Trump's Lies

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:24 pm

BennyD wrote:All this bickering about a tw4t over the ocean, what about Corbyn? He's a tw4t much closer to home. He pulled off an extremely unlikely election result by telling students he would write off their debts, past present and future. He's now distancing himself from his pledges because it now turns out neither he or his partners in crime had the faintest idea what it would cost. What a tw4t.

He didn't say that. This was something i've debunked already on here. You only need to look at the text of the manifesto to see that he wasn't saying Labour would write off all the debt.

Edit: I might be wrong about it being in the manifesto, but i do recall reading that student debt accrued between certain years would be written off with a view to finding ways to make it affordable to write all the debt off. I'll keep looking, but if you can find an example of Corbyn stating that all student debt would be written off then i'll defer to his own words.

Edit #2: This isn't where i originally read it but even the Daily Mail reported that it was only part of the debt. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -debt.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit: #3 but feel free to start a thread titled "Corbyn's lies" We'll see how many lies he actually tells compared to Trump,

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:37 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:President in name only.

It's been 6 months, what has he done?

Well he has clearly given you the chance to dribble on like a deranged lunatic ever since he won.

Oh yeah the great Obama achieved such fantastic stuff in his whole 8 years didn't he ? Useless, weak and a complete fraud.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:54 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:Well he has clearly given you the chance to dribble on like a deranged lunatic ever since he won.

Oh yeah the great Obama achieved such fantastic stuff in his whole 8 years didn't he ? Useless, weak and a complete fraud.

Rescued America from the Great Recession
Passed Obamacare which has allowed over 20 million people to afford health insurance
- which ended "pre-existing conditions as an excuse to deny insurance
- which ended state monopolies of health insurance providers by creating actual competition
- which ended life-time limits on the amount of healthcare you can be covered for
- which ended tons of other horrible **** insurance companies used to get away with to not pay out
Ended the Iraq war
Killed Bin Laden
Saved the Auto Industry
Ended American torture
Halved homeless rates among veterens
Ended the Cuba embargo
Ended "Don't ask, don't tell" to allow gays to serve openly in the military
Ended the Iranian nuclear program without a war

And he did all this despite the Republicans in congress filibustering almost everything he attempted, including Republican ideas that he decided were good ideas that when he came out in favour of them the Republicans decided to instead be against their own ideas, which led to the hilarious situation where Mitch McConnell was filibustering his own bill.

I could probably think of more or find more on Google but i think this throroughly embarrasses your post.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:03 pm

All Trump supporters do when questioned about supporting him is go "Well, what did Obama do".

None of what Trump has done so far thats for sure!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:All Trump supporters do when questioned about supporting him is go "Well, what did Obama do".

None of what Trump has done so far thats for sure!

You ever notice how ****-kickers like LaLigaClaret will post something that's obviously bullshit, have it debunked, and then never respond? It happened the other day too when someone questioned whether Trump was really dumb enough to think you could acidwash emails. Not a peep about it once the proof was displayed that he really is that thick.

At least in terms of the latter i can reasonably think it's because he's finally waking up, but people like LaLiga are genuinely, rabidly fanatical about their hatred of anyone who disagrees with their world view. Liberalism is a disease to them and anyone carrying it should be eliminated. The truth is irrelevent, it doesn't matter how corrupt or treasonous Trump is because liberals are their real enemy. And if Russia and Putin helps them in their war on liberals? Well, the enemy of my enemy...

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:18 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:Well he has clearly given you the chance to dribble on like a deranged lunatic ever since he won.

Oh yeah the great Obama achieved such fantastic stuff in his whole 8 years didn't he ? Useless, weak and a complete fraud.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(I'm under no illusions that you'll bother to read it, though)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:19 pm

Greenmile wrote:http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

(I'm under no illusions that you'll bother to read it, though)

No, what he'll do is pick the least consequential accomplishment he can find and bring that one to this thread and then mock you for linking a list that says that is an accomplishment.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Rescued America from the Great Recession
Passed Obamacare which has allowed over 20 million people to afford health insurance
- which ended "pre-existing conditions as an excuse to deny insurance
- which ended state monopolies of health insurance providers by creating actual competition
- which ended life-time limits on the amount of healthcare you can be covered for
- which ended tons of other horrible **** insurance companies used to get away with to not pay out
Ended the Iraq war
Killed Bin Laden
Saved the Auto Industry
Ended American torture
Halved homeless rates among veterens
Ended the Cuba embargo
Ended "Don't ask, don't tell" to allow gays to serve openly in the military
Ended the Iranian nuclear program without a war

And he did all this despite the Republicans in congress filibustering almost everything he attempted, including Republican ideas that he decided were good ideas that when he came out in favour of them the Republicans decided to instead be against their own ideas, which led to the hilarious situation where Mitch McConnell was filibustering his own bill.

