Magic Numbers 2017/2018

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:13 pm

I hate the weekend after Internationals. Usually some strange results.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:54 am

Vince Fontaine wrote:With regard to 7th place I guess the next round of fixtures is probably the biggest weekend we have left before the season finishes. With the following fixtures
Brighton v Leicester
Watford v Bournemouth
Everton v Man City
Palace v Liverpool
Man Utd v Swansea
Arsenal v Stoke

And of course...West Ham v Southampton

Lots of points to be knocked off should the results go for us... UTC

It's easy to forget sometimes, that the best way for points to be knocked off, is for us to win at West Brom, then all the other 19 Clubs have three points deducted.....

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:10 am

piston broke wrote:I hate the weekend after Internationals. Usually some strange results.

Us winning at West Brom would be a strange result historically!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:46 pm

Palace down to 3.
Saints down to 4.

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:54 pm

After the Saturday matches here is how we stand.

Leicester.........(31)....-3.......19
Everton...........(32)....-6.......13.. Currently getting beat 2-0 by man city
Bournemouth ...(32)....-5.......10
Watford..........(32).....-5.......10
Newcastle........(31)....-3.......11
Brighton...........(31)....-6......10
West Ham.........(31)....-3.......9
Swansea...........(32)....-6.......7
Huddersfield .....(32)....-6.......4
Palace.............(32)....-6........3
Southampton.....(31)....-6........4
Stoke...............(31)....-3.......3
West brom ........(32)....-6......-7
Nearly safe.
Looking like a top 8/9 finish at worst
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Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:53 pm

Week 32 ish, as it stands after the Everton - Man City result.....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... /htmlview#

Happy days !!

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:02 pm

Stoke now down at 0, can only get to 45 points !!

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:22 am

As we have 2 teams on or below zero I'm going to shift my attention to further up the league. Everton Leicester and Arsenal looking at their remaining fixtures and what our chances are of finishing 6th 7th or 8th.

Everton (32).....13
Liverpool H
Swansea A
Newcastle H
Huddersfield A
Southampton H
West Ham A
With them playing Liverpool that should bring their magic number down to 10 meaning 3 wins and a draw for the clarets would secure 8th

Leicester (31).....19
Newcastle H
Burnley A
Southampton H
Palace A
West Ham H
Tottenham A
Arsenal H
The match against us looks to be the decider who'll finish 7th although 2 tough fixtures against Arsenal and Spurs look like the matches that they are least likely to win matches against Southampton palace and West Ham are by no means given as they are all fighting for survival at the bottom.

Arsenal (31).....27
Southampton H
Newcastle A
West Ham H
Man Utd A
Burnley H
Huddersfield A
Leicester A
With tough away matches at Leicester Man Utd and Newcastle could see their magic number drop to 18 which would mean 6 wins for the clarets 5 if we beat them at their place.

What a time to be a claret!!!
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Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:35 am

Looking at those fixtures I think Leicester will pick up 12 more points and us 9 more leaving us level !

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:20 am

I think Leicester will pip us to the post, attention should shift to Arsenal though who might drop points.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:26 am

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Looking at those fixtures I think Leicester will pick up 12 more points and us 9 more leaving us level !

If that is the case their GD is likely to be superior given they will get 3 more points from either an extra win of three draws.
All depends on the result when we play them I suppose.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:30 am

We aren't safe yet! It would take a pretty odd set of results, starting with Southampton, Crystal Palace and Swansea all beating Man City, but it could still be done!

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:08 pm

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Looking at those fixtures I think Leicester will pick up 12 more points and us 9 more leaving us level !

We have seven matches left
Watford A
Leicester H
Chelsea H
Stoke A
Brighton H
Arsenal A
Bournemouth H

A draw or win against Leicester and 3 more wins should see us in 7th.
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Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:41 pm

dsr wrote:We aren't safe yet! It would take a pretty odd set of results, starting with Southampton, Crystal Palace and Swansea all beating Man City, but it could still be done!

MORE sleepless nights!!! Just when I was starting to relax!!!!!

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Looking at those fixtures I think Leicester will pick up 12 more points and us 9 more leaving us level !

I see 12 points in our remaining games - including 3 v Leicester which should see us secure 7th.

