Another car crash for diane abbott

[IanMcL]

What a shambles of a country led by hopeless cases.
We really need to be in Europe so we can hide!

[dsr]

Perhaps we should look at the recent past rather than 34 years ago. T May's record in the Home Office?, Statements about being a remainer before suddenly becoming a leaver?, speeches(lies) about no early election?, fag packet policy on dementia charges?, fox hunting backing?, police numbers reduced?, backing fracking? grammar school backing, refusal to publish reports on air quality?, refusal to publish Saudi Arabia links to terrorism, trying to go back on Leveson..... Brush it all under the carpet and pretend everything is strong and stable? I think not, she's a sham !

It's not just 34 years ago. For 32 years in Parliament, Corbyn was never in the Cabinet or the Shadow Cabinet, he achieved nothing, he was repeatedly censured by his own party - even by Kinnock, he was useless. And since he became Leader of the Opposition, he hasn't improved - his performance at Prime Minister's Questions is appalling, he hasn't landed a blow in Parliament in spite of May's supposed failings, and as Leader of the Opposition he had just about the lowest popularity rating ever.

So what has he proved over 34 years in Parliament? That he can run a better election campaign than Theresa May. Wow. In 34 years, if that's the best he's done, then he's wasted some space.

[aggi]

On another thread Rowls kept suggesting that we look at Wikipedia to see what a good job Theresa May had done as home secretary. I had a look and this is what I found:


She did good work on
minimising civil liberties (snooper's charter, David Miranda),
getting rid of many thousands of police officers,
curbing the right to protest (admittedly she was also in charge of the home office during some of the worst rioting for many years so didn't do too well),
bringing net immigration levels down (erm, kind of down) from 210,000 to 290,000 (despite promising levels of 100,000),
fabricating a story about being unable to deport someone because of a cat,
being found in contempt of court
being willing to allow someone to die "to score a political point" over the deportation of mentally ill Nigerian man Isa Muazu,
vans with advertising hoardings on them telling immigrants to "go home" (these were also found to be in breach of the Advertising Standards Agency due to them being untrue, not the first time that's happened for her)
overseeing a huge backlog that was allowed to build up for passport applications.

[quoonbeatz]

anther car crash for diane abbott, increasing her majority by 11,000.

[evensteadiereddie]

Love it, quoon, love it.

[UpTheBeehole]

Diane Abbott's majority was just shy of Theresa May's entire vote

[BleedingClaret]

anther car crash for diane abbott, increasing her majority by 11,000.

She'll be doubley happy cos according to Corbyn Labour won!
Forget new labour, new maths.
You should be disappointed because May harmed herself, if Labour wasn't led by people with a very shady past then Labour and their people friendly policies would be in power.
Opportunity lost.
See Clegg 2010 see Clegg now see Corbyn in 5 years, there is too many people that would vote for Labour but not the Corbyn, McDonald and Abbott Axis.
261 is more than 317.... only if some people are more equal than others.
I am traditionally a Labour voter but I would never vote for Corbyn, he's done amazingly considering but that imo is his ceiling.
He assures a bigger Tory vote than Labour vote.

[Imploding Turtle]

She'll be doubley happy cos according to Corbyn Labour won!
Forget new labour, new maths.
You should be disappointed because May harmed herself, if Labour wasn't led by people with a very shady past then Labour and their people friendly policies would be in power.
Opportunity lost.
See Clegg 2010 see Clegg now see Corbyn in 5 years, there is too many people that would vote for Labour but not the Corbyn, McDonald and Abbott Axis.
261 is more than 317.... only if some people are more equal than others.
I am traditionally a Labour voter but I would never vote for Corbyn, he's done amazingly considering but that imo is his ceiling.
He assures a bigger Tory vote than Labour vote.

I don't believe Corbyn said that Labour won. I think you're making that up.

[BleedingClaret]

I don't believe Corbyn said that Labour won. I think you're making that up.

I'm not... he has said that is why we won the election
And McDonnell is saying they are going to form a minority government but without a coalition or any deals..... eh????

[quoonbeatz]

You should be disappointed because May harmed herself, if Labour wasn't led by people with a very shady past then Labour and their people friendly policies would be in power.

i'm not disappointed.

the political balance needed redressing and it has been. i'd rather a proper centrist government rather than either a left or right one, i don't want extreme swings either way.

so i think its good that may has shot herself in the foot like this.

and i'm no fan of diane abbott; i've always found her to be a bit of a pompous knob who has a tendency to talk down to people.

i was merely pointing out that, considering the level of scrutiny and abuse she's faced in this campaign, to come out with that result is pretty impressive.

[BleedingClaret]

i'm not disappointed.

the political balance needed redressing and it has been. i'd rather a proper centrist government rather than either a left or right one, i don't want extreme swings either way.

so i think its good that may has shot herself in the foot like this.

and i'm no fan of diane abbott; i've always found her to be a bit of a pompous knob who has a tendency to talk down to people.

i was merely pointing out that, considering the level of scrutiny and abuse she's faced in this campaign, to come out with that result is pretty impressive.