I could probably think of more or find more on Google but i think this throroughly embarrasses your post.

Embarrassed ? Ha ! Ha! You have to be kidding. Most of what you claim is complete nonsense and a total misrepresentation of the facts.

Obama care is a complete shambles and needs to be replaced. I will grant you his alternative does have some flaws but is still better overall and can be improved over time.

Iraq ? What a mess and in total abject shite.

Bin Laden ? Yeah but Al Queda and IS still operating in his place. Terrorism greatly increased and much more prevalent.

Saved the Auto industry ? No he didn't.

Ended torture ? Really ? So Guantamino Bay doesn't exist then ? Underground prisons don't exist then ? Police brutality doesn't exist then ?

Halved homeless rates among veterans ? Really, so why do veterans organisations overwhelmingly support Trump and complain of their treatment under Obama?

Granted he ended the Cuba embargo but at the fag end of his eight years and was not complete but in a transitional phase. Of course it may have had to do with trying to garner Hispanic votes for the Democrats but he wouldn't have done that would he ???

Gays in the Army ? True but not exactly a major triumph for a President is it?

Ended the Iranian nuclear programme without a war ? If there was any nuclear danger in the first place that is because I seem to recall they still have a nuclear programme but it is under verification instead. The price was billions of dollars in return and still no proof that Iran were actually producing nuclear weapons. A bit like the WMD claims that proved to be totally fictitious.

So I think it is you that needs to be embarrassed.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:48 pm

BennyD wrote:All this bickering about a tw4t over the ocean, what about Corbyn? He's a tw4t much closer to home. He pulled off an extremely unlikely election result by telling students he would write off their debts, past present and future. He's now distancing himself from his pledges because it now turns out neither he or his partners in crime had the faintest idea what it would cost. What a two faced, four flushing, pig eyed sack of sh!t. Personally, I'd take a dickhead like Trump over Corbyn.

You really think students voted in record numbers simply because of that? Don't you think 'Momentum' had a huge influence how students voted.

Regardless of whether student debts will be written off, there is no way they will be voting for the Conservatives anytime soon. The Tories know they have a serious problem as a result. I'd be willing to bet that if Teresa May had said we'll wipe out your debts but Labour hadn't at the last election the result would have been pretty much the same.

The Conservative party is simply too much of a toxic brand at the moment for the younger generation, and false promises or not by the Labour party won't make a blind bit of difference to the way they currently vote.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:04 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:Embarrassed ? Ha ! Ha! You have to be kidding. Most of what you claim is complete nonsense and a total misrepresentation of the facts.

Obama care is a complete shambles and needs to be replaced. I will grant you his alternative does have some flaws but is still better overall and can be improved over time.
IT: It has majority support from the US public despite many red states refusing to implement it. It's imperfect but clearly not a shambles no matter what GOP bullshit your parrot. And the idea that Trumpcare that would see deductables of $800 skyrocket to $13,000 and throw 23 million off their insurance is somehow better is so ******* stupid that it explains why you like Trump.

Iraq ? What a mess and in total abject shite.
IT: Yep. That's not his fault. He didn't invade it. now is he responsible for the training of the Iraqi soldiers who laid down arms and ran when faced with fighting. That's Bush.

Bin Laden ? Yeah but Al Queda and IS still operating in his place. Terrorism greatly increased and much more prevalent.
IT: "Yeah but"... he's dead and al-queda are a shadow of their former selves.

Saved the Auto industry ? No he didn't.
IT: Yes, he did - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -industry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ended torture ? Really ? So Guantamino Bay doesn't exist then ? Underground prisons don't exist then ? Police brutality doesn't exist then ?
He was prevented from closing Gitmo by Republicans in congress. That's not his fault. and it's still not torture. It's funny how you think it is though because you're the kind of hypocrite that on another day will criticise him for even trying to close it.

Halved homeless rates among veterans ? Really, so why do veterans organisations overwhelmingly support Trump and complain of their treatment under Obama?
IT: No they don't. source? I do remember one veteran's organisation claimed to endorse him quite early on before it turned out that that organisation was a scam. which is so very Trumpian.

