10mill bid for Worrall

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:01 pm

piston broke wrote:I came on here to find out info on Worrall and find 40 posts of a handbags squabble over feck all.

Par for the course.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:01 pm

hopefully the 3 week break will be enough to fix tarkowski but he does seem to have carried a few niggles this season.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:02 pm

Spijed wrote:The fact that Anderson has gone back out on loan suggests any injury to Tarkowski is only minor.

...or that he was never considered good enough.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:03 pm

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quoonbeatz wrote:hopefully the 3 week break will be enough to fix tarkowski but he does seem to have carried a few niggles this season.

There's a 3 week break? When the hell is this? No one told me.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:04 pm

Rowls wrote:It's been a pleasure houseboy.

We'll see again when you re-join.

Who knows what division we'll be in once it's exciting enough for you again.

Well done mate, well done. I congratulate you on being able to copy and paste a quote and place it completely out of context. I give up on the argument, not the team, a team I have supported as long as I can remember (and that's quite a long time). I'm arguing the point because I love the club, and if that seems somewhat wrong to some on here I really don't care. If some people's ambition for the club is to simply keep acting like the pauper at a Victorian dinner party that's fine, I'll just keep annoying people by saying we should be looking to grasp more than just the crumbs left by others and being grateful. It's been nearly 50 years since I first set foot on the Turf (I was a fan before that but my dad never took me) and I 've seen the ups and downs and now I want the ups again, I want to stop 'being grateful' for being in the PL and start acting like a PL club. I know we haven't got the money of many and as such we have to spend wisely, I just don't think that spending money on defenders when defence has never been a problem is a good use of precious resources when we have a strike force that is virtually ineffective at this level.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:07 pm

logging in on my lunch at work, i dont have time to sift through all the squabbling.

Any update or not on this?

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:08 pm

No.

Just like you said lots of ridiculous squabbles

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:11 pm

jtv wrote:I suggest that YOU reread YOUR posts. Perhaps you will then see that I am correct on both counts.

Go on then ..... show me.

You know how to use the quote function.

Quote where :-

1. I said you were a myopic dullard.

2. I said I hoped one of our players gets injured.

You can’t. Because I didn’t.

Words matter. What actually was said, rather than what you think was said.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:14 pm

houseboy wrote:I'm arguing the point because I love the club, and if that seems somewhat wrong to some on here I really don't care. If some people's ambition for the club is to simply keep acting like the pauper at a Victorian dinner party that's fine ...

My ambition for the club is continue what the club has been doing for the last five+ years. Is that so very wrong?

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:17 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:logging in on my lunch at work, i dont have time to sift through all the squabbling.

Any update or not on this?

Was about to say the same thing - can all the old ladies take themselves and their handbags off this post please. Didn't you know it's transfer deadline day.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:33 pm

Goobs wrote:Who have you got in mind?
Do you know we aren't trying for anyone?
Will anybody do or do you just want to make the numbers up?
Should we just "pay whatever the selling team want" regardless of whether we would be getting ripped off, just to get someone in?

Not having a go at you necessarily just some of the strange posts we see on here every single deadline day (and usually a week - month prior).

1. Not up to fans to find players
2.We better bloody had be trying
3. What a pathetic comment.
4. Yes on this occasion as the risk has to be covered. Serves us right for taking too long to sort the most obvious weakness there has ever been in any squad since football was invented.

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:41 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:Was about to say the same thing - can all the old ladies take themselves and their handbags off this post please. Didn't you know it's transfer deadline day.

Hes due at gawthorpe for a medical at 5PM today.....................

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:43 pm

TVC15 wrote:I never said he did - i doubt very much whether LC wants someone like you as his spokesman.

£20m is what we are being quoted for Worrall....who seems like he is SD main centre back target. If the £20m is true how on earth can we predict that they want this kind of stupid money for a young lad with his kind of experience ?
We got quoted £15m from Sheff Wed for Tom Lees didn`t we ?

It sounds like he has cheaper plan B options - but it`s clearly not as easy as some people make out to buy people of the right quality in this crazy market

So why are you quoting his post banging on about spending £20M when LC mentioned Geoff Cameron? Makes no sense unless you think Cameron is worth £20M?

THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:57 pm

dsr wrote:My ambition for the club is continue what the club has been doing for the last five+ years. Is that so very wrong?

No mate there is nothing wrong with that and I respect your view, it's just got me a bit wound up when I see a problem on a week to week basis that needs addressing and the club seem unwilling to address it and many (most?) on here seem to support that because it seems that no-one wants to be the one to criticise the board or the manager. If someone could explain to me in detail why we should be throwing money at an as yet non-existent problem instead of a blindingly obvious and very real one I would be less vocal, but no-one has as yet done that. I'm going to ease off because I'm getting nowhere but if anyone wants to address the following to ease my pain (ha ha) please look at this and tell me where I am wrong:
We have a defence that is almost as good as it gets at this level, pretty much. It is admittedly a bit stretched through lack of cover but we are not yet in crisis with regard to injuries/suspensions. That day MAY arrive in a day, a week or not at all but at the moment we are okay.
We are desperately in need of someone of PL quality up front who can score goals on a reasonably regular basis as we are not only in the middle of a shocking goal drought but we haven't exactly broke any records all season.
We have limited resources as we all know so we can't go throwing money around like it's going out of fashion. That money needs to be well targeted.
The crux of the matter is do we spend those precious resources on a defender who after the return of injuries etc. may well be sat on the bench, bearing in mind we are apparently talking money in the region of 10m. Remember this is a player who, currently, we are not desperate for and whose use therefore may well be limited both now and in the future. Or do we spend that money (and maybe a little more) on a part of the team that, over the course of the season so far, has only got away with scoring so few because said defence is so good? Our strike force, and I'll leave Wood out for the time being as he hasn't been in the side long enough to make a real judgement, just isn't good enough at this level and but for the defence we would be in real trouble I think. They have got away with being poor due to the fact that we don't usually need many goals to win. When your leading scorer is on 5 over half way through the season it tells it's own story. Even Dyche can't make up his mind who he wants to play (although that would be Wood I suppose if fit). We should also bear in mind that if you score goals fairly regularly your defence doesn't need to be so watertight but if that defence does let one in where is the equaliser coming from if you can't score?

Answers on a postcard please to.....

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:So why are you quoting his post banging on about spending £20M when LC mentioned Geoff Cameron? Makes no sense unless you think Cameron is worth £20M?

THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING

You are a seriously weird f-ucker KRBFC. Are you feeling the need to follow up on every post I make now ?

The reason I quoted £20m because that`s what Forest are rumoured to be asking for the centre back we are bidding for. It was LC who mentioned that there was no financial reason why we should not be buying a centre back. The amount that Forest are asking for a young lad clearly shows that its not straight forward to buy players in this market.

He mentioned Geoff Cameron as an option if we don`t get our other targets.

If you can`t understand that my post was a general comment and how difficult it is to buy any player in this market then fair enough....as said I doubt whether LC wants a c-ock like you as his spokesman.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:07 pm

thelifeofbrian wrote:Hes due at gawthorpe for a medical at 5PM today.....................

Sauce? I thought we did all our medicals in Manchester?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:14 pm