I think her vote was more for Labour and Corbyn but I get your point.

[Firthy]

Corbyn does want to form a minority government though, what a joke. How much of a mess is our politics in with the likes of Diane Abbott getting an 11,000 majority, Labour considering last night a victory and suggesting they could form a minority government, Conservatives losing an overall majority and Brexit looming on the horizon. Fun days ahead for everyone.

[quoonbeatz]

How much of a mess is our politics in with the likes of Diane Abbott getting an 11,000 majority

*35,000 majority.

how much of a mess is our politics in when the prime minister only just about gets more votes than that?

[Firthy]

*35,000 majority.

how much of a mess is our politics in when the prime minister only just about gets more votes than that?

Oops my bad thought I'd read on this thread it was 11,000. That makes it even worse

Labour are a shambles which shows when they consider it a victory when losing by 50+ seats to the Conservatives with a pathetic election campaign.

Conservatives shot themselves in the foot so many times, especially with Theresa May refusing to appear on TV and the unfortunate timing of the Manchester and London terrorist attacks didn't help them.

Labour have never had a better chance of winning and they still couldn't manage it. IMO I thought their attacks on the Conservatives over police cuts and basically blaming them for the attacks harmed them and if it wasn't for that might have been closer.

[HatfieldClaret]

anther car crash for diane abbott, increasing her majority by 11,000.

have you been to Hackney ? Doesn't surprise me at all...

[quoonbeatz]

have you been to Hackney ? Doesn't surprise me at all...

yes, i've got quite a few friends who live there.

[Pimlico_Claret]

Oops my bad thought I'd read on this thread it was 11,000. That makes it even worse

Labour are a shambles which shows when they consider it a victory when losing by 50+ seats to the Conservatives with a pathetic election campaign.

Conservatives shot themselves in the foot so many times, especially with Theresa May refusing to appear on TV and the unfortunate timing of the Manchester and London terrorist attacks didn't help them.

Labour have never had a better chance of winning and they still couldn't manage it. IMO I thought their attacks on the Conservatives over police cuts and basically blaming them for the attacks harmed them and if it wasn't for that might have been closer.

Unfortunate timing of the Manchester and London terrorist attacks????
Unfortunate for who exactly, the dead and injured or the Tory party, how dare those pesky terrorists not wait for a more convenient time to cause their atrocities. Some comments beggar belief.

[Firthy]

Unfortunate timing of the Manchester and London terrorist attacks????
Unfortunate for who exactly, the dead and injured or the Tory party, how dare those pesky terrorists not wait for a more convenient time to cause their atrocities. Some comments beggar belief.

Stop trying to twist what I wrote. You know what I mean. It doesn't matter when a terrorist attack happens it's absolutely disgusting and abhorrent that they ever happen but the fact they happened when they did gave Labour ammunition to use against the Conservatives which which I personally find disgusting. No police force can prevent the type of attack that happened in London but in modern day blame culture society they have to find someone to try and blame.

[UpTheBeehole]

If the police hadn't had their funding and numbers cut they might have been able to act on the tipoffs given to them by the muslim communities in Manchester and London that these attacks were imminent.

That falls to Theresa May in her roles in the last 7 years as Home Secretary and Prime Minister

[quoonbeatz]

Stop trying to twist what I wrote. You know what I mean. It doesn't matter when a terrorist attack happens it's absolutely disgusting and abhorrent that they ever happen but the fact they happened when they did gave Labour ammunition to use against the Conservatives which which I personally find disgusting. No police force can prevent the type of attack that happened in London but in modern day blame culture society they have to find someone to try and blame.

actually, it gave the tories more ammo to prey on peoples' fears and go all 1984 whilst all the time continuing to be friendly with the countries that support these terrorists the most.

[smudge]

have you been to Hackney ? Doesn't surprise me at all...

Come on explain that stupid comment

[john'sroseyspecs]

Come on explain that stupid comment

I assume he meant it was full of working class people and therefore natural Labour supporters

[HatfieldClaret]

It is an absolute dump, if it was on a Monopoly board it would be cheaper than the Old Kent Road, that's all.

[aggi]

It is an absolute dump, if it was on a Monopoly board it would be cheaper than the Old Kent Road, that's all.

You're right, that Stoke Newington is a real dump, just like OKR.

[Hipper]

If the police hadn't had their funding and numbers cut they might have been able to act on the tipoffs given to them by the muslim communities in Manchester and London that these attacks were imminent.

And they might not!

[HatfieldClaret]

If the police hadn't had their funding and numbers cut they might have been able to act on the tipoffs given to them by the muslim communities in Manchester and London that these attacks were imminent.

That falls to Theresa May in her roles in the last 7 years as Home Secretary and Prime Minister

have the police or MI5 said that ?

No, fake news from an election campaign ?