Granted he ended the Cuba embargo but at the fag end of his eight years and was not complete but in a transitional phase. Of course it may have had to do with trying to garner Hispanic votes for the Democrats but he wouldn't have done that would he ???

Gays in the Army ? True but not exactly a major triumph for a President is it?
IT: You don't think gaining equality for those fighting for you is a major triumph? You don't have a clue, do you?

Ended the Iranian nuclear programme without a war ? If there was any nuclear danger in the first place that is because I seem to recall they still have a nuclear programme but it is under verification instead. The price was billions of dollars in return and still no proof that Iran were actually producing nuclear weapons. A bit like the WMD claims that proved to be totally fictitious.
IT: So you people have been screaming for years about how we have to "bomb Iran, bomb bomb Iran" because they're going to nuke Israel, but now that President Blackenstein finds a way to end their nuclear weapons programme without bombing them you're now complaining that the programme never existed in the first place And the money Iran got in "exchange" for this deal was their own money in the first place. It was money frozen by the U.S., but you'd have everyone believe the U.S. were paying them because you're a filthy, lying sack of ****.

So I think it is you that needs to be embarrassed.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:01 pm

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My, my IT not only are you unhealthily obsessed with President Trump but you are becoming totally unglued as well. You would have to improve as a human being a billion times over to be even considered a worthless piece of s**t. You are I am afraid totally clinically brain dead. Now go away and literally IMPLODE !!!!

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:07 pm

Greenmile wrote:http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

(I'm under no illusions that you'll bother to read it, though)

Yes I went to the link then your right I didn't read it because its obviously has the same agenda as people like IT and was full of unadulterated crap.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You ever notice how ****-kickers like LaLigaClaret will post something that's obviously bullshit, have it debunked, and then never respond? It happened the other day too when someone questioned whether Trump was really dumb enough to think you could acidwash emails. Not a peep about it once the proof was displayed that he really is that thick.

At least in terms of the latter i can reasonably think it's because he's finally waking up, but people like LaLiga are genuinely, rabidly fanatical about their hatred of anyone who disagrees with their world view. Liberalism is a disease to them and anyone carrying it should be eliminated. The truth is irrelevent, it doesn't matter how corrupt or treasonous Trump is because liberals are their real enemy. And if Russia and Putin helps them in their war on liberals? Well, the enemy of my enemy...

Not bullshit, not debunked and responded to. Rant and pour out s**t as much as you like it ain't working. No-one gives a toss for your constant obsession you need serious help.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:16 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
My, my IT not only are you unhealthily obsessed with President Trump but you are becoming totally unglued as well. You would have to improve as a human being a billion times over to be even considered a worthless piece of s**t. You are I am afraid totally clinically brain dead. Now go away and literally IMPLODE !!!!

Good argument

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:28 pm

Greenmile wrote:Good argument

Think about how upset he'll be when Trump either quits or gets kicked out. The tantrums are going to be glorious.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:29 pm

Well, some fair and balanced arguments there LaLiga.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:33 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:Not bullshit, not debunked and responded to. Rant and pour out s**t as much as you like it ain't working. No-one gives a toss for your constant obsession you need serious help.

You provided absolutely nothing to support your assertions, and we both know it's because you know you can't. You just parrot what the propagandists on Fox News/Daily Mail tell you to think.

I bet you can't even explain why it is you hate Obama so much, or even why you're opposed to Obamacare, or any of the other complaints people like you have. And that's because they're not your complaints, you're only parroting talkings points, and you have no idea if they're even true. They're just negative things to say about the black guy so you'll believe them without question. It's why you think pointing out Trump's lies, his corruption and the real possibility that he's a traitor to his country; you think it's about being anti-Trump, or it's about being upset about an election, but the truth is neither of those are the reason. The reason is simple, this **** needs investigating. A president's lies need exposing and calling out, no matter who the president is.

But the good news for you is that when it all comes to a head and the extremists with guns who decide to retaliate violently won't be going after people like you, they'll be going after people like me because they are just as stupid as you and think they're victims of an anti-Trump witch-hunt. Andi'm pretty sure that's exactly what you want.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:53 pm

Spijed wrote:You really think students voted in record numbers simply because of that? Don't you think 'Momentum' had a huge influence how students voted.