houseboy wrote:No mate there is nothing wrong with that and I respect your view, it's just got me a bit wound up when I see a problem on a week to week basis that needs addressing and the club seem unwilling to address it and many (most?) on here seem to support that because it seems that no-one wants to be the one to criticise the board or the manager. If someone could explain to me in detail why we should be throwing money at an as yet non-existent problem instead of a blindingly obvious and very real one I would be less vocal, but no-one has as yet done that. I'm going to ease off because I'm getting nowhere but if anyone wants to address the following to ease my pain (ha ha) please look at this and tell me where I am wrong:
We have a defence that is almost as good as it gets at this level, pretty much. It is admittedly a bit stretched through lack of cover but we are not yet in crisis with regard to injuries/suspensions. That day MAY arrive in a day, a week or not at all but at the moment we are okay.
We are desperately in need of someone of PL quality up front who can score goals on a reasonably regular basis as we are not only in the middle of a shocking goal drought but we haven't exactly broke any records all season.
We have limited resources as we all know so we can't go throwing money around like it's going out of fashion. That money needs to be well targeted.
The crux of the matter is do we spend those precious resources on a defender who after the return of injuries etc. may well be sat on the bench, bearing in mind we are apparently talking money in the region of 10m. Remember this is a player who, currently, we are not desperate for and whose use therefore may well be limited both now and in the future. Or do we spend that money (and maybe a little more) on a part of the team that, over the course of the season so far, has only got away with scoring so few because said defence is so good? Our strike force, and I'll leave Wood out for the time being as he hasn't been in the side long enough to make a real judgement, just isn't good enough at this level and but for the defence we would be in real trouble I think. They have got away with being poor due to the fact that we don't usually need many goals to win. When your leading scorer is on 5 over half way through the season it tells it's own story. Even Dyche can't make up his mind who he wants to play (although that would be Wood I suppose if fit). We should also bear in mind that if you score goals fairly regularly your defence doesn't need to be so watertight but if that defence does let one in where is the equaliser coming from if you can't score?

Answers on a postcard please to.....

Not sure it will ease your pain houseboy but in short I am pretty sure that Dyche believed that Chris Wood was the answer.

Unfortunately he picked up an injury before the Spurs game and he should never have gone away with New Zealand to play the world cup qualifiers. He`s effectively not been fully fit since October in my view. Before that I think he was doing very well and was clearly Dyche`s no 1 striker. What would have been really interesting is to have seen a fully fit Wood in the same team as the JBG we have seen in the last 2 months as when Wood was fully fit I don`t think we were seeing the best of JBG who was also not getting picked every week.

Even more interesting is a fully fit Wood, a flying JBG and Lennon all in the same team with Defour and Cork playing well also.

With our injuries it`s not something we are probably going to see this season but SD`s dilemma is whether we need to buy for the short term or wait to see all of his "best players" play together. With our current relatively safe position in the league I think he will go for the latter and obviously try and strengthen in the centre back position where we are one short even when everyone is fit.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:18 pm

TVC15 wrote:You are a seriously weird f-ucker KRBFC. Are you feeling the need to follow up on every post I make now ?

The reason I quoted £20m because that`s what Forest are rumoured to be asking for the centre back we are bidding for. It was LC who mentioned that there was no financial reason why we should not be buying a centre back. The amount that Forest are asking for a young lad clearly shows that its not straight forward to buy players in this market.

He mentioned Geoff Cameron as an option if we don`t get our other targets.

If you can`t understand that my post was a general comment and how difficult it is to buy any player in this market then fair enough....as said I doubt whether LC wants a c-ock like you as his spokesman.

You're an angry old man, you need to relax a bit, let others have an opinion and stop squabbling like the petty weirdo you are. You can't even read properly, you take everything wildly out of context and waffle irrelevant nonsense in every response. Please avoid breeding at all costs, you should be put on an indefinite breeding ban.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:20 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:no but I have candles under the sink, does that count...?

Aye but what QUALITY of candle and did you pay top dollar?

Or are you skulking around Poundland and stashing your money...

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:21 pm

KRBFC wrote:You're an angry old man, you need to relax a bit, let others have an opinion and stop squabbling like the petty weirdo you are. You can't even read properly, you take everything wildly out of context and waffle irrelevant nonsense in every response. Please avoid breeding at all costs, you should be put on an indefinite breeding ban.

coming from you that`s priceless.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:24 pm

TVC15 wrote:coming from you that`s priceless.

I don't understand why you have to nit pick at every post from all different posters, so boring to see and read your waffle. Chill out nobody clicked on this topic to see you digging for an argument about irrelevant sh*t, LC mentioned Geoff Cameron and you started wittering about £20M like you were defending the club when it didn't need defending.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:25 pm

Nixon says deal is off after Forest said they want 20 million.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:39 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Nixon says deal is off after Forest said they want 20 million.

just read that myself on Twitter - I hope the lad doesn't end up regretting his stance on this... dare I mention Lansbury (again...)