Wins v Bournemouth, Stoke and Leicester; draws v Watford, Chelsea and Brighton

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:29 pm

Vince Fontaine wrote:We have seven matches left
Watford A
Leicester H
Chelsea H
Stoke A
Brighton H
Arsenal A
Bournemouth H

A draw or win against Leicester and 3 more wins should see us in 7th.
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All I see is a potential 21 points...

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:39 pm

Already guaranteed a worse case scenario 16th place finish, according to Magic Numbers..... Huddersfield, Palace and Stoke joined WBA in negative figures today with Southampton probably set to join them tomorrow....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... /htmlview#

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:52 am

Southampton probably set to join them tomorrow....

I do hope not

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Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:05 am

With another week gone and with some teams having played 33/32 or 31 matches here how it stands
Leicester.......(32).....-6.........13
Everton.........(33)....-5...........8
Newcastle......(32.....-3...........8
Bournemouth..(33)....-5...........5
Watford.........(33)....-6..........4
Brighton........(32)....-5...........5
West Ham ......(31)....-3..........6
Swansea.........(32)....-5..........2
Huddersfield....(33)....-5.........-1
Palace.............(33)....-5.........-2
Southampton....(31)....-3..........1
Stoke..............(33)...-6.........-6
West Brom.......(33)....-5........-12

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piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:28 am

Re: Leicester magic number 13. It's a shame they have Arsenal after their possible EL semifinal and us. I can see Leicester winning that one. Although it is still in our hands.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:10 pm

piston broke wrote:Re: Leicester magic number 13. It's a shame they have Arsenal after their possible EL semifinal and us. I can see Leicester winning that one. Although it is still in our hands.

But if we beat Leicester it drops to 7 or with a draw it drops to 10 with 5 games remaining. Sadly Leicester usually manage to spoil our party !!

GordonvaleClaret · Post by **GordonvaleClaret** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:41 am

Sadly Leicester usually manage to spoil our party !!

Not when I was a lad. We usually put 6 past them even though Banks was their keeper.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:47 am

Saturday is huge with regards to finishing 7th. Win the game and I can't see us getting caught. They have got recent history of spoiling the party as FCBurnley said, but this year must be our turn?!! Wood to net the winner please.

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:31 pm

With the weekend completed

Leicester.......(32).....-6.........13
Everton.........(33)....-5...........8
Newcastle......(32)....-3...........8
Bournemouth..(33)....-5...........5
Watford.........(33)....-6..........4
Brighton........(32)....-5...........5
West Ham ......(32)....-5..........4
Swansea.........(32)....-5..........2
Huddersfield....(33)....-5.........-1
Palace.............(33)....-5.........-2
Southampton....(32).....-6.........-2
Stoke..............(33)...-6.........-6
West Brom.......(33)....-5........-12

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Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:51 pm

Happy days....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... /htmlview#

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:43 pm

I am always struggling with this Magic Numbers malarky, so can someone just tell me - are we safe yet?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:53 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:I am always struggling with this Magic Numbers malarky, so can someone just tell me - are we safe yet?

Not g'teed for Europe just yet, though Arsenal dropping 3 points today gives Clarets a chance to finish 6th - so we don't need to worry about Soton and the FA Cup.

I assume that's what you mean by "are we safe?"

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PS: Technically Leicester, Everton and Newcastle can still finish above us. Everton play Newcastle on 23rd, so that's 3 points one of them can't get.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:00 pm

European qualification is in our own hands. If we beat Arsenal and equal their points total in the other 4 remaining games we will be 6th.

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:05 pm

I was just having a laugh - you know how most Burnley fans are always pessimistic (Remember "we won't win again all season"?)
I have got my sights set on Chelsea now, nevermind Arsenal.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:46 pm

FCBurnley wrote:European qualification is in our own hands. If we beat Arsenal and equal their points total in the other 4 remaining games we will be 6th.

If we do finish 6th there is a scenario where we wouldn’t qualify - if Arsenal win the Europa Cup and Southampton win the FA Cup. Then it would be top 4 + Arsenal for Champions League, and 5th place and Southampton for the Europa League making up our maximum contingent for European football.

No fat lady singing yet...