Regardless of whether student debts will be written off, there is no way they will be voting for the Conservatives anytime soon. The Tories know they have a serious problem as a result. I'd be willing to bet that if Teresa May had said we'll wipe out your debts but Labour hadn't at the last election the result would have been pretty much the same.

The Conservative party is simply too much of a toxic brand at the moment for the younger generation, and false promises or not by the Labour party won't make a blind bit of difference to the way they currently vote.

In that case, if these idiots are our future, were f*cked, because I f they can't see through Corbyn and his cronies, we deserve all that's coming to us. Why don't they look back to the 70s and see what Labour and their acolytes did to this country? They should be very careful what they wish for, they might get it.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Think about how upset he'll be when Trump either quits or gets kicked out. The tantrums are going to be glorious.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:52 am

BennyD wrote:In that case, if these idiots are our future, were f*cked, because I f they can't see through Corbyn and his cronies, we deserve all that's coming to us. Why don't they look back to the 70s and see what Labour and their acolytes did to this country? They should be very careful what they wish for, they might get it.

The problem you've got is that "look at the 70s" seems like the only argument you have against left-wing politics, and that's easily countered by "look at the last 7 years" of neo-liberalism, austerity, privatisation and ****-the-poor/disabled/working class politics.

And with Corbyn what is there to see through? If he a compulsive liar like previous Labour or Tory leaders? No. So what is his deception that must be made known

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:02 am

In that case, if these idiots are our future, were f*cked, because I f they can't see through Corbyn and his cronies, we deserve all that's coming to us. Why don't they look back to the 70s and see what Labour and their acolytes did to this country? They should be very careful what they wish for, they might get it.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the only other alternative is currently just as bad with what they are doing, and they are flinging xenophobia into the mix as well.

Hobsons Choice for people like me.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The problem you've got is that "look at the 70s" seems like the only argument you have against left-wing politics, and that's easily countered by "look at the last 7 years" of neo-liberalism, austerity, privatisation and ****-the-poor/disabled/working class politics.

And with Corbyn what is there to see through? If he a compulsive liar like previous Labour or Tory leaders? No. So what is his deception that must be made known

The 70s will always be an argument against hard left politics because their MO is tax and spend. Unfortunately they tend to spend more than they get whilst letting the unions off the leash to double f*ck the economy as well. Consequently, Corbyn has been trying to keep a lid on the hard liners but his continued presence is giving them oxygen. Also, the student debt fiasco; he appealed to the student body by pledging to 'look at and deal with' the problem of student loans (or however you tried to justify it) before totally backing off it now the election trail is over. I said at the time that it's easy to make promises you can't keep because they are not made on oath. Austerity came about because of the profligacy of the last, admittedly more centre, labour government and, as for screwing the lower classes, we have far too many slackers sponging off the state from choice.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:44 am

Trump = Dangerous

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You provided absolutely nothing to support your assertions, and we both know it's because you know you can't. You just parrot what the propagandists on Fox News/Daily Mail tell you to think.

I bet you can't even explain why it is you hate Obama so much, or even why you're opposed to Obamacare, or any of the other complaints people like you have. And that's because they're not your complaints, you're only parroting talkings points, and you have no idea if they're even true. They're just negative things to say about the black guy so you'll believe them without question. It's why you think pointing out Trump's lies, his corruption and the real possibility that he's a traitor to his country; you think it's about being anti-Trump, or it's about being upset about an election, but the truth is neither of those are the reason. The reason is simple, this **** needs investigating. A president's lies need exposing and calling out, no matter who the president is.

But the good news for you is that when it all comes to a head and the extremists with guns who decide to retaliate violently won't be going after people like you, they'll be going after people like me because they are just as stupid as you and think they're victims of an anti-Trump witch-hunt. Andi'm pretty sure that's exactly what you want.

You really have a problem IT. Please look back at my post warning you that Donald Trump was going to win when you were ranting on about him at the time he won the Republican nomination. You were dribbling on about how wonderful Hillary Clinton was and how stupid everyone was for even suggesting he might win. I told you about the groundswell of opinion in the USA but you wouldn't have it.

At that time I completely demolished your claims about the Obama presidency and provided lots of information on just how weak and useless he was. I also completely demolished your pathetic musings about Hillary Clinton. I don't see the need to regurgitate everything again as I was proved 100% completely right. Trump won.