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:40 pm

We will not be making further signings in this window.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:40 pm

crazy prices, he's worth 10 tops

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:41 pm

The forest fans gloating about him being future england player. Didnt they say same about Lascelles? Also whatever happened to Des Walkers son who was going to be future england captain

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:42 pm

£20 bloody million, feck sake want half their team for that.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:43 pm

Close thread and look ahead to the game. Transfer window is closed for us.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't understand why you have to nit pick at every post from all different posters, so boring to see and read your waffle. Chill out nobody clicked on this topic to see you digging for an argument about irrelevant sh*t, LC mentioned Geoff Cameron and you started wittering about £20M like you were defending the club when it didn't need defending.

As i said coming from you - priceless.

Nobody on this board posts anywhere near as much irrelevant and negative stuff on this Board as you.
Nobody on this board is despised as much as you.
Few people on this board even think you are a fan.

What I posted was my opinion on how difficult it is to buy players in this market - you think thats irrelevant - that`s fine. I think it`s completely relevant on a thread where many people are critical of the club for not buying a centre back.

I`m not blindly defending the club - I`ve already said that I think they should have bought a 4th centre back. I`m simply pointing out its not that easy.

All you are doing now is trying to be a c-unt with me....eh that`s fine....you do it so well.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:46 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:The forest fans gloating about him being future england player. Didnt they say same about Lascelles? Also whatever happened to Des Walkers son who was going to be future england captain

And don't forget Michael Mancienne. Another future great who's found his level.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:46 pm

£20M - we could get Keano back for that

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:47 pm

£20 million, robbing gets. We do need a CB but Forest can do one.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:01 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:£20M - we could get Keano back for that

Fee wise, quite probably, wages? not so sure. Is there an argument to try for a 18 month loan deal with a decent loan fee and say 60% of wages?

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:04 pm

Seem to think this all happened a few years back with Dawson.

SD pulled a rabbit out of the hat by signing Keano on loan at the last minute.

Maybe he has a loan target in reserve

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:04 pm

TVC15 wrote:Not sure it will ease your pain houseboy but in short I am pretty sure that Dyche believed that Chris Wood was the answer.

Unfortunately he picked up an injury before the Spurs game and he should never have gone away with New Zealand to play the world cup qualifiers. He`s effectively not been fully fit since October in my view. Before that I think he was doing very well and was clearly Dyche`s no 1 striker. What would have been really interesting is to have seen a fully fit Wood in the same team as the JBG we have seen in the last 2 months as when Wood was fully fit I don`t think we were seeing the best of JBG who was also not getting picked every week.

Even more interesting is a fully fit Wood, a flying JBG and Lennon all in the same team with Defour and Cork playing well also.

With our injuries it`s not something we are probably going to see this season but SD`s dilemma is whether we need to buy for the short term or wait to see all of his "best players" play together. With our current relatively safe position in the league I think he will go for the latter and obviously try and strengthen in the centre back position where we are one short even when everyone is fit.

I can agree with most of that and of course it is a shame that Wood has been injured because he was looking decent. You are right about how it would be good to see him being supplied by the now brilliant JBG and the potential of Lennon, who was at one time my favourite English winger, at his best he was awesome. Don't know much about GKN to be honest but he seems a good acquisition. I know I keep going on and apologies for that, even my wife is sick of hearing it, but I seem to be in the minority of one when it comes to our woeful scoring record.
One other thing worth mentioning, we are considering this move for Worrall but is 10m for a defender in a team at the wrong end of the Championship really a good deal? I know we've had players from bad teams before, notably Heaton and Guddmondsson, and they have worked out fine, but it is a chunk of money don't you think.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:17 pm

houseboy wrote:I can agree with most of that and of course it is a shame that Wood has been injured because he was looking decent. You are right about how it would be good to see him being supplied by the now brilliant JBG and the potential of Lennon, who was at one time my favourite English winger, at his best he was awesome. Don't know much about GKN to be honest but he seems a good acquisition. I know I keep going on and apologies for that, even my wife is sick of hearing it, but I seem to be in the minority of one when it comes to our woeful scoring record.
One other thing worth mentioning, we are considering this move for Worrall but is 10m for a defender in a team at the wrong end of the Championship really a good deal? I know we've had players from bad teams before, notably Heaton and Guddmondsson, and they have worked out fine, but it is a chunk of money don't you think.