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:59 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:If we do finish 6th there is a scenario where we wouldn’t qualify - if Arsenal win the Europa Cup and Southampton win the FA Cup. Then it would be top 4 + Arsenal for Champions League, and 5th place and Southampton for the Europa League making up our maximum contingent for European football.

No fat lady singing yet...

That would make IT even happier

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:01 pm

any points we get over 40 should be allowed to be carried over to the following season

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:03 am

West Ham now joined 9 others in negative figures.....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... /htmlview#

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:27 am

After 33/34 matches we are garunteed a top 10 finish

Arsenal..........-6..........18
Leicester........-6............7
Everton..........-5...........3
Newcastle.......-3...........5
Bournemouth....-6..........-1
Watford..........-6..........-2
Brighton..........-6..........-1
West Ham........-5..........-1
Huddersfield....-3...........-4
Palace............-3...........-5
Swansea..........-5...........-3
Southampton....-6...........-8
Stoke.............-5...........-11
West Brom......-3...........-15

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Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:31 am

Vince Fontaine wrote:After 33/34 matches we are garunteed a top 10 finish

Arsenal..........-6..........18
Leicester........-6............7
Everton..........-5...........3
Newcastle.......-3...........5
Bournemouth....-6..........-1
Watford..........-6..........-2
Brighton..........-6..........-1
West Ham........-5..........-1
Huddersfield....-3...........-4
Palace............-3...........-5
Swansea..........-5...........-3
Southampton....-6...........-8
Stoke.............-5...........-11
West Brom......-3...........-15

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You missed Chelsea off the list!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:40 am

Champions League is still a possibility ...

Grimsdale · Post by **Grimsdale** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:48 am

On a slightly different note, I've just noticed that after 33 games, we have more points now than at the same stage in our first two Premier League seasons combined (24 in 2009/10, 26 in 2014/15).

Still can't get over what a season this has been!

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:12 pm

Going into our last 3 matches
Arsenal..........-1.....17
Leicester........-3......4
Everton..........-1.....2
Newcastle.......-4.....1

A win tomorrow should see us secure 7th. Hopefully we can snatch 6th and get into the Europa group stages. ( did I really just type that!!!)
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piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:52 pm

Gooners have to visit Leicester on May 9th.

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:03 pm

piston broke wrote:Gooners have to visit Leicester on May 9th.

Leicester win please
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Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:42 pm

After another weekend

Arsenal.........-4.......13
Everton.........-1.......1

Just 2 teams to look at now!!

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Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:12 pm

If we win our two and Arsenal lose their three then happy times.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:21 pm

If we beat Arsenal and Bournemouth, Arsenal will need at least one point from Leicester and Udders away.
It is possible, we can do this. We'll know next Sunday.
A demoralising defeat in Madrid might help our cause as could the pomp and ceremony surrounding Wenger's departure.
Fingers crossed.

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:23 pm

To read this thread from the beginning is truly uplifting and puts into perspective the amazing season we have had. What a time to be a claret!!
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evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:29 pm

Dead right, Vince. Thanks for your efforts. It felt really strange having achieved our primary target so relatively early this season and not having to worry about endless permutations in the last three or four games.
We have permutations even now, of course, but nobody's worrying !

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:33 pm

If we can get to the last game level on points with Arsenal it'll be a nice exciting finish.

They've not won away in 2018 in the league.

Vince Fontaine · Post by **Vince Fontaine** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:49 pm

Beat Arsenal
...-6....7
Arsenal lose to Leicester
...-3....4
We beat Bournemouth
...-3....1
Arsenal draw with Huddersfield
...-2....-1
Should we beat Arsenal and Bournemouth, Arsenal will need to win one of their remaining matches .
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evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:26 pm

Arsenal played 35, 57 points GD = 19.
BFC played 36, 54 points GD = 3.

When we beat Arsenal it will read
Arsenal played 36, 57 points GD = 19 - x
BFC played 37, 57 points GD = 19 + x

We beat Bournemouth, we're on 60 points, the Gooners will need one win from their games v Leicester and Udders. Two draws will only take them to 59 points.
Yay.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:03 pm

Arsenal haven't picked up a point away from home in 2018.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:02 am

Post number 250..... and the final Magic Numbers !!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... /htmlview#

Magic Indeed ....... UTC !!