I don't hate Obama in the way you hate Trump. I just think Obama was a charismatic man who was all slogan and hype but absolutely no substance and so it has overwhelmingly proved. I don't need to address all of the "fake news" assertions made in the links for "Cut the Crap" because it was immediately obvious it was full of crap and manufactured using exactly the same approach as you do. Obama achieved very little and turned the USA into a joke internationally. He might have been the media's darling but in terms of policy and implementation he was useless and weak and he reduced America's reputation as a country substantially. History will not be kind about his legacy or should I say lack of it.

I thought Hillary Clinton run an absolutely appalling campaign, full of lies, smear campaigning and taking people for granted. She got what she fully deserved.

You may be surprised to know that I have always supported and admired the Democratic party in the USA and loathed both the Bushes. However that changed with Obama as I predicted to my friends and family during his campaign to become President that he would be out of his depth because at no stage during that campaign did he ever tell people about his policies or ideas. Hillary Clinton did exactly the same. I had told you in other previous posts that my American family and friends had always voted Democrat but changed to Trump last time and I will tell you now that they still support him.

I understand that you don't support Trump but I cannot understand your incessant obsession with analysing every burp, fart and squeak he makes. You really do have an unhealthy mission in life that seems to fill your every waking hour.

Just accept Trump is President and wait and see how it develops and works out. Stop obsessing as you are giving the appearance of a deranged stalker. I assure you I have never parroted other peoples complaints I am quite capable of using rational thought and drawing my own conclusions.

As for your allegations of Trump being a traitor, his corruption and his lies when and if there is actual proof then I will say so clearly but there is no such proof at the moment just a media driven froth who somehow think if they keep making allegations over every breath he takes then they will get another insider politician in place who plays the Washington game of elitism and keeping the status quo. Just get over it.

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:03 pm

BennyD wrote:The 70s will always be an argument against hard left politics because their MO is tax and spend. Unfortunately they tend to spend more than they get whilst letting the unions off the leash to double f*ck the economy as well.

Austerity came about because of the profligacy of the last, admittedly more centre, labour government and, as for screwing the lower classes, we have far too many slackers sponging off the state from choice.

Are these two statements true?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:04 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:You were dribbling on about how wonderful Hillary Clinton was...

This is why no one takes you seriously, you just make **** up about other people so much. You've lost the right for anyone to take you seriously (to whatever extent we were) until you can back up this assertion with some quotes demonstrating that this what you've said about me is true.

At that time I completely demolished your claims about the Obama presidency and provided lots of information on just how weak and useless he was. I also completely demolished your pathetic musings about Hillary Clinton. I don't see the need to regurgitate everything again...

What "pathetic musings"? And where did you demoslish them? You don't need to regurgitate it, you just need to link to it. But we both know you can't do that because it never happened. Saying it did happen doesn't make it true.

I don't hate Obama in the way you hate Trump. I just think Obama was a charismatic man who was all slogan and hype but absolutely no substance and so it has overwhelmingly proved.

You're right about one thing, I hate Trump for being corrupt and a liar. You hate Obama because he's black and not right-wing enough. But holy **** the reast of this quote is a hilarious reversal of what is actually true. You're completely delusional.

You may be surprised to know that I have always supported and admired the Democratic party in the USA and loathed both the Bushes. However that changed with Obama as I predicted to my friends and family during his campaign to become President that he would be out of his depth because at no stage during that campaign did he ever tell people about his policies or ideas.

I certainly believe you when you say you always supported and admired the Democratic party, just not the Democratic party of the 20th or 21st century. And the idea that Obama was out of his depth when he rescued the U.S. economy from the deepest recession since the Great Depressions is ******* hilarious. As is the suggestion that he neevr told the American people about his policies while he ran for the office. Again, you're just making up **** and saying it and expecting people to be as stupid as you in believing it.
Here's a list of his promises, all of them, not just campaign promises, and how he did in keeping them - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... er/browse/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; As for his policies, do you think the stimulus wasn't mentioned? Tarp wasn't mentioned? healthcare reform wasn't mentioned? Withdrawing from Iraq? You even cited one of his campaign promises earlier to criticise him for not keeping it (thanks to Republican obstruction) and now you're saying he never explained any of his policies?

Just accept Trump is President and wait and see how it develops and works out. Stop obsessing as you are giving the appearance of a deranged stalker. I assure you I have never parroted other peoples complaints I am quite capable of using rational thought and drawing my own conclusions.