They are now saying £20m for Worall which is the point I am making that the market has gone crazy - but it is what it is and is just a reflection of the ever increasing (probably unsustainable) TV deals which get bigger and bigger.

To be fair Worall is also an England under 21 and Forest have had a very funny season - they beat Arsenal in the cup and then one of the few teams to beat Wolves (away) keeping a clean sheet only a few days ago.....and then get stuffed by Preston last night.

I have not seen the lad play so can`t say whether it`s a good deal. £10m now is probably the equivalent of £5m two years ago....so not actually that much more than Tarks and Keane and at that price I`m happy to trust the manager that he is buying for the future given his track record in developing defenders. £20m, however, is a different ball game for like you say a young player who has had no top flight experience.

As said there are some very expensive centre back flops in this division....Sahko £30m (paid for 2 times by Palace and Liverpool) and always injured. Mangala - £30m plus ; Lindeloff - £40m....only plays Carabao cup games ; and many more you could list.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:37 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:£20M - we could get Keano back for that

and that's exactly what I would do, loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:42 pm

Forest tweeters are nigh on Leeds level deluded

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:and that's exactly what I would do, loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent

And where would you play him?

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:53 pm

Down_Rover wrote:Seem to think this all happened a few years back with Dawson.

SD pulled a rabbit out of the hat by signing Keano on loan at the last minute.

Maybe he has a loan target in reserve

Holding from Arsenal ?

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:58 pm

piston broke wrote:And where would you play him?

And why would Everton loan him out?

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:58 pm

mkmel wrote:Holding from Arsenal ?

Hopefully. They certainly owe us something given the nature of their last 3 victories over us...

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:02 pm

mkmel wrote:And why would Everton loan him out?

The rumour, yesterday, was BFS saying his squad was too big and he's signing Mangala.
2+2 making 5 some posters think BFS doesn't rate him or is concerned by his foot injury?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:02 pm

Down_Rover wrote:Seem to think this all happened a few years back with Dawson.

It has happened on a number of occasions that transfer targets have taken more than a single transfer window in order for us to land them.

Charlie Taylor, Aaron Lennon, Robbie Brady and Ashley Westwood were all "linked" with us in the window before we actually signed them.

By playing the long game we let a player know that we are clearly interested in them. Players want to be wanted. That's a natural response for a professional footballer and it helps convince them we're serious about signing them.

Another advantage is that their value is normally lower in any following transfer window. Not because of any change in their talent but because there is less time left on their contract. So it isn't a a one-way street when it comes to the risk of not getting a signing over the line: Clubs who want to play 'hardball' are also at risk of losing out on potential transfer fees.

Of course, if we had the resources of Man City or Chelsea we could much more easily go in with large bids to start with and not have to risk being gazumped. However, until we are in that position financially this tactic has served us well, as several of our signings have proven.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:03 pm

thelifeofbrian wrote:Hes due at gawthorpe for a medical at 5PM today.....................

Why post bullshit like this?

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:08 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:The forest fans gloating about him being future england player. Didnt they say same about Lascelles? Also whatever happened to Des Walkers son who was going to be future england captain

15th in 2nd Division and 3 defeats already for their new manager. Once he starts mumbling and sulking I suspect Worrall may have a change of heart as to where his future lies and not necessarily with us.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:10 pm

mkmel wrote:Why post bullshit like this?

Maybe he didn’t get enough attention as a child.

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:24 pm

dibraidio wrote:Sauce? I thought we did all our medicals in Manchester?

HP

only kidding- im the sauce and thats all you need to know- undisclosed fee deal will be announced at 7pm..........

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:25 pm

mkmel wrote:Why post bullshit like this?

lets continue this conversation tomorrow after hes signed

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:25 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Maybe he didn’t get enough attention as a child.

I got to much attention as a child........... hence im seeking counselling