Gray to Watford story

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:57 am

ClaretTony wrote:When will people realise that our recruitment team identify and scout players - they don't make signings.

I really don't get it. Our club is in its best position in years yet some posters just can't wait to criticise at every turn.

What selling to a relegation rival , best position in years re money in bank , sold our best players with no replacements , still the sycophants manage to put a positive slat on it .

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:58 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Do you honestly, honestly think that an established Premier League club, with owners who are professional football club owners who have led clubs to the latter stages of UEFA competitions, who have an ownership model of purchasing players, improving them, shifting them between their clubs and then selling at a profit, would sign a player in the same division as them based on a bloody video?

its been done many times before. This is a club who have a record of making mistakes.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:58 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:To be fair every new player that comes in should be the highest paid in the clubs history or were not progressing. Our wages are peanuts for the premier league.

Completely disagree with that. Sounds like the sort of strategy that has proven can destroy clubs.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:58 am

Looks like we're not gonna find out what Andres second touch was like.......

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:59 am

Its always an interesting few weeks on here in August.

The amount of flapping that goes on makes me surprised that the town doesn't lift up into the sky.
Plus the names that will be thrown at the club will be ridiculous.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:59 am

Reecey1987 wrote:Id rather have there signings than ours tbh if you look at it that way . We have done well so far but they have signed better players than us

I'd take Cork over Chalobah, Hughes or Cleverly.
Other signings are a much of a muchness, like ours.

Grey to Watford damages us, improves them.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:59 am

MACCA wrote:This could be a master stroke at the club, Agyei could slot straight in if needed, but still have 3 strikers to fill 2 spots with 10m in the bank.
It's nice for us to be forward thinking.

Stop finding fault with everything the club does!

How many goal has Agyei scored at premier league level or championship level for that matter ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:59 am

joey13 wrote:What selling to a relegation rival , best position in years re money in bank , sold our best players with no replacements , still the sycophants manage to put a positive slat on it .

Better than having a complete meltdown...

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:00 am

Oh well what's done is done.. nice bit of dry powder.. that's it

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:00 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:To be fair every new player that comes in should be the highest paid in the clubs history or were not progressing. Our wages are peanuts for the premier league.

I know where you are coming from but they are still realistic for someone kicking a pigs bladder about. Am I allowed to say that nowadays without offending at least 30 different ethnic/cultural groups?

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:00 am

joey13 wrote:How many goal has Agyei scored at premier league level or championship level for that matter ?

He's clearly taking the ****.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:00 am

joey13 wrote:What selling to a relegation rival , best position in years re money in bank , sold our best players with no replacements , still the sycophants manage to put a positive slat on it .

Can you explain your use of the word 'sycophant' in this context because it seems pretty meaningless?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:01 am

taio wrote:Can you explain your use of the word 'sycophant' in this context because it seems pretty meaningless?

No , work it out yourself

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:02 am

joey13 wrote:How many goal has Agyei scored at premier league level or championship level for that matter ?

Probably as many as hundreds of other players with the same number of appearances!

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:02 am

Nobody is "finding fault with everything the club does" what a silly remark.

Posters are questioning the wisdom of the club selling a top quality defender and a highly rated striker both proven at PL level, and leaving the spine of the team a lot weaker, without first having bought in adequate replacements with kick off a couple of days away.

Legitimate concerns for fans to express on a message board.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:02 am

Don't think we'll be replacing him like for like. We will utilise Dan Agyei in his role instead. Our options for the forward line are now more flexible with what we have.

By all accounts, Agyei is faster, stronger and better all round in training tests - albeit without the experience. I have a good feeling about Agyei coming good, and his middle name is Ebenezer too (he's a good he's a good he's Ebenezer Good...!

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CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:03 am

If we get Deeney in exchanged it will take a while to get fit he is recovering from a groin operation

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:03 am

JohnMac wrote:Probably as many as hundreds of other players with the same number of appearances!

He's supposedly replacing Gray

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:03 am

joey13 wrote:What selling to a relegation rival , best position in years re money in bank , sold our best players with no replacements , still the sycophants manage to put a positive slat on it .

Whjat's a sycophant? Someone who looks at where the club is now and thinks "the people in charge are doing a good job"? If so, what's a non-sycophant - someone who looks at where the club is now and thinks "the people in charge are doing a bad job"?

They have earned my trust - if I don't agree with every decision, I still trust them. I'm amazed how many people do not.

These arguments all went round in the same way when we sold Shackell to a promotion rival. How did that turn out?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:03 am

joey13 wrote:How many goal has Agyei scored at premier league level or championship level for that matter ?

The board have the club's best interest at heart, they wouldn't purposely weaken us or set us up to fail.

The board have shown throughout their tenure they are forward thinking, as one door closes another opens.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:04 am

joey13 wrote:No , work it out yourself

I can't because I'm thinking you've latched onto a word that you think sounds impressive but you don't actually know what it means to use it appropriately.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 am

MACCA wrote:The board have the club's best interest at heart, they wouldn't purposely weaken us or set us up to fail.

The board have shown throughout their tenure they are forward thinking, as one door closes another opens.

You haven't answered the question

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 am

taio wrote:Can you explain your use of the word 'sycophant' in this context because it seems pretty meaningless?

BFC could announce a move to Timbuktu and there'd be people on here defending the club for doing it.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 am

taio wrote:I can't because I'm thinking you've latched onto a word that you think sounds impressive but you don't actually know what it means to use it appropriately.

Yes ok then , you know best .

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 am

taio wrote:Completely disagree with that. Sounds like the sort of strategy that has proven can destroy clubs.

The top earner is reported to be on 35k a week at Burnley or was last season. The average first team footballer in the premier league will be around 80k a week. Even Sunderlands 83m wage bill will work out at around 60k each.