I've accepted that he's the president. But isn't it funny how you're demanding that I wait and see how it develops and works out all while you refer to anything regarding Trump's collusion and potential treason as "fake news", that's hardly you "waiting and seeing how it develops and works out" is it? In fact you've even called it "fake news" when the New York Times reported that Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer for the purpose of optaining anti-Clinton documents from the Russian government without even reading the contents of the link. And the reason i know you didn't read the article is because the information explaining what Trump Jr. had done came directly from Trump Jr. himself. So i don't see why you think anyone should ever take any opinion of yours seriously again since it's clearly evident that you're unwilling to even read the articles you're criticising.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:08 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:i don't understand what i'm talking about and i've been rinsed again.

shortened that for you pal.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:14 pm

Look at all of your posts and mine regarding the Clinton vs Trump election topics and you will find it all there. You did exactly the same over Brexit and got that totally wrong too. You seem to just take an obsessive view on something then continually post about it making up all sorts of nonsense because you like to be provocative. Your lifelong hobby seems to be making fishing expeditions in the hope someone takes the bait because you just enjoy being argumentative and a wind up merchant.

Like everyone else I am now getting bored with your silliness so won't be responding to any more of your delirious and delusional rants. I think you will find you will be the only one posting on any threads you start in the future, the problem is you will probably start answering your posts yourself. You are clearly just an arrogant and stupid troll with an obvious mental issue.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:24 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:Look at all of your posts and mine regarding the Clinton vs Trump election topics and you will find it all there. You did exactly the same over Brexit and got that totally wrong too. You seem to just take an obsessive view on something then continually post about it making up all sorts of nonsense because you like to be provocative. Your lifelong hobby seems to be making fishing expeditions in the hope someone takes the bait because you just enjoy being argumentative and a wind up merchant.

Like everyone else I am now getting bored with your silliness so won't be responding to any more of your delirious and delusional rants. I think you will find you will be the only one posting on any threads you start in the future, the problem is you will probably start answering your posts yourself. You are clearly just an arrogant and stupid troll with an obvious mental issue.

No. You're the one making the ridiculous assertion about me so the burden is on you to provide ANY evidence of it. You said i was singing Clinton's praises, i would like you to provide evidence of that please. For someone who cries about "fake news" so much i'm sure you have no problem showing that you actually checked your facts before making an accusation, so please, present a quote or two.

Then once you've done that you can point to some quotes demonstrating how i got Brexit wrong.

Your lifelong hobby seems to be making fishing expeditions in the hope someone takes the bait because you just enjoy being argumentative and a wind up merchant.

More smears because you're incapable of forming a coherent argument that is supportable by facts. I do enjoy embarrassing the arguments of fools, you've got me on that.

Like everyone else I am now getting bored with your silliness so won't be responding to any more of your delirious and delusional rants. I think you will find you will be the only one posting on any threads you start in the future, the problem is you will probably start answering your posts yourself. You are clearly just an arrogant and stupid troll with an obvious mental issue.

Translation: "I've said a bunch of things about you that i know i can't support with evidence, so instead i'm just going to pretend you're a troll with a mental issue to avoid your inevitable requests that i back up any of the stupid **** i've just said,"

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:41 pm

He's talking to advisors about firing his Attorney General

He's really desperate for this investigation into him to be stopped. Don't any of his supporters stop to wonder why he's so obsessed with ending the investigation? LaLiga? Moffitt? Blue Labrador?

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:49 am

LaLiga thinks Obama was out of his depth, but here's Trump standing next to the Lebanese leader talking about how Lebanon is on the front line in the fight against Hezbollah.

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:33 pm

Another day another Trump lie confirmed.

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ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:

You're right about one thing, I hate Trump for being corrupt and a liar. You hate Obama because he's black and not right-wing enough. But holy **** the reast of this quote is a hilarious reversal of what is actually true. You're completely delusional.

The bait is set.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:44 pm

Trumpworld.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:17 am

Yes your right the bait is set.

Imploding Turd you are a disgrace to the human race. Your allegations about me hating Obama are racist and show just what a piece of s**t you truly are. Perhaps you would like to repeat these to my black wife you piece of cancerous pond slime. The board should ban you for making such inappropriate claims. If I ever met you for real I would shove your ******** down your throat.

