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:53 pm

10 minutes for a miracle

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:56 pm

Incomprehensible for me why Defour isn`t on the bloody pitch. Are we just accepting this defeat?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:56 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:10 minutes for a miracle

Like support for manager?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:56 pm

on a positive note unless United get spanked away to City midweek I think they'll beat Swansea next weekend

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:59 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Like support for manager?

He'd only get 100% support if he won the league and even then from some people it would depend on what style of football was played.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:00 pm

Tarks had a nightmare since coming on

HyperClaret · Post by **HyperClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:He'd only get 100% support if he won the league and even then from some people it would depend on what style of football was played.

I'd like to think that he would at least momentarily get 100% support if we stay up

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:He'd only get 100% support if he won the league and even then from some people it would depend on what style of football was played.

don't believe any manager would get that level of support no matter the level of success - especially Sean who appears to be getting more marmite the longer he stays (as predicted last summer by a few on here)

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Tarks had a nightmare since coming on

That's because he's not in ABCs favoured position.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:03 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Defour must be a massive **** to not get a game.

He'll be gone at the end of the season. Shame.

A shame indeed: we're still in desperate need of more points and he's one of our best players. Sorry, but I cannot fathom that

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:03 pm

Do we have anyone who can actually cross a ball

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:05 pm

I`m just wondering under what circumstances Dyche would have brought Defour onto the pitch. 2-0 up with 5 to play? 4-0 down after 80. We were still relatively in the game for the whole of the 2nd half. No doubt Mee being injured will be used as a reason for why we couldn`t introduce him. Not for one second suggesting Defour would have got us a point, but a side struggling to create anything should surely bring on a creative player as a sub?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:06 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Hes not been a pro player very long either has he?

re Eric Bailly - 23 a year younger than Keane, Gibson and Maguire - a year older than Stones though less experience

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:07 pm

SD frowns on creativity, gets in the way of the Puritan framework.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:08 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I`m just wondering under what circumstances Dyche would have brought Defour onto the pitch. 2-0 up with 5 to play? 4-0 down after 80. We were still relatively in the game for the whole of the 2nd half. No doubt Mee being injured will be used as a reason for why we couldn`t introduce him. Not for one second suggesting Defour would have got us a point, but a side struggling to create anything should surely bring on a creative player as a sub?

He had 2 subs today. He decided the first one to use was to bring JBG on, to give us more with. Fair enough. Not the only option, but fair enough.

The second change was to bring Agyei on for Barnes. Given the lack of another striker on the bench, probably fair. To go 4-5-1 at that stage would have been decidedly odd.

So - given we only had 2 available subs, whilst I can entirely see the argument for bringing on Defour, I can also see exactly why Dyche took the route he did.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:09 pm

That was absolutely atrocious

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Disappointing result - but utd will be a hell of a force next season - definitely been a lot of growth in that squad over the season

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:09 pm

It's how we are set-up to start with which is the real killer.