It might be a risk but I bet more people have survived taking this route than just bringing expensive championship players in.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:06 am

kentonclaret wrote:Nobody is "finding fault with everything the club does" what a silly remark.

Posters are questioning the wisdom of the club selling a top quality defender and a highly rated striker both proven at PL level, and leaving the spine of the team a lot weaker, without first having bought in adequate replacements with kick off a couple of days away.

Legitimate concerns for fans to express on a message board.

There is always the possibility the player has forced the move, us as mear fans dunno what goes on behind closed doors.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:06 am

joey13 wrote:He's supposedly replacing Gray

Really?

And where has that gem sprung from?

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:07 am

Some criticisms of the club have been ridiculous and quite frankly bullsh*t.
Criticising the club for their handling of this transfer is justified, given the timing and money involved. All well and good being a happy clapper but having a go at people for criticising the club when the criticism is justified is daft.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:08 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:BFC could announce a move to Timbuktu and there'd be people on here defending the club for doing it.

Is that a Indian restaurant or Chinese, be a struggle to fit in there.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:08 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:BFC could announce a move to Timbuktu and there'd be people on here defending the club for doing it.

That wouldn't be sycophantic either.

Chuckypad · Post by **Chuckypad** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:09 am

taio wrote:That wouldn't be sycophantic either.

Let it go, taio

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:09 am

dsr

Or when we failed to strengthen the midfield in the January window a few seasons back only for a key member of the Burnley midfield to suffer a season ending injury once the window had slammed shut.

How did that turn out?

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:10 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:The top earner is reported to be on 35k a week at Burnley or was last season. The average first team footballer in the premier league will be around 80k a week. Even Sunderlands 83m wage bill will work out at around 60k each.

It might be a risk but I bet more people have survived taking this route than just bringing expensive championship players in.

I'm not disputing at all that we pay less than other PL clubs. That's obvious to everyone. What I'm disputing is that any new signing should become the highest earner. Because that would be madness.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:10 am

Jay Rod, Austin, Ings and now Gray have left. In that time, we've improved pretty much every season.

I'll start crying when we actually start getting worse.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:11 am

Herts Clarets wrote:Because no team who would expect to finish higher than bottom 6 would be interested in Gray. That's his level.

Then we keep him.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:11 am

taio wrote:That wouldn't be sycophantic either.

How about people defending the club at all costs so they keep lines of information they depend upon to run a website?

That's sycophantic.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:11 am

Not unhappy to see him go ....suspect he's a thoroughly bad egg, and that Dyche has got more out of him than others will.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:13 am

Bad eggs make bad omelettes.

Obviously the Dyche school of thought.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:15 am

JohnMac wrote:Really?

And where has that gem sprung from?

Try reading the thread or at least my reply to the statement made .

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:15 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:How about people defending the club at all costs so they keep lines of information they depend upon to run a website?

That's sycophantic.

Yes that would be sycophantic. Only thing is I believe it would be completely untrue.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:15 am

18m for him or nothing next year.No brainier to me.Bye bye.We can get better.He has only now become a world beater to some since we heard he is going.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:16 am

kentonclaret wrote:dsr

Or when we failed to strengthen the midfield in the January window a few seasons back only for a key member of the Burnley midfield to suffer a season ending injury once the window had slammed shut.

How did that turn out?

I'm not saying the Board of Directors has made no mistakes at all in the last 30 years, or 12 years, or 5 years, or whatever time period you like. I'm not saying Dyche has made no mistakes in the time he has been here. What I am saying is that taking everything into account, the Board and Sean Dyche have done vastly better than I eould have imagined and I trust them to carry on doing so.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:17 am

Guess we need to see how this plays out. Obviously this is a good deal for us if, and only if, we sign a new first team striker. I'll hold off any criticism until the answer to that becomes apparent.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:18 am

FactualFrank wrote:Then we keep him.

Then we have a fast depreciating asset, whos value to the club goes from £18m to £0 in the space of 10 months. He clearly wants away and as ever, the power is with the player. Think Shackell a couple of years ago, think Keane 2 months ago. It is not worth having one unhappy player rocking the boat.

As I have said elsewhere and I seem to say the same thing every season, I am not filled with confidence that we will recruit a suitable replacement. Every season we drift through August with a couple of names being our reported targets. There are derisory offers made, rejections from their clubs and a message that the player is not for sale. It then becomes panic stations before we the window closes and we announce that we are 'happy with the group of players we have'. It is my concern with Keane leaving and my concern with Gray reportedly leaving.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:18 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:The top earner is reported to be on 35k a week at Burnley or was last season. The average first team footballer in the premier league will be around 80k a week. Even Sunderlands 83m wage bill will work out at around 60k each.

It might be a risk but I bet more people have survived taking this route than just bringing expensive championship players in.

Sunderland?
Boro?
Leeds?
Portsmouth?
Wolves?
Wovers?
Notlob?
even Newcastle

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:18 am

taio wrote:Yes that would be sycophantic. Only thing is I believe it would be completely untrue.

How about if someone defends the club at all costs to create and maintain a feeling of superiority over a fellow message board user?

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am

This time next year Andre Gray will be playing in the Championship with Watford.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am

Nobody on this message board suggests that he is a world beater and if he was we would be eclipsing the fee paid for Neymar.

Compared to what we have left on the books he just looks like a world beater.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am

Jimscho wrote:18m for him or nothing next year.No brainier to me.Bye bye.We can get better.He has only now become a world beater to some since we heard he is going.

He is no World beater but he's better than what we have. Nobody else in the squad has his power or pace. Slowest front two in the PL with Vokes and Barnes.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am

Big defender of the club generally but he shouldn't really be going until we have a replacement over the line.

Lets hope we have, as we are clearly not short of cash or space in the wage budget.