You pour out braindead crap all the time. You are in complete denial, everyone on this message board and I mean everyone knows that you have poured out post after post on Trump, Clinton and Brexit and all of it complete crap. I repeat if I ever meet you in real life you will end up chewing your own ********. I'm not wasting any more time with your racist slurs and sub-human intelligence so f**k off you useless w***er.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:36 am

I'm not going to EVEN bother reading through 5 pages. I'm not bothered either way about the guy but he goes through staff quicker than I go through beers. Something doesn't add up. Well we know that. Any President who says he has the right to pardon, needs to understand WHAT PARDON MEANS! It means you're pardoning someone who is GUILTY. And I am not even anti Trump. The guy is a moron!

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:40 am

LaLigaClaret wrote:Yes your right the bait is set.

Imploding Turd you are a disgrace to the human race. Your allegations about me hating Obama are racist and show just what a piece of s**t you truly are. Perhaps you would like to repeat these to my black wife you piece of cancerous pond slime. The board should ban you for making such inappropriate claims. If I ever met you for real I would shove your ******** down your throat.

You pour out braindead crap all the time. You are in complete denial, everyone on this message board and I mean everyone knows that you have poured out post after post on Trump, Clinton and Brexit and all of it complete crap. I repeat if I ever meet you in real life you will end up chewing your own ********. I'm not wasting any more time with your racist slurs and sub-human intelligence so f**k off you useless w***er.

Is that you Donald?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:59 am

LaLigaClaret wrote:Yes your right the bait is set.

Imploding Turd you are a disgrace to the human race. Your allegations about me hating Obama are racist and show just what a piece of s**t you truly are. Perhaps you would like to repeat these to my black wife you piece of cancerous pond slime. The board should ban you for making such inappropriate claims. If I ever met you for real I would shove your ******** down your throat.

You pour out braindead crap all the time. You are in complete denial, everyone on this message board and I mean everyone knows that you have poured out post after post on Trump, Clinton and Brexit and all of it complete crap. I repeat if I ever meet you in real life you will end up chewing your own ********. I'm not wasting any more time with your racist slurs and sub-human intelligence so f**k off you useless w***er.

Soooo, you disagree?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:05 am

You've got to love the projection that comes from Trump fanbois like LittleLiga.

"I'm not racist, you're racist!"
"I'm not deluded, you're deluded!"
"I'm not violent, you're violent!"
"I'm not intolerant, you're intolerant!"
"I'm not making unsupportable allegations, you're making unsupported allegations!"
"I'm nto a fascist, you're a fascist!"
"Trump's not colluding with Russia, Clinton's colluding with Russia!"
"Trump's not a rapist, Bill Clinton's a rapist!"
"Trump's not a part of a paedophile ring, Clinton's running a paedophile ring!"
"Trump doesn't lie, the media lies!"

...and so on, and so on.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:16 am

ExistentialWanderer wrote:I'm not going to EVEN bother reading through 5 pages. I'm not bothered either way about the guy but he goes through staff quicker than I go through beers. Something doesn't add up. Well we know that. Any President who says he has the right to pardon, needs to understand WHAT PARDON MEANS! It means you're pardoning someone who is GUILTY. And I am not even anti Trump. The guy is a moron!

It's actually the acceptance of a pardon that is an admission of guilt. Trump can issue pardons to almost anyone for any federal crime, but that person has to accept the pardon for it to have any effect. And it's established in law (Burdick vs. United States) that the acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt for the crime you're pardoned.

It's also quite possible that Trump has already issued pardons that have been accepted. They don't necessarily need to be made public until something happens to necessitate their public disclosure; such as an indictment for a relevent crime. So Trump might have already pardoned his son-in-law (for example) for a ton of crimes but no one will know about it until someone tries to prosecute him for one of them. However I think there's a FOIA request in the works to get any pardons issued made public.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:20 am

Spijed wrote:You really think students voted in record numbers simply because of that? Don't you think 'Momentum' had a huge influence how students voted.

Regardless of whether student debts will be written off, there is no way they will be voting for the Conservatives anytime soon. The Tories know they have a serious problem as a result. I'd be willing to bet that if Teresa May had said we'll wipe out your debts but Labour hadn't at the last election the result would have been pretty much the same.

The Conservative party is simply too much of a toxic brand at the moment for the younger generation, and false promises or not by the Labour party won't make a blind bit of difference to the way they currently vote.

The students will eventually vote conservative. The ones that make their courses work. when they want to buy a house and think about their own children's future there's no way they will still be daft enough to want to support Labour's ideals

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:26 am

Damo wrote:The students will eventually vote conservative. The ones that make their courses work. when they want to buy a house and think about their own children's future there's no way they will still be daft enough to want to support Labour's ideals

I don't think you're thinking about how conservatives are made correctly. People don't change their principles, i think conservatives are created because liberals in the early 20s hold on to the same principles than in future are conservative principles relative to the year. I think that society is what changes, social progress is made, but their principles haven't moved.
For example, more old people than young people oppose gay marridge because they opposed it in their 20s, not because they supported it and changed their views as they got older, it was society that moved in that direction.

So yes, maybe today's liberals or lefties will become Tory voters in future, but only if society moves to the left enough to make their current views the right-wing views of 20, 30, or 40 years from now.

Edit: Corbyn's a pretty good example of what i'm trying to say, but in the opposite direction. Economically we've become more right-wing, but his views in the 70s were mainstream, perhaps center-left. But while his views haven't changed from what was mainstream centre-left back then is now called solidly left-wing, and even "far-left" by some wierdos.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:21 am

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:48 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think you're thinking about how conservatives are made correctly. People don't change their principles, i think conservatives are created because liberals in the early 20s hold on to the same principles than in future are conservative principles relative to the year. I think that society is what changes, social progress is made, but their principles haven't moved.
For example, more old people than young people oppose gay marridge because they opposed it in their 20s, not because they supported it and changed their views as they got older, it was society that moved in that direction.

So yes, maybe today's liberals or lefties will become Tory voters in future, but only if society moves to the left enough to make their current views the right-wing views of 20, 30, or 40 years from now.

Edit: Corbyn's a pretty good example of what i'm trying to say, but in the opposite direction. Economically we've become more right-wing, but his views in the 70s were mainstream, perhaps center-left. But while his views haven't changed from what was mainstream centre-left back then is now called solidly left-wing, and even "far-left" by some wierdos.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say there until you talk about Corbyn.

His views in the 80's were certainly not centre left, he was part of the 'looney left' which was very much a London thing to begin with; Socialist Republic of Islington and all that; opposing everything the police did; supporting the IRA; opposing the Falklands campaign; hero worshipping Scargill etc etc
In some eyes that will all be OK but for the majority it was the looney left. Unless of course you think Kinnock and Callaghan were far right.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:17 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's actually the acceptance of a pardon that is an admission of guilt. Trump can issue pardons to almost anyone for any federal crime, but that person has to accept the pardon for it to have any effect. And it's established in law (Burdick vs. United States) that the acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt for the crime you're pardoned.

It's also quite possible that Trump has already issued pardons that have been accepted. They don't necessarily need to be made public until something happens to necessitate their public disclosure; such as an indictment for a relevent crime. So Trump might have already pardoned his son-in-law (for example) for a ton of crimes but no one will know about it until someone tries to prosecute him for one of them. However I think there's a FOIA request in the works to get any pardons issued made public.

You get my point though.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:44 am

BennyD wrote:In that case, if these idiots are our future, were f*cked

Oh, the irony.

BennyD wrote:Why don't they look back to the 70s and see what Labour and their acolytes did to this country?

Why don't they look back over the last decade and see what the Conservatives and their wise, old supporters did, and are still doing, to this country?

I almost missed those gems amongst poor La Liga's meltdown.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:04 am

Benny, you are a sound lad on here but come off it, the old this time around have f**ked the young.

I don't think the young are going to forget that in a hurry.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:19 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:

What about the 'Q's, I thought they'd thrown a 'Q' in there recently, I've no idea what it means, but please think about the 'Q's, don't ignore their plight

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:25 am

Trump doesn't seem to realise the possible advantages of having a 'T' in the military. A platoon of 'T's could be used to seduce an enemy army and when the enemy have their trousers down and all the blood has rushed from their heads to other parts, the 'T's could then put on a butch voice and overpower them because blokes are a lot stronger than chicks and the enemy won't be expecting it because they'll be caught with their trousers down.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:49 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Oh, the irony.

Why don't they look back over the last decade and see what the Conservatives and their wise, old supporters did, and are still doing, to this country?

I almost missed those gems amongst poor La Liga's meltdown.

The Tories have always got the rough end of the stick from people like you, because you obviously don't realise they spend most of their time in power trying to sort out the cr4p left by successive Labour governments. The good old socialist tax and overspend has never worked and will never work, and the sooner you accept that the better. Why not work a little harder, get more money and enjoy it rather than encourage left wing idiots to rip it out of the pockets of people who earn more than you. Socialism, the politics